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I am so anxious for the moves to get rolling I don't know what to do. It's entirely possible we'll be saying goodbye to some familiar (and in some cases well-loved) faces before the week is out, but we may very well be saying hello to some exciting new faces as well. Should be interesting, no matter what, and I'd like to think it's going to turn out better than last year's winter meetings.

My baseball fandom is pretty all encompassing; during the season it's all about the games of course, but this time of year I'm obsessed with roster construction, the ways in which the market is evolving, and the unfamiliar names that tend to first pop up in trade speculation that might end up being tomorrow's superstars. I love this time of year in a much different way than I love the regular season, but I still love it a lot. A random prediction? The market is going to become slightly less retarded when it comes to defensive ability; more precisely, defensive liabilities might be somewhat surprised at the contract offers they get. I'm not sure that a lot of GMs understand how valuable someone like, say, Adam Everett really is, but they very well may realize how much value someone like, say, Adam Dunn gives back on defense. But we'll see. Watch Raul get 4/48 and a starting OF spot.

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So all pet owners are slobs?

And people without pets are clean?

Solid reasoning.

by Sec 108 on Dec 8, 2008 8:45 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don't know about you and your dog

but I rub my cat on pretty much every available surface right before guests come over, just to see if they notice.

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Dec 8, 2008 8:47 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Sounds like your style.

One of my favorite memories was from my college years and I was visiting my parents. My father had invited a business associate over for dinner.

The guy was a complete ass about everything from the food to how my father was doing business. After everyone was done eating my Dad got up and grabbed all of the dishes. He placed them on the kitchen floor and called our dog into the kitchen.

My Dad the told our dog it was ok to lick the plates and bowls. After he was done my Dad picked them all up put them in the cupboard.

That asswipe turned green and said he had to head home right away. I had so much respect for my Dad after that. I still laugh every time I think of that guys face.

by Sec 108 on Dec 8, 2008 8:57 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That's fantastic.

I’m allergic to most pets and often have a hard time being in closed spaces with them, but I love them to death. Well, dogs at least. 95% of the cats I’ve ever encountered seem to want me dead.

by Teej on Dec 8, 2008 9:01 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Dude.

Your dad ROCKS!

This signature space for rent.

by PositivePaul on Dec 8, 2008 9:39 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Wall-E was a better movie by far than Eagle vs. Shark

but I know what you’re saying. Whenever I recommend EvS to people, I have to say “I’m not 100% sure it’s a GOOD movie, but it’s really fun to watch”. But Wall-E is one of the few DVD’s I can actually see myself owning.

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Dec 8, 2008 7:57 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yep.

I saw it without my wife, and when I saw her I told her, “We need to own this movie.” And that’s saying a lot because I only own about 20 DVD’s.

by Phildopip on Dec 8, 2008 8:05 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think we own about 5 movies

but we were both so taken by this movie I think it’ll be #6.

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by pdb on Dec 8, 2008 8:10 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You won't be sorry.

I usually love Pixar, but their movies don’t stick with me. WALL-E is sticking with me.

by Phildopip on Dec 8, 2008 8:56 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I paid to see it on an airplane a couple weeks ago

after having paid to see it twice in the theater. It’s that good.

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Dec 8, 2008 8:57 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

January 18th is when it starts

I wouldn’t say I’m worried, but I’m prepared for it not to be as awesome as Season 1, and hoping that it is.

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Dec 8, 2008 9:05 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm definitely excited

the Season 2 promo is really funny – it’s not online anywhere that I can find, but it definitely makes me not worry so much about how good the show will be.

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Dec 8, 2008 9:07 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm excited for new songs.

When Season 1 started, I had already heard 90% of the songs, since they had the HBO comedy special and some other performances on YouTube. This time the songs should be all fresh.

by Teej on Dec 8, 2008 9:08 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm not a big Pixar fan so I didn't bother to see it.

I heard it was really political though.

Fear the NPE

by thewyrm on Dec 8, 2008 9:11 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Incorrect.

