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Galagaship_tiny by clockwerks on Comment 443 comments

Dear LL,

I know that some of y'all were apprehensive about this move of your community to a new, confangled blogging and commenting platform. For the last year, as our team worked to design and build what we call SB Nation 2.0, I read all the blogs in our network. In fact, that's almost the only internet reading I did, including a lot of diaries. And awhile back I noticed a thread one of you started up to discuss this big change coming. So I jumped in to answer questions, explain how we approached this and to listen closely to your feedback. A few of you had some great, constructive input. I hope that we can continue those type of conversations about how we've updated things around here.

We've migrated 12 blogs to the new platform now and since every community in SB Nation is a unique place, with a different set of characters that create a particular culture of memes (and dead ones) so we know we're going to get new bugs, new feature requests and a new perspective on the changes we've made to the home of your community. And I know that's what y'all plan to give us. That's fine - we'll take everything you send our way.

Typically, I just post a big summary of everything that's new and everything that has changed. And I did that again. You'll find that post down below. But, before you get started with everything, I want to unveil two new changes we completed in the last couple of days, based the feedback we received from you here at LL and some of our other SB Nation blogs:

  1. Avatars are optional. I know y'all had planned a big revolution where everyone would show their solidarity by opting out of an avatar. Well, consider this new feature the ultimate black armband. Now you can go to Edit Settings and flip 'Display member avatars / profile images?' to 'No'.
  2. Wide layout option. Inspired (somewhat) by the Microsoft Paint artwork you posted in the threads that cried out for us to stop wasting space, we decided to provide a layout option with a wider version of the main content area. Now, in the menu box, you can click the two links/icons to flip back and forth between the wide and narrow options. I'm sure many of you will want to utilize the wide version that is optimized for large monitors and higher resolutions

This platform is still in beta and we continue to evolve it based on what we hear from each new blog community we transition. We're listening. And here's the deal: if you take the time to provide us good, constructive feedback, we'll work hard to integrate that into the changes we make going forward.

We know you were comfortable with where the LL community lived before and we know we've moved you into a brand new home where everything is arranged differently. Jeff has hung up the same pictures and brought over the furniture, but it just doesn't feel the same. The lighting is fancy and there are all sorts of new knobs and switches. Give it and us some time. We'll be around to answer your questions, fix bugs and help you out.

thanks,
Trei

 

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whoa autocomments are weird

that scared me when your's just showed up

by I'm NOT Corco on Mar 26, 2008 12:33 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I feel like

its a race.

Like im worried something will pop up before mine and i'll have to re-word to make sense.

even though that doesnt really...make.....sense.

by PShwa on Mar 26, 2008 12:34 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah

never more should we have double posts.

That's kinda sad

by I'm NOT Corco on Mar 26, 2008 12:35 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

OK, seriously Trei you are the man

Wide and optional avatars make life really good.

Thanks.

by I'm NOT Corco on Mar 26, 2008 12:28 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

So this is the new LL

I feel like a meteor hit the earth and I'm the only survivor.

LET WLAD BAT!!!!

by MFAN on Mar 26, 2008 12:29 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Options

Thanks a bunch.

That should lead to much less bitching.

Even though I was definitely looking forward to it.

by PShwa on Mar 26, 2008 12:29 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Actually

It's not that bad, I'll grow to love the new format.

by MFAN on Mar 26, 2008 12:33 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

True

With the better screen width and the avatars, it's pretty nice. Load times are the only thing I'm still sad about besides FanShots

by I'm NOT Corco on Mar 26, 2008 12:34 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

we're still working on load times

but we made some improvements to that today (yesterday?) as well

I'm one of the guys that built the new SB Nation

by clockwerks on Mar 26, 2008 12:35 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It's actually loading real fast for me

but that's probably because I'm special.

by MFAN on Mar 26, 2008 12:37 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Load times arent terrible

The one thing I dont like is the comment thing.

the auto comments and like...the annoying background color meaning its new.

I want [new]

and holy crap whats that thing that popped up on my screen on the bottom right?

"new post: clockwerks"

by PShwa on Mar 26, 2008 12:36 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

you want to press the Z key on your keyboard

it warms your heart, like magic

I'm one of the guys who built the new SB Nation. Please don't hesitate to give us feedback.

by sixfoot6 on Mar 26, 2008 12:37 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   1 recs

With it being wide

and being able to disable avatars, it's not so bad.

Okay, now we need to get rid of the mandatory preview and add a [new] for easy search browsing.

Otherwise I think I can adapt.

AN loaded a little slower on my phone, and while this is a little bit slow too, it's not so bad. But faster mobile support would be nice.

Yesterday's Pants
A blog-thingy about the Mariners and stuff.

by BrettJMiller on Mar 26, 2008 12:37 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Agreed

Mandatory preview is bothersome.

by PShwa on Mar 26, 2008 12:39 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

it's an easy and useful extra step

especially if you're using all keystrokes. try this:

type your comment, tab to preview button, hit return, quickly check yer preview, hit return again

look ma, no mouse!

I'm one of the guys that built the new SB Nation

by clockwerks on Mar 26, 2008 12:42 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Bah.

Totally unnecessary, especially for rapid-pace game threads.

