~3/31: Opening Day Open Pregame Thread
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shaved head, scruffy beard
Gil Meche is now Erik Bedard!
by MFAN on Mar 30, 2008 10:18 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
That's what the Mariners kept hoping for
>:(
by Jeff on Mar 30, 2008 10:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was literally typing something very similar to that
Good thing I already have a beer opened...
HA HA HA, your Grandpa's an ASS!- Tourette's Guy (R.I.P)
by tootthekazoo on Mar 30, 2008 10:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jeff looking like Meche jokes will never get old.
Yesterday's Pants
A blog-thingy about the Mariners and stuff.
by BrettJMiller on Mar 31, 2008 2:04 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Guess I'm the only one
Who sees Josh Brown there...
by qrsouther on Mar 31, 2008 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Best. Username. EVER.
I reject your reality and substitute my own!
by Phildopip on Mar 31, 2008 12:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY
BASEBALL! Finally. I'm totally wearing my jersey to work tomorrow, rules be damned
HA HA HA, your Grandpa's an ASS!- Tourette's Guy (R.I.P)
by tootthekazoo on Mar 30, 2008 10:23 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Cheers
to you
to the Mariners
to the new season
and to all baseball fans who no longer have to wait until baseball season and sit through that torturous span of time between October (when the Ms are always unceremoniously kept out of the World Series) until the end of March!
Slight note: certain exceptions are made for the Sundays the Seahawks play and for the occasional hockey night in Canada broadcast.
~Inter Arma Enim Silent Leges~
by Enrique on Mar 30, 2008 10:23 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Huh.
I can't believe how excited I am. Especially after spending my first offseason with you guys and becoming terribly depressed.
...and now I'm here
by Librocrat on Mar 30, 2008 10:27 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
You know what this picture would be perfect for?
A casual m4m posting on sandiego.craigslist.org.
by Jordan of Boise on Mar 30, 2008 10:28 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
You know I have your IP and email right
by Jeff on Mar 30, 2008 10:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep
Because if anything screams "gay casual encounter," it's a dude in San Diego holding a bear and wearing a Mariners jersey.
...and now I'm here
by Librocrat on Mar 30, 2008 10:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Depends on what part of the bear he's holding.
by Jordan of Boise on Mar 30, 2008 10:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The top of the head
I palm bears with my massive hands. It's a hobby.
by Jeff on Mar 30, 2008 10:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's not fair that you're tall. >:(
Curse you, Detroit Lions!
by Coach Owens on Mar 30, 2008 10:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
How many beers in are you?
30? 40? No matter how much you try not to look like Gil "The Fish" Meche, it doesn't work Jeff. I'm sorry.
Curse you, Detroit Lions!
by Coach Owens on Mar 30, 2008 10:32 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
30-40?
I'm not made of (A) money or (B) livers.
by Jeff on Mar 30, 2008 10:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ah to be made of livers
BTW, if you define "bears" in terms of the gay subculture... that above part becomes even funnier.
by johnbai on Mar 30, 2008 10:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Best comment ever.
Yesterday's Pants
A blog-thingy about the Mariners and stuff.
by BrettJMiller on Mar 31, 2008 2:06 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sometimes I'm surprised you go to Roosevelt.
You know, when I was there we were featured on NPR as one of the most alcoholic schools in the country.
...and now I'm here
by Librocrat on Mar 30, 2008 10:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I honestly don't think Jeff looks like Meche anymore
I seriously think it's more Bedard now. I'm assuming Jeff will look like Silva in 2009.
by MFAN on Mar 30, 2008 10:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
God rest my soul if I'm ever that greasy
by Jeff on Mar 30, 2008 10:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ew. Maybe Washburn?
Oh, no, Wait. Vidro!
Curse you, Detroit Lions!
by Coach Owens on Mar 30, 2008 10:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You like yous some dead people.
Curse you, Detroit Lions!
by Coach Owens on Mar 30, 2008 10:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
...What?
Curse you, Detroit Lions!
by Coach Owens on Mar 30, 2008 10:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It means he can fuck them without them telling him not to.
Get it? He puts his penis in dead people.
Yesterday's Pants
A blog-thingy about the Mariners and stuff.
by BrettJMiller on Mar 31, 2008 2:07 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Still can't find myself
getting excited about the start of the season... I'll still watch the games, but its defintely not the same excitement as in years part... more of a yay baseball, ho hum Mariners feel to it.
Midnight Baseball - No Lights - Only in Alaska!
by MfaninAlaska on Mar 30, 2008 10:42 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
your the one to Red's zero*
This is what happens when you take away mandatory preview.
by Robert on Mar 31, 2008 7:25 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
something something
clap clap clapclapclap!
This is totally worth some sort of ambiguous chant.
King Felix rookie #59 Jersey will be worn to class tomorrow.
Sad to say I will miss the game thread :(
by PShwa on Mar 30, 2008 10:44 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm rocking the authentic Felix 34
thank you eBay.
by Jeff on Mar 30, 2008 10:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll be Griffeying at the game.
Also thanks to the eBay.
...and now I'm here
by Librocrat on Mar 30, 2008 10:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
My KF59 and RS44(sigh)
are both thanks to eBay.
and are both Alt. Jerseys
by PShwa on Mar 30, 2008 10:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Alternate.
a.k.a. 
ironically a picture of him wearing number 59
by PShwa on Mar 30, 2008 11:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
To follow up with my "Ah"
I like the alt jerseys more.
...and now I'm here
by Librocrat on Mar 30, 2008 11:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No Meche jersey?
Curse you, Detroit Lions!
by Coach Owens on Mar 30, 2008 10:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're sad that Jeff doesn't pay money for crap?
