Opening Day Lineup
by Matthew on Mar 29, 2008 8:14 PM PDT
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PrintCF Ichiro!*
2B Jose Lopez
LF Raul Ibanez*
1B Richie Sexson
3B Adrian Beltre
RF Brad Wilkerson*
DH Jose Vidro^
C Kenji Johjima
SS Yuniesky Betancourt
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When the lineup wraps around 8-9-1-2
The average pitches taken per PA for those 4 in 2007 was 13.9 total. That's under 3.5 per.
This team needs Bonds in the worst possible way.
The player you want would help the team less than the player I want.
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by BrettJMiller on Mar 29, 2008 9:15 PM PDT up reply actions
It scares me
That this includes Ichiro, too. I know he's not a pitch taking machine, but it's hard to think of him in the same company as those other 3 when it comes to much of anything regarding approach.
"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring." ~Rogers Hornsby
Gives Sexson slightly better pitches.
Though probably not by much.
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The idea that this helps is a myth.
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by BrettJMiller on Mar 29, 2008 10:14 PM PDT up reply actions
I didn't know that.
Why?
...and now I'm here
It's possible that this book is outdated
But there's a huge article with a plethora of research about it in "Baseball Between the Numbers" It's a good book, I'd recommend checking it out.
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by BrettJMiller on Mar 29, 2008 11:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Huh.
I believe you, since I haven't read anything about it. Though I see the logic to the other side as well, since it would make sense to pitch differently when a better player is after them, even if the difference is minimal.
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I know I might be in the minority...
But I'm really glad Lopez is in the 2 hole. It's the place he's had success. His one All-Star appearance came from the 2 hole and then he got moved to the 3 spot after the break and immediately feel apart. I know it's silly, but maybe it's just a comfort thing.
Silver lining: The more ABs he gets in the 2 hole, the more likely it is Vidro doesn't get his option
As it forces Vidro to bat lower in the order.
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by BrettJMiller on Mar 29, 2008 9:28 PM PDT up reply actions
minority or not
I'm right there with you. It's irrational, but I'm clinging to blind hope that he repeats early 2006 in the 2 hole again. I pray that him bunting too often is the biggest complaint I have.
Johnny McCocksmoker ...
sure loves to get high off of some Rauuuuuuuuuuuul, while also going down on "Big Sexy's" impotent funk blaster.
John McLaren likes Raul Ibanez and Richie Sexson
by AK1984Interpreter on Mar 29, 2008 10:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Ah, thank you.
I was blanking there for a moment.
...and now I'm here
Leave
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by BrettJMiller on Mar 29, 2008 11:36 PM PDT up reply actions
I think the AK interpreter makes up for AK's unreadability.
We don't negotiate with terrorists.
by Mariner John on Mar 29, 2008 11:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Actually, Brett J. Miller is seemingly more upset about my vulgarity.
It's either that or he's pissed off about how his parents gave him the initials B.J.
Of course, that's the only thing he's good at giving in life. I wouldn't know that for sure, of course.
You pulled an old quote of mine, which ...
indicates that your retort required a decent effort.
I appreciate that.
Dammit, that killed my buzz.
Nope, I'm still feeling the alcohol through my veins. It's all good here.
I don't give a flying bloody menstral cycle fuck about vulgarity.
You are just bad at life
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by BrettJMiller on Mar 30, 2008 2:01 AM PDT up reply actions
Whether or not I'm bad at life ...
isn't of importance, for here I am alive, kickin', and doin' my thing.
Anyhow, what's with the joke 'bout broads bleedin' from their cunt? That's weak sauce.
I feel sorry for your family having to spend any time with you.
Give them my condolences. I can't believe they haven't hung themselves yet.
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by BrettJMiller on Mar 30, 2008 2:22 AM PDT up reply actions
*hanged
Thanks Graham
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by BrettJMiller on Mar 30, 2008 2:24 AM PDT up reply actions
It must be their high amount of tolerance, which probably ...
isn't the case in your family. My guess is that they're a bunch of moronic alcholics.
