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Community Projection Results: Jose Lopez

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AB:
536 (524)
2B: 26 (17)
3B: 3 (2)
HR: 14 (11)
HBP: 5 (5)
BB: 28 (20)
K: 68 (64)
SB: 5 (2)
CS: 3 (3)
GB%: 47 (46)

BA: .277 (.252)
OBP: .319 (.286)
SLG: .416 (.355)
IsoPa: .042 (.034)
IsoPo: .139 (.103)

I was going to open with a remark about how the Mariner blogosphere still has a good bit of faith in Lopez's ability, but then I looked at last year's community projection (.285/.330/.435) and decided that the ~4% drop in forecasted OPS suggests that a significant number of people are beginning to lose patience.

And who can blame them? Lopez's 2007 was one of the worst seasons we've seen from an everyday player in years and years. He took zero steps forward and countless steps back, all at an age when you're supposed to be putting things together. It wasn't enough that his numbers were awful; he plum looked awful, too, right down to the all-wrist swing and occasional defensive lapses. If you knew nothing about Lopez's history and watched him a few times in September, you'd probably come away wondering how that man could possibly have a job.

And yet, we know the talent's in there somewhere. We've seen it. Lopez will never be mistaken for someone with a discerning eye, but we've seen him hit the ball hard into the gap and harder over the fence. We know there's more to him than he showed in 2006, and a *lot* more to him than he showed in 2007. And the community is cautiously optimistic that he'll recover some of that ability and have a good season. A .735 OPS for a 24 year old right-handed second baseman in Safeco is nothing to sneeze at, and would significantly help Lopez get his career back on track.

It's that natural talent that drives us crazy. It'd be one thing if Lopez were Ecksteining the crap out of his skillset, but the fact that he's capable of so much more is what makes him such a letdown. It's hard not to blame Lopez himself for not turning his ability into something more by now. God knows he's had enough time. I know it's fun to be angry at the organization for trying to get him to go the other way more often, but that isn't a valid reason for why he bails out on so many at bats. That's Lopez's own fault. He badly needs to improve his selectivity and swing with a little more confidence. Do that and he should be able to meet the community's projection. If he doesn't, he won't come close.

I'll say this: while I can't be sure about which path Lopez will take, his future in Seattle will depend on his taking some substantial strides forward. We know the front office and coaching staff are dissatisfied. The onus is on Lopez to come out of the gate playing well, impress McLaren from the two-slot, and avoid another summer collapse. Another year like the last two will probably be his last as a Mariner. Lopez needs to get going, because before long it will be too late.

Of all the non-Felix community projections, I think this is the one I want to come true the most.

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In the first few months of 2006,

Jose Lopez was the best hitter on the Mariners, batting second. He made the All-Star team.

I'm still a bit bemused as to what the hell happened.

by Graham on Mar 27, 2008 9:10 AM PDT   0 recs

I vaguely remember Cammy being the same sort of way in 2000, but I may be wrong.

But Lopez has never hit real well at home.

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by IcebreakerX on Mar 27, 2008 9:44 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

It's obviously not a good environment for him

but he hasn't exactly lit the world aflame on the road. I don't think you can hold Safeco responsible for the entirety of his dilemma.

by Jeff on Mar 27, 2008 9:48 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Ask Ian Kinsler

he's been wondering about the same thing

the artist formerly known as Mere Tantalisers.

by Bearskin Rugburn on Mar 27, 2008 9:23 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I could have been clearer

he had the same phenotype in 06, but seemed to have recovered better from it.

the artist formerly known as Mere Tantalisers.

by Bearskin Rugburn on Mar 27, 2008 9:36 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I want to trust Lopez as well.

And it is a swift kick to the balls seeing Asdrubal Cabrera maturing quite nicely in Cleveland, almost like a young Jose Vidro.

by Wilder. on Mar 27, 2008 9:42 AM PDT   0 recs

So, if Lopez doesn't start hitting

is Mac really going to run Vidro/Cairo/Princess/Morse out there? I can't possibly fathom how that is an improvement.

by BrianL on Mar 27, 2008 10:00 AM PDT   0 recs

"Ecksteining"

I find the use of this term interesting in a Sabremet guy. Firejoemorgan.com had convinced me that sabremetric believers don't buy that there is anything interesting or admirable about what Eckstein does. He's just an average or slightly below that SS and that's all anyone should think. Which, don't get me wrong, that IS all there is to it from a statistical percpective. He's a decent leadoff guy and a good stop-gap at short if you don't have a star or hot prospect to put there, no less and no more.

But the reason people find him fun to watch is that by all rights, he really shouldn't be as good as "average" since his build is at the far end of sub-par. Yet, he has earned himself a spot as an "average" player among the best in the world, mostly by drawing on everything he can possibly draw out of what skills he does have.