You're a weird little dude.
by coolguyrob on Mar 30, 2008 10:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm sad that he doesn't have a Meche jersey.
Curse you, Detroit Lions!
by Coach Owens on Mar 30, 2008 10:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why would I pay for that?
That's the kind of thing a friend would get me as a gag birthday gift. A bad friend.
by Jeff on Mar 30, 2008 10:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because you, at one time, looked like Meche?
And he was a fan favorite when he was here?
Curse you, Detroit Lions!
by Coach Owens on Mar 30, 2008 10:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, to casual fans and a lot of women.
Curse you, Detroit Lions!
by Coach Owens on Mar 30, 2008 11:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Doesn't sound like Jeff at all.
...and now I'm here
by Librocrat on Mar 30, 2008 11:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
women only want money
and casual fans suck.
by MFAN on Mar 30, 2008 11:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Without them
There would be like 2,000 of us at the stadium.
They're alright.
by Garces on Mar 30, 2008 11:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Women or casual fans?
Because I gotta tell you, I've been to the games. It's a sausage fest there.
...and now I'm here
by Librocrat on Mar 30, 2008 11:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Casual fans
Without women, well...there'd be 0 of us.
by Garces on Mar 30, 2008 11:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Go for the women, stay for the baseball?
...and now I'm here
by Librocrat on Mar 31, 2008 12:38 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Meh...
If you've already got a woman, it becomes:
Go for the effing peace, uh, I mean, beer and hot dogs, stay for the baseball.
by GhettoBear04 on Mar 31, 2008 5:44 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm going to get you a Jersey.
It will say "HERNANDEZ, but when you wear it the glue will come off the HERN and the NDEZ and you've simply be left wearing player A.
...and now I'm here
by Librocrat on Mar 30, 2008 10:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Home Bedard #45 for me.
Hey, how else was I gonna spend my tax return?
Yesterday's Pants
A blog-thingy about the Mariners and stuff.
by BrettJMiller on Mar 31, 2008 2:08 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm 19. I don't have to move out yet.
Thank god. The real world is scary.
Yesterday's Pants
A blog-thingy about the Mariners and stuff.
by BrettJMiller on Mar 31, 2008 2:11 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This may sound counterintuitive . . .
but now that I'm out of college and have a real job, I have WAY more money to blow on worthless shit. I also suggest that you trick a girl into moving in with you. It's working wonders for me.
by Teej on Mar 31, 2008 2:17 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is correct.
Getting a woman to move in with you makes things so much easier. It's the upsides of:
1) Maid - find a picky woman, and once you get past the "nagging" phase, she'll just clean up all your shit.
2) Roommate - She pays half the bills, plus might pay for the garage to put her car in, but will also hold a bunch of your shit..
3) Chef - If you get off work after her, she'll make all your meals.
4) Hooker (May cost extra) - If you spend enough money to keep her happy, she'll also reward you in other ways. (That 600$ necklace? Repaid by her *and* a friend. Best 600$ I ever spent.)
by Faux on Mar 31, 2008 6:01 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh... my...
You live a wonderful lifestyle, currently.
by Wilder. on Mar 31, 2008 7:35 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
When my wife and I were both in the army and stationed in Korea
we were for a while there both drawing our regular pay, our language score pay for being interpreters, and full allowance for quarters. It was, for our needs and station in life, an absurd amount of money - which we of course were incredibly stupid about, buying a metric ton of crap at every whim.
"Hey honey I just bought $500 bucks of Warhammer figures online" "Oh okay, that's nice."
Meanwhile, my buddy was minutely more modest in his spending, and when we left the army, I had nada and he had bout $30,000 in the bank.
So, at this gentle time in your lives when the high costs of parenthood and student loan payments are not yet smashing your stones, I recommend putting some little portion of income away for your future self. If you're putting some away and finding that you still have way more money for shit, put away a little more. Consider this a message from the Ghost of Christmas Future or something. *scary voice*
by Jordan of Boise on Mar 31, 2008 6:17 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm Taking Tomorrow Off of Work
Half because the Mariners play opening day early (grrrr), and half because I'm going to have a massive hangover tomorrow startiiiiiiing NOW.
by marinator on Mar 30, 2008 10:58 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
ugggh
looking thru the shop on the Mariners site I came across a "Mariners Rally Monkey"....... wtf?

Midnight Baseball - No Lights - Only in Alaska!
by MfaninAlaska on Mar 30, 2008 11:01 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
That's just wrong on so many levels.
by Pet Rock on Mar 30, 2008 11:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
no no no no no no no no no no
this is worse than when I found out that the Mariners sell pink hats
by Jeff on Mar 30, 2008 11:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey
I got one for my ex. That was okay, she looked great.
...and now I'm here
by Librocrat on Mar 30, 2008 11:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's not okay. If she's going to agree to be a fan of the team
She can learn to wear blue god damn it. Pink hats are NOT acceptable under any circumstances until the team themselves start wearing pink hats. Don't be a pussy, grow a backbone and tell her if she's going to be a fan of your team she's gotta wear your team's colors. No exceptions.
Yesterday's Pants
A blog-thingy about the Mariners and stuff.
by BrettJMiller on Mar 31, 2008 2:13 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
My niece who is almost 2 has a little pink M's hat...
She has a couple different ones, but she likes the pink one. I think this might be one situation where pink is almost ok?
by thenatural on Mar 31, 2008 2:17 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
She was significantly hotter than you are.
So I'm going to disregard what you say in favor of seeing her look hot.
...and now I'm here
by Librocrat on Mar 31, 2008 2:29 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
She can look hot in blue >:(
Don't be a doormat
Yesterday's Pants
A blog-thingy about the Mariners and stuff.
by BrettJMiller on Mar 31, 2008 2:37 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Her = Hot
You = Not her.
Guess who wins this argument.
...and now I'm here
by Librocrat on Mar 31, 2008 2:39 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I win in more than one way.
...and now I'm here
by Librocrat on Mar 31, 2008 2:48 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wrong.
Hot girls can wear blue. I've seen it! Don't be her bitch, make her be hot in a blue hat. She wouldn't have gotten mad at you for getting her a blue hat.
I refuse to acknowledge you winning, and instead acknowledge you being the submissive, letting your girlfriend call the shots like a typical beta male.
Sorry man.
Yesterday's Pants
A blog-thingy about the Mariners and stuff.
by BrettJMiller on Mar 31, 2008 2:48 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Guarantee you that's not the case.
Though I don't particularly care if you take my word for it, since I still win with the hot girlfriend.
...and now I'm here
by Librocrat on Mar 31, 2008 2:50 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't you set women on fire before sex?
Or do I misremember that?
by Graham on Mar 31, 2008 2:50 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, wait, that was a joke.
...and now I'm here
by Librocrat on Mar 31, 2008 2:53 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm slow right now,
...and now I'm here
by Librocrat on Mar 31, 2008 2:54 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And Librocrat said she WAS significantly hotter....
by brayden04 on Mar 31, 2008 7:53 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It took you guys a while to notice.
I suppose she still is, but that's much less of my business.
...and now I'm here
by Librocrat on Mar 31, 2008 10:19 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
As an aside, I'm not sure I believe you. You're defending yourself too hard
with her hotness
Yesterday's Pants
A blog-thingy about the Mariners and stuff.
by BrettJMiller on Mar 31, 2008 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hm... interesting theory.
You'll just have to be left wondering......
...and now I'm here
by Librocrat on Mar 31, 2008 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This isn't as interesting as you think it is
by Jeff on Mar 31, 2008 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Making a smart ass comment to my smart ass comment doesn't really work.
...and now I'm here
by Librocrat on Mar 31, 2008 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm beginning to understand why she broke up with you
by Jeff on Mar 31, 2008 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So she killed herself?
...and now I'm here
by Librocrat on Mar 31, 2008 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
...She didn't.
Also, this is not amusing.
...and now I'm here
by Librocrat on Mar 31, 2008 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That you touch yourself?
...and now I'm here
by Librocrat on Mar 31, 2008 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hahaha this ended up going way better
than I even expected it to. This place is awesome.
Yesterday's Pants
A blog-thingy about the Mariners and stuff.
by BrettJMiller on Mar 31, 2008 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jeff, think of the kittens
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...and now I'm here
by Librocrat on Mar 31, 2008 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like birds
kittens eat birds
Hence, fuck kittens.
by Jeff on Mar 31, 2008 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought you cheesed.
...and now I'm here
by Librocrat on Mar 31, 2008 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Moved to Boston.
I don't do long distance.
...and now I'm here
by Librocrat on Mar 31, 2008 10:17 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ehhhh anyone can have a hot girlfriend.
That's still just a subtle way of letting her wear the pants. First it's a pink hat, but then what's next?
Yesterday's Pants
A blog-thingy about the Mariners and stuff.
by BrettJMiller on Mar 31, 2008 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What's next?
ONLY a pink hat.
...and now I'm here
by Librocrat on Mar 31, 2008 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I matters little to me.
...and now I'm here
by Librocrat on Mar 31, 2008 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
My Fiance'
Has a blue hat but a pink Jersey. I don't really care because she actually likes to goto baseball games. So as long that is the case. I'm not fucking with anything. (literally had a to do a celebrate agreement before the wedding, this next 4 months is going to suck)
Coach Owens = Scruffy's spell check
by Scruffy Lefty on Mar 31, 2008 6:15 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wheres coach?
How did you let me type celebrate instead of celibate?
Coach Owens = Scruffy's spell check
by Scruffy Lefty on Mar 31, 2008 6:16 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is this based on the premise
that at some point you'll go 4 months without sex during the marriage, so let's make sure you can handle it right now?
Man... that's cold.
by johnbai on Mar 31, 2008 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
WTF?
Yeah, but you should take advantage of all of the sex you can get today because you won't get the choice in the future.
by Wilder. on Mar 31, 2008 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not sure what happen
but it starts tomorrow. So tonight is business time
Coach Owens = Scruffy's spell check
by Scruffy Lefty on Mar 31, 2008 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I stumble over my pants, but I turn it into a sexy dance...
I reject your reality and substitute my own!
by Phildopip on Mar 31, 2008 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And then we sort the recycling
It's not part of the foreplay, but it is very important.
by Pet Rock on Mar 31, 2008 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Makin' love...
Makin' love for...
Makin' love for two...
Makin' love for two minutes.
I reject your reality and substitute my own!
by Phildopip on Mar 31, 2008 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Two minutes in heaven
is better than one minute in heaven
by Graham on Mar 31, 2008 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Speaking of Flight of the Conchords
is anybody else going to Sasquatch?
I reject your reality and substitute my own!
by Phildopip on Mar 31, 2008 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You should go to Vegas and get married without anyone knowing.
Then you can have the show wedding people actually think is the real wedding in 4 months.
by Wilder. on Mar 31, 2008 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I saw that too
No surprise that its in the sale section... Who would buy that thing?
by thenatural on Mar 30, 2008 11:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I could of gone my whole life without knowing that exists.
If Pinocchio has a cocaine problem and he lies about it, does that make it worse?
by Goose on Mar 31, 2008 2:46 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
burn that horrible fucking thing in effigy
then the fool what conceived it. what's next, teal bang-bang sticks! nightmare.
by lemonverbena on Mar 31, 2008 2:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Spring Training stats do have meaning
And Mike Morse will have a breakout year.
http://actasports.com/sow.php?id=164
Come on, it just feels good to be an optimist.
by Edgar for Pres on Mar 30, 2008 11:11 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Hey check it out
they did away with the mandatory preview.
by Jeff on Mar 30, 2008 11:12 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
... I have it...
...and now I'm here
by Librocrat on Mar 30, 2008 11:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not sure I understand this
Real...baseball?
So are we getting Bedard or what?
by Garces on Mar 30, 2008 11:12 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
For Jamie Moyer, right?
Yesterday's Pants
A blog-thingy about the Mariners and stuff.
by BrettJMiller on Mar 31, 2008 2:13 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nope. Peter Angelos nixed it.
Curse you, Detroit Lions!
by Coach Owens on Mar 30, 2008 11:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought we were just waiting for the results of Jones' physical.
Yesterday's Pants
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by BrettJMiller on Mar 31, 2008 2:14 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry folks, the site is going down for a bit
We need to make some last minute updates to get ready for tomorrow. We shouldn't be down long, an hour at the most.
I'm one of the guys that built the new SB Nation
by lovitt on Mar 30, 2008 11:15 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
God Damnit
You take something I love away from me and you can be damn sure that I'll do the same to you
by Robert on Mar 30, 2008 11:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And we're back
I'm one of the guys that built the new SB Nation
by lovitt on Mar 30, 2008 11:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
WOOO
It is officially opening day Pacific/Arizona Time
I was losing some excitement earlier on the news of the platoon. Its all back now... I cant fucking wait
by thenatural on Mar 31, 2008 12:00 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I read that wrong.
excitement != excrement
by Faux on Mar 31, 2008 6:06 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
To be honest, both are correct...
except it didn't come back, like the excitement, it's long gone.
by thenatural on Mar 31, 2008 6:42 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jeff, did you get a pretty good deal
getting the jersey on Ebay, or was it pretty close to what an authentic one would run you in the team store?
by thenatural on Mar 31, 2008 12:06 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
huh, I didn't see anything that much.
But maybe I looked for the wrong thing.
...and now I'm here
by Librocrat on Mar 31, 2008 12:40 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was pretty specific
I wanted a Felix, and I wanted a Felix 34.
by Jeff on Mar 31, 2008 12:41 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe this is a stupid question
but what is the difference between "authentic" and authentic. My jersey is pretty high quality, but it's from the Majestic brand, which I know generally makes crap. Again, cost me 6.00, so who cares. But what brand do I need to search for to get a real authentic..... "Authentic"?
...and now I'm here
by Librocrat on Mar 31, 2008 12:44 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Majestic is authentic.
The difference is that the replicas have just blue lettering whereas the authentic jerseys have official lettering with the teal outline and stuff. Worth the extra money because otherwise it looks like it was made for an eight-year-old but costs way more. It's worth the extra bucks for the authentic.
Yesterday's Pants
A blog-thingy about the Mariners and stuff.
by BrettJMiller on Mar 31, 2008 2:16 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mine's a black Cincy Griffey jersey.
Feels real, great lettering, cost me a whopping 6.00 on ebay. I assumed there was no way it could actually be "authentic"
...and now I'm here
by Librocrat on Mar 31, 2008 2:31 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
this is where I wish I could buy clothes on Ebay.
by brayden04 on Mar 31, 2008 2:33 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
In theory I could...
but I'm so tall that there isn't much selection, and you don't really know if it will fit right even if the shirt says XXL or whatever.
by brayden04 on Mar 31, 2008 2:38 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think you'd be okay.
My large is big on me, I'm 6"0. So an XL or an XXL long should be fine depending on your waist size.
...and now I'm here
by Librocrat on Mar 31, 2008 2:40 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
waist isn't the problem,
I have an authentic Felix, size 56, and anything smaller than that wouldn't fit. Lucky for my they make 56, it's the biggest size they make!
by brayden04 on Mar 31, 2008 2:43 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, you're right.
I just searched ebay. Nothing special, only 30+ options for all teams combined.
...and now I'm here
by Librocrat on Mar 31, 2008 2:47 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why would I get a Royals jersey?
Or heaven forbid, an Angels jersey? I mean, I MIGHT get a Nats jersey, but that's a huge maybe. Only a Zimmerman one.
by brayden04 on Mar 31, 2008 2:50 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Blank mariner one :(
...and now I'm here
by Librocrat on Mar 31, 2008 2:52 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, wait, did you think I was being sarcastic?
I wasn't.
...and now I'm here
by Librocrat on Mar 31, 2008 2:52 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, I'm saying I know
there are a lot of jerseys out there, but for the vast majority of them I'm not really interested.
by brayden04 on Mar 31, 2008 2:54 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, that's lame.
...and now I'm here
by Librocrat on Mar 31, 2008 2:57 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cool... I'm trying to find one,and I'd rather not get it from the team store
whats the fit like?
by thenatural on Mar 31, 2008 12:41 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just about perfect
but then I was also looking for a particular size.
by Jeff on Mar 31, 2008 7:52 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Real authentic ~40 or less depending on the player.
My "Majestic" in pretty good condition cost me 6.00 on ebay.
...and now I'm here
by Librocrat on Mar 31, 2008 12:39 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wooooooohooooooo
15 hours 'til baseballllllll!111!11!!!!
by OlSalty on Mar 31, 2008 12:26 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Today is a day for teal.
