Trading LL Heroes

by HARRYP09 on Feb 3, 2008 1:14 PM PST

At least since I started reading LL/USSM, it seems like every player that we start championing gets traded. Doyle first, and now Jones/Sherrill/Mickolio. It's a bit depressing to see every player whom the blogs are rooting for to be traded. Just a weird observation. Maybe we should root to free Richie Sexson or something.

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They haven't traded Felix yet

........

These pretzels....are making me thirsty!

by Goose on Feb 3, 2008 1:17 PM PST reply actions

or beltre or ichiro or putz

by sammy on Feb 3, 2008 1:32 PM PST up reply actions

shhhh

dont give Bavasi any ideas

--Dave

Addicted to Quack SBN's Oregon Ducks Blog

by David Piper on Feb 3, 2008 1:35 PM PST up reply actions

Don't forget Soriano

by Jeff Sullivan on Feb 3, 2008 1:20 PM PST reply actions

If possible

I wish I actually could.

On that note, I just lost the game.

by Limerickx on Feb 3, 2008 2:02 PM PST up reply actions

Thought

It will be interesting to see which young player the blogsphere chooses to 'root' for next. Clement? Wlad maybe? Tui? Aumont?

And then watch them get injured/traded/abducted by aliens.

And to think, I could have chosen to support the Yankees or Red Sox...

by EnglishMariner on Feb 3, 2008 2:07 PM PST reply actions

EOF

by Edgar for Pres on Feb 3, 2008 2:09 PM PST up reply actions

Nah

He's already established.

Tell me if I'm wring but ... I doubt it will be Morrow. For whatever reason I don't detect much 'love' for the guy from M's fans online.

And to think, I could have chosen to support the Yankees or Red Sox...

by EnglishMariner on Feb 3, 2008 2:16 PM PST up reply actions

I have difficultly separating

the interesting Morrow from his abominable treatment.

by Jeff Sullivan on Feb 3, 2008 2:21 PM PST up reply actions

I like watching him

he throws hard and nobody knows where it goes. It makes for exciting tv.

by Edgar for Pres on Feb 3, 2008 9:06 PM PST up reply actions

Clement, EOF, RRS, Lowe

by Jeff Sullivan on Feb 3, 2008 2:14 PM PST up reply actions

Please Bill, don't trade RRS....

I saw him throw his first big-league pitch and have grown attached.

by Patrick517 on Feb 3, 2008 2:16 PM PST up reply actions

We lost him in 2003, but we were lucky enough

to get him back. Hopefully, the FO isn't so negligent again.

by JoeyJoJoJuniorShabadoo on Feb 3, 2008 2:41 PM PST up reply actions

I kinda like Huber but I don't know why

by Edgar for Pres on Feb 3, 2008 9:07 PM PST up reply actions

Hyphen The Second/Hyphen Jr.

Austin Bibens-Dirkx

And, simultaneously, Adam Moore!

FREE AUSTIN BIBENS-DIRKX & ADAM MOORE!!!

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by PositivePaul on Feb 3, 2008 9:57 PM PST up reply actions

How legit of a prospect is Moore?

I want to believe his numbers and increase my expectations for him but I don't want High Desert to get me again.

by Edgar for Pres on Feb 3, 2008 10:31 PM PST up reply actions

More on Moore...

He was drafted as more of a hitter than a catcher, from what I've heard, but he's fitting into the gear quite nicely from the reports I've heard. Certainly HD inflated his numbers a bit, but he's a decent hitter. I think he's going to turn into a decent 'spect. Maybe not an Org-Top-10, but a good, useful player nonetheless.

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by PositivePaul on Feb 3, 2008 11:00 PM PST up reply actions

I was scrolling through THT online

and saw that High Desert increases HRs by 26% (3yr avg). Thats a lot.

http://www.baseballthinkfactory.org/files/oracle/discussion/2007_minor_league_park_multipliers/

by Edgar for Pres on Feb 4, 2008 8:40 AM PST up reply actions

his line away from HD

0.278/0.332/0.542

Not great, but pretty solid. He hit more than twice as many homers on the road than he did at home.

Sure, 'the road' includes places like Lancaster, but his season was clearly not just a creation of High Desert.

by marc w on Feb 4, 2008 1:15 PM PST up reply actions

:Daps:

Thanks marc!

You ARE on the "Free Adam Moore" campaign, too, then, right???

I mean, we've got to have other candidates to dedicate Morsels to...

;-)

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by PositivePaul on Feb 4, 2008 1:17 PM PST up reply actions

Also, this diary title confused me.

Who else came in here and expected to see actual LL members being traded. I wonder what kind of prospects we could get from Halo's Heaven for Coco?

And to think, I could have chosen to support the Yankees or Red Sox...

by EnglishMariner on Feb 3, 2008 2:17 PM PST reply actions

Who the fuck is Coco?

Washington Highways

by Corco on Feb 3, 2008 2:37 PM PST up reply actions

Gomez's stage name.

drink more? that usualy doesnt work in terms of enhancing comprehension.

by CapSea on Feb 3, 2008 2:41 PM PST up reply actions

THAT'S KOKO MOTHERFUCKER

Er, I don't know what you're talking about

I'm Gomez and I write about many things.

by Gomez on Feb 3, 2008 3:47 PM PST up reply actions

George Costanza

LET WLAD BAT!!!!

by MFAN on Feb 3, 2008 2:44 PM PST up reply actions

It's T-Bone!!

T-BONE!!!

by Patrick517 on Feb 3, 2008 2:49 PM PST up reply actions

Hey it's you ... Coco.

And to think, I could have chosen to support the Yankees or Red Sox...

by EnglishMariner on Feb 3, 2008 2:48 PM PST up reply actions

He's Bizarro-World Corco

He's black, laconic, lives in Vernon, and supports deforestation.

by JoeyJoJoJuniorShabadoo on Feb 3, 2008 2:50 PM PST up reply actions

Long Live the Prius.

drink more? that usualy doesnt work in terms of enhancing comprehension.

by CapSea on Feb 3, 2008 2:51 PM PST up reply actions

FUKC THE PRIUS AND ALL IT STANDS FOR

Washington Highways

by Corco on Feb 3, 2008 2:57 PM PST up reply actions

Drukn already, Coco?

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by CapSea on Feb 3, 2008 3:08 PM PST up reply actions

no completely sober

I just hate the Prius and all that it stands for

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by Corco on Feb 3, 2008 6:21 PM PST up reply actions

I thought the Prius stood for saving

the environment.

by Last Fan Of Jose Lopez on Feb 3, 2008 8:04 PM PST up reply actions

What do you think he was talking about?

drink more? that usualy doesnt work in terms of enhancing comprehension.

by CapSea on Feb 3, 2008 8:12 PM PST up reply actions

It stands for people who want everyone to know

that they are saving the environment. Pompous bastards drive Prii.

If you want to save the environment ride a bus. Ride a bike.

Washington Highways

by Corco on Feb 3, 2008 8:25 PM PST up reply actions

For once we agree

on something non-baseball. My favorite, though, is the guy who lives on the next block from me who drives a Ford Escape hybrid - a freakin' SUV - that has a "Go Green!" bumpersticker on it.

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Feb 3, 2008 8:57 PM PST up reply actions

My thing is-

if you believe in global warming (and I'm not sure I do), then even if everyone is driving Priuses we are still going to be screwed. All a Prius does is save you some money in the meantime (which, if I insisted on a Toyota I'd take a well-equipped Corolla and pay less if I had the option and still get 40+ MPG.).

It has the added advantage of making it LOOK like you are saving the environment, but people who actually, truly care about the environment are riding bikes and buses around everywhere. Pri-i are simply fashion statements.

Once a viable, useful plug-in hybrid (or other alternative) becomes available then I'll consider all this as legitimate. The Prius is a step in the right direction, but no more or less then any other hybrid or fuel efficient diesel on the market. It merely has the added advantage of proclaiming to everyone that it IS a hybrid. Toyota realized that when they designed it and that's why it sells so well. It's not an act of goodwill to buy a Prius; it's just a great way to boost an ego.

As far as putting the "Go Green" sticker on the back of an Escape Hybrid (which does achieve the best fuel economy of any SUV on the market), that's also just somebody who wanted to inflate their ego.

Washington Highways

by Corco on Feb 3, 2008 9:43 PM PST up reply actions

pardon the weird punctuation

in the first sentence of the second paragraph

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by Corco on Feb 3, 2008 9:44 PM PST up reply actions

And the thing is,

In the end, hybrids don't even save you money. The battery needs a special recharge every five or ten years that costs a couple thousand dollars. It does less damage to the environment, sure, but you don't save squat. The car companies say that in the future they hope to eliminate or significantly damage the problem, but right now it's no guarantee. And why would they want to be in a hurry to fix it? Not many people who buy hybrids know about this yet.

What I also don't like about the Prius are the hard, skinny tires. I'd rather sacrifice a few MPG to have a wide, soft, grippy tire for the safety and maneuverability.

Also, even when they do mass produce a plug-in car, it won't be green for most people. The power produced usually comes from coal or nuclear generators. Now if you have a lot of solar panels and get a majority of your energy from windmills, then you can call it green. But if those cars become "fashion statements" as well, the same smug drivers are walking hypocrites. You wanna be green? Buy a diesel and make your own biofuel. Buy a high fuel economy car you can fill up with E-85 Enthenol. Buy a car with a fuel cell engine that are now available in the US. But if you're driving a hybrid -- especially an SUV or sports car -- you're not saving the environment, and you can wipe that smug, shit-eating grin off your face.

Refuse to progress!!

by Double06 on Feb 3, 2008 10:34 PM PST up reply actions

few quick points

"The battery needs a special recharge every five or ten years" = the batter will be basically dead in 3-5 years probably. Battery capacity with NiMH or LiIon technologies degrade fast as a function of time. Think about your cell phone battery and how it works great for the first 6 months but probably sucks after that. Same thing with these batteries. It'll be interesting to see how Prius fuel economy holds up as they age because as the battery capacity dips, the amount of "hybrid" you will have will decrease. Toyota has a warantee but they don't define when they need to replace the packs (which are a few thousand dollars and not economical to replace).

Another quick note, E-85 isn't that green because the savings when it is made from corn is pretty minimal. Maybe in the next 10 yrs when its made from cellulose (grass) it'll be better for the enviroment/wallet. The best thing you can do is to drive less and consume less. One of the easiest things that makes a huge impact is carpooling or taking pub transit. Who are we kidding though, I doubt we do much until non-renewable energy gets rare (and hence more expensive).

by Edgar for Pres on Feb 3, 2008 10:54 PM PST up reply actions

FIGHT ON BROTHER!

Seriously though, hybrids are, to my understanding, bullshit. I have read that they don't even provide a net decrease in gasoline consumption, that the gasoline that inevitably provides the electricity that charges the battery nullifies this apparent savings. I don't know how that would correlate to nuclear or hydro energy, though.

The corn thing is bunk, however. It costs a surprising amount of gasoline to work all the processes that are required to cultivate, collect and disperse the corn shit anyways. It also means excess corn goes into our gas tanks instead of into the stomach of starving people. Even I have to feel some disgust at that thought.

Climate change is undoubtedly real -- the climate is always changing and always has been. Global warming as it is called is a bit shaky, but we are surely having an impact on the environment that will make our quality of life worse. We're killing the ocean, for one, and we're also heating it up and increasing the salt levels, which kills off reefs.

However, it is debatable what impact we specifically are having on climate change, and what effect we can muster realistically. Personally, I like the idea of simply blasting the sky with volcanic material or some proper substitute. We could have a major impact on global temperatures this way. That should be studied for its viability.

Willie is ours, and you can't have him

by spittle8 on Feb 4, 2008 9:25 AM PST up reply actions

The corn thing is nifty

but it's driving up the cost of food by a ridiculous amount

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by Corco on Feb 4, 2008 10:56 AM PST up reply actions

Biofuels are retarded

Hybrids are retarded. Hippies don't know what the fuck they're talking about.

Nuclear all the fucking way.

by Graham MacAree on Feb 4, 2008 11:21 AM PST up reply actions

I'd prefer we use children.

Regulated, they're a renewable resource. Just shove the child in the furnace Should be like 30 to 40 miles per appendage.

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by CapSea on Feb 4, 2008 11:23 AM PST up reply actions

A Modest Proposal - Part 2.

by Jed MC on Feb 4, 2008 11:57 AM PST up reply actions

the only problem with nuke

is where to put the waste. (see hanford)

Energy in WA/OR is not the problem it's our cars. We really just need better public trans.

by InSpokane on Feb 4, 2008 11:26 AM PST up reply actions

Since Graham's already addressed this concern...

...(shoot the stainless-steel encased waste into the sun), I'd still wonder about how to protect the facilities from 1) Nuclear meltdown/catastrophe and 2) Terrorist thievery...

Solve those two problems, and, hey, let's run the world via nukes!

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by PositivePaul on Feb 4, 2008 11:35 AM PST up reply actions

You could fly a plane into a nuke reactor

And it would just spash against the concrete. Modern nuke plants are incredibly well built. I'm not really very good with nuclear power, but one of my fellow Sidney engineers is doing lots of work with energy and nuke plants.

by Graham MacAree on Feb 4, 2008 11:37 AM PST up reply actions

Also, I don't endorse shooting waste into the sun

...yet.

Our ability to throw stuff into space without it blowing up is still kinda suspect.

by Graham MacAree on Feb 4, 2008 11:41 AM PST up reply actions

Security and Waste

I've been through a nuclear plant, and they are incredible secure. Furthermore, the chance of a meltdown int erms of what we think of is impossible these days. Plants now automatically shut down if anything gets the slightest out of whack (its called a reactor trip), and the biggest challenge now is solving the problem and/or instrument before the reactor trip happens (which means you have tou 10 seconds before having to reset the whole system).

As for waste, the entirety of an average nuke plants' waste over 30 years can fit into an area thats about 15x15x5 ft. Furthermore, a reprocessing plant can recycle the spend rods indefinitely.

by Fett42 on Feb 4, 2008 1:47 PM PST up reply actions

Listen to Fett, people

I'm Gomez and I write about many things.

by Gomez on Feb 4, 2008 3:04 PM PST up reply actions

I like you, Graham

Your words are genius.

Willie is ours, and you can't have him

by spittle8 on Feb 4, 2008 7:59 PM PST up reply actions

Trade Bretticus while is value is still high

Matthew for prospects. Dump Jeff's salary on McCovey Chronicles. BURN THE TREE!

by Robert on Feb 3, 2008 5:46 PM PST up reply actions

My Lookout Landing Hero

is Graham. Because he's so cheerful and cuddly... like a carebear, only English... so he's always inviting me over to tea parties and offering me crumpets and biscuits and things. And our trips to the 100 acre wood are filled with winsome adventure.

;)

by johnbai on Feb 3, 2008 3:01 PM PST reply actions

Be warned.

Stereotypes of English people that do not involve football hooliganism are FALSE.

And to think, I could have chosen to support the Yankees or Red Sox...

by EnglishMariner on Feb 3, 2008 3:05 PM PST up reply actions

Funny.

Stereotypes of Americans are all 100% true.

drink more? that usualy doesnt work in terms of enhancing comprehension.

by CapSea on Feb 3, 2008 3:08 PM PST up reply actions

I do love crumpets and tea though

by Graham MacAree on Feb 4, 2008 11:34 AM PST up reply actions

You probably own a tea cozy.

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Feb 4, 2008 11:37 AM PST up reply actions

My parents own several

I don't have a teapot though...

by Graham MacAree on Feb 4, 2008 11:38 AM PST up reply actions

at least we know what to get you

as a welcome-to-the-US gift when you get here this summer. They just started selling PG Tips here, too, which may not sound like much but it beats paying $9 for 40 tea bags in an import shop.

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Feb 4, 2008 11:41 AM PST up reply actions

Fred Meyer sells Tetley's

The family goes throgh a pack of 80 in about 10 days.

by Graham MacAree on Feb 4, 2008 11:42 AM PST up reply actions

I like Tetley's

Now if I could only find somewhere that carries their Earl Gray in stock. Tea Lady might be able to order it for me, but I haven't taken the time to research that...

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by PositivePaul on Feb 4, 2008 11:54 AM PST up reply actions

Of course...

Maybe if I searched the shelves for Earl Grey, I'd have better luck...

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by PositivePaul on Feb 4, 2008 11:55 AM PST up reply actions

The tea lady

is sort of hit and miss for earl grey.

They used to sell Whittard's earl grey, which was rad, but they don't anymore. Then they stopped carrying the Ahmad earl grey, though they still have the other Ahmad teas.

Oh, and PG tips over Tetley's all the way.

Yeah! Tea subthread on LL! Woooo!

by marc w on Feb 4, 2008 1:20 PM PST up reply actions

Hmmm.

It's probably the Red Hook or Pyramid of teas, but I used to go gaga over Murchies teas when we were closer to the border in B'Ham. Their black current is pretty fantastic.

I'm sure there are much better Earls than Tetley's, but I do like Tetley's a lot.

But, then, what do I know. I'm certainly not a tea snob...

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by PositivePaul on Feb 4, 2008 1:23 PM PST up reply actions