I'd've assumed that you're family members are addicted to pain killers, but they're most likely too poor to sustain such an addiction.
Alas, that's life.
Actually, the reason your family hasn't hanged themselves
Is because at least one of them is profoundly incapable of contemplating the act, let alone actually committing to it.
by Graham MacAree on Mar 30, 2008 2:27 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Okay, that's a solid use your memory.
Why are we even fighting about this stupid shit?
We should focus our attention toward the idiocy of Bill Bavasi, Dan Evans, John Boles, et cetera.
Haha your sister's retarded
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by BrettJMiller on Mar 30, 2008 2:29 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Look, Graham at least ...
added a bit of subtlety to his humor.
You, on the other hand, are just an idiot.
Why do I live in a world that allows losers to continue their existance? Why won't they just kill themselves ...
The irony of this statement is beautiful.
Rec flag for Brett!
by Graham MacAree on Mar 30, 2008 2:33 AM PDT up reply actions
Look who's ...
enjoying the new format.
What happened to your complaints?
Man, you are a hypocrite. Idiots who bitch ultimately conform to the norm.
I got my issues fixed!
Also, did you just call me an idiot? Seriously? My life reaches whole new pinnacles of hilarity.
by Graham MacAree on Mar 30, 2008 2:38 AM PDT up reply actions
Technically, I directly stated that you're a...
"hypocrite."
Indirectly, however, the term "[i]diots" was used to describe those of whom who exhibit your behavior.
Why didn't you get that?
I did
Hence you describing me as an idiot being funny.
by Graham MacAree on Mar 30, 2008 2:42 AM PDT up reply actions
Who needs subtlety? Retards are hilarious
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by BrettJMiller on Mar 30, 2008 2:35 AM PDT up reply actions
As are the fucking beatdowns ...
of assholes.
Remember, folks, this is the Internet. I may be flying solo here, but I've got people -- unlike the nerds around here -- who'll support me under certain circumstances.
It's too bad that I'm usually a really nice guy.
Your 7/11 crew will fuck us up
Oh wait, no, you got fired.
Nevermind.
by Graham MacAree on Mar 30, 2008 2:39 AM PDT up reply actions
How does one get fired from a fucking 7/11 anyway?
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by BrettJMiller on Mar 30, 2008 2:40 AM PDT up reply actions
This is wildly entertaining.
...and now I'm here
Not just for you. :)
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by BrettJMiller on Mar 30, 2008 2:40 AM PDT up reply actions
I never get to do these.
When I argue with people they usually don't talk back.
...and now I'm here
Try being meaner.
It's fun.
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by BrettJMiller on Mar 30, 2008 2:44 AM PDT up reply actions
Did we reach the end of nesting just now?
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by BrettJMiller on Mar 30, 2008 2:45 AM PDT up reply actions
Honestly, I slacked off ...
while working there during overnights.
Shit, none of us here would be satisfied with that gig over the long haul; thus, there's no reason to use that as a shot at me.
I'd've eventually quit at some point -- as I even tried to resign a few weeks before my firing, but was asked to stay on through the summer -- but that's neither here nor there.
I'm amazed that y'all remember that shit, though.
When someone fails so badly
That they get fired from a job that literally anybody can get as long as they have a pulse, it's really, really, really funny.
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by BrettJMiller on Mar 30, 2008 2:45 AM PDT up reply actions
It's stuck in my mind
Generally in the context of "How the fuck does someone who went to community college and was subsequently fired from a 7/11 think he's so important/intelligent?"
by Graham MacAree on Mar 30, 2008 2:45 AM PDT up reply actions
Drugs. Lots and lots of drugs.
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by BrettJMiller on Mar 30, 2008 2:45 AM PDT up reply actions
Speaking of remembering...