I may be graduating in May, and the Mariners may do something special including getting to the post-season, and I might shoot another 300 this year (or maybe win a damn bowling tournament).
But today is a day for teal. I must concur with Jeff. It is Opening Day, the Greatest Day of Them All.
Let's go M's.
by Two Rs and Two Ls on Mar 31, 2008 1:21 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Cheers!
I'm not much of a wine connoisseur, so I'm just gonna knock back a Tanqueray and tonic, hit the sack and wake up with a boner for baseball.
Go M's! Please.
by Teej on Mar 31, 2008 2:07 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Make sure baseball consents.
...and now I'm here
by Librocrat on Mar 31, 2008 2:31 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I figured there was an Opening Day moratorium
on getting consent.
by Teej on Mar 31, 2008 2:32 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Baseball rape isn't funny.
...and now I'm here
by Librocrat on Mar 31, 2008 2:35 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, yes.
It's less funny than regular rape.
by Teej on Mar 31, 2008 2:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
OPENINGDAYOPENINGDAYOPENINGDAYOPENINGDAYOPENINGDAYOPENINGDAYOPENINGDAYOPENINGDAY
ISHOULDREALLYWORKONMYREPORTBUTFUCKITTODAYISSACROSACNTOPENINGOPENINGDAYOPENINGDAYOPENINGDAYOPENINGDAYOPENINGDAYOPENINGDAY
by Graham on Mar 31, 2008 2:08 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Your disagreement is wrong.
Yesterday's Pants
A blog-thingy about the Mariners and stuff.
by BrettJMiller on Mar 31, 2008 2:17 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is the correct answer.
Yesterday's Pants
A blog-thingy about the Mariners and stuff.
by BrettJMiller on Mar 31, 2008 2:18 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm already drinking
Who's the moron now?
by Graham on Mar 31, 2008 7:58 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, Graham did
repeatedly. Doubles.
Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.
by pdb on Mar 31, 2008 8:10 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, that in fact does not qualify as an American serve
But maybe in England?
by brayden04 on Mar 31, 2008 8:11 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
YAY! an excuse to wear my new Jersey!
Here's to hoping we see Red and Funk blasts. (dear lord please bring that back M's)
This is me not lurking.
by PhilKenSebben on Mar 31, 2008 2:33 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
That's the best user name I've seen all day.
I'll have to buy you a beer for that.
Yesterday's Pants
A blog-thingy about the Mariners and stuff.
by BrettJMiller on Mar 31, 2008 2:38 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks
I just need to post more.
This is me not lurking.
by PhilKenSebben on Mar 31, 2008 7:45 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The M's have black
alternate jerseys this year?? Man, those things look nice!
by brayden04 on Mar 31, 2008 2:39 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
My Opening Day Schedule (PDT)
Now - 7:30am: Work
7:30 - 10:00am: Stuff
10:00am - 3:30pm: Sleep
3:30pm = Game Time!!
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W00t! No more Mandatory Preview!? Brilliant!
by ThundaPC on Mar 31, 2008 2:43 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Opening Day Schedule (BST)
Now - 6:00pm: Work, then drive home
6:00pm-3:00am Date with MLB.tv (Royals @ Tigers @ 6pm, bit of Giants @ Dodgers followed by Rangers @ Ms)
3:00am - 6am: Sleep. Ouch,
Accidental Mariner - P3 W1 L2 (.333)
Sponsor of Jamie Burke's baseball-reference page
by MarkE on Mar 31, 2008 2:47 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Opening day schedule:
Now: Awake.
Soon: Get out of bed.
Eventually: Eat something
Possibly: Do some work
Probably not: Do much work
Looking forward to: BASEBALL
by Graham on Mar 31, 2008 2:49 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Opening day schedule
-2 hours ago: Should have gone to sleep.
Now: Regret
7:50 AM: Wake up
8:50 AM: Wake up
9:30 AM: Coffee, wake up
10:00 AM: Start writing crappy articles about how to make money online
2:00 PM Bus to Safeco
3:00 PM Awesomeness.
...and now I'm here
by Librocrat on Mar 31, 2008 2:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You and me were on LL during the Nats game
then I went to sleep, woke up, and you're still here. Does that say more about me coming here right when I wake up or you being here the whole time?
by brayden04 on Mar 31, 2008 2:53 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't sleep easily.
...and now I'm here
by Librocrat on Mar 31, 2008 2:55 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I should add:
I don't have insomnia, I just don't get tired easily and tend to waste time online post midnight.
...and now I'm here
by Librocrat on Mar 31, 2008 2:55 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't have insomnia
I'm just big-boned
by Graham on Mar 31, 2008 2:56 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know I am.
Or did you mean fat.
...and now I'm here
by Librocrat on Mar 31, 2008 2:58 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I try so hard
to explain this to people. I work nights, yet people are completely freaked out that I stay up till 3 or 4 a.m.
"Are you depresssed?"
"Are you retarded?"
by Teej on Mar 31, 2008 2:57 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm pretty sure I'm going to kill myself
I mean . . . the sun's going to be coming out soon . . . and the infomercials are on . . . and life's so hard . . .
Anyway, hooray for the nightowls! Glad to find a few more.
by Teej on Mar 31, 2008 3:01 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Shit, I wish it were 11 a.m.
That's when baseball starts!
by Teej on Mar 31, 2008 3:03 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Judge Dredd on TBS!
maybe killing myself isn't a bad idea afterall
by thenatural on Mar 31, 2008 3:03 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dude, I watched the whole thing
I've seen it before, and for some reason, I watched the whole thing
by thenatural on Mar 31, 2008 9:12 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm leaving soon.
But if you need a shoulder cry on... Man up.
...and now I'm here
by Librocrat on Mar 31, 2008 3:03 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
it's ok, usually when I wake up nobody is here..
sometimes Graham, but he is usually busy building bridges or calculating the square root of is campus or something....
by brayden04 on Mar 31, 2008 2:59 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hyperelastic, viscoelastic, anisotropic materials are less fun
by Graham on Mar 31, 2008 3:11 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can only imagine
and thats why I am a Math and Stats major, and not Engineering...
by thenatural on Mar 31, 2008 3:13 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
These days I don't do much engineering
I just complain that my computer is failing to do my engineering for me
by Graham on Mar 31, 2008 3:14 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!
BBBBBBBAAAAAAAAASSSSSSSSSSEEEEEEEEEEEEBBBBBBBBBAAAAAAAAALLLLLLLLL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
I'm so pumped!
LET'S GO DBACKS!
LET'S GO MARINERS!
WOOOO!
If Pinocchio has a cocaine problem and he lies about it, does that make it worse?
by Goose on Mar 31, 2008 2:50 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I was trying hard this weekend
to stick around an extra day or two in Seattle, but I guess I'll be glued to the boob tube like most of y'all. I don't care what our offseason was like right now. I don't care what our projected forecast is like right now. I don't care about 2007's failures. Right now, I just care about droid humping baseball!
Fans are typically idiots.
by The Typical Idiot Fan on Mar 31, 2008 3:06 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Robot rape isn't funny either.
...and now I'm here
by Librocrat on Mar 31, 2008 3:07 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Okay, I need to leave.
I'll give SB nation credit for one thing: There knew format makes it more difficult to leave, because every time you make a comment "I only have to wait just 20 more seconds to see the response... just 20 more seconds and then I'll leave..."
...and now I'm here
by Librocrat on Mar 31, 2008 3:07 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Holy fucking christ.
"Their new"
WTF.
...and now I'm here
by Librocrat on Mar 31, 2008 3:09 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
You're a bad person for that grammatical error and you should feel bad.
by OlSalty on Mar 31, 2008 4:20 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd kill myself
But that would be unfair to the world.
...and now I'm here
by Librocrat on Mar 31, 2008 10:20 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm leaving too,
I'm going to one of the local bakeries to spend more money. Bakeries are awesome.
by brayden04 on Mar 31, 2008 3:12 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So 12 hours left?
*sigh* This is worse than a 6 year old kid waiting for Christmas.
by coolguyrob on Mar 31, 2008 3:39 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I know dude... This sucks
I slept in really late today and now I can't sleep. I have class at 9:30, so I'm just going to stay awake, effectively making my wait 5 hours longer than it should be.
by thenatural on Mar 31, 2008 3:52 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Festivites
Only recently I saw some youtube clips of the Opening Day festivities from 2006 or 2007 (I forget which). It all looked very cool.
One question I have though - do TV stations cover this, a la Olympic Ceremonies, or is it just for the closed stadium audience? I presume that MLB.tv won't show anything, I don't recall them doing so last year.
And does a 3:40pm start really mean a 3:40pm start, or is that just a precursor to a 4pm start?
Accidental Mariner - P3 W1 L2 (.333)
Sponsor of Jamie Burke's baseball-reference page
by MarkE on Mar 31, 2008 4:34 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Very funny thread
I also agree WOOT BASEBALL SEASON!
by phil333 on Mar 31, 2008 4:45 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Well, one of them has to be right... right?
Thanks for nothing, Seattle Times... although, I don't know why this surprises me.
I accidentally cropped the last article, but Baker's piece is titled, "Mariners not at a crossroads, can probably just win later"
by thenatural on Mar 31, 2008 4:57 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Links don't work
Baker.....sigh.
We could've won later, if we had kept Jones and the rest of our young talent. Now we do have to win now or wait many years until our farm system is rebuilt before we have another shot.
How does he expect us to win later when almost half of our 25 man roster is 31 or older, including 6 members of our starting lineup? Does he expect the old guys to get better as they age? And our younger guys in the lineup aren't even good hitters, where are we magically going to pull this good offense out of our ass to win later? We have a lot of good young pitchers but the entire offense needs to be retooled and you can't do that through free agent signings alone.
by OlSalty on Mar 31, 2008 5:45 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Its actually just a screenshot of their website... sorry, I wanted to put a border on, but I forgot
and I was just kidding about the Baker piece, he's better than that
by thenatural on Mar 31, 2008 5:50 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hilarity ensues over at HH
Advanced... analysis by the Rev, but the thread it even better:
http://www.halosheaven.com/2008/3/30/387750/i-got-yer-imposing-right-h#comments
by Fett42 on Mar 31, 2008 6:05 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
WHAT R U TAKLING ABOUT???
JERED WEAVER IS THE BEST!!!1!!11!
by brayden04 on Mar 31, 2008 6:07 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
As much as I hate their blind homerism and everything else about (most of) them
I kind of agree that our pitching will not be enough to make us a clear favorite. That being said, I never thought I'd hear anybody brag about having Jon Garland on their squad. So that made me laugh...
by thenatural on Mar 31, 2008 7:03 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The argument is whether or not the M's rotation is better than the Angels
INCLUDING Lackey out for a month.
Not about who was the fav.
Don't see how anyone could pick Angels in that case.
by Fett42 on Mar 31, 2008 8:00 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, I thought I made a decent argument
Even used FIP and everything. So far neither you nor OlSalty has refuted anything I said. If you have points to raise or issues with my analysis, feel free to post them.
~Till the Halo burns out...
by Zu Long on Mar 31, 2008 8:14 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Then use a better stat to point out why I'm wrong.
~Till the Halo burns out...
by Zu Long on Mar 31, 2008 8:17 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I must have missed it.