Yesterday's Pants
A blog-thingy about the Mariners and stuff.

by BrettJMiller on Mar 26, 2008 12:43 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

they haven't slowed any of the other blogs down yet

are you saying you're slower than AN or HH?

I'm one of the guys that built the new SB Nation

by clockwerks on Mar 26, 2008 12:44 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yes, it's possible

we're still watching how it works out for all the blogs we've migrated to the new platform. so far, so good.

I'm one of the guys that built the new SB Nation

by clockwerks on Mar 26, 2008 12:49 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm not saying I can't get used to it. Just saying it doesn't make much sense.

People who are going to post stupid stuff are going to do it whether or not they have to preview first. I don't really care if I miss a typo or something, and I'm sure most people won't even look at their preview before they post it. It's a novel idea and I can get used to it. But it just is really, really unnecessary.

Yesterday's Pants
A blog-thingy about the Mariners and stuff.

by BrettJMiller on Mar 26, 2008 12:46 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It would be nice to get rid of mandatory previews

But I can get used to it. My job adds extra steps to processes all the time...

by ThundaPC on Mar 26, 2008 12:44 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I guess the real question now is

What are the "Corco Phenomenon" width limits on the wide version?

This will be tested eventually

by I'm NOT Corco on Mar 26, 2008 12:39 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

:Crawls out from under desk:

First quick impressions:

Optional avatars? Awesome.
Wider screen? Also awesome. Though, for us 1680x1050 types, will there be more options in the future?

Mandatory Preview, still needs to go. Making it optional like the avatars, would also be awesome.

It's gonna take some getting used too. But now that the bomb has dropped, I think ultimately we can live with it, barring some improvements.

Thanks for listening to our concerns. You probably saved a few hobo's lives by doing so. I imagine NFE(New Format Emotion) would be twice as worse as GTE.

M's/D-backs fan.

These pretzels....are making me thirsty!

by Goose on Mar 26, 2008 12:41 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Nice

Disable Avatars and Widescreen. So far so good. If we can make previewing posts optional I think it will be a pretty smooth transition.

by ThundaPC on Mar 26, 2008 12:41 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

"Work Harder, Not Smarter"

This slogan should be the other way around!

by MFAN on Mar 26, 2008 12:43 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Oh xenu a comment popped up WHILE I WAS READING

I was actually scared.

Y'know, this isn't too bad. Other than the fact that 'FanShot' and 'FanPost' are still quite stupid names for anything ever, I can dig the new LL.

MLS Seattle

by Nick S on Mar 26, 2008 12:48 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

once you get over how spooky it is

the live updating comments are really cool. it's almost like being there.

it's me, JP

by JP on Mar 26, 2008 12:51 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

MLS, what is it about the names that bothers you?

I lobbied for "HopeDiary" and "SnugglePost", but Trei wouldn't go for it.

I'm one of the guys who built the new SB Nation. Please don't hesitate to give us feedback.

by sixfoot6 on Mar 26, 2008 12:53 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

How about

Diaries and totally remove fan shots?

I'm pretty sure Fan Shots aren't going to go over too well. Especially since you can put pictures in diaries anyway, so it just seems redundant.

Yesterday's Pants
A blog-thingy about the Mariners and stuff.

by BrettJMiller on Mar 26, 2008 12:58 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It sounds... cutesy or something.

I've NeverLiked using or reading CapsLikeThis. I'd prefer just 'diaries' and 'fan photos' or something simple like that. The wide screen feature is awesome btw, especially for my MacBook. aughhh more stupid caps

No worries on the name thing.

MLS Seattle

by Nick S on Mar 26, 2008 12:59 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I talked to a few people about this yesterday

think about some of the other terms we've gotten used to. "Diaries"? "Blog"? "Fantasy" baseball?

Even if you're not a fan of "FanShots", you'll get used to it in no time.

by Jeff on Mar 26, 2008 7:20 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

sorry, Nick S

somehow i mistook your sig for your name

I'm one of the guys who built the new SB Nation. Please don't hesitate to give us feedback.

by sixfoot6 on Mar 26, 2008 12:56 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

How tall are you?

I kid, I kid.

...and now I'm here

by Librocrat on Mar 26, 2008 1:13 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Nice work on the wide screen

I felt kind of claustrophobic with the narrow screen, but the wide screen view makes me pretty happy.

by ubelmann on Mar 26, 2008 12:51 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Funny.

I think it's odd that these two small differences (wide layout and disabling avatars) makes a big difference.

Though I'm not convinced yet.

...and now I'm here

by Librocrat on Mar 26, 2008 12:54 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

By the way, Trei

Regardless of how I feel about the new format, thanks a lot for reserving screen names. Not like anyone was going to steal mine, but I'm grown fond of using this one, so seeing it was saved for me was incredibly pleasing.

...and now I'm here

by Librocrat on Mar 26, 2008 12:55 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

See?

We don't pay any attention to the previews anyways.

New 2.0 sig coming soon.

by Goose on Mar 26, 2008 12:58 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

God know.

I have more comments I need to leave. I can't waste time reading the comments I already typed.

...and now I'm here

by Librocrat on Mar 26, 2008 12:59 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

God "NO"

GOD DAMMIT

...and now I'm here

by Librocrat on Mar 26, 2008 12:59 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Did you do this

only because you knew we'd miss double posts?

or is that like a quadruple fail?

by PShwa on Mar 26, 2008 1:03 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Actually...

