Our Gift to You: Math!
by Matthew on Dec 25, 2008 2:08 PM PST
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PrintNo, not really, but rather, just a story about the triumphs of statistical analysis in sports. So if you want to kill 20 minutes away from the family or are just on a break while your greasy friend sets up a new deck for the marathon dungeons and dragons game in your mother's basement (why is it always the mother's basement anyways? It always seemed to me that is was the fathers who wanted a basement), here's a decent read.
HS Football Coach Defies Conventional Wisdom, Wins State Title
Kelley's team only punted twice in 2007 − once as an act of sportsmanship to prevent running up the score − and never after that Dollarway game.
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Kelley supports this rationale with numbers analysis.
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An innovative and statistics-minded coach, Kelley became further emboldened after reading several studies, including "Do Firms Maximize? Evidence from Pro Football," by University of California-Berkeley economics professor David Romer. Kelley also examined ZEUS, a computer program developed by Chuck Bower, who has a doctorate in astrophysics, and Frank Frigo, a game theory expert, to model and predict football outcomes.
Happy holidays everyone. Enjoy your final week of existence 2008, I'm coming for you.
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"why is it always the mother's basement anyways. It always seemed to me that is was the father's who wanted a basement"
a mother’s basement is more likely to be free for D&D … a father’s basement would be filled with his own crap …
Really?
Cause I thought I remember it being a shitty time in Germany because they lacked the American loans needed to pay reparations for WW1, which led to more economic/political instablity and a climate suitable for Hitler’s rise to power.
by A Public Alias on Dec 25, 2008 4:30 PM PST up reply actions
So...
Basically this guy plays like a few assholes on Madden that go for it on 4th Down EVERYTIME, and does onside kicks EVERYTIME.
I hated playing against those guys. Although I was good at playing Madden online, these guys always seemed to be successful. I believe that the aggressive offensive strategy causes the opponent to alter their game plan, keeps the defense on the field longer than usual, and ultimately puts a lot of pressure on their own offense to score every possession. I started doing that online that had moderate to above average success, however, I always felt cheap because I wasn’t playing with “conventional strategies.” I would not play like that against a friend though, as it seems like a quick way to lose friends that use to play Madden with you.
BTW, didn’t USC go on 4th downs quite a bit a couple years ago? I remember them being quite successful as well…
Insert perverted sports related sexual innuendo
Starting in 07ish, They rewrote the code at John Madden's request to make it more difficult to convert on 4th.
Drop passes, collapsed pockets and errant throws are much more likely on 4th.
Yeah, but the QB sneak
is still automatic. At 4th & < 3 yards, it’s a conversion 90% of the time. I never miss with QB’s like Seneca.
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
USC will almost always go for it
on 4th and less than 9 on the opponents side of the 50, regardless of the score. It is about being aggressive and instilling confidence in your players.
You know what? Fuck you Sports Gods, fuck you.
In the spirit of math
Why does tRA hate Chien-Ming Wang while FIP likes him alot? Seems like one of the bigger career differences I’ve seen.
(also, career totals for statcorner would be a nice touch)
Probably a more extreme reasoning for why Wang's xFIP is considerably higher hten his FIP
Homerun to flyball rate, strikeout to walk rate… etc
Fans are typically idiots.
by The Typical Idiot Fan on Dec 25, 2008 6:06 PM PST up reply actions
That, plus Wang's LD rate is poor the last few years
and tRA is modeled on runs allowed while FIP/xFIP is modeled on ERA, so to compare the two you have to add ~0.4 to FIP/xFIP
Yeah i was just surprised how big of a difference it was
I’m guessing he’s one of the most different using tRA.
by Edgar for Pres on Dec 26, 2008 2:20 AM PST up reply actions
No
Engineering is applied math.
The
Richie,
the
by Rollo Tomasi on Dec 26, 2008 1:20 AM PST up reply actions
No physics is applied math
Engineering is applied physics.
By the time the math gets to us it tends to be pretty a butchered version which mathematicians would probably have nightmares about.
by Edgar for Pres on Dec 26, 2008 2:22 AM PST up reply actions
I really hope real engineers are more strict than software engineers
because if the same process that I go through to write and push live code is the same that goes into building actual things than I may have some issues.
Way to steal post ideas
from Gregg Easterbrook. He had a thing about this recently as part of his told you so on the whole anti punting philosophy he has.
You know what? Fuck you Sports Gods, fuck you.
I love how the mathematician is a woman.
by Kirsten Schlewitz on Dec 25, 2008 9:03 PM PST reply actions
As though mathematicians ever wear their hair long.
by Kirsten Schlewitz on Dec 26, 2008 6:54 PM PST up reply actions
I'm suspicious of the lack of a beard.
All the guys at the math department of my university have ridiculous beards to go with their long hair.
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Having the better team doesn't hurt either
They’ve lost a total of three conference games in the last eight years while attracting the best students and athletes from in and around the city of Little Rock. He’s maximizing the advantage, but realize it’s about like USC (which has a RB from this high school) going for it every time vs. Washington.
Every baseball manager should tattoo this on their forearms for easy in-game reading
“Just because something’s always been done that way,” Kelley said, “doesn’t mean it should continue to be done that way.”
A-fricking-men.
Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.
This is a great story
However, I’m annoyed that the article’s first bit of analysis of the no punt strategy is that it works because you have a strategic advantage on 3rd and long. (Uhm, is the big advantage that it’s easier to get your first down in four attempts than in three?) It reminds of Dusty Baker’s observation that walking is good because it makes your opponent pitch from the stretch. Okay, it’s not that dumb, but it’s not very smart either.
The big advantage
Is that when you punt, you are obligated to pass on 3rd and long, so the defense has an advantage because they can anticipate this.
If you don’t punt, you can run or pass on 3rd and long, so the defense has to be ready for both. This is a not insignificant thing.
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