Memo to Rick Adair: Fix Felix's Fastball
It is no secret that we think that Felix Hernandez throws too many fastballs. With tremendous off-speed pitches, Felix's fastball, especially his 4-seam, is possibly the worst pitch in his repertoire. This is understandably tough for a bull-headed young pitcher to comprehend because for most pitchers, they have had velocity velocity velocity drilled into their heads from a young age. It's velocity that gets you noticed by pro scouts when you are a measly teenager in Venezuela. The velocity on your fastball is what got you where you are and when you end up under the tutelage of noted fastball-fetishist Mel Stottlemyre, it makes it no easier to heed the advice of others.
So, much as Dave pleaded and actually got heard by Rafael Chaves who in turn was able to broach the subject with Felix, the task is largely going to fall to you Rick Adair, our new pitching coach. First off, Felix is throwing way too many fastballs. We hammered on this all throughout 2008, but just look at the jump in 2008. 66% fastballs last year, up from two seasons of 57%. During that same time span we saw Felix's overall swinging strike percentage drop from 9.7% to 8.6%, a troubling fall.
Here is what I find to be a nifty chart. I separated Felix's pitches into two categories: fastballs and non-fastballs. I then computed how often the pitch was swung at and missed and how often it was called a ball.
Felix threw more fastballs in 2008 and his ability to miss bats with them fell. He also lost some ability to throw them for strikes. That's a big double whammy. Meanwhile, look at how often Felix gets a missed bat when he throws an off speed pitch! And notice how he does not even need to go outside the zone any more often than he does with his fastball to accomplish that. If instead of saying "Fastball", the above chart said "Pitch X", wouldn't you be calling for Felix to stop throwing Pitch X?
Okay, so throwing the fastball too often (read: at all) is the first problem. The second problem, seeing as how I expect to Felix to go right ahead and continue to throw fastballs, is the location of those fastballs. I mentioned above the falling strike and missed bat rates from 2007 to 2008 on fastballs. Notably, Felix saw a big decline in throwing fastballs for strikes to left-handed batters and in throwing fastballs for a swinging strike to right-handed batters.
Tackling the lefties first, we saw visually see what happened by going back to my awesome heat maps. On the left is 2007, the right, 2008.


The up-and-in area that Felix went to with some regularity in 2007 is pretty much gone. Felix simply abandoned the idea of throwing fastballs inside to left-handers in 2008. Whereas in 2007 the distribution of location is fairly centralized, 2008 is obviously skewed, massing around the outer edge of the strike zone.
Moving on to right-handers, the heat maps again help illustrate the issue, spotting the potential cause for the drop in swinging strikes.


Look at the down and away corner (lower-right). That's the bread-and-butter area for pitchers and Felix used to set up shop there in 2007. Come 2008 and he is all over the place instead. Also compare the ratio of pitches landing in the upper third of the zone between the years and it becomes clear that Felix's fastball was elevated more in 2008. That's fine if you manage to get more missed bats that way (which is the general relationship between pitching up in the zone and strikeouts), but our chart above showed that not to be the case and instead all Felix ended up with is a nine-point drop in his ground ball rate.
Mr. Adair, Felix's fastball is holding him back and actually causing him to get worse at an age and experience level when he should be making a leap forward. You need to get it through to him that he was much better off when he was throwing it at 2006-7 frequency and locating it down in the zone. I do not think it is hyperbole to say that until Felix makes those changes, we will not see the Cy Young-caliber pitcher that he can be unless he magically learns to command his fastball like Greg Maddux.
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Two things:
1) Could we get Felix’s fastball GB% split by handedness?
2) How does Felix’s fastball GB% against righties change with height of location?
by Jeff on Dec 29, 2008 12:13 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Number 1 is easy, Number 2 I can look at tonight.
Percentages are number of groundballs divided by all batted balls, 2007 first.
To RHB: 51.6% / 39.3%
To LHB: 40.3% / 32.8%
Yeah, that’s a huge drop.
by Matthew on Dec 29, 2008 11:47 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting about the lefties
we can guess why his GB% dropped against righties based on the pictures above, but what about lefties? Do inside fastballs get hit on the ground more often than outside fastballs?
by Jeff on Dec 29, 2008 11:57 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, while there's no red-handed culprit like down and away is for RHB, just looking across the top row
against LHB shows more elevated fastballs to them as well.