I praised the site and it proceeded to shit itself.

Detect-O-Vision
Favor the Bold

by IcebreakerX on Mar 26, 2008 1:07 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

so we're settling on quadruple fail?

but its okay. we can blame in on getting used to the new format.

by PShwa on Mar 26, 2008 1:10 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

sorry about that

running some routine late night stuff when there is usually little activity

I'm one of the guys that built the new SB Nation

by clockwerks on Mar 26, 2008 1:11 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Especially when there is baseball on..

The 2007 home run derby is on ESPN right now (in Arizona anyways) any incarnation of baseball instantly makes me want to jump on to LL - very Pavlov like.

by seattlesundevil on Mar 26, 2008 1:13 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Agreed.

However, it needs to stand up to game thread pressure before I give it my full endorsement. Same with live updates.

New 2.0 sig coming soon.

by Goose on Mar 26, 2008 1:09 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Exactly - that will be the true test.

Good thing we only have to wait another 5 days. And I will be coming from Arizona to Seattle for it WOO!

by seattlesundevil on Mar 26, 2008 1:11 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I am going to reserve judgement until GTE kicks in

And holy shit PShwa - it is a bit creepy to see people's comments pop up while I am typing.. Game Threads ought to be interesting.. It is looking like it is more of a live chat

by seattlesundevil on Mar 26, 2008 1:04 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Fanshots

They seem....redundant to me. If we wanted our own little section to post pictures of videos we'd just make a dair....err fanpost.

I see we have the option of deciding how many fanposts, fanshots, ect we want to view on the page. How about adding a 0 option in there? So we can basically turn fanshots off.

New 2.0 sig coming soon.

by Goose on Mar 26, 2008 1:04 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No way man...

It gives Paul and I more places to show our cache of pictures.

Detect-O-Vision
Favor the Bold

by IcebreakerX on Mar 26, 2008 1:08 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Quick thoughts on SB Nation 2.0

Honestly, even during its early rollout with Athletics Nation I always liked the idea of having a lot of built in content. I kinda like having schedules, rosters, news, etc. right on the site.

My main concern was the general feel of the site. I didn't want this at the expense of a nice, easy interface of the old Lookout Landling. Scrunched up columns and comments? Avatars that are too small to be effective and annoying in numerous numbers? Yuck.

MAJOR props to Trei and friends for including Widescreen and the disabling of avatars. That instantly made me want to check out what the new SB has the offer.

In all honesty, the new comment system is friggin' sweet. Live updates without refreshing!? That means no more hammering the server with non-stop refreshing during game threads...possibly. Take out mandatory previews and I think this would be a pretty big upgrade over what we had before.

I'm on board the new format. So far, I like what I see.

Added Note: Speaking of previews, I tried hitting the preview button earlier but it wouldn't respond (possibly due to server lag). I had to copy my text and hit the refresh butting (knowing I would lose my text). Probably just an early bug that will be fixed but just something to note.

by ThundaPC on Mar 26, 2008 1:06 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

lag was due to some heavy database activity

we were doing backups and some heavy clean-up of content that came through in the import during migraton

I'm one of the guys that built the new SB Nation

by clockwerks on Mar 26, 2008 1:09 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Can I just add

that the preview of the new format WAS on AN. And their team colors are just obnoxious.

Seeing a new format in bright yellow and nasty green is much more annoying than navy-ish and teal-ish.

That might have added to our hatred. Just my two cents.

by PShwa on Mar 26, 2008 1:09 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'll second this.

Our colors are nicer.

Though I would not mind a very light blue for new comments, rather than yellow, to match the style of the website. Maybe a teal. Yellow doesn't fit with the rest of the Mariner theme.

...and now I'm here

by Librocrat on Mar 26, 2008 1:11 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Agree

Yesterday's Pants
A blog-thingy about the Mariners and stuff.

by BrettJMiller on Mar 26, 2008 1:12 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

On that note

Perhaps changing the new comment highlight color to teal or navy blue may be prudent.

New 2.0 sig coming soon.

by Goose on Mar 26, 2008 1:12 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'll throw this as a reply to all 3posts above mine

I agree on the color of new comments.

A light blue would really work with this whole thing. Even a light gray would work.

by PShwa on Mar 26, 2008 1:13 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I've still been having problems with speed.

I couldn't get out of this diary for like 3 minutes.

No, that is not a sexual euphemism

...and now I'm here

by Librocrat on Mar 26, 2008 1:09 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

How often do the comments auto-refresh?

Is it instantaneous or like every 5 or 10 seconds?

by ThundaPC on Mar 26, 2008 1:13 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I am tryin to figure that out too

Maybe just whenever there is a new post? This is crazy

by seattlesundevil on Mar 26, 2008 1:14 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I cant tell

I think its ever few seconds.

by PShwa on Mar 26, 2008 1:14 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I predict a Corcoran War soon...

Trying to crash LL or something with this new nifty stuff.

GU Photography
Favor the Bold

by IcebreakerX on Mar 26, 2008 1:15 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Comments auto-refresh about every 20 seconds

But we may tweak that number over time.