I'm glad you're here. Your presence reminded me I forgot to shave my balls.
...and now I'm here
Ironically, I'm a proponent ...
of shaving one's pubic hair.
Whether you're a guy or girl, it's vile to have hair down there.
Normally that's understandable.
Though in your case, I'd worry about mistaking your penis for your pubes.
...and now I'm here
No, this wasn't very good.
I'm going to stop the sex jokes.
...and now I'm here
Closer. Not bad.
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by BrettJMiller on Mar 30, 2008 2:49 AM PDT up reply actions
Ok, good to know?
Fucking moron.
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by BrettJMiller on Mar 30, 2008 2:53 AM PDT up reply actions
Meaner. And more relevant.
Try making fun of his family, or saying that his future kids will kill themselves once they realize how pathetic their dad is.
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by BrettJMiller on Mar 30, 2008 2:47 AM PDT up reply actions
Future kids...*shudder*
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by BrettJMiller on Mar 30, 2008 2:48 AM PDT up reply actions
They'll probably be vegetables, of course
The benefit of being in such a situation is they'll never get fired from their local convenience store, so hey that's nice.
by Graham MacAree on Mar 30, 2008 2:49 AM PDT up reply actions
Please tell me that "done here"
means hanging yourself or at least leaving LL for good.
Seriously, nobody fucking likes you.
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by BrettJMiller on Mar 30, 2008 2:55 AM PDT up reply actions
We don't need to be worked up.
We have work to work us up.
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I work part-time nowadays, ...
but that's still a good shot at me.
I'll give you points.
As an atheist, though, I'm not too fond of Judaism.
NAZI
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by BrettJMiller on Mar 30, 2008 3:05 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, uh, ...
I'm a libertarian minarchist.
That's not quite the same as a facist populist, which was Adolf Hitler's claim to fame. Hitler hid his true intentions under the disguise of Christian socalism, but now we all know his true intent.
Anyhow, I'm just an atheist.
NAZI NAZI NAZI
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by BrettJMiller on Mar 30, 2008 3:09 AM PDT up reply actions
Threatening people + talking politics
= TEMPORARY BANHAMMER'D
by Graham MacAree on Mar 30, 2008 3:09 AM PDT up reply actions
British people have superpowers :(
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by BrettJMiller on Mar 30, 2008 3:10 AM PDT up reply actions
I bet you $5.00 you don't know anything about it.
...and now I'm here
You're starting to get this.
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by BrettJMiller on Mar 30, 2008 3:09 AM PDT up reply actions
I revise my original statement
We don't negotiate with terrorists.
by Mariner John on Mar 31, 2008 11:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Just keep telling yourself that.
Enjoy your retard sister, if you can ever get her to spread her legs for you.
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by BrettJMiller on Mar 30, 2008 3:01 AM PDT up reply actions
Can't say the feeling of respect is mutual.
But you know what they say, if you can't say anything nice, just take it out talking about how AK tries to bone his retarded family members.
That's what I always heard in school anyway.
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by BrettJMiller on Mar 30, 2008 3:05 AM PDT up reply actions
What the fuck?
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by BrettJMiller on Mar 30, 2008 3:38 AM PDT up reply actions
Oh now I get it. Sorry Coach.
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by BrettJMiller on Mar 30, 2008 3:40 AM PDT up reply actions
Much like your girlfriends.
...and now I'm here
This entire thread
Would have been much funnier had AK1984Interpreter hung in for the whole thing.
The user formerly known as Sec 108.
I whacked it in the Slurpee machine
using nacho cheese as lubricant
by AK1984Interpreter on Mar 30, 2008 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions
According to baseball musing's
lineup tool, using the 2004 model and last years totals this lineup would score 4.832 runs per game.
The best possible lineup with these players according to the tool would score 4.95 runs per game.
The poster formerly known as Matt.
How much of a difference does it make
that the projection systems tend to dislike Ichiro?