And yeah, I would imagine that inside pitches end up as groundballs more often since the handle of the bat typically is higher than the barrel.
by Matthew on Dec 29, 2008 12:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
But it looks like there are more low fastballs too
As for the second thing, yeah, I’m inclined to agree.
by Jeff on Dec 29, 2008 12:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
To pound on my 2 seam fastball point later in the thread
You throw 2 seamers less to opposite handed batters because he may have worse control of this pitch resulting in a significantly lower GB%?
Are the average velocities to LHB and RHB different?
(this is a pretty crappy hypothesis probably)
by Edgar for Pres on Dec 29, 2008 12:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think it will take a crack squad of hard nosed coaches
to crack the development problems the Mariners have. In addition to the fastball obsession, they might give Yuni a primer on where the strike zone actually ends and maybe explain to Vlad what a breaking ball is.
They will have to be lead by a hard-nosed badass who doesn’t take any crap from anyone, and keeps Carlos Silva in line with roundhouse kicks to the face:

In all seriousness though (if I haven’t totally abandoned it already). What exactly did you mean by
Okay, so throwing the fastball too often (read: at all) is the first problem.
I agree that Felix throws way too many fastballs, especially when he throws 10 strait in the first inning, but “at all”? I can’t imagine that he wouldn’t suck if he completely stopped throwing fastballs. The 95 MPH fastball improves all of his secondary pitches, he just needs to use the secondary pitches more to take advantage of how awesome they are.
I would be happier if his fastball rate came down to 50-55 personally.
by Vatinius on Dec 29, 2008 12:59 AM PST reply actions 2 recs
I must say, I'm really digging the "Waka, Seattle Ranger" meme
Every day I hear about Seattle sports' failures. Every night I fall asleep to the sound of my own tears.
by Benne on Dec 29, 2008 2:30 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
So who is going to hand this letter to Mr. Adair?
I fucking hate you Mariners
by kentroyals5 on Dec 29, 2008 1:50 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Fan Fest is coming up
It will be pretty easy to ask a question about his pitching philosophy as it relates to establishing the fastball in between questions about what his favorite restaurant in Seattle is.
by katal on Dec 29, 2008 8:27 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
At first I read this as "Memo to Rick Flair"
by Goose on Dec 29, 2008 5:35 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I prefer the triple woo, increasing in intensity...
woo! wooo!! WOOOOO!!!!!!
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by abender20 on Dec 29, 2008 9:18 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Is it possible?
That maybe Felix is just never going to be the pitcher we all hoped he would turn in to because he can’t (with any regularity) command his fastball?
Is there a starting pitcher out there that throws his fastball 50% or less of the time and has regular success?
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by MfaninAlaska on Dec 29, 2008 8:40 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Ted Lilly threw only 49% fastballs and he was decent last year.
Of course, he doesn’t throw nearly as hard as Felix.
by Crystal for DH on Dec 29, 2008 8:54 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
There are a few.
Halladay, Sonnanstine, Shields and Litsch, among others. (2008 Fangraphs numbers)
But those are guys with pretty outstanding command, which Felix doesn’t have. Yet, even if his command of his fastball never ranks up there with guys like that, he can still be an outstanding pitcher by missing bats with his breaking stuff.
by Teej on Dec 29, 2008 8:56 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Felix is already a good pitcher.
I think he has peaked. [/reverse psycology].
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Personal M's record: 5-4.
by EnglishMariner on Dec 29, 2008 8:56 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Where did you get the leap to Felix needing to throw a fastball less than 50% of the time?
His old level of 57% was fine.
by Matthew on Dec 29, 2008 9:58 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
His old level of 57%
still didn’t make him one of the elite pitchers in the major leagues, so my assumption was if he was better at 57% then going less then that (because of missed bat rates of his secondary pitches) would elevate his performance.
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by MfaninAlaska on Dec 29, 2008 10:57 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I would say that it came pretty close. Felix was a top 15 pitcher in baseball in 2006 and 2007 by tRA*.
The elements holding him back in 06 and 07 were poor defense, unlucky home run rates and horrid pitch sequencing. Felix can reach elite-hood staying in the mid 50s on FB percentage, so long as he doesn’t insist on starting a game off with 20 in a row.
by Matthew on Dec 29, 2008 11:11 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe Felix could see what taking a few MPH off his fastball would have on his command.
Would be interesting to see his GB% and SwStr rate after the changes.
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Personal M's record: 5-4.
by EnglishMariner on Dec 29, 2008 9:01 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Felix by velocity last year:
91-94: 63% strike, 4.6% swinging strike
94-97: 67% strike, 5.9% swinging strike
97+: 63% strike, 12% swinging strike
by Jeff on Dec 29, 2008 11:13 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Dept. of Arm Preservation question
Is Felix’s high FB percentage an effort by the coaching staff to keep his arm healthy for the long term? He went through a slider prohibition period, for example. Maybe the secret plan is to give us the Full Felix in 2010?
by flightrisk on Dec 29, 2008 9:14 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
While that is an interesting possibility,
no way Fat Mell actually had thoughts like that. He likes fastballs, and he wanted his pitchers throwing them.
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by abender20 on Dec 29, 2008 9:20 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That would be pretty stupid.
You shouldn’t restrict his arsenal until he’s one year away from free agency unless you know (and you can’t know) that he’d get hurt otherwise. And if you did somehow know that, why the hell are you letting him pitch at all?
by Matthew on Dec 29, 2008 10:00 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Given his still tender age
and the hope that he’ll be in the elite class of SPs someday, you can bet the M’s management have had lots of serious talks about protecting Felix’s development… both in terms of possible injuries as well as work habits, psychological maturity, etc. I still believe that the reason we put up with Miguel Cairo was that they thought he was the right personality to be a good influence on the young latino players on the team.
But I also think the obvious answer to why so many fastballs, is that most pitching coaches think you have to establish the fastball to set up all your other pitches. And that you can last 120 pitches per outing if you mostly throw “easy gas”. I think an interesting question would be what did Clemens, Pedro Martinez and Roy Halladay (or whoever you think Felix is similar to) throw when they were young stars becoming elite pitchers? Did they throw 60+ percent fastballs?
by johnbai on Dec 29, 2008 12:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You make an interesting, if inconclusive case
His off-speed pitches are no doubt helped by his fastball, and at first glance it would appear the data support that, with an increase in his swinging-strike % in 2008 in the less-frequently-thrown-non-fastballs. In other words, the non-fastballs are more effective the less frequently he uses them.
What I’d be interested in seeing is the fastball for L/R splits for the two years, but assuming an equal rate, it appears his swinging-strike is the same for LHB’s in 2007/8—that the swinging-strike% drop between 2007 and 2008 is almost exclusively for RHB’s. It appears as though the major difference between 2007 and 2008 is that he missed fewer RH bats and missed the strike zone more against LH bats.
Yet we have this consolation with us, that the harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph.
by JordanB on Dec 29, 2008 9:48 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
1) You say no doubt, yet you present no evidence.
2) Even if that were the case (which is likely), the increase in missed bats on the non-fastballs is so slight that it’s still a terrible idea to load up on fastballs. Otherwise, his overall missed bat rate wouldn’t have fallen an entire point.
I have no idea what you are saying in the second paragraph that I didn’t already state with “Felix saw a big decline in throwing fastballs for strikes to left-handed batters and in throwing fastballs for a swinging strike to right-handed batters.”
by Matthew on Dec 29, 2008 10:06 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I shouldn't have said "no doubt"
but intuitively, the less you throw a pitch, the less the batter expects it and the data you provided show that to be the case for Felix (2007 to 2008: more frequent fastballs, less frequently missed; less frequent off-speed, more frequently missed). I’m not saying he should load up on fastballs either. I’m just saying there are potential offsetting factors. The location of the fastballs may be the key concern, with the frequency being a secondary concern.
I missed that sentence, thanks for pointing it out.
At any rate, I enjoyed the article.
Yet we have this consolation with us, that the harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph.
by JordanB on Dec 29, 2008 10:41 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Of course there are offsetting factors,
but it’s pretty clear that they do not outweigh the potential gain being wasted by throwing more offspeed pitches.
by Matthew on Dec 29, 2008 11:13 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well I'm not ready to go so far as to say it's "pretty clear"
But you make a compelling case, nonetheless.
Yet we have this consolation with us, that the harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph.
by JordanB on Dec 29, 2008 12:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Again
We’re only talking about a change from 66% to 57… about 9 of his pitches… or 1 in 11 pitches being a curveball instead of a fastball.
The control on his fastball seems really alarming though. He seemed to have an approach in 2007… whereas he just seems to be throwing it somewhere near the strikezone in 2008. Injury? Lack of focus?
by johnbai on Dec 29, 2008 12:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
stupid sbn formatting
stole two of my % signs. >:(
by johnbai on Dec 29, 2008 12:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
What is the feeling about his 4 seam vs 2 seam FB?
We loved the 2 seam to start with but it seems like he loses his feel for it sometimes which probably makes him use it sporadically. That pitch seems like one which does not miss many bats but is a groundball machine. What are people’s feeling about his 2 seam vs 4 seam FB mix?
Can you separate the 2 seam fastballs from the 4 seam fastballs and do the same analysis you did above? Also wondering if he threw more or less 2 seam vs 4 seam fastballs this year.
by Edgar for Pres on Dec 29, 2008 11:48 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
The two-seamers and four-seamers are essentially impossible to separate accurately
by Jeff on Dec 29, 2008 11:53 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Shouldn't they have at least two kinda distinct speeds?
by Edgar for Pres on Dec 29, 2008 11:57 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
We can separate fastballs by velocity
but there is nothing in the PITCHf/x data that easily and accurately splits them up. He has a certain velocity and movement range, but with fairly homogeneous distribution, so there are no clear dividing points.
by Jeff on Dec 29, 2008 12:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Damn
It might still be interesting to peek at the results using a dividing point of maybe 92 mph or something like that.
by Edgar for Pres on Dec 29, 2008 12:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
by Jeff on Dec 29, 2008 12:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah I saw that. That makes me think that maybe
those slow fastballs are actually 2 seam fastballs. If thats the case those slow fastballs should have a pretty high GB% right?
by Edgar for Pres on Dec 29, 2008 12:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
What would be really helpful is going over the data already knowing which pitches were two-seamers and which were four-seamers
That would allow us to try and give each pitch a distinct numerical identity. But, yeah, no.
by Jeff on Dec 29, 2008 12:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He doesn't make it any easier by throwing "changeups" at 88-90 mph either.
by Matthew on Dec 29, 2008 12:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I wish his changeup didn't look so much like a slow fastball in the data
by Jeff on Dec 29, 2008 2:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If only the coaches called his curveball a "curved fastball"
by JI on Dec 29, 2008 3:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I like how I started that, yet you linked to yourself.
http://www.lookoutlanding.com/2008/9/16/615811/9-16-open-game-thread#8791816
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by Faux on Dec 29, 2008 7:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Just hack into some database
constructed by one of those MLB firms which goes through and identifies every pitch. They probably have a monkey making peanuts who watches the ball coming out of the pitcher’s hand on every pitch he makes.
by Edgar for Pres on Dec 29, 2008 12:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Just run k-means with two clusters and see what happens.
by Graham on Dec 29, 2008 12:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Fuzzy-means, then
And just call each pitch x% 2-seamer, y% 4-seamer depending on how fuzzy weights it.
by Graham on Dec 29, 2008 12:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I ran the gauntlet of tests back in the middle of '08
I didn’t get anything useful out of them. The best we can do is say anything under 93 mph we’ll call a 2-seam and anything over 96 we’ll call a 4-seam and just toss out the rest.
Of course, there’s still blurring with his change-up at the lower end of the 2-seam.
by Matthew on Dec 29, 2008 1:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Sometimes he throws 2-seamers that look like 4-seamers and 4-seamers that look like 2-seamers
I wish I could tell you how much time Matthew and I have spent trying to figure this out.
by Jeff on Dec 29, 2008 12:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Do you think you could be 75% right?
You don’t have to be perfect. Or is it closer to being a computer brainfart when you run the analysis?
by Edgar for Pres on Dec 29, 2008 12:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I thought back to this:
Arm slot.
Observationally speaking, I don’t think he’s been the same since that injury.
Obviously he shouldn’t go back to throwing in a manner that puts his arm at increased risk, but a change in approach seems to be in order. Mel and Norm’s establish the fastball thing didn’t work so great. It often seemed like hitters were keyed in on nothing but the fastball last year. Not surprising when you throw it 2/3 of the time. They do have these scouting report thingys….
Hopefully the new coaching regime has a more pragmatic approach. Felix is still young enough to make some leaps forward.
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by Big Jared on Dec 29, 2008 12:41 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
What program did you use to generate the heat maps?
by Robert on Dec 30, 2008 8:43 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
heatmapzrule.exe
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by pdb on Dec 30, 2008 10:18 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
tHMP
the Heat Map Program
aka “Thump!”
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