I'm one of the guys that built the new SB Nation

by lovitt on Mar 26, 2008 1:17 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Is it cycling...

When you post a new comment too?

GU Photography
Favor the Bold

by IcebreakerX on Mar 26, 2008 1:19 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No, they only update every 20 seconds

My experience is that 20 seconds FEELS really fast; in an active thread, comments are often pouring in faster than I can read them. But you can judge for yourself when you try out the new system on a real game thread.

I'm one of the guys that built the new SB Nation

by lovitt on Mar 26, 2008 1:24 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

How fast can the refresh rate be set

Without overloading the system or bog things down? I know 20 seconds is probably great in general but in real heated game threads 5 or 10 seems like the sweet spot.

by ThundaPC on Mar 26, 2008 1:33 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

auto-refreshing every 5 seconds will make you feel insane

in a live gamethread. i can't even keep up with this thread, and there's only 6 people posting.

I'm one of the guys who built the new SB Nation. Please don't hesitate to give us feedback.

by sixfoot6 on Mar 26, 2008 1:37 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Seriously,

You should see our game threads. Nothing like 6 to 10 people blowing up over a play at the same time! :)

by ThundaPC on Mar 26, 2008 1:41 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Also

Anyone who changed their name.

Fuck you.

I don't want to learn a new one.

Unless its obvious, then...not fuck you.

by PShwa on Mar 26, 2008 1:16 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I was thinking the same thing

It's like when Coach changed to Will.. WTF - I fear change

S-s-s-s-o-o-o c-c-cold..

by seattlesundevil on Mar 26, 2008 1:17 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I changed mine a little

but it is obvious and i am kind of a third tier vistor

by InSpokane on Mar 26, 2008 7:44 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Game thread emotion

Okay, I propose we test Game thread emotion to see if it lags the site. Anyone else in? Just post a "FUCK FUCK FUCK NO NO NO" or some GTE related thing pretty close to each other. Since this will happen in the season, it might be nice to see how auto-refresh handles it.

Yesterday's Pants
A blog-thingy about the Mariners and stuff.

by BrettJMiller on Mar 26, 2008 1:17 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

FUCK!!

PLAYS BETTER AGAINST THE ANGELS MY ASS

Yesterday's Pants
A blog-thingy about the Mariners and stuff.

by BrettJMiller on Mar 26, 2008 1:18 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

COME ON

THE OVER/UNDER ON STABBINGS WAS 3!

IM LOSING MONEY JOSEEEEE

FUCKKKKKKKKKKKKK

OH WAIT

FUNK BLASSSSSSSTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT BELTREEEEEEEEEEEEEe

by PShwa on Mar 26, 2008 1:20 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

KING AWESOME

Yesterday's Pants
A blog-thingy about the Mariners and stuff.

by BrettJMiller on Mar 26, 2008 1:21 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

WILK BLAST!!!

....???

Yesterday's Pants
A blog-thingy about the Mariners and stuff.

by BrettJMiller on Mar 26, 2008 1:19 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Putz in. Game Over.

Well - he was on the HR derby talking to Erin Andrews.. Guess it's not quite the same

by seattlesundevil on Mar 26, 2008 1:21 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I bet he could win the Home Run derby

WHILE he was striking out Barry Bonds looking.

...
...

TWICE

Yesterday's Pants
A blog-thingy about the Mariners and stuff.

by BrettJMiller on Mar 26, 2008 1:22 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Do you think...upon insertion...

he says that?

sorry inappropriate as hell.

by PShwa on Mar 26, 2008 1:22 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

God I hope he says that.

...does that make me weird?

Yesterday's Pants
A blog-thingy about the Mariners and stuff.

by BrettJMiller on Mar 26, 2008 1:22 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Nope.

cause I hope so too.

by PShwa on Mar 26, 2008 1:23 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

This being able to not use a subject thing is

gonna take alot of getting used too.

New 2.0 sig coming soon.

by Goose on Mar 26, 2008 1:17 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Im always gonna use a subject

it breaks up my comments in a way that something something the fire in my soul something something two ice creams.

by PShwa on Mar 26, 2008 1:19 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I am watching the 2007 HR derby..

I can toss some GTE on that..

FUCK GODDAMN IT VLAD! YOU JUST KNOCKED OUT HOLLIDAY! FUCK FUCK FUCK

by seattlesundevil on Mar 26, 2008 1:18 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Huh. Well... Okay

I can't guarantee my happiness but good job with those two changes. I need to not be here. I have things to not do instead.

...and now I'm here

by Librocrat on Mar 26, 2008 1:23 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Me too

like..sleep.(Im on the East Coast)

but like NEW LL FORMAT

necessary to be here.

by PShwa on Mar 26, 2008 1:24 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

so on the old format

you could see how many new comments there were in diaries from the main page... am I missing something or is that gone?

by thenatural on Mar 26, 2008 1:24 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You should still be able to see that

Look in the FanPosts sidebar on the front page.

I'm one of the guys that built the new SB Nation

by lovitt on Mar 26, 2008 1:25 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It looks like you can see the number of comments

but not the number of NEW ones

And as I typed that clock just posted a rebuttal to this comment.. but I am going to post it anyways, fuck it.

by seattlesundevil on Mar 26, 2008 1:27 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think old diaries are excluded.