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no clue. 20, 30 runs max I would assume.
I get it somewhat, I'm pretty down on our offense too, but we did score, and deserved to score, 780+ runs last year, so to get to ~700, we'd need:
-Johjima to collapse
-No improvement from Richie, Lopez, Yuni or Beltre
-Ibanez to fall apart
-Ichiro to fall back
-Wilkerson to suck
Could that happen? Sure. But I have no idea why that's the consensus instead of the worst-case scenario.
Guessing:
Projections have drop offs for age, most of our players are old, our young players are not known for their running scoring abilities.
Projections hate Ichiro (add 20 runs, ~720), Projections rightfully so hate Vidro (If he actually manages to pull what he did last year, add 15+), Guillen to Wilkerson is probably 10 or so runs, and all old players probably get an immediate -5 by the projection systems, simply for being old.
That's just my guess though. Thoughts?
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Guillen to Wilkerson, 10 runs....
you mean minus 10, right?
Guillen last year in Safeco (Pitchers Park): .290/.353/.460/.813
Wilkerson last year in Texas (Hitters Park): .234/.319/.467/.786
You need a healthy dose of BABIP with a side offollow up research
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by BrettJMiller on Mar 29, 2008 11:39 PM PDT up reply actions
Also: Defense
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by BrettJMiller on Mar 29, 2008 11:39 PM PDT up reply actions
In this case, we're only talking about estimated runs scored in projections.
So defense is not relevant.
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Yeah.
I'm trying to explain the difference in projections. We scored 780 last year, but the team is essentially the same, and we're projected for 700.
780 -
20 (Ichiro not being liked by projection systems)
10 (Guillen to Wilkerson in projections)
10 (Vidro's natural loss since it is unlikely his season repeats)
30 (Vidro, Ibanez , Sexson, Johjima, Ichiro natural age drop offs in projections - Ibanez gets 10 since he's a corpse.
5 (Betancourt's likely lack of clutchiness)
5 (Bench sucks)
=700
...and now I'm here
bleh
i know this lineup is no surprise, but it just looks so underwhelming. Wilkerson is a terrible "upgrade" over Guillen in my uninformed opinion, mildly improved defense or no. the flailing train wreck that is Sexson. Lopez.... well, fucking Lopez. Yuni seems to either kick ass or disappear for a month. McLaren's old hag game "management", and his bench of misfits...
could see a lot of 4-2 losses out of this lineup. hope i'm wrong.
by lemonverbena on Mar 30, 2008 1:06 AM PDT up reply actions
i keep trying and trying and trying
but theres just not very much interesting about this lineup. It's unfortunate, as this is supposed to be "the year", but I'm pretty meh about them all (with a few exceptions). Hope they grow on me.
Wow, that's a crappy line-up
New Mariner fan here- as a former New Yorker let me say sorry for having to experience the horror that is Miguel Cairo. It seems McLaren and Joe Torre went to the same school of loving "veteran" players who are scrappy. I know we're stuck with Sexson and his 15 million per year, but was it that difficult this offseason to put Ibanez in at DH and find two outfielders who were marginally good defensively and replacement level hitters? I could never understand why my Mariner friends hated Bavasi but seeing things up close and personal now I understand. I'm not verysmart, but it seems to me that if pitching is the strength of your team you ought to at least have someone who can get to a ball in the outfield. And your benchwould only suck more if you had Andy Phillips on it.
Welcome to LL.
Apologies in advance for any shit and/or abuse we give you if/when you bring up ideas that have already been discussed or shot down.
Hope you enjoy suffering, because that's what you've decided to subject yourself to by being a Mariners fan. :)
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by BrettJMiller on Mar 29, 2008 11:44 PM PDT up reply actions
That would be when...
but I look forward to ridicule and humiliation. New to the area and I have two questions. The first, I would imagine, has been asked by many- Why is Bill Bavasi still employed by this organization?
The second question arose during my first Mariner game last year- What's up with the Nazi-like stadium decorum? No swearing, "public displays of affection" (which I would guess to mean no head in the 300 levels), everyone sits until the big scoreboard orders them to stand and cheer and then, once the board goes dark, people sit again. No place to smoke in the stadium except in a box outside in the rain and if your foot is outside of the box staff yell at you. No "offensive t-shirts" or signs. Can there be a more regulated environment to watch a game?
I do like the extensive beer selection though.
Bavasi>McLaren
Also, his replacement isn't likely to be much better, given who's doing the hiring.
Seattle is PC. Also, many M's fans are casual and/or mildly retarded. And no one will kick you out for swearing unless you swear in front of easily offended mother/children or are drunk or both.
We don't negotiate with terrorists.
by Mariner John on Mar 30, 2008 12:02 AM PDT up reply actions
Promotional ideas
Well I have submitted numerous promotional ideas to management to liven up the games:
1) MILF Day: MILF's get in free and get free beer.
2) D- Cell Day: Instead of bobbleheads, fans get free batteries and get to throw them at players/management.
3) No sandals/No Socks Day: No fans wearing that combination are allowed entry- what's up with that? Seattleittes LOVE the socks and sandals! It is like New Yorkers and their wife beaters.
4) Hetero Day: Only straights allowed but it should be held during a Seattle Storm home game so GLBTrans community has entertainment options.
I like the battery idea
Sounds like a good way to "energize" this offense
Eh? Nothing? Kay.....
You quit the Yankees.
So you've clearly got some smarts in you.
Also, to follow up to this comment and the one below, our organization is run by fucktarded ape penises.
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Er... above.
I fail at understanding comment hierarchies.
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and a basic understanding of comment hierarchy
is essential if you want to credibly call people fucktarded ape penises.
Raul's not bad.
For as much shit as I give him he's actually pretty good. The problem is he's terrible vs. lefties and sucks as defense. But vs. RHP he's probably our best hitter.
Lopez and Sexson I can agree on.
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by BrettJMiller on Mar 30, 2008 1:04 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah Raul can hit righties, that's a fact
but if, say, 8-9-1 are coming up in an inning, I'm gonna feel a lot more hopetimistic than if the 2-3-4 hitters were. Which is just wrong. The order does not have a very good heart. We're like the tin man of MLB lineups.
But we had a heart all along!
And Bavasi! Why....you had a brain all this time! And we always had Courage too!
It's like we traveled all the way to see this mother fucking wizard for nothing!
Previously NoNameX -- Go M's!
(Bavasi)
I could wile away the hours
Disregardin' Mike Blowers
Consultin' with the trained
And my head I'd be scratchin'
While good trades were busy hatchin'
If I only had a brain
I'd put defense in the field
So runs they will not wield
Regardless of the rain.
(LL)
If you weren't such a zero
You could be another Shapiro
If you only had a brain
(Bavasi)
Oh, I would tell you why
That Vidro will not score
I could do some math I never done before
And then I think we'd finally score
I would not be just a nuffin'
My head all full of stuffin'
Throwing money down the drain
I could start to really brag
'Cause we'd have a good pythag
If I only had a brain
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I thought it would be more clever than it was.
About halfway through I was too committed to stop.
...and now I'm here
Haha
You get effort points, thats for sure...
I've done better.
It's 2:40 AM.
Here's a poor image, to go along with my poor song.
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I'm not enjoying not knowing who is responding to me.
...and now I'm here
It's rather confusing at times.
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by BrettJMiller on Mar 30, 2008 2:55 AM PDT up reply actions
For LL, especially,
it is an impressive inconvenience.
When search works, I want to find the "Corco Phenomenon" thread and see if it just has the word "Test" in a straight line for like 150 comments.
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The Internet.
It's Serious Business.
If Pinocchio has a cocaine problem and he lies about it, does that make it worse?
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