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Wide and optional avatars make life really good.

Thanks.

I feel like a meteor hit the earth and I'm the only survivor.

Thanks a bunch.

That should lead to much less bitching.

Even though I was definitely looking forward to it.

It's not that bad, I'll grow to love the new format.

and being able to disable avatars, it's not so bad.

Okay, now we need to get rid of the mandatory preview and add a [new] for easy search browsing.

Otherwise I think I can adapt.

AN loaded a little slower on my phone, and while this is a little bit slow too, it's not so bad. But faster mobile support would be nice.

What are the "Corco Phenomenon" width limits on the wide version?

This will be tested eventually

First quick impressions:

Optional avatars? Awesome.
Wider screen? Also awesome. Though, for us 1680x1050 types, will there be more options in the future?

Mandatory Preview, still needs to go. Making it optional like the avatars, would also be awesome.

It's gonna take some getting used too. But now that the bomb has dropped, I think ultimately we can live with it, barring some improvements.

Thanks for listening to our concerns. You probably saved a few hobo's lives by doing so. I imagine NFE(New Format Emotion) would be twice as worse as GTE.

Disable Avatars and Widescreen. So far so good. If we can make previewing posts optional I think it will be a pretty smooth transition.

This slogan should be the other way around!

I was actually scared.

Y'know, this isn't too bad. Other than the fact that 'FanShot' and 'FanPost' are still quite stupid names for anything ever, I can dig the new LL.

They seem....redundant to me. If we wanted our own little section to post pictures of videos we'd just make a dair....err fanpost.

I see we have the option of deciding how many fanposts, fanshots, ect we want to view on the page. How about adding a 0 option in there? So we can basically turn fanshots off.

Honestly, even during its early rollout with Athletics Nation I always liked the idea of having a lot of built in content. I kinda like having schedules, rosters, news, etc. right on the site.

My main concern was the general feel of the site. I didn't want this at the expense of a nice, easy interface of the old Lookout Landling. Scrunched up columns and comments? Avatars that are too small to be effective and annoying in numerous numbers? Yuck.

MAJOR props to Trei and friends for including Widescreen and the disabling of avatars. That instantly made me want to check out what the new SB has the offer.

In all honesty, the new comment system is friggin' sweet. Live updates without refreshing!? That means no more hammering the server with non-stop refreshing during game threads...possibly. Take out mandatory previews and I think this would be a pretty big upgrade over what we had before.

I'm on board the new format. So far, I like what I see.

Added Note: Speaking of previews, I tried hitting the preview button earlier but it wouldn't respond (possibly due to server lag). I had to copy my text and hit the refresh butting (knowing I would lose my text). Probably just an early bug that will be fixed but just something to note.

that the preview of the new format WAS on AN. And their team colors are just obnoxious.

Seeing a new format in bright yellow and nasty green is much more annoying than navy-ish and teal-ish.

That might have added to our hatred. Just my two cents.

Is it instantaneous or like every 5 or 10 seconds?

Anyone who changed their name.

Fuck you.

I don't want to learn a new one.

Unless its obvious, then...not fuck you.

Okay, I propose we test Game thread emotion to see if it lags the site. Anyone else in? Just post a "FUCK FUCK FUCK NO NO NO" or some GTE related thing pretty close to each other. Since this will happen in the season, it might be nice to see how auto-refresh handles it.

gonna take alot of getting used too.

even though its probably only due to novelty.

Just sayin'.

It looks like it was glossed over, but I believe it was PShwa who mentioned that the color for new comments should be a light blue/teal/gray, as yellow-ish doesn't really fit with our color scheme. Possible to get that changed?

I've always wondered why only admins can use strike. Oh wait....kick ass! Heh

He was the one threatening to go postal the most if shit didn't go his way.

I know it's presently set to every 20 seconds which will be great for threads like these in general but what is the fastest refresh rate that can be set without overloading the system or bogging things down? It seems like 5 to 10 seconds would be the sweet spot. Otherwise, I'll probably do a manual refresh during Awesome/WTF plays in game threads.

I'll put that back real quick for ya

Not digging the colors, but scanning the thread I see it's been addressed. Glad that we don't have to have avatars, but, uh..I'll scrounge one up if everyone else does it.

All in all I think we'll all be used to it in no time.

Oh now I get mandatory preview...yeah that's unnecessary, would be particularly cumbersome in a game thread.

Everybody prepare to dodge knives and shit.

and not go postal. But then I was never that upset about any of the new changes. Thanks to the development team for responding to the various suggestions that came in though! And for hanging out and taking all our flak with a grain of salt.

I just realized you have to hit the Z key to get rid of all the yellow crap. I guess that makes sense... Is that how it tracks New Comments too?

should I just stay up until the Boston/Oakland game is on? Even if I have to work at 9am tomorrow?

that little pop up box is gonna swell with up to sixteen names posting at once.

They're really small. Kinda cute. Brett, you look just like Felix in yours. ;-)

folks we are about to deploy some bug fixes in a few minutes and the blog will be down temporarily.

I'm going to bed right now.

And I hope to see some Graham ranting when I get up in the morning. >: (

First, I'd like to express my surprise and thanks that that wide/narrow thing was taken care of, the avatars were removed, and search is being worked on. These were my primary concerns and I am extremely happy that they were addressed.

