Angels have their new closer -> JI = Happy
by andrewgolfsalot on Dec 31, 2008 10:22 AM PST
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PrintBrian Fuentes and the Angels have reportedly agreed on a deal.
Olney says two years. No dollar value reported.
I don't see it on Fox / SI, but Olney's pretty good authority.
And with the signing the Angels give up their first round pick to the Rockies, leaving them with two first rounders and two supplemental round picks.
Also, JI should be quite the happy camper today, as Fuentes won't be pitching for the Cardinals anytime soon.
Update: LA Times says ~$20M over two years with a club option for a third
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On the Cardinals budget that deal would have been a disaster.
(But lest we not forget the Brian Fuentes is really really good)
Awesome
The number of picks the Angels were getting in rounds 1 and 1A of the draft were terrifying. Plus, now we get to welcome Fuentes back to Safeco.
From the front page at HH
“I believe this is a good signing which will allow Shields to stay in the 8th inning role and Dondo to develop a bit more.”
It's not an actively bad signing like I hoped it would be
by Graham MacAree on Dec 31, 2008 11:31 AM PST up reply actions
While the deal is fine in a vacuum
Considering the Angels bullpen was OK to begin with, and they had to surrender their 1st round pick, it’s not that great for them.
And really it's the 25th pick and I think they have the 26th too.
by Graham MacAree on Dec 31, 2008 11:38 AM PST up reply actions
I thought their pick was 33.
I go to law school. Therefore, I have no life.
by andrewgolfsalot on Dec 31, 2008 11:50 AM PST up reply actions
Well it's essentially 3/30 anyway if he closes, since it looks like the vesting option is based on games finished
unless you were referring to that you were hoping it would be 3/30 guaranteed and then he would fall apart in year 2 and the Angels would be on the hook for the last ten million
by seattlebruin on Dec 31, 2008 3:37 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah, but if it doesn't vest
it means that even at 2/18 it’s pretty much a crap deal.
by Bearskin Rugburn on Dec 31, 2008 10:11 PM PST up reply actions
By my counts, he's worth about 1 WAR
I may be doing something wrong, but…
2.8 last year, not accounting for leverage.
by Graham MacAree on Dec 31, 2008 11:51 AM PST up reply actions
Last 3 years have been roughly 2, 0.5, 3, again without leverage
I don’t see how you get 1 out of that. I’d expect closer to 2, which would make the deal ~market value.
by Graham MacAree on Dec 31, 2008 12:07 PM PST up reply actions
His tRA projection is for a 3.7 tRA against a lg average of 4.47
His Marcel says 3.7 FIP against a lg average ~4.4
That comes out to 0.84 – 1.36 wins
Why are tRA and FIP league averages so close?
by Graham MacAree on Dec 31, 2008 12:13 PM PST up reply actions
To account for the fact that the offensive environment has changed
Otherwise you’re losing the context of his past numbers
by Graham MacAree on Dec 31, 2008 12:29 PM PST up reply actions
After long conversation and lots of maths...
I think he’s a 2 WAR closer still.
by Graham MacAree on Dec 31, 2008 1:55 PM PST up reply actions
1.4 is what I end up with.
The .41 subtraction term isn’t right. It’s .45 instead.
I wish Brian and his 66%
career LD+FB the best of luck with the Angels’ defensive alignment. If that K rate slips below 9 I think he’s not going to be markedly better than any other power reliever. He won’t embarrass himself but he’s no Rivera.
by Bearskin Rugburn on Dec 31, 2008 12:00 PM PST reply actions
Haven't you heard?
He’s a shell of himself.
I go to law school. Therefore, I have no life.
by andrewgolfsalot on Dec 31, 2008 12:44 PM PST up reply actions
I keep waiting impatiently for Rivera to implode
It seems every recent season has teased us with it: a bad start early on, a rough patch or two, and out come the premature whispers of “he’s finally cooked!” that rise up to cheers too soon. And then he suddenly turns into the Terminator again.
I’m beginning to think Mo’s gonna be pitching into his 40s.
Patriotism, Pepper, Professionalism
What Graham said
And my overall point is if Heilman finds his command (which may have been a tendinitis thing so it’s likely he’ll come back) he’ll be every bit as good as Fuentes.
by Bearskin Rugburn on Dec 31, 2008 12:44 PM PST up reply actions
I hope so too
I was just pointing out that Rivera is perhaps a bit too high of a benchmark to judge good relievers… considering he’s probably the greatest reliever of all time.
for that one pitch, he was the greatest ever...
I DRINK YOUR MILKSHAKE!!! I DRINK IT UP!!
Wow, I already forgot about that.
Best reliever ever.
by AtomicGarden on Dec 31, 2008 7:33 PM PST up reply actions
fair enough
he’s no… I dunno. What reliever made a long, successful career out of a 91mph FB?
by Bearskin Rugburn on Dec 31, 2008 10:10 PM PST up reply actions
Can't think of any
This guy was a total hack
He gave up a world series walk-off homerun to a cripple.
Foulke, Hoffman, Doug Jones, Hoyt Wilhelm
the list goes on
by JI on Jan 1, 2009 8:46 AM PST up reply actions
Still the deepest pitching staff in the West.
That aggrevating pattern of the Angels winning one-run ballgames probably continues in ’09.
It's a crazy messed-up world... It's a doggy-dogg world...
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