I also would have thought that Eckstein's status as a former Angel would disqualify him from recognition around here, but I suppose in retrospect that three years is probably enough to overcome emnity for former players of rival teams.

So props for proving me wrong on both counts.

~Till the Halo burns out...

by Zu Long on Mar 27, 2008 10:33 AM PDT   0 recs

We still hate Guillen.

Hatred of former players for rival teams is nothing compared to hatred of former players for YOUR team who crapped out on you.

~Till the Halo burns out...

by Zu Long on Mar 27, 2008 10:41 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Sorry, misread your post.

Instead of: "emnity for former players of rival teams"

I read: "emnity for former players OR rival teams"

Caffeine levels dangerously low.

by BrianL on Mar 27, 2008 10:45 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Are we sure

he didn't give a shit about his dead brother?

by Gomez on Mar 27, 2008 12:01 PM PDT   0 recs

It's not an excuse

But don't pretend it didn't happen.

by Gomez on Mar 27, 2008 12:10 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I don't believe it was much of a factor in anything

therefore I didn't find it necessary to bring it up.

by Jeff on Mar 27, 2008 2:10 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

He sucked it up in late '06 too

Was he having visions of his brother's death or something?

by Graham on Mar 27, 2008 12:03 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

fine, fine

i'll leave.

you guys aren't very welcoming. ban me or whatever.

by stlcardinalsfang on Mar 27, 2008 12:02 PM PDT   0 recs

Not very welcoming?

What, did you want a hug and some hot chocolate? It's a bit chilly, can we get you a sweater?

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Mar 27, 2008 12:41 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

oh here,

have a nice warm glass of get the sand out of your fucking vagina and quit whining

the artist formerly known as Mere Tantalisers.

by Bearskin Rugburn on Mar 27, 2008 1:51 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I don't know

it took two threads to be shot of him. I think we're all just adjusting to the new digs. Bonus points, though, for him leaving in a thread in which nobody was really addressing him.

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Mar 27, 2008 1:56 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Everybody's weak now and again

I'm sure you'll rally soon enough.

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Mar 27, 2008 2:06 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

who the fuck are you?

What about this projection did you take as a personal affront?

by marc w on Mar 27, 2008 2:04 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

And he's "seattlesucks" on Field Gulls

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by BrettJMiller on Mar 27, 2008 4:22 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Ah.

Sad.

...and now I'm here

by Librocrat on Mar 27, 2008 4:31 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

why is it sad?

i guess the cat's out of the bag.

by stlcardinalsfang on Mar 27, 2008 6:31 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Because it proves you're clearly delusional.

And the psychology student in me won't allow me to make fun of you as I normally would.

...and now I'm here

by Librocrat on Mar 27, 2008 6:37 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

You think Seattle sucks.

Ergo, I can't trust your opinion on anything.

...and now I'm here

by Librocrat on Mar 27, 2008 10:28 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

But okay, seriously

I get the sinking feeling that Lopez will come up empty, get non-tendered, land with the Giants or somebody and then blow up and become the player we hoped he'd be?

That said, he allegedly was pulling the ball well this spring, and chances are we'll see a rebound to the form that landed him in the All Star Game in '06.

by Gomez on Mar 27, 2008 12:16 PM PDT   0 recs

Lopez has looked lost at the plate

Every time I've seen him this spring.

I'd love to see him do well, but I've got very little faith in him these days.

by Graham on Mar 27, 2008 12:17 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Might be this organization...

It sucks, but it's entirely possible that he's very unhappy here and would be rejuvenated by being traded/given to another organization.

Ill Ligitamus Non Carberendum

by PositivePaul on Mar 27, 2008 12:43 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I've never really bought into that line of thinking

But you could be right, I guess. I just don't understand how he could forget how to swing the bat.

by Graham on Mar 27, 2008 12:46 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

It's not the mechanics of the swing

it's the head games of "I don't like it here". People sulk, people brood, and as much as we tend to think otherwise, athletes are people too; I've had jobs where I didn't like my working environment, and it did affect how I worked. So maybe he does need a change of scenery; I hope he can turn it around here, but if not I'd like to see him do well somewhere.

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Mar 27, 2008 12:48 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Nope, it's all on green-lined graph paper

done with protractors and compasses, and the occasional slide rule. Get with the times, wouldya?

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Mar 27, 2008 12:51 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

If that is the case,

Then Lopez reminds me too much of Player A.

by ThundaPC on Mar 27, 2008 12:50 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

bite your tongue

I don't think Lopez will douchebag his way out of town if he ends up going somewhere.

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Mar 27, 2008 12:51 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

If he didn't like it here, why did he sign a 4-year extension?

I just don't think that line of reasoning adds up in this case.

Maybe Lopez will never be as good as we thought he would be. There are plenty of players who had fluke seasons, but they never pulled it together to make it a career. It's just one of those things you can't explain. I doubt the player knows himself because they would correct the problem otherwise.

by Wilder. on Mar 27, 2008 12:53 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

It's not just a case of a fluky good half of 2006

He was always a highly regarded, good middle infield prospect, going along a sensible career curve. And then he fell apart.

by Graham on Mar 27, 2008 12:57 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

To me...

A huge part of being a highly-regarded prospect includes being headstrong. That tool seems to have disappeared in this case, if it was even around to begin with.

Ill Ligitamus Non Carberendum

by PositivePaul on Mar 27, 2008 12:59 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Well, yeah, but his solid first half of 2006 is all we have to hang onto now.

He isn't going back to the minors to continue along the development path that made him into the player we thought he was going to be.

I honestly believe having Lopez hit second in the lineup is going to be a good thing. This season is going to be an ultimatum season for Lopez; we will know by the end of the year what kind of talent he truly has.

by Wilder. on Mar 27, 2008 1:07 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Hitting him second is bad

it gives more AB's to our worst hitter and it encourages Lopez to do stupid throwback stuff instead of pull the crap out of the ball.

by Jeff on Mar 27, 2008 2:08 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

it may actually help the sorry bastard

and its not like he'll stick there very long if he sucks. I know McLaren has been characterized as trying to be everybody's friend and all that, but I'm sure he'd rather be a big league manager than Lopez' buddy.

the artist formerly known as Mere Tantalisers.

by Bearskin Rugburn on Mar 27, 2008 2:14 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

If by help him you mean

Lower the expectations of him from "consistent extra base threat" to "bunt the runner over," then yes, having McLaren put him in the 2 hole will make life easier for him. But real help would come from a) moving Lopez out of the 2 hole and b) doing away with the stupid 2 hole roleplaying entirely.

Beltre should bat second and rather than trying to play buntsies, he should be set loose on the increased fastball % with Ichiro on base. Instead of "move the runner over," let's "bring the fucker home."

by Jordan of Boise on Mar 27, 2008 3:43 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Um

If he does suck can we at least keep him as a bench player? They always trade my favorite players. If not, I will threaten you by saying the truth: Felix is next in line.

I have so little.

by Slica on Mar 27, 2008 3:34 PM PDT   0 recs

If this comes true

I'll eat my left foot.

Curse you, Detroit Lions!

by Coach Owens on Mar 27, 2008 5:13 PM PDT   0 recs

Exactly.

Believe you me.

Curse you, Detroit Lions!

by Coach Owens on Mar 27, 2008 5:22 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

What's not to like?

No Power. No Speed. 3-year OBP an even .300. OPS .653 in 601 AB after the all star break the past 3 seasons. Shall I go on? Slightly above average glove (debatalbe I guess).

Here's the dirtly little secret about our "top prospect" Jose Lopez that nobody talks about: Lopez was NOT GOOD in the minors. He was OK. The article above talks about getting him back on track. Back on track for what? He has never done anything. Accept it. Let's review his minor league career:

AB, BA/HR/RBI/R/SB/OPS:
-2001 A-Everett: 289 AB, .256/2/20/42/13/.636 Rocky Start
-2002 A-San Berndno: 522 AB, .323/8/60/82/31/.823 He ruled Single A!!!
-2003 AA-San Antonio: 538 AB, .258/13/69/82/18/.705 (Look familiar? We'd take that even that limited power and speed now please.)
-2004 AAA-Tacoma: 275 AB, .295/13/39/40/5/.847
-2005 AAA-Tacoma: 182 AB, .319/5/31/29/2/.859

Now we'd take the BA and OPS from AAA if we could get it. But unfortuantely, that's AAA in very limited AB. So why do people expect Lopez to be any better than he is now? He is who he is. M's should have realized that and dealt him after the 2006 season. NYP!

http://marinerlog.blogspot.com/

by DrawingFlies on Mar 28, 2008 11:09 AM PDT   0 recs

Or some bees?

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Mar 28, 2008 12:55 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Bees riding flesh eating ponies.

I am about to make this happen.

by Graham on Mar 28, 2008 12:56 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

It's the rarely spoken of 5th Horse of the Apocolypse.

If Pinocchio has a cocaine problem and he lies about it, does that make it worse?

by Goose on Mar 28, 2008 1:03 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

that is impressive indeed

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Mar 28, 2008 2:03 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I specialise in strutural biomechanics,

sustainable structural engineering, MS Paint, and being mean.

It's a wonderful course of study that has given me many useful skills.

by Graham on Mar 28, 2008 2:05 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

The full Renaissance bit, really

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Mar 28, 2008 2:06 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Only 2 recs?

I'm hurt, guys.

by Graham on Mar 28, 2008 2:47 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Who knew you were a sensitive snowflake?

Wipe away those tears, I just recommended it.

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Mar 28, 2008 2:52 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs