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Wakamatsu, who replaced Riggleman, said Thursday that Lopez could be his starting first baseman on Opening Day.

It's all about the defense and helping the pitching staff, Wakamatsu said, pointing to the case of reliever Roy Corcoran. The right-hander gets most of his outs on ground balls, which is normally a good thing -- but not when he's pitching in front of a porous infield.
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"The fact is that we have to catch more ground balls."

I don't really have anything to add to what Dave already said this morning, so go there for the numerical analysis. The bottom line is that moving Jose Lopez to first base would only address one issue at the expense of another. It's not a move that I feel would be in the organization's long-term best interests.

But at the same time, Jesus, look at some of the stuff that comes up in this article.

-manager cites pitcher's GB/FB instead of saying "I went with Mateo because we needed a double play"

-manager discusses how important it is for the team to play better infield defense

-manager expresses willingness to move established 2B to another position in order to accomodate a better glove

-manager mentions Jason Barlett's defense as a major driving force behind Tampa Bay's turnaround

It's jaw-dropping is what it is. This isn't the sort of move I want the team to make, but the thought process behind it is unlike anything we ever would've seen from the Bavasi administration. It's a whole new path. The Seattle Mariners of today may have a logo and parts of a roster in common with the Seattle Mariners of 2008, but the people in charge couldn't be any more different if they tried. Defense. They're talking about real life, actual defense. This is everything I've ever dreamed of, and so much more.

I feel like someone's stolen my identity. And that's not a complaint. I don't know what it's like to root for a team like this, but I can't wait to find out. Did it hurt, Zduriencik? Did it hurt when you fell from heaven?

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Re: Lopez

TRADE TRADE TRADE GO GO GO

by JI on Dec 19, 2008 3:44 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Trade would do nicely

except that I wouldn’t mind seeing Yuni run out of town as well

by JI on Dec 19, 2008 3:46 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Thank you

I love Graham and Dave but Yuni blows in every direction.

by Sec 108 on Dec 19, 2008 7:19 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

This.

Even if he ends up to be equal to Lopez defensively with a positional adjustment, or even +5, I still don’t care and want Yuni as far away from this team as possible. Nothing would be more disappointing to me than Yuniesky Betancourt being on the 2009 Mariners opening day roster.

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by BrettJMiller on Dec 20, 2008 12:28 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Why do you think he would be average at 2B?

I think most of us would say his arm is not very accurate and he lacks range. Those things make bad SS and 2B. If he is -15 at SS, is 2B 15 runs easier? Using the standard defensive spectrum we’d expect around a 7.5 run improvement. That doesn’t mean he would be a -7.5 run defender but it does mean it should be our baseline for expectations. What do you think would give him the other 7.5 run improvement?

by Edgar for Pres on Dec 20, 2008 2:18 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Or maybe you think Yuni isn't as bad as he was last year.

You probably expect regression which is probably the smart thing. I’m afraid he will only get worse.

by Edgar for Pres on Dec 20, 2008 2:19 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

His three year average is ~-6

I don’t think it’s that nutty to say he’s neutral or better.

by JI on Dec 20, 2008 3:48 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think its nutty either

If you think he’s one of the worst SS in the leauge he probalby won’t be an average 2B though. Its like saying Griffey would be average in RF when he was horrible in CF.

If you think Yuni is more a -5 to -10 SS then he’d probalby be about as good as Lopez at 2B theoretically.

by Edgar for Pres on Dec 20, 2008 3:51 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

While the new direction is awesome and refreshing

can their be too much emphasis placed on defense at the expense of offense? Its possible that this team could field a regular lineup of:
Kenji/Clement – Lopez – Glove 2nd baseman – Yuni – Beltre – Chavez – Gutierrez – Ichiro. While it would be quite the tremendous defensive club there’s not much offense in there even if you have the Branyan/Shelton DH platoon.

Midnight Baseball - No Lights - Only in Alaska!

by MfaninAlaska on Dec 19, 2008 4:12 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

There's plenty of time...

…for Jack Z. to make some moves for some offense. I think there may be possibilities to add a quality bat or two even if he waits until the deadline.

Shoot, this new D might make Washburn look so good that we actually get some value from him on the trade market.

by Sentinel on Dec 19, 2008 4:16 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

They only inherited so much flexibility so I'm willing to give them some time to sort everything out

They’re only just beginning. I’m sure the offense will come when it needs to.

by Jeff on Dec 19, 2008 4:19 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Coooool, he's the manager so I get his reasoning.

Just weird after Riggles and Co. to see one try and manage his roster to emphasize their strengths, minimize their flaws. Anybody wanna bet Wakamatsu puts Vidro batting cleanup?
How long before players start bitching about being called out in the press? How long until Wakamatsu says “suck it, play better!”?

Formerly dpseadvr.

by Kermit. on Dec 19, 2008 4:16 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

The Mariners are quickly becoming my second favorite team and my favorite AL team.

I love this organization.

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by Jack Moore on Dec 19, 2008 4:19 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

And this is the manager we're talking about.

The guy we’ll have to deal with almost every game. His moves, strategy, ideals, his press conferences, etc.

I remember when we had a manager who wished he could run out the same batting lineup for 162 games.

by ThundaPC on Dec 19, 2008 4:40 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

If this type of stuff continues

We may have to consider changing the LL Image to something more optimistic!
Who would have dreamed of this day…

by mariners124m on Dec 19, 2008 6:09 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Tweak the font color & placement, and it could work.

Or maybe a throwback tribute to the previous LL image of the sinking ship…one being dredged up from the bottom of the ocean, perhaps?

Patriotism, Pepper, Professionalism

by esoteric on Dec 19, 2008 6:28 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Your obsession with the Cards continue to be delightfully irrelevant.

Then again, if the Nats had any cool .gifs to post like this you bet I’d be plastering them all over LL too.

Patriotism, Pepper, Professionalism

by esoteric on Dec 19, 2008 8:53 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

When I renew my mlbtv subscription in April

I’ll need to make one of Molina taking Heilman deep.

by JI on Dec 19, 2008 9:14 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

It WAS perfect

Given the abysmal state of the team and the incompetence of the front office running it

Yet now, with a light at the end of the tunnel, it’s no longer as fitting

by mariners124m on Dec 20, 2008 1:33 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I suggest

You may gain some yards on the ground, but eventually Lofa will end up biting you in the ass.

by Scruffy Lefty on Dec 19, 2008 6:19 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

As a verrrrrry infrequent poster here

I just wanted to say that this is a reference to one of my favorite pieces ever written. If me wanting the Mariners to suck so that Jeff keeps turning out this kind of material makes me wrong then I don’t want to be right.

Fuckin' Richie Sexson man!

by TheBishop on Dec 20, 2008 8:13 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

If Lopez moves from second to first...

then what was the point of dealing Valbuena for Carp? I think it would make more sense to deal Beltre for a package that includes a middle infielder and then move Lopez to third base.

by DAMellen on Dec 19, 2008 7:56 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Where does this belief come from?

For whatever reason when I look back to his time at SS I remember his arm being fine.

Was it really that bad or are we assuming that because he is at 2nd?

by Sec 108 on Dec 20, 2008 7:23 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Ya when did his arm become a problem?

You may gain some yards on the ground, but eventually Lofa will end up biting you in the ass.

by Scruffy Lefty on Dec 20, 2008 9:32 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I was pretty sure that he was gonna move to 2nd because we had Yuni and Beltre.

I don’t remember ever hearing about us wanting to move him to 3rd.

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by BrettJMiller on Dec 20, 2008 12:18 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

It was because of all the weight he put on in AAA

And the perceived lack of range that came with it. His arm is not amazing, but it is just as good as Yunis if not better.

by Sec 108 on Dec 20, 2008 3:32 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't know about that.

Yuni can put the ball ten rows back above the dugout. I’ve never seen Lopez go that extra yard.

by Vatinius on Dec 21, 2008 2:12 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah.

Accurate or not, Yuni has a cannon. I don’t see that in Lopez.

by Teej on Dec 21, 2008 2:27 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I would not call Yuni's arm a cannon

His throws all loop. He does not throw on a line at all.

by Sec 108 on Dec 21, 2008 8:31 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Its hard to find a 2B that needs to make a throw to show off their arm

I’d probably have Lopez play 3B than Yuni just based on how bad I feel Yuni’s arm is.

Report. Yuni got an 8 for accuracy on the fan’s ballot. Lopez is slightly below average across the board. Yuni sucks hard in a couple categories.

by Edgar for Pres on Dec 21, 2008 11:03 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Alternatively....

…this shows this administration always keeps in mind multiple sets of tactics to get to a predetermined strategy.

Whereas, previous GMs focussed in on one type of tactic and stuck with it, instead of adjusting them to fit the options available.

by rtang on Dec 19, 2008 9:43 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

There's just no doubt this is a good sign.

These guys actually have brains in their heads.

ignacio

by ignacio on Dec 20, 2008 12:56 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

What about this tidbit?
The Mariners had hoped to get an answer from pitcher R.A. Dickey by Friday if he was going to accept their offer of a split majors-minors contract for 2009.

by Edgar for Pres on Dec 20, 2008 2:28 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

That’s just too perfect.

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by Jack Moore on Dec 21, 2008 12:05 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Wait, what?
Wakamatsu said… “With the talent that [Yuni] has, it’s a shame that he hasn’t won a Gold Glove.”

by Vatinius on Dec 21, 2008 2:17 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

He's a manager. He's supposed to say that.

And to be honest, I still see that potential in Yuni. He’s been my favorite non-Felix Mariner for years, so maybe I’m biased, but it’s hard to clear your brain of those amazing plays he used to make.

by Teej on Dec 21, 2008 2:31 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

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