It works on the new diaries, and if you view a diary and someone comments in it later.

...and now I'm here

by Librocrat on Mar 26, 2008 1:30 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

that's not gone - you should be able to see that in the fanposts sidebar section

of course it will only be comments that are new since the migration

I'm one of the guys that built the new SB Nation

by clockwerks on Mar 26, 2008 1:26 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

close this thread, hit the front page, wait 2 mins and refresh

you'll see the new comment count

I'm one of the guys who built the new SB Nation. Please don't hesitate to give us feedback.

by sixfoot6 on Mar 26, 2008 1:27 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

seriously

just imagine what kind of willpower it would take to go to sleep for 7 WHOLE HOURS

I'm one of the guys who built the new SB Nation. Please don't hesitate to give us feedback.

by sixfoot6 on Mar 26, 2008 1:29 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Baseball in Japan is the only reason this didn't happen for me last night

and won't happen for me again. Seven should be the LEGAL minimum. Not sure how they'd enforce that, but they should.

Yesterday's Pants
A blog-thingy about the Mariners and stuff.

by BrettJMiller on Mar 26, 2008 1:31 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I hear that's how he has made a lot of his money.

Yesterday's Pants
A blog-thingy about the Mariners and stuff.

by BrettJMiller on Mar 26, 2008 1:27 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

A buddy of mine met Albert

and tried to get him to sign a jersey, and was met with

"NO, Aye weel nah sigh you jersey. You gon sell it ah e-bay. I weel sigh a pee of paper however"

by PShwa on Mar 26, 2008 1:29 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Colors

It looks like it was glossed over, but I believe it was PShwa who mentioned that the color for new comments should be a light blue/teal/gray, as yellow-ish doesn't really fit with our color scheme. Possible to get that changed?

Yesterday's Pants
A blog-thingy about the Mariners and stuff.

by BrettJMiller on Mar 26, 2008 1:30 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

we heard it

we had talked internally about changing this per blog, but y'all are the first group to mention it

I'm one of the guys that built the new SB Nation

by clockwerks on Mar 26, 2008 1:32 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

We sure seem to have rocked the boat

with wanting so many things changed haha

by PShwa on Mar 26, 2008 1:33 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well hell.. As Jeff said earlier in the week

"Trei, as you've probably deduced by now, this community is less than thrilled with the upcoming changes. Please consider our grievances and concerns. This place is already perfect. You can't improve on perfect. Do not drastically change things that don't need to be changed."

by seattlesundevil on Mar 26, 2008 1:35 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

We're (mostly) Seattle based or displaced from Seattle.

That means we're total tech dweebs that love the Interweb. Being that we're pretty much very, very, very dorky, it makes sense that we would care most about making minor changes that are huge to us but everyone else would think was negligible.

Yesterday's Pants
A blog-thingy about the Mariners and stuff.

by BrettJMiller on Mar 26, 2008 1:35 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Never been to Seattle

Just a Mariners fan stuck in New Jersey(aka Yankee/Met Country)

death.

I was gonna come out last year, but flying = ....nahhhhh

by PShwa on Mar 26, 2008 1:37 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You don't know what you're missing.

I've done lots of traveling and have no problem saying that Seattle will stay my home.

Yesterday's Pants
A blog-thingy about the Mariners and stuff.

by BrettJMiller on Mar 26, 2008 1:39 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I went to school in AZ and now have a job here..

Last week I applied for a job in Seattle. Definitely where I will end up eventually. What a cool city.

by seattlesundevil on Mar 26, 2008 1:40 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

im at ASU as well

graduating in may, and moving up to seattle (where i grew up, but lived most of my life in dallas)... I didn't for one second consider moving to dallas or anywhere else post-graduation

by thenatural on Mar 26, 2008 1:42 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hell yea ASU!

Did you go to the game tonight? I am going up to Seattle for opening day, haven't missed one of those since 94. I graduated from ASU in December 07, and now I work in Tucson covering UA recruiting - how terrible is that?

by seattlesundevil on Mar 26, 2008 1:43 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Where are you sitting on Opening Day?

Seems like plenty of LL people will be there

Yesterday's Pants
A blog-thingy about the Mariners and stuff.

by BrettJMiller on Mar 26, 2008 1:44 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Me and my buddy who lives in Seattle are..

I think he said on the third base line row 30 or somethin? Lower level.

by seattlesundevil on Mar 26, 2008 1:47 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm gonna be on 108 (RF, lower level) all year.

Feel free to stop by and say hello when you visit.

Yesterday's Pants
A blog-thingy about the Mariners and stuff.

by BrettJMiller on Mar 26, 2008 1:48 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Oh hell yea, might just have to

That's the one thing I miss about living in Seattle. Growing up my dad and I had season tickets in section 123 - many skipped nights of homework to go to games. That will be one of the first major purchases if / when I get back to Seattle.

by seattlesundevil on Mar 26, 2008 1:50 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

hahah sleeping with the enemy...

school's got a tight grip on my balls right now, havent had time to do anything in a while so i missed the game tonight... wish i couldve gone, tickets were free... you know if we won?

by thenatural on Mar 26, 2008 1:45 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Fuck yeah it is.

Yesterday's Pants
A blog-thingy about the Mariners and stuff.

by BrettJMiller on Mar 26, 2008 1:44 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I might this year.