Where did you post it?
~Till the Halo burns out...
by Zu Long on Mar 31, 2008 8:18 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Go look for Matthew's posts on regressed tRAs
I don't take you seriously enough to actually look it up myself.
by Graham on Mar 31, 2008 8:20 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Unless they fixed the search function while I wasn't looking
that's going to be pretty hard. Anything more definite you can give me about where to find it? Like maybe what month it was in?
~Till the Halo burns out...
by Zu Long on Mar 31, 2008 8:22 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Within the last couple of months
Matthew was busy trying to prove that the Angels would beat the tar out of the M's so he did a bunch of projection posts
by Graham on Mar 31, 2008 8:25 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
heehee
At least so far he is being normal, unlike many Angels fans that come over here. But maybe I missed some egregious act committed by him in the past.
by brayden04 on Mar 31, 2008 8:23 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not being particularly mean
I just don't think there's any point in explaining advanced pitching metrics to an HH resident.
by Graham on Mar 31, 2008 8:25 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hence me being mild
Well, it's mild for me, OK?
by Graham on Mar 31, 2008 8:27 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
But it does seem like they take him seriously over there....
Although saving the entire HH community is WAY too much to ask
by brayden04 on Mar 31, 2008 8:26 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
But....
Jered Weaver had an ERA+ of 178 in 2006! And the only reason he was so much worse last year is because he was pitching hurt!
by OlSalty on Mar 31, 2008 8:28 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And have you watched him?
He looks really good!!!
by Pet Rock on Mar 31, 2008 10:17 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So here's what I found:
You created a new stat called tRA.
When you apply a regression model, it projects just about everybody on the Angels as becoming worse, mostly based on the low number of homers per FB the Angels pitchers give up (just like xFIP), while predicting Felix Hernandez will be better (also just like xFIP) because his HR/FB will regress towards league average.
Matthews in his projection says that he likes tRA better than ZIPS projections because it fits his preconceptions better.
While tRA/tRA* is an interesting metric, it seems to me that there are two problems: first, it's based entirely on one year, 2007. First I usually prefer a three year body of data (if possible) because it gives a broader range and helps identify outliers and/or trends in a pitcher's development. Second, it continues the problem of xFIP in assuming that all pitchers operate in the same way with respect to giving up homers.
Example: John Lackey
John has put up the following HR/FB rates in the past three seasons: 7.8%, 6.8%, 8.8%.
All of those are quite a ways below the league average at 11%. Accordingly, xFIP has assigned him values far in excess of his FIP under the assumption that he's going to regress back toward 11%, and it hasn't been right once.
There are two conclusions you can draw from this: A) John Lackey has gotten absurdly lucky three years running, or B) Something is causing his HR/FB rate to remain lower than the league average.
I feel that you have to conclude B), though I would add that I'm not sure that it is anything John himself is doing (at least, not entirely). If you wish, I can expound on the reasoning behind this latter statement, but I'd prefer to hear your reaction to what I've already said before I get into that.
~Till the Halo burns out...
by Zu Long on Mar 31, 2008 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
HR/FB% correlation year-to-year is 0.17
which is lower than BABIP.
by Matthew on Mar 31, 2008 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
For the league in general, yes
But as I said, I'm not sure it's correct to assume that every pitcher will have the same HR/FB tendencies year after year. While most are erratic, Nate Silver recently talked about how Tom Glavine routinely breaks PECOTA projections by screwing around with his likely-hood of giving up a homerun. If an individual is beating the system on a regular basis, logic says there must be a reason for it.
However, as I said, I'm not entirely sure that's the reason in Lackey's case is his own pitching. I'll elaborate further on this in my response to Graham below.
~Till the Halo burns out...
by Zu Long on Mar 31, 2008 1:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
given Glavine's HR/FB% is above 10 for 3 out of last 4 years
I have no idea what you're saying.
by Matthew on Mar 31, 2008 1:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's referring to the fact that Glavine nibbles low with runners on
And in close games
by Graham on Mar 31, 2008 1:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
which is why he seems to routinely beat
his LOB% projections, but HR/FB%?
by Matthew on Mar 31, 2008 1:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I ran a 10 year correlation check to get my HR regression data
You want to believe that John Lackey is magical, then fine.
by Graham on Mar 31, 2008 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nothing to do with magic.
It's the weather.
I saw in your tRA post that you included the modified THT Home Run Park Factor, and included them in the results. There was another THT article on a similar subject that I'm curious if you looked at: An observation of the actual weather at MLB stadiums over a two-year period and their effect on HR/FB rates.
The results are fairly interesting. League average in this article was 14%. At Angel stadium, 85% of the time the HR/FB rate was 9.4% around a 30% absolute reduction.
Over the years at Angel stadium much has been made by various announcers of the "marine layer" at Angel stadium which tends to knock balls down. I think that this article quantifies the effect of that marine layer on actual games, because the author was forced to place it in the "Other" category of weather, as opposed to in/out/still. The THT park factor rate you used doesn't take this into account.
This would also explain why Escobar, Weaver, and Saunders also seem to be beating the consistently odds on this. Santana can be explained by the fact that the vast majority of his homers are given up away, due to psychological problems I mentioned earlier. Thus, the Angels pitchers are probably not going to regress as much as your model indicates they should, because they spend half their games pitching in a stadium which lowers their HR/FB rate dramatically.
~Till the Halo burns out...
by Zu Long on Mar 31, 2008 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Arghhhhh
Yesterday's Pants
A blog-thingy about the Mariners and stuff.
by BrettJMiller on Mar 31, 2008 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We've played around with HR park factors
Changing them barely does anything.
And Lackey's regressed numbered add on 0.20 runs per 9 innings.
by Graham on Mar 31, 2008 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Really?
Altering HR/FB rates by -30% in half the player's starts does nothing? That's fairly surprising.
~Till the Halo burns out...
by Zu Long on Mar 31, 2008 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
First off, it's not 30% because the HR factor
for ANA wasn't 100.
Secondly, no, not really. Lackey's tRA went from 4.06 to 3.91 if you give ANA a ridiculous HR factor of 70.
by Matthew on Mar 31, 2008 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
There aren't that many HR hit per year
The massive park factor swings only change things by +/-3 HR per year max , and that's only ~5 runs.
by Graham on Mar 31, 2008 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Per pitcher, or just overall?
If it were per pitcher, then that's 25 runs, which is 2-3 games, IIRC.
~Till the Halo burns out...
by Zu Long on Mar 31, 2008 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's actually 0 games overall
Since the run environment changes for both teams if you assume that extreme an effect. If you're talking about rotation ability things get a bit different.
by Graham on Mar 31, 2008 1:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting. I'm not sure which it would be.
Gotta get to class, I'll be back later.
~Till the Halo burns out...
by Zu Long on Mar 31, 2008 1:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's a terrible stat to use for projecting forward
that was a backward looking study only. It's like computing park factors without controlling for the home team.
by Matthew on Mar 31, 2008 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Then control for the home team.
I may be wrong; as I said, it's only a theory, but I think it has merit, as it would explain why the Angels staters as a group seem to have a consistently low FB/HR rate.
~Till the Halo burns out...
by Zu Long on Mar 31, 2008 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
if I had done the study and had the data
I would have. I didn't and I don't but I'm going to try.
by Matthew on Mar 31, 2008 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
why are you taling about Lackey anyways?
That's not where the projections differ with anything else. You want to talk up the Angels rotation you're going to have to defend Weaver and Garland as sub 4 pitchers.
by Matthew on Mar 31, 2008 1:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I used Lackey because he best demonstrates
My point about HR rates, having been in Angel stadium the longest. Weaver and Garland's projections owe a lot to their regressed HR rates. If I'm correct about Angels stadium's effect on HR/FB rates, then they, too, will not regress as much as they should.
~Till the Halo burns out...
by Zu Long on Mar 31, 2008 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
There's a fairly simple way to test if it's the park
Check the HR/FB% of visiting pitchers in Anaheim. Of all the flyballs opposing pitchers gave up, how many cleared the fence? If you're right, it should be significantly lower for everyone pitching there, not just Lackey, Weaver, and Saunders.
I'm gonna throw out a wild guess here and say it's around 11% but it seems like something that would be easy to pretty easy to check if you felt so inclined.
by OlSalty on Mar 31, 2008 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Still need to control for the team
the Angels haven't had very powerful lineups.
by Jeff on Mar 31, 2008 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I tried to
But the post didn't go through, and I'm way too lazy to write all of it again, so someone else can point out to you all the ways in which you're wrong.
But the most glaring of which is that you said pretty much exactly what I said, and the only clear advantage the Angels have in the rotation order is at #3 (if you actually buy that Garland's FIP will hold up lol, not that Washburn's will), while the Mariners have a better #2 and #5 easily. And add to that Lackey is going to miss at least 12 starts, and there's no telling how he'll pitch coming back from injury, and the advantage is clearly to the Mariners, I don't see how you could possibly argue otherwise.
by OlSalty on Mar 31, 2008 8:21 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lackey will miss 2 months?
The last estimates I read had him back in early May. That's 5 to 6 starts missed, which is Bedard's average over his career, so that's why we feel confident in still comparing the two equally.
As far as an advantage in the number 5 spot, that's only true if you assume Santana is going to repeat 2007. 2006 numbers would put him back at a level with Batista, and as I pointed out, Santana remains a good pick for a breakout season, which along with his youth, gives him a fairly high upside. Batista is getting old and will likely continue to get worse from here out.
Given those two arguments, it seems like you could make a decent case that the two teams are tied or even still give the overall advantage to the Angels.
~Till the Halo burns out...
by Zu Long on Mar 31, 2008 8:33 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The last report I saw
Said mid or late May, maybe that's changed. But hoping for an early May return and actually returning in early May are two entirely different things, 5 or 6 starts is a pretty optimistic prediction.
Anyways, this is pretty much pointless, I never really intended to get into a silly little argument over whose rotation is better or whatever, I was just pointing out that all of the ways the poster in that diary used to justify the Angels rotation as better (ERA+, Win/Loss record, etc.) are complete garbage stats that tell you very little about their ability as a pitcher. FIP isn't great either but I'm not about to try to explain the more complex measures to someone who doesn't even know what ERA+ does and doesn't tell you about a pitcher.
by OlSalty on Mar 31, 2008 9:01 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Too true...
I need to read more carefully
by thenatural on Mar 31, 2008 9:17 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I loved the need to explain what ERA+ meant
Accidental Mariner - P3 W1 L2 (.333)
Sponsor of Jamie Burke's baseball-reference page
by MarkE on Mar 31, 2008 7:22 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yours is a noble mission
but I honestly think you're wasting your time. They're not going to listen.
by Jeff on Mar 31, 2008 8:20 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
HAHAHAHAHAH
He called Adenhart a "phee-nom."
That is like calling Morrow a phenom. Absolutely ridiculous. I can't believe I clicked that link.
by Wilder. on Mar 31, 2008 8:26 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Adenhart is a pretty good prospect
I wouldn't venture into "phenom" territory quite yet but he definitely has that potential.
by Jeff on Mar 31, 2008 8:29 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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