It’s a love story. If you choose to see it politically, you certainly can because that subtext is there, but it’s not primarily a political film.

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Dec 8, 2008 9:21 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Beer shopping is fun

I set out to buy a six pack of Anderson Valley Winter Solstice, which I did, but I also left the beer store with bottles of

Stone Double Bastard (2)
Rogue Double Dead Guy
Ninkasi Believer Red
Orkney Skullsplitter
Rogue Yellow Snow
Butte Creek Organic IPA
Butte Creek Pale Ale
Dogfish Head Palo Santo
Harviestoun Old Engine Oil Stout
HeBrew Jewbilation
Hair Of The Dog Fred
Hair Of The Dog Adam

Moral: Never go beer shopping on payday.

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Dec 8, 2008 8:09 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hair of the Dog Fred is amazing.

I’ve only had it once, but I really enjoyed it.

by Teej on Dec 8, 2008 8:17 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah, I like Fred a lot

it’s not readily available at the store by my house so I gotta go to the beer store to get some, which is annoying, but it’s worth it.

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by pdb on Dec 8, 2008 8:20 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I bought it online, so I have no idea if it's anywhere around here.

The bar down the street has Ruth, but that’s it. I should look around a bit.

by Teej on Dec 8, 2008 8:27 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Typically it's available at the Whole Foodses of the world

or other upscale grocery stores.

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Dec 8, 2008 8:35 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Seconded.

Stick to the Fred and the Adam.

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Dec 8, 2008 11:09 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

They're rapidly becoming one of my favorite breweries.

Gotta head to Eugene one of these days – they don’t have a pub, but you can go through the brewery and do tastings.

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Dec 8, 2008 8:22 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

How is the Double Bastard?

I almost picked one up yesterday, but ended up deciding I was too tired to have any beer.

"Beer is ... love ..." Ben Franklin

by Jed MC on Dec 8, 2008 9:14 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Oh, it's delicious.

I like Arrogant Bastard pretty well, then ac mentioned that the Double’s one of his faves, and I can see why. It’s really damn good.

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Dec 8, 2008 9:23 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Boise State's coming to San Diego!

Might just grab a ticket for that game.

by Teej on Dec 8, 2008 8:17 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He hit 18 and 16 homers in 2006 and 2007, respectively. In limited duty.

Didn’t look hot last year, but it was less than 100 at-bats. I really don’t know much about him other than he’s ugly and he hit like 45 home runs in two weeks a few Aprils ago.

Will be 29.

Seems like a solid guy to give a few hundred at-bats to.

by Teej on Dec 8, 2008 8:37 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Pretty solid low risk, medium upside signing.

League average defence, some power, nice .340 average in AAA last year. Can draw a walk.

I was at Shea for the Felix-Slam!
Personal M's record: 5-4.

by EnglishMariner on Dec 8, 2008 8:36 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

So I went to see The Prodigy in Liverpool last night.

I haven’t sweated so much in my life in a non-treadmill environment, but it was awesome. Anyone here heard of The Prodigy?

I was at Shea for the Felix-Slam!
Personal M's record: 5-4.

by EnglishMariner on Dec 8, 2008 8:37 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'M A FIRESTARTAH

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by pdb on Dec 8, 2008 8:37 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I love you guys.

I was at Shea for the Felix-Slam!
Personal M's record: 5-4.

by EnglishMariner on Dec 8, 2008 8:39 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

They had a decent run of popularity in the States in the late '90s, early 2000s.

Not really my type of music, but it’s definitely intense. I imagine it would make for a good show.

by Teej on Dec 8, 2008 8:40 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Aaaaaaaaand your new Seattle Sounders will look like

this. This may be the last time you see Ljungberg standing upright without clutching a knee all season.

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Dec 8, 2008 8:49 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm not usually a fan of light green

but I think adidas did a pretty nice job with these.

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Dec 8, 2008 8:52 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That's terrifying

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Dec 8, 2008 9:02 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Dude,

if the team never wears that color, you shouldn’t either.

Man do I love midgets.

by Thingray on Dec 8, 2008 6:17 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Agreed

That jersey doesn’t really look good at all, in my opinion

HA HA HA, your Grandpa's an ASS!- Tourette's Guy (R.I.P)

by tootthekazoo on Dec 8, 2008 6:29 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I really wanted to buy a jersey, but there's no way I'm paying money to wear that huge Xbox logo.

I’m an Xbox fan, but not to that degree. It’s like the people who put the Apple sticker on their car. You should be charging the company money for that.

by Teej on Dec 8, 2008 8:52 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Unless you're a West Ham fan

but I think they have a new sponsor now, actually.

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Dec 8, 2008 8:55 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

And WBA.

I was at Shea for the Felix-Slam!
Personal M's record: 5-4.

by EnglishMariner on Dec 8, 2008 8:57 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Are they still sponsorless too?

I loved the fact they just went without anything on the front of their shirt – the West Ham approach of putting squad numbers on the front just looked stupid.

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Dec 8, 2008 8:58 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

True.

I think it’s just the whole video game thing. My love of playing Xbox at home all weekend like the recluse I am is something I prefer not to advertise.

I still might buy it, though. Pretty sharp-looking. I like the away jersey.

by Teej on Dec 8, 2008 8:58 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ahem.

You can get them with charity logos from the only Premier League that does not advertise a company.

by NOLAmarinergirl on Dec 8, 2008 6:54 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I work out in my Arsenal jerseys a lot of the time

and I feel like a tool because all you can see from a distance is FLY EMIRATES. I don’t like logos of any sort, but with soccer it comes with the territory, which is annoying. This is why I always loved Barcelona jerseys – they were rich enough that they didn’t have a sponsor until last season. Now, they do, but their sponsor is Unicef and Barca donates all their proceeds from shirt sales to Unicef, so that’s cool.

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Dec 8, 2008 8:54 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hot diggity damn

I’m in the midst of plotting my trip to Austin this week, and I’m completely overwhelmed – I’ve got about 20 restaurants and about 30 bars I want to try, but I’m only there for 4.5 days. Anyway. One bar that we’re DEFINITELY going to check out is Ginny’s Little Longhorn – it sounds like an awesome bar anyway, but Sunday afternoon is CHICKEN SHIT BINGO!!!!! This is shaping up to be an awesome weekend.

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Dec 8, 2008 9:26 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I can't freaking wait.

I think the reason I’m so excited about checking it out it is that it’s obviously not an ironic re-creation of something from “way back when” for the benefit of hipsters – they’ve been doing it for years, and they’ve been doing it the same way the whole time. I get the sense that Austin’s kinda a hipster douchebag paradise these days, but it still has pockets like this where things are the way they’ve always been, which is what I’m seeking out.

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Dec 8, 2008 9:32 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I've always wanted to check it out

and when my wife got sent there for two weeks for work it seemed like the perfect time. I’d always heard the following things about Austin:

 - Great music scene
 - Great food
 - The Anti-Texas

And in my investigations into where we should eat/drink, I definitely got the impression that, like a lot of places, Austin has changed a lot since it’s been more popular – Sixth St, where all the bars/clubs are, apparently used to be nothing but good venues to see great bands, but now is sort of overrun with the ASUBoyd-type frat boy and sorority girl out to PARRRR-TAY, which is annoying, but there’s enough other cool stuff there that we can completely avoid that stuff and still have a good time.

I’m still questing for some good music to see, which is tonight’s investigation – I know NOTHING about Austin musicians, and I need to find out which ones are worth seeing.

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Dec 8, 2008 9:43 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If you want great BBQ

You have to check out Sams BBQ

I was in Austin last April and it was delicious – The building should be condemned though.

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You may gain some yards on the ground, but eventually Lofa will end up biting you in the ass.

by Scruffy Lefty on Dec 8, 2008 12:25 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I do and I will check it out.

Thanks.

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Dec 8, 2008 1:10 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Great people watching to

You may gain some yards on the ground, but eventually Lofa will end up biting you in the ass.

by Scruffy Lefty on Dec 8, 2008 2:40 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

BOTD...

Screw you, Mariners. I'm back in football's loving arms. *edit: well, shit. This isn't going well.

by kevin_ess on Dec 8, 2008 9:27 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If by "are we getting" you mean

“should I put one up myself”, then yes, I suppose.

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by pdb on Dec 8, 2008 9:38 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I posted this yesterday in the Friday off-topic thread, but I will post it again just to get anyone involved who might want to discuss it today.

What a bunch of crock the BCS is.

Ohio State vs. Texas is retarded. Texas should have gone up against Alabama and Ohio State shouldn’t even be in any of the BCS bowl games.

As for Cincinnati vs. Virginia Tech…. yawn, booooooring. The BCS is automatically flawed by having the ACC and Big East conferences getting automatic bids. Boise State and Texas Tech would have been an intriguing matchup, but the rules don’t allow for three teams from the same conference to make BSC bowl games and won’t ever allow two teams from "non-BCS conferences" to show they can play.

Dumb. Dumb. Dumb. Dumb.

Only games I will definitely be watching: USC vs. Penn St. (Rose Bowl is always a must-see game), Utah vs. Alabama (hate Utah, but they have to represent the MWC so the conference can potentially replace the ACC or Big East some day), and Florida vs. OU (nationally championship, duh!).

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So yeah, those are my feelings. Boo to the BCS and boo to Mike Leach for turning down the UW coaching job (although it is rather funny (ironic?) that Steve Sarkisian is also a BYU alum like Leach).

by Wilder. on Dec 8, 2008 9:43 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I wish Boise State would have gotten in

but the Boise State-TCU game will be better than Cincy-VT.

That said- GO BUCKEYES- we don’t deserve it but I’m really hoping we can finally beat somebody good and redeem ourselves a little bit

Determined, Jonesing Commentor | Proud proprietor of Washingtonhighways.org

by I'm NOT Corco on Dec 8, 2008 9:50 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm biased as a Boise State fan,

but you should not be allowed to go undefeated and miss out completely on the BCS bowls. There are many flaws in the system, but that’s the one that’s pissing me off right now.

Last time they let them in, everyone said they’d get blown out by Oklahoma. And it turned out to be perhaps the best bowl game I’ve ever seen.

That said, now they’re coming to San Diego! The Poinsettia Bowl usually has pretty lame teams, but this year it looks great. And Oregon-Oklahoma State in the Holiday Bowl looks great, too.

by Teej on Dec 8, 2008 9:50 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The Poinsettia Bowl will be the best non BCS game

I’m pretty excited- it’s a pretty sweet non BCS consolation prize.

That said, fuck the BCS and fuck Utah

Determined, Jonesing Commentor | Proud proprietor of Washingtonhighways.org

by I'm NOT Corco on Dec 8, 2008 9:51 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I was afraid it was just my bias.

But yes, that’s easily the best football game I’ve ever watched.

by Teej on Dec 8, 2008 9:55 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

And I turned it off in the 3rd Quarter

/facepalm

You may gain some yards on the ground, but eventually Lofa will end up biting you in the ass.

by Scruffy Lefty on Dec 8, 2008 12:28 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I felt sick the next day

You may gain some yards on the ground, but eventually Lofa will end up biting you in the ass.

by Scruffy Lefty on Dec 8, 2008 12:32 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

My dad is not a big college football fan, but he happened to be down here in Utah with me that week.

He doesn’t get to watch a lot of sports because my mom always complains about not being able to watch her shows (which she falls asleep to).

Anyway, my dad and I were going nuts together watching that game. That was a huge moment in sports because everyone could not not have been entertained.

(love the double negative)

by Wilder. on Dec 8, 2008 12:37 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Oh, man.

I was at a sportsbook in Vegas going nuts. And I had to drive back to San Diego that night. I almost crashed I was so exhausted.

by Teej on Dec 8, 2008 12:33 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

My cousin's friend was at the game

and left after the Oklahoma touchdown to beat the traffic

Determined, Jonesing Commentor | Proud proprietor of Washingtonhighways.org

by I'm NOT Corco on Dec 8, 2008 12:38 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

My dad turned it off when OU ran the pick back for a TD

but my brother and I kept watching and our dad had to start watching again when he heard the yelling from the hook-and-lateral

by seattlebruin on Dec 8, 2008 12:48 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It used to be available on iTunes.

The entire game or edited down for just the plays.

by dpseadv on Dec 8, 2008 2:17 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm legitimately stunned that they took Ohio State over Boise

and no, it’s not stupid that the ACC and Big East champs get auto bids, since those two conferences have always been associated with the Orange Bowl, and it just happens to be a down cycle for both of those conferences. In the past ten years, they’ve spit out teams like West Virginia, Miami, Florida State, Virginia Tech, etc.

The real travesty is that the bowls get to pick who plays in their bowls and can select ANY BCS-eligible team instead of the highest ranked or undefeated ones. Boise should be in over Ohio State and honestly, Texas Tech.

P.S. the real question is why Texas Tech isn’t raising hell over the fact that they beat Texas and UT got a BCS berth over them.

by seattlebruin on Dec 8, 2008 12:20 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm not

Ohio State = more TV revenue
Ohio State has a huge fan base and an even huger base of people who will watch because they hate Ohio State and want to see them trampled.

It’s all about money

Determined, Jonesing Commentor | Proud proprietor of Washingtonhighways.org

by I'm NOT Corco on Dec 8, 2008 12:22 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Didn't OSU share the Big ten title though?

You may gain some yards on the ground, but eventually Lofa will end up biting you in the ass.

by Scruffy Lefty on Dec 8, 2008 12:29 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No

Ohio State lost to Penn State so Penn State wins based on head to head

Determined, Jonesing Commentor | Proud proprietor of Washingtonhighways.org

by I'm NOT Corco on Dec 8, 2008 12:29 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Someone told me that this morning

and I was wondering if it was true or not

You may gain some yards on the ground, but eventually Lofa will end up biting you in the ass.

by Scruffy Lefty on Dec 8, 2008 12:31 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I will submit the ACC is in a down year, but the Big East hasn't had much consistency.

But this is why I think they should eliminate automatic BCS Bowl bids because of what conference teams play for (screw tradition because that went out the window when the BCS was created). Utah, BYU, TCU, BSU, etc., consistently put good products on the field and they are never considered a force in college football simply because they are not a “BCS eligible” conference.

I hope BSU is able to leave the WAC for the MWC in the next few years. BYU and Utah left the WAC because of the reputation it had (as well as other teams like Air Force and Colorado State). We should trade out San Diego State and Boise State between the two conferences.

by Wilder. on Dec 8, 2008 12:30 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

This is true that tradition was crushed when the BCS was created, which is why I'd prefer they go back to the system where

Rose Bowl is required to take Big Ten and Pac Ten if available (I believe this currently happens)
Fiesta Bowl takes the Big Twelve
Sugar Bowl takes the SEC
Orange Bowl takes the ACC and Big East

which leaves you with more tradition oriented bowls while still giving the BCS conference champs a place in the major bowls

by seattlebruin on Dec 8, 2008 12:52 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Someone who knows music better than I do explain something to me:

While Pet Sounds seems like an alright album, I just don’t get what is so amazing about it that it is regarded as one of the best ever. It has three great tunes, but the rest are just kinda slow and dull. What am I missing?

Fear the NPE

by thewyrm on Dec 8, 2008 9:48 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Listen to it as one piece of work, not as discrete songs

It’s the story of a man slowly losing his mind over a breakup. Pay attention to the lyrics and it opens up a whole new level of that album.

and also, put it in the context of the time in which it was released – there was NOTHING like it at the time, it pretty much blew away a lot of notions of what pop music could do or be. It’s symphonic, it’s heartbreaking, it’s absolutely amazing.

And as you listen to it, note that what you’re hearing is largely the creation of one man. I could seriously listen to that album every single day and never get tired of it.

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Dec 8, 2008 9:52 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah, I bought it a few days ago because iTunes has it on sale for 5 bucks.

Sloop John B and God Only Knows I have always loved. The rest of the tracks just seemed a little dull. I have listened to it straight through a few time now.

Fear the NPE

by thewyrm on Dec 8, 2008 10:03 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

LIve with it for a week or so, listen to it every day

and before long you’ll wonder what took you so long to love it. It’s that good.

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Dec 8, 2008 10:04 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

What other albums do I need to own by them?

Am I good with just Pet Sounds and Endless Summer? What album is Good Vibrations from? That is my favorite Beach Boys tune.

Fear the NPE

by thewyrm on Dec 8, 2008 10:09 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I can't stand any other Beach Boys stuff, to be honest

I grew up detesting the Beach Boys. A friend of mine kept insisting I’d like Pet Sounds, because it’s “not like anything else they did”, but I resisted until about 10 years ago. Now, it’s pretty much my favorite album of all time, but I still can’t stand anything else the Beach Boys did. But, as far as canonical records go, yeah, the two you have are probably good.

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Dec 8, 2008 10:12 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The Beach Boys were my favorite band in the mid 80's.

I didn’t listen to much else up until Depeche Mode came into my scene…

I seriously own every BB record – or at least I filled in the gaps that my dad didn’t have covered. Heroes & Villains/Smiley Smile double-record, included.

Heh, after listening to this song probably 500 times, it’s no wonder I transitioned from BB into ’Mode and The Cure, etc…

I even have an autograph from David Marks. That’s how much I was into the BB back then…

You know what I just got on iTunes? This:

It’s fantastic, actually…

This signature space for rent.

by PositivePaul on Dec 8, 2008 12:10 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think this is the earliest song I remember hearing in my life.

That or something by Jimmy Buffett or Rod Stewart. Damn you, Mom.

by Teej on Dec 8, 2008 10:21 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Same here.

I remember me and my brother TORTURING my mom by singing this song. She hates the Beach Boys.

by Phildopip on Dec 8, 2008 10:22 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The Faces were an amazing band

These first three or four solo albums were fantastic, but everything after that….ugh.

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Dec 8, 2008 10:30 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I second this.

This signature space for rent.

by PositivePaul on Dec 8, 2008 11:51 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah, the way the harmony expands at 1:17.

And the amazing thing is how this songs still works without instruments. The harmonic textures are so deep, even a capella.

by Phildopip on Dec 8, 2008 10:06 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Awesome.

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Dec 8, 2008 10:46 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Anybody know any good talky podcasts?

I’m caught up on my podcasts and yet have 5 hours to kill on a plane later in the week, so I need some new podcasts to listen to. Here are my criteria:

1. Something with a modicum of intelligence, on any topic – in other words, not just people shouting at each other. That said, though…
2. ABSOLUTELY NO THIS AMERICAN LIFE. I can’t STAND that show, Ira Glass and his twee faux-intellectualism makes me want to set things on fire.
3. Nothing about video games, for I do not care about such things.
4. Politics OK, but again, intelligent, no shouting.

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Dec 8, 2008 10:44 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I've never listened to This American Life, but Ira Glass came to speak at Willamette a couple years back

and he probably gave the best talk that I saw anyone give here. And I got to see Colin Powell, too. That was pretty cool.

by Two Rs and Two Ls on Dec 8, 2008 10:46 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Pre or post VISOR?

I was at Shea for the Felix-Slam!
Personal M's record: 5-4.

by EnglishMariner on Dec 8, 2008 10:53 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It would have been awesome if he'd come out wearing the VISOR.