I'll let all you guys know If I do, definitely.

I've flown upwards of 20 times, but I never liked it haha.

by PShwa on Mar 26, 2008 1:46 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Cool

Just seemed like it got missed, so I figured I'd bring it up again.

Yesterday's Pants
A blog-thingy about the Mariners and stuff.

by BrettJMiller on Mar 26, 2008 1:33 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Brett

you lost your hyperlink to your blog.

...and now I'm here

by Librocrat on Mar 26, 2008 1:34 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I noticed.

Not sure how to fix it. Maybe I'll just put the URL instead. That just seems so long.

Yesterday's Pants
A blog-thingy about the Mariners and stuff.

by BrettJMiller on Mar 26, 2008 1:35 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

we're watching and reading everything here

at least until we finally go to bed...which will be soon since I'm on the east coast

if we don't reply that doesn't mean we aren't collecting the feedback

I'm one of the guys that built the new SB Nation

by clockwerks on Mar 26, 2008 1:36 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Oh man,

A blue/teal version of "new comments" would be awesome.

by ThundaPC on Mar 26, 2008 1:34 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

this is something we're definitely thinking about

We've tried to streamline the color customization, and we're also trying to offer a consistent experience across all the blogs. That said, I'm increasingly convinced that team color pride trumps both of these issues. It's lower on our priority list, so expect us to tackle this down the road.

I'm one of the guys who built the new SB Nation. Please don't hesitate to give us feedback.

by sixfoot6 on Mar 26, 2008 1:34 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

We are many. We are legion. Expect us.

The SB Nation dev team is a group of four - in Austin, DC, and me in Santa Barbara. I'm working as our visual/css designer, though we discuss and implement feature and interface changes as a group. And last summer we had designer working with us to mockup the blog interfaces, though they've evolved since then. It's a pretty awesome team.

I'm one of the guys who built the new SB Nation. Please don't hesitate to give us feedback.

by sixfoot6 on Mar 26, 2008 1:46 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Gotta agree with you

I've got pretty good eyesight but view my screen at a slight angle downwards (I know you're not supposed to, bleh bleh bleh).

The problem being that the yellow is too close to the white to distinguish those new posts. Even when I level-up they're too similar to differentiate at a v.quick glance.

It's a big ask, but any chance of something a bit darker, or even better, optional colours?

Accidental Mariner - P3 W1 L2 (.333)
Sponsor of Jamie Burke's baseball-reference page

by MarkE on Mar 26, 2008 2:52 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I've always wondered why only admins can use strike. Oh wait....kick ass! Heh

Yesterday's Pants
A blog-thingy about the Mariners and stuff.

by BrettJMiller on Mar 26, 2008 1:37 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

.....where's graham?

He was the one threatening to go postal the most if shit didn't go his way.

New 2.0 sig coming soon.

by Goose on Mar 26, 2008 1:38 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

what time is it in graham land?

its either a time thing or he DID go postal.

by PShwa on Mar 26, 2008 1:39 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

8:40, I think

In a few weeks they'll be 8 hours ahead again, but for now, since we went one hour ahead first, they're only seven hours ahead. Hm, feels like I used too many commas. Eh, fuck it.

Yesterday's Pants
A blog-thingy about the Mariners and stuff.

by BrettJMiller on Mar 26, 2008 1:40 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yup

Can't fathom a good reason for the different switchovers, but it happens. Which is a total arse when you're racing at 8am on Sunday morning. It'd be bad enough as it was racing at 8am, but it'll be body 7am. Arse!

It's this week that we move across to British Summer Time, and will be 8 behind again.

Accidental Mariner - P3 W1 L2 (.333)
Sponsor of Jamie Burke's baseball-reference page

by MarkE on Mar 26, 2008 2:57 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I was planning to.

But then they fixed my biggest complaints, so I'd feel bad about giving them the amount of hell that I had planned for the narrow screen width and avatars thing.

Good grief some parts of this are annoying though. I'm like half a word ahead of the website when I'm typing.

by Graham on Mar 26, 2008 3:01 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It's fine for me as far as the typing goes.

Yesterday's Pants
A blog-thingy about the Mariners and stuff.

by BrettJMiller on Mar 26, 2008 3:05 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Another question about auto-refresh

I know it's presently set to every 20 seconds which will be great for threads like these in general but what is the fastest refresh rate that can be set without overloading the system or bogging things down? It seems like 5 to 10 seconds would be the sweet spot. Otherwise, I'll probably do a manual refresh during Awesome/WTF plays in game threads.

by ThundaPC on Mar 26, 2008 1:39 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

another thing...

there used to be a small image on my tab (in firefox) next to where it says the name of the site, and now its just a piece of paper... I'm not explaining this very well, hopefully someone knows what I'm talking about and can explain it better

by thenatural on Mar 26, 2008 1:40 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hopefully that will change

Mine is the same way.. Every once in awhile random sites will have the piece of paper for a day or two before going back to the real image

by seattlesundevil on Mar 26, 2008 1:42 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I know what you're talking about.

Though I have no name for it.

...and now I'm here

by Librocrat on Mar 26, 2008 1:42 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I know what you mean.

You mean the little "F" facebook has and the Bird and goal post thing Field Gulls has, etc. I'm sure in time they'll get something put up.

Yesterday's Pants
A blog-thingy about the Mariners and stuff.

by BrettJMiller on Mar 26, 2008 1:42 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

best description yet.

I dont think I ever had one for LL, at least that I can remember.

Only the little blue ball(save the jokes) that all random things have.

by PShwa on Mar 26, 2008 1:44 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

See it.

Sweet.

Yesterday's Pants
A blog-thingy about the Mariners and stuff.

by BrettJMiller on Mar 26, 2008 1:46 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

oh fuck

i see it too

how in the hell did i forget about that thing. Of course I remember it. fuck 4:30 am. fuck it to hell.

by PShwa on Mar 26, 2008 1:47 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

that thing

is called a favicon, i believe

I'm one of the guys who built the new SB Nation. Please don't hesitate to give us feedback.

by sixfoot6 on Mar 26, 2008 1:48 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

replied in the wrong place down below, but that's called a fav icon

I've put the old one back in place. You might have to close your browser or refresh the home page for it to kick in, but should be seeing it shortly.

I'm one of the guys that built the new SB Nation

by clockwerks on Mar 26, 2008 1:44 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

thanks

just want to add that i appreciate everyone's hard work getting this stuff all together and for putting up with all of our shit (which is a lot, to say the very least)... Its been said before, but I have to say it again

by thenatural on Mar 26, 2008 1:47 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

that's a fav icon

I'll put that back real quick for ya

I'm one of the guys that built the new SB Nation

by clockwerks on Mar 26, 2008 1:42 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

So much for napping before the Japan game...

Yesterday's Pants
A blog-thingy about the Mariners and stuff.

by BrettJMiller on Mar 26, 2008 1:47 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I gotta work the night shift at work the next two nights

Gotta reset the body clock to stay up late.. Japan game is the perfect excuse.

by seattlesundevil on Mar 26, 2008 1:48 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i guess it seems fast to us

because we're also logging and fixing bugs at the same time :-)

I'm one of the guys who built the new SB Nation. Please don't hesitate to give us feedback.

by sixfoot6 on Mar 26, 2008 1:53 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Uh...neat?

Not digging the colors, but scanning the thread I see it's been addressed. Glad that we don't have to have avatars, but, uh..I'll scrounge one up if everyone else does it.

All in all I think we'll all be used to it in no time.

Oh now I get mandatory preview...yeah that's unnecessary, would be particularly cumbersome in a game thread.

Someone say something witty.

by Omerta on Mar 26, 2008 1:53 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The easiest way is to type, hit tab, hit tab, hit enter, then hit enter again.

But I still think it should be removed.

Yesterday's Pants
A blog-thingy about the Mariners and stuff.

by BrettJMiller on Mar 26, 2008 1:55 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

its actually not that bad... but yeah

nobody here really gives anyone too much shit for spelling and punctuation errors (unless its coach). even if that were the case, if youre just quickly tab+enter-ing through it, youre not checking it anyways

by thenatural on Mar 26, 2008 1:57 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

two cool things

to avoid previewing... just hit the tab button when you finish typing and then hit "return" twice quickly.

And as for avatars, I love that turning that feature off doesn't stop you from having one... it just stops you from seeing them. That way everyone can have it whichever way they prefer.

by johnbai on Mar 26, 2008 1:56 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

tab

test

Someone say something witty.

by Omerta on Mar 26, 2008 1:58 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I've decided to continue posting

and not go postal. But then I was never that upset about any of the new changes. Thanks to the development team for responding to the various suggestions that came in though! And for hanging out and taking all our flak with a grain of salt.

by johnbai on Mar 26, 2008 1:54 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yes

we're anal because we care (not because we're flaming).

Someone say something witty.

by Omerta on Mar 26, 2008 1:55 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

speak for yourself

(imagine that i said that in a super gay voice)

by thenatural on Mar 26, 2008 1:58 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

They definitely are doin a great job

Kudos guys for stickin around and taking suggestions to heart.

by seattlesundevil on Mar 26, 2008 1:55 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

actually, we're a little dissappointed

we were hoping for more swearing and name-calling. you guys turned soft real quick!

I'm one of the guys who built the new SB Nation. Please don't hesitate to give us feedback.

by sixfoot6 on Mar 26, 2008 1:58 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You picked the right time

it's too late and my energy level is low. Well honestly you've been very accomodating and I think most of us appreciate that.

Someone say something witty.

by Omerta on Mar 26, 2008 2:01 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Fuck shit bitch asshole asshat shit-clown rat fucker.

You guys are all a bunch of fat babies, you fat babies!

Better?

Yesterday's Pants
A blog-thingy about the Mariners and stuff.

by BrettJMiller on Mar 26, 2008 2:01 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yes! that's better

and yet... worse. much worse.

I'm one of the guys who built the new SB Nation. Please don't hesitate to give us feedback.

by sixfoot6 on Mar 26, 2008 2:04 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You're welcome. :)

Yesterday's Pants
A blog-thingy about the Mariners and stuff.

by BrettJMiller on Mar 26, 2008 2:04 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That's what she said!

...wait...

New 2.0 sig coming soon.

by Goose on Mar 26, 2008 2:02 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah, what John said.

We have been very skeptic and angry, but it's definitely been a smoother transition than I thought it would be. And it's been really, really nice of you to bear with us, answer questions, and change some things around for us.

I appreciate it.

Yesterday's Pants
A blog-thingy about the Mariners and stuff.

by BrettJMiller on Mar 26, 2008 1:57 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Huh...

I just realized you have to hit the Z key to get rid of all the yellow crap. I guess that makes sense... Is that how it tracks New Comments too?

by johnbai on Mar 26, 2008 2:00 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

'z' and 'c' both scroll new comments

'z' markes them as read after you go to the next one

by thenatural on Mar 26, 2008 2:01 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

But when you're looking at the list of diaries

or "fan posts" as we're supposed to call them, how do you tell if there's new comments there?

by johnbai on Mar 26, 2008 2:03 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

They're diaries.

I refuse to call them anything else.

Yesterday's Pants
A blog-thingy about the Mariners and stuff.

by BrettJMiller on Mar 26, 2008 2:04 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   1 recs

just curious - why?

why is 'diaries' better than 'fanposts' for y'all?

I'm one of the guys that built the new SB Nation

by clockwerks on Mar 26, 2008 2:06 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

you fear change? don't get it

I'm one of the guys that built the new SB Nation

by clockwerks on Mar 26, 2008 2:07 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Maybe after awhile the fanposts thing will kick in

But we have been so used to 'diaries' for so long that it won't change right away.

by seattlesundevil on Mar 26, 2008 2:08 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

We fear it.

Plus, it wasn't broken before. And as many of us hang out in person, we already say "Oh, I'll post a diary on that"

It's just unnecessary. Change for the sake of change isn't good

Yesterday's Pants
A blog-thingy about the Mariners and stuff.

by BrettJMiller on Mar 26, 2008 2:08 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

try to imagine if they were called Posts before

and we changed them to "Diaries". Wouldn't you guys be seriously annoyed?

Or do you carry actual diaries to Mariners games? Sealed with a little locket?

;-)

I'm one of the guys who built the new SB Nation. Please don't hesitate to give us feedback.

by sixfoot6 on Mar 26, 2008 2:11 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Maybe we do >:(

Yesterday's Pants
A blog-thingy about the Mariners and stuff.

by BrettJMiller on Mar 26, 2008 2:12 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

ITS A JOURNAL ASSHOLE

AND HELLO KITTY IS NOT JUST FOR GIRLS... and i just like to keep a record of all my favorite memories...

by thenatural on Mar 26, 2008 2:13 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

it says how many new ones there are...

you just have to go to the main page and wait a minute or so and then refresh

by thenatural on Mar 26, 2008 2:05 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

since I'm still awake

should I just stay up until the Boston/Oakland game is on? Even if I have to work at 9am tomorrow?

by johnbai on Mar 26, 2008 2:05 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Sleep is for the weak.

Yesterday's Pants
A blog-thingy about the Mariners and stuff.

by BrettJMiller on Mar 26, 2008 2:06 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Indeed

well...g'nite.

Someone say something witty.

by Omerta on Mar 26, 2008 2:06 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

During a game thread homerun

that little pop up box is gonna swell with up to sixteen names posting at once.

Someone say something witty.

by Omerta on Mar 26, 2008 2:08 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Just stay up for the Japan game.

There's likely to be a long ball or two.

Yesterday's Pants
A blog-thingy about the Mariners and stuff.

by BrettJMiller on Mar 26, 2008 2:10 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ehhhhhhhhhh

I dont think so.

it starts a 6am for me.

I should really get to sleep soon-ish.

by PShwa on Mar 26, 2008 2:11 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It could definitely get a bit dicey at times.

But for those that are watching MLB.TV they will know something interesting is about to happen without even reading any comments!

by seattlesundevil on Mar 26, 2008 2:09 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I am trying to figure out

if I should get MLB Extra Innings or MLB.TV again this year. I am leaning towards MLB.TV just because I know I can get every game no matter what - the days with no M's on EI are painful.

by seattlesundevil on Mar 26, 2008 2:13 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

we all bitch about it sucking sometimes

but i couldnt live without it. EI sucks with their weekly game quotas... and i can watch games from anywhere, which is on campus or at work in many cases...

by thenatural on Mar 26, 2008 2:15 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hmmm....forgot about MLB.TV.

Maybe 10 second auto-refresh is optimal. Some people may be watching MLB.TV while others are wating FSN.

by ThundaPC on Mar 26, 2008 2:13 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

haha i will have my finger on the prtscr key

for when ichiro hits a game winning grand slam, and the pop-up box becomes the entire screen

by thenatural on Mar 26, 2008 2:09 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hey, I turned the avatars back on

They're really small. Kinda cute. Brett, you look just like Felix in yours. ;-)

by johnbai on Mar 26, 2008 2:10 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I've heard that I look like Felix when I'm really small.

I guess my avatar just reflects real life.

Yesterday's Pants
A blog-thingy about the Mariners and stuff.

by BrettJMiller on Mar 26, 2008 2:11 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah I'm considering a small Godfather...

but Jeff said no avatars and I fear the banhammer.

Someone say something witty.

by Omerta on Mar 26, 2008 2:11 AM PDT to parent up reply reply <