This obviously isn't perfect, but the fact you've been willing to make changes for us has taken away a lot of the crap I was planning on giving you guys today.

HOWEVER. You're still not getting away free.

My tertiary complaints are as follows:

'FanPosts' and 'FanShots' are currently limited to a restricted set of view options. Please make them more liquid, and please add the option of viewing zero FanShots, for those of us who just aren't interested.

Please let the admins change the names of FanPosts and FanShots to something that doesn't sound like the person contributing to them is twelve. A silly complaint, I know, but there you go.

And now the stuff I notice immediately:

New comment highlighting - the C command tabs through comments, but doesn't really tell you which comment you're on. Perhaps a deeper highlight could be applied?

The post comment box is too narrow. Please consider allowing this to fill all available space. It's currently managing roughly half of the grey box.

Typing into the comment box is noticably laggy, for want of a better term. This is annoying, and I'm not sure if it's a problem on my end, or yours. I haven't yet looked at the site in anything other than Opera.

The background for the side and bottom bars are too dark. Seriously, that green's so close to black that it needs to be using protection.

Ok, I think I'm done (apart from such minor issues such as 'where did my admin powers go?).

Cheers.

Hope y'all get some sleep at some point, and that this thread withstands all of your shenanigans. Thanks everyone for your patience and your feedback. Catch you on the other side. [yawn]

How can I change the order of "my blogs"? Cause when I scroll over it it lists Halos Heaven first and it makes me sick. Thanks.

I'm not a fan of the yellow display for new comments, though. Maybe it's because I just woke up and I'm groggy, but it's hard on my eyes.

I'd rather not have to "preview" my comments, too. Diaries Fanshots? Sure. But not comments.

Having sat through the morning and the Oakland-Boston game thread, here's my thoughts on LL v2.0...

1) Preview is good, but not conducive to a quick response and then move-on style. Would it be possible to make it mandatory for fanposts but not the comments? I don't mind (in fact, approve of) a preview option (I'll use it for big comments like this one), but it does slow things down as it stands.

2) I like the z/x/c thing, that works very well. I'm just not working with the colour so well. Everything else colour-wise is fine, but that yellow is so very difficult to differentiate from the white when viewed from an elevated angle.

3) Auto-update is cool.

4) What's the point in recommending a comment? Where does it appear if I do recommend one? It would make more sense to recommend a post than its comments.

5) Thread hierarchy works well, although I'm gagging for a [go to parent] option or something like that

6) I keep getting these obscure, tiny little arrows appear on the RHS, kind of like the tab markers that you get on the horizontal ruler in MS Word, only a few pixels in size and shaped like a mirrored 'L'. They're often in the area that I'm currently operating in, but disappear if I attempt to adjust the width. It's not important, but it's bugging me.

7) Archives are good. I'm glad to be able to fumble through by period. Thank you.

8) The post (not the comment) subject lines are way too big in font size. If I'm trying to sort through recent activity I have to adjust my focus, and it would be so much easier to sort through a list that were a more conservative and less imposing size, like 14 or 16 points.

9) Despite the auto-update, it's still possible to double-post with someone else, or to post garbage even with the preview. I'd love an option to edit my own posts (and only those ones that haven't been replied to - there's no point in allowing someone to change a comment that's already got child comments of its own, that'll just encourage abuse).

Overall, not as bad as I had built my expectations for, and some features are really, really good. But content > style every time, and there's some really mega style things that stick out like a sore thumb.

Keep up the good work, cheers.

Comments. You can't open up a comment or subthread individually for linking back to. Instead it opens up the ENTIRE THREAD again, and moves you to that comment. With load times as absurd as they are, this is really irritating.

I've been using the narrow screen for a year, and it is very nice to go back to the wide screen. The one thing I don't like about it is that there is a very wide left side margin on the wide screen which makes it difficult to distinguish "original" comments from replies. it would be nice if those were made smaller (or eliminated).

I like the style. I like that I don't have to go to another site to look at the roster or schedule. I like the wider screen and the option to turn off avatars, of course.

Not a big fan of FanPosts and FanShots. It's like you hired an outside firm to come up with those names. They're visions of a marketing professional and they make me cringe every time I read them. Diaries and Photos would work just fine and not make me feel like I'm being slimed.

You guys (the devs) handled this transition really well, though. I think it was smart to do one site at a time while soliciting tons of feedback from the writers and dedicated readers. Over at Metblogs, the transition to a new design and platform has been torturous. It's too bad they didn't take your approach.

Its going to take some getting used to

my only complaints are the load times and having to preview before I post

Gonna take some getting used to, but on the whole I think it looks pretty good.

I shut down Firefox last night all ready to wake up this morning and RAGE AGAINST THE FUCKING MACHINE at how horrible this new layout is, and how it's ruined my week, and possibly my marriage and my entire future - then...you made it not suck so bad! The width thing is a TREMENDOUS improvement, thank you for doing that and for making avatars optional.

I echo most of the other improvement ideas above, plus I have one other - I notice that when all comments are cycled through using either Z or C, and there's no more new comments, keyboard navigation of comments no longer works. This is mildly irritating. I don't like my mouse, and I'd rather not use it - is there any way that some sort of keyboard nav can still work once all comments are read

with a question mark. I still don't like mandatory preview.

Im glad I survived the beginning last night with the likes of Brett, others, and about 2 minutes of Graham.

That said...different colored new comment backgrounds please.