Sadly, he talked more about Reading Rainbow than Star Trek. But it was still awesome singing the Reading Rainbow song with LeVar Burton and a thousand or so other people.

by Phildopip on Dec 8, 2008 10:55 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Good lord I'm old

All I can think of when I hear LaVar Burton’s name is Roots.

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Dec 8, 2008 10:59 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Tyrone Green.

Dark and lonely on a summer night
Kill my landlord, kill my landlord.
Watchdog barking – do he bite?
Kill my landlord.
C-I-L-L
My landlord.

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Dec 8, 2008 11:05 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Power tie?

Screw you, Mariners. I'm back in football's loving arms. *edit: well, shit. This isn't going well.

by kevin_ess on Dec 8, 2008 11:05 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Sadly?

Reading Rainbow was the shit! Star Trek was cool, but LaVar Burton will always be Reading Rainbow to me.

But you don’t have to take my word for it. Ba da bum.

by Wilder. on Dec 8, 2008 11:23 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don't know what it is about TAL that bothers me so much

A lot of it is Ira Glass’ tone, that sort of condescending-yet-not-I’m-an-everyman sort of thing he adopts, but it really irritates me. And then there’s the fact that, for the first three or so years of its existence, “This American Life” meant “This American Life As Lived By Young White Affluent Liberals From Big Cities Trying To Rationalize Their Existence”, and it pretty much put me off TAL forever.

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Dec 8, 2008 10:49 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

This.

His voice is extraordinarily annoying too.

"Beer is ... love ..." Ben Franklin

by Jed MC on Dec 8, 2008 10:56 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I've heard

this is pretty good, but I’ve never actually listened to it.

Screw you, Mariners. I'm back in football's loving arms. *edit: well, shit. This isn't going well.

by kevin_ess on Dec 8, 2008 10:49 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm debating whether or not I actually want to work on turning in a very late piece of work for school

It is worth 10% of my grade in one class, and I do need to keep a B average to keep scholarships (which are important), but there are 5 classes and I’m doing well enough in the others to counteract.

Also, I’m expecting that I won’t be returning to school next semester because after about 5 years I want to get back to Seattle (among other reasons).

by Two Rs and Two Ls on Dec 8, 2008 11:22 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I say you should still do it.

Better safe than sorry.

Man do I love midgets.

by Thingray on Dec 8, 2008 11:23 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Oh yeah, I totally SHOULD do it. I have no doubts about that.

But the whole motivational problem of “getting started” is becoming a major issue with me around these parts… and frankly, I hate feeling like that, which is part of the reason why I’m looking for a job.

by Two Rs and Two Ls on Dec 8, 2008 11:27 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Do you need a motivational speaker?

I’VE BEEN LIVIN’ IN A VAN, DOWN BY THE RIVER!!!

Man do I love midgets.

by Thingray on Dec 8, 2008 11:30 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm motivated.

I’m just motivated to do other things, like trying to move in with a high school friend of mine come February.

by Two Rs and Two Ls on Dec 8, 2008 11:31 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Buckle down, do the paper,

and then you can move on with no worries. Just sack up and do it.

Man do I love midgets.

by Thingray on Dec 8, 2008 11:33 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

So wait, you are leaving school without graduating after 5 years simply because you want to return to Seattle?

Get in line. I haven’t lived in the Seattle are for over 8 years now and I’m still sticking it out to get my degree. Six more months is all I can think about.

How long do you have left to finish your degree? I think after investing 5 years of your life into something you should finish it. Don’t say you want to go work for awhile and then go back later to finish your degree.

(correct me if my assumptions are wrong)

by Wilder. on Dec 8, 2008 11:38 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Also, it would be another 1.5 years for me to pick up the MBA

and I think the school has done a bad job at “selling” the MBA to me. I mean, I can be happy in a job that does not require an MBA. Having a ton of money is nice, but it’s not what’s going to make me happy in the long run.

by Two Rs and Two Ls on Dec 8, 2008 11:44 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs