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OTPFOTD: 12/17 - Jump the Shark Edition

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It appears that the Office is going to jump the shark for the episode after the Super Bowl. Jack Black and Jessica Alba? Uuuuuuughhh...To me, this is just the culmination of a slow, steady decline that started with the last episode of the third season.

So, my question to you is what are your favorite (?) jump the shark moments? I can think of a couple:

  • The original "jump the shark" on "Happy Days" where Fonzie actually jumps a shark.


  • Steve Urkel appears on the show "Step By Step" as, well, Steve Urkel.


  • Jay Sherman ("The Critic") appearing on "The Simpsons".

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It's supposed to hit pdx within the next two hours or so

and the ugly gray sky seems to confirm that theory.

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by pdb on Dec 17, 2008 8:57 AM PST up reply actions  

We didn't until about an hour ago

I was skeptical of the promised arrival of snow, but now I’m not.

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by pdb on Dec 17, 2008 9:00 AM PST up reply actions  

Usually it hits us first and then moves south.

So now I’m really down about our prospects. I see sun, damn it.

by Kirsten Schlewitz on Dec 17, 2008 9:03 AM PST up reply actions  

Patience. The sky is pretty ugly here in Northgate.

Screw you, Mariners. I'm back in football's loving arms. *edit: well, shit. This isn't going well.

by kevin_ess on Dec 17, 2008 9:59 AM PST up reply actions  

Ugly in Reh-in town, too

Windy as hell, also

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by tootthekazoo on Dec 17, 2008 10:00 AM PST up reply actions  

I just hate everyone that got snow right now

Cause I’m at work right now and have this sneaking suspicion that it’s going to snow/freezing rain later. Then I’ll spend 3 hours on a bus trying to get home.

I fucking hate you Mariners

by kentroyals5 on Dec 17, 2008 9:13 AM PST up reply actions  

This is just making it wasier for me to skip work today

I just read that the snow will begin in earnest for Seattle and the Eastside at around noon or so, and I’m supposed to leave for work at 1:30

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by tootthekazoo on Dec 17, 2008 9:37 AM PST up reply actions  

No kidding

Here, read this and get yourself excited like I just did

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by tootthekazoo on Dec 17, 2008 9:42 AM PST up reply actions  

He did amend the snow forecast for the seattle are from 2-4...to basically 0-2.

I’ll believe it when I see it…he has no idea when/if the snow shadow will allow moisture in.

I fucking hate you Mariners

by kentroyals5 on Dec 17, 2008 9:44 AM PST up reply actions  

This is the first serious weather since I moved to a house that's seriously uphill from where I work.

I’m very curious to see how the commute home goes if pdx turns out to be hit as hard as it’s supposed to be.

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by pdb on Dec 17, 2008 9:44 AM PST up reply actions  

It's snowing like a sonofabitch in the other Vancouver.

We’re had about 3 inches today, to add to the 4 inches we already had on the ground from Saturday, and it’s starting to look not at all like the west coast.

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by Llewdor on Dec 17, 2008 10:13 AM PST up reply actions  

I second this.

I was told we’d get 2-3 inches overnight. I know I should be grateful that my morning commute was easy, but really, I wanted to wake up to a nice blanket of snow.

the other angels fan

by Eyebrows on Dec 17, 2008 9:00 AM PST up reply actions  

Didn't the baby get taken away though?

I saw an episode where somebody gave her baby up for adoption, and then took it back.

by Phil Hatzenbuehler on Dec 17, 2008 8:57 AM PST up reply actions  

nope. earlier in the season.

I'm signing Yuni and Silva up for The Biggest Loser.

by abender20 on Dec 17, 2008 8:58 AM PST up reply actions  

Bullshit

It was when House gave the guy his gun back. From time to time I go back and watch it in slow motion to see where my heart breaks in two.

by JI on Dec 17, 2008 11:51 AM PST up reply actions  

I don't really get that much out of discussing lists

but putting Black Flag on a list of “worst guitar solos”, especially that high, really misses the point of Black Flag.

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by pdb on Dec 17, 2008 9:04 AM PST up reply actions  

Doesn't it, though?

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by tootthekazoo on Dec 17, 2008 9:39 AM PST up reply actions  

The annoying thing is that they note that very issue in their discussion

but then go ahead and complain about the solo anyway.

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by pdb on Dec 17, 2008 9:39 AM PST up reply actions  

I didn't read the list

But that is stupid

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by tootthekazoo on Dec 17, 2008 9:42 AM PST up reply actions  

There are other glaring errors in the list.

Jim Martin’s solo on Epic is awesome. That’s not boring. That’s discretion.

And Steve Vai’s solo on Yankee Rose was one of his earlier pieces, and thus far less masturbatory than the entier rest of his body of work. That, and I think David Lee Roth’s solo career is terribly underrated.

Though, the list is absolutely right about Jay Jay French’s work on We’re Not Gonna take It. Seriously? The melody?

And Fear Is The Key might be the worst song Iron Maiden ever recorded. Janick was new; I don’t really blame him.

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by Llewdor on Dec 17, 2008 10:36 AM PST up reply actions  

Hmmm...
17 DEF LEPPARD
"Rocket"
Hysteria (1987)
GUITARISTS: Steve Clark and Phil Collen

No friggin’ wonder! Phil Collen can’t play guitar. He’s a drummer!

Oh, wait. That’s Phil Collins.

;-)

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by PositivePaul on Dec 17, 2008 10:46 AM PST up reply actions  

bhahahaha

35 RAGE AGAINST THE MACHINE
"Know Your Enemy"
Rage Against the Machine (1992)
GUITARIST: Tom Morello

Great solo. Has absolutely nothing to do with anything else going on in the song, but great solo.

by JI on Dec 17, 2008 11:55 AM PST up reply actions  

I suppose it depends what you think a solo is supposed to do.

In 1974 Deep Purple released a song canned Hold On that didn’t sound like anything Deep Purple had ever done before. It was pure white funk.

Their guitarist, Ritchie Blackmore, hated it. In fact, he doesn’t appear on any of the song except the solo. Apparently the band figured he’d like it if he got a solo in the song, so he laid down what would otherwise be a terrible solo (doesn’t suit the song, obvious missed notes, totally wrong tempo) – except, his solo does a brilliant job of making fun of the song. You hear that solo, and you know immediately that Ritchie hated the song and told you all about it in his guitar solo.

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by Llewdor on Dec 17, 2008 12:58 PM PST up reply actions  

Umm...
54 BRUCE SPRINGSTEEN
"Badlands"
Darkness on the Edge of Town (1978)
GUITARISTS: Bruce Springsteen,

Steve Van Zandt Powerful vocals. Huge arrangement. Bombastic production. Thin lead guitar tone.

Bruce takes that solo, and I’ve always liked that solo. This list has no cred besides the Tom Morrello quote.

by JI on Dec 17, 2008 12:02 PM PST up reply actions  

Guitar (for the practising musician) had a list of the 50 heaviest riffs of all time

in about 1995. That was a good list.

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by Llewdor on Dec 17, 2008 12:59 PM PST up reply actions  

I have found that guitar magazines disregard any plaing style

that does not highlight Malmsteem-esque acrobatics or SRV-esque “bluesmanship.” It seems like everyone who writes for those magazines are still bitter about wany-rock falling out of favor and refuse to acknowledge innovation and the necessity of stylistic evolution.

by Aaron Campeau on Dec 17, 2008 1:10 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah pretty much

Many of my favorite soloist probably wouldn’t be considered good.

by JI on Dec 17, 2008 1:11 PM PST up reply actions  

Same here.

I tend to like either strictly melodic, really simple solos or anti-solos like those Kurt Cobain was so fond of.

I love EVH thoug.

by Aaron Campeau on Dec 17, 2008 1:16 PM PST up reply actions  

Niel Young's solo from Like A Hurricane is one of my favorite

my favorite guitar player is Pete Townshend, but his good solos typically are only on live records :-\.

by JI on Dec 17, 2008 1:20 PM PST up reply actions  

My favorite guitar player is Greg Sage

and he’s exactly the kind of guitarist that these magazines are so dismissive of; not flashy, but insanely inventive. He rarely solos for longer than four measure and his solos are generally octave and/or chord based, but they’re perfect for the songs.

by Aaron Campeau on Dec 17, 2008 1:35 PM PST up reply actions  

I thought all the cool kids are calling it

“nuked the fridge” nowadays.

the other angels fan

by Eyebrows on Dec 17, 2008 8:59 AM PST reply actions  

It's a good movie, for what it is

The original Indy movies are among my favorite movies ever, so I was certainly skeptical going into the 4th. The best I can say about it is that it is definitely and Indy movie, but now with the same flair as the originals

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by tootthekazoo on Dec 17, 2008 9:41 AM PST up reply actions  

*not with the same flair...

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by tootthekazoo on Dec 17, 2008 9:41 AM PST up reply actions  

I think nostalgia caused people to despise the new Indy movie more than they should have.

Indy 1-3 were all extremely campy adventure flicks. Indy 4 was the same but with less Nazis/biblical references and more communists/aliens.

by BrianL on Dec 17, 2008 9:42 AM PST up reply actions  

That's it exactly

I generally try and go into movies with a clean slate for hype and whatnot. In the case of this movie, I tried not to compare it directly to the originals because of how much I love them. Instead, I viewed it as a standalone movie. This made me realize aside from the replacement of commies and aliens, it was the same damn formula.

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by tootthekazoo on Dec 17, 2008 9:46 AM PST up reply actions  

Wasn't Last Crusade close to perfection though?

How about that reveal of Sean Connery as his father? Then the closing credit ride into the sunset?

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by Kermit. on Dec 17, 2008 9:52 AM PST up reply actions  

Such a great movie

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by tootthekazoo on Dec 17, 2008 9:53 AM PST up reply actions  

Like you said about the clean slate approach.

After the second one, my expectations were… lowered somewhat. Forgot all about Temple of Doom about 5 minutes into the opening scene.

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by Kermit. on Dec 17, 2008 9:56 AM PST up reply actions  

Except, of course, for the nuking of the fridge

And Shia LeBeouf swinging like Tarzan through the jungle. And everything in that damn river.

Compare them on merit, and the new Indy is vastly, VASTLY worse than Raiders or Crusade.

It’s only marginally worse than Temple of Doom. Temple of Doom was awful.

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by Llewdor on Dec 17, 2008 10:39 AM PST up reply actions  

I haven't been exposed to them enough to hate them

but it does, in fact, seem like something I would hate with a white-hot passion from what little I’ve heard.

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by pdb on Dec 17, 2008 9:01 AM PST up reply actions  

Probably not.

I like their stuff, though.

by BrianL on Dec 17, 2008 9:01 AM PST up reply actions  

Listen to A Christmas Gift For You From Phil Spector about six times in a row

and your faith in Christmas music will be restored.

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by pdb on Dec 17, 2008 9:03 AM PST up reply actions  

(Jews don't have faith in christmas)

I'm signing Yuni and Silva up for The Biggest Loser.

by abender20 on Dec 17, 2008 9:04 AM PST up reply actions  

Didn't say anything about faith in Christmas

I said “faith in Christmas music”, most of which is utter and complete dreck. But the Spector record is amazing.

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by pdb on Dec 17, 2008 9:05 AM PST up reply actions  

I can handle jingle bell rock

I'm signing Yuni and Silva up for The Biggest Loser.

by abender20 on Dec 17, 2008 9:06 AM PST up reply actions  

I worked at a record store for three years.

From Thanksgiving to Christmas it was nothing but Christmas music. Yuck.

by Phil Hatzenbuehler on Dec 17, 2008 9:04 AM PST up reply actions  

It's possible.

I’ve found it’s the only xass music that I can actually listen to a whole song of, aside from Will Ferrel and whoever that hottie was in Elf singing “Baby, It’s Cold Outside”

If you don’t like normal christmas music, it may be your way of weaseling through the holidays while not getting complaints that your house isn’t “Christmasy” enough.

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by Faux on Dec 17, 2008 9:05 AM PST up reply actions  

Double swooooooooooooon

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by tootthekazoo on Dec 17, 2008 9:52 AM PST up reply actions  

Might I recommend the Twisted Sisiter Christmas album?

Or, for something more traditional, the Crash Test Dummies Christmas album?

Or, for something way more evil sounding, the Apocalyptica Christmas stuff (I’m not sure it was ever compiled into an album)?

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by Llewdor on Dec 17, 2008 10:40 AM PST up reply actions  

Crash Test Dummies Christmas album

This exists? Why was I not told?

Man do I love midgets.

by Thingray on Dec 17, 2008 10:41 AM PST up reply actions  

I've heard that one...

It’s… Okay.

Man do I love midgets.

by Thingray on Dec 17, 2008 10:43 AM PST up reply actions  

As with all Twisted Sister

I’m sure it’s probably good for about 10 minutes and then needs to be shut off. I’d still rather listen to that than to anything the Crash Test Dummies ever did.

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by pdb on Dec 17, 2008 10:44 AM PST up reply actions  

I have too

but it’s probably not the same type of thing. I want them all to die in a fire. In an extremely drawn out, boring, Canadian fire.

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by pdb on Dec 17, 2008 10:46 AM PST up reply actions  

Fair enough.

Can we at least roast marshmallows?

Man do I love midgets.

by Thingray on Dec 17, 2008 10:48 AM PST up reply actions  

I would hope so.

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by pdb on Dec 17, 2008 10:49 AM PST up reply actions  

Canadian fire?

So a fire of back bacon and Molson?

by Matthew on Dec 17, 2008 10:48 AM PST up reply actions  

And moose fat

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by pdb on Dec 17, 2008 10:49 AM PST up reply actions  

We need to bring it back.

Fuck playoff beards, I’m calling for run-to-the-playoffs-mullets for Sens fans.

by Matthew on Dec 17, 2008 10:53 AM PST up reply actions  

You know, the NHL was considering banning the playoff beard

to make the game more accessible to American fans?

They focus grouped it; I was in one.

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by Llewdor on Dec 17, 2008 10:56 AM PST up reply actions  

WTF that's the best part

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by tootthekazoo on Dec 17, 2008 10:56 AM PST up reply actions  

That's wonderful

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by tootthekazoo on Dec 17, 2008 10:57 AM PST up reply actions  

Holy crap!

Hacksaw Jim Duggan can skate?!?

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by Kermit. on Dec 17, 2008 10:59 AM PST up reply actions  

I know.

During the 2004 playoffs Mike Commodore had th best playoff beard I’ve ever seen.

And I grew up watching Lanny McDonald.

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by Llewdor on Dec 17, 2008 11:20 AM PST up reply actions  

Ahh, the good ol

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by tootthekazoo on Dec 17, 2008 10:54 AM PST up reply actions  

days

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by tootthekazoo on Dec 17, 2008 10:54 AM PST up reply actions  

Ahh, so you'd really hate the extremely slow and Canadian song they do on that album.

The Huron Carol. It’s the only trule Canadian Christmas Carol I know – it was written by missionaries to convert natives in the 17th century. A more plodding song I cannot imagine.

And CTD put it on their Christmas album.

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by Llewdor on Dec 17, 2008 10:58 AM PST up reply actions  

CTD is way better.

Brad’s voice with the swinging, jazzy style they use of God Rest Ye Merry Gentlemen is brilliant.

And their version of Jungle Bells is demented. In a good way. Sort of.

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by Llewdor on Dec 17, 2008 10:47 AM PST up reply actions  

It's called Jingle All The Way.

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by Llewdor on Dec 17, 2008 10:47 AM PST up reply actions  

And who complains about that?

So your house isn’t Christmasy. So what? It’s your house.

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by Llewdor on Dec 17, 2008 10:41 AM PST up reply actions  

24 certainly jumped the shark...

I’m not sure when though, it was sort of a slow continuous shark jumping. Maybe it is more a case of crawling over the shark gingerly.

I'm signing Yuni and Silva up for The Biggest Loser.

by abender20 on Dec 17, 2008 9:05 AM PST reply actions  

::PUNCHING TERRORIST IN THE FACE REPEATEDLY::

TELL ME WHERE THE BOMB IS!

the other angels fan

by Eyebrows on Dec 17, 2008 9:08 AM PST up reply actions  

When the cougar prowled the forest

When Jack Bauer’s entire dialogue started consisting of “I’M 20 MINUTES OUT”
When Edgar died
When there was a mole inside CTU every goddamn season that one time

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by pdb on Dec 17, 2008 9:08 AM PST up reply actions  

Which, as I discover on a daily basis, is bullshit.

I'm signing Yuni and Silva up for The Biggest Loser.

by abender20 on Dec 17, 2008 9:11 AM PST up reply actions  

I love this part too

I also love that CTU is an elite terror-fighting organization, but their entire strategy seems to be SET UP A PERIMETER NOW, and then said perimeter proves to be as strong as a wet square of toilet paper.

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by pdb on Dec 17, 2008 9:12 AM PST up reply actions  

They can also hack into the mainframe and route the packets

through the triaxial encryptions, which lets them zoom in with super-satellites and enhance images past their original quality.

the other angels fan

by Eyebrows on Dec 17, 2008 9:14 AM PST up reply actions  

Also, on that note

The terrorists only have interest in attacking Los Angeles. Repeatedly.

the other angels fan

by Eyebrows on Dec 17, 2008 9:13 AM PST up reply actions  

I wish they'd start with the big A.

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by Faux on Dec 17, 2008 9:14 AM PST up reply actions  

But it's not actually in L.A.

hence all the jokes.

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by Eyebrows on Dec 17, 2008 9:14 AM PST up reply actions  

Half of that show isn't in LA.

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by Faux on Dec 17, 2008 9:15 AM PST up reply actions  

If they think the airport is 20 minutes out, then so is Anaheim.

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by Faux on Dec 17, 2008 9:17 AM PST up reply actions  

Now I'm happy I never got into this show.

There’s been moments I’ve considered it, but this thread just took care of that rather hilariously.

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by Kermit. on Dec 17, 2008 9:24 AM PST up reply actions  

I'm the same way

Season 4 is where it really started to go downhill.

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by pdb on Dec 17, 2008 9:27 AM PST up reply actions  

It's still entertaining for what it is

The 2 hour prologue thing they aired a few weeks ago was classic 24, and from what I’ve heard from people that have seen bits of the upcoming season say it is much more like the early seasons than recently

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by tootthekazoo on Dec 17, 2008 10:06 AM PST up reply actions  

It seems like it'd have to be

because they don’t have CTU’s familiar surroundings to depend on, and in the first couple years lazy writing wasn’t a problem for 24. I’m looking forward to it.

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by pdb on Dec 17, 2008 10:07 AM PST up reply actions  

The first 17 minutes were online for a while

They were included on the dvd for the Redemption special. The first 17 minutes were damn near perfect. I’ve always loved 24 because as campy as it is, there is still nothing else like it on TV. However, I can’t remember being so excited for a new season to start

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by tootthekazoo on Dec 17, 2008 10:11 AM PST up reply actions  

Eh, it can be dumb.

But it’s a fun show. At least for a few seasons. There’s no point to watch all of them.

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by Eyebrows on Dec 17, 2008 9:26 AM PST up reply actions  

Good points. I'll keep it in mind for a rainy day.

Racing the clock as it counts down to the big boom is one my least favorite Hollywood meme’s, and it’s right there in the title. Just wrapped up Dexter so I need something to tide me over.

Formerly dpseadvr.

by Kermit. on Dec 17, 2008 9:39 AM PST up reply actions  

That's what 24 did well at first though

it’s not about one single big boom and its avoidance – there’s twists and turns, and sometimes the big boom happened so early that the story took a whole different turn. It’s just that after Season 3 they stopped being original and really relied on tired tropes and plots.

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by pdb on Dec 17, 2008 9:41 AM PST up reply actions  

WHO DO YOU WORK FOR!!!! DO IT NOW!!!!!

I'm signing Yuni and Silva up for The Biggest Loser.

by abender20 on Dec 17, 2008 9:10 AM PST up reply actions  

Next week on Lost Prison 24

Jack Bauer has to break into a remote island prison again to interrogate another terrorist mole while suffering from amnesia. Again! And he has only 4 hours to figure out how to escape before a bomb goes off in Metropolis! Again! And there’s these weird ghost things!

by Matthew on Dec 17, 2008 9:47 AM PST up reply actions  

I gave up on Prison Break after the first episode of the second season

I can’t believe that’s still on the air.

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by pdb on Dec 17, 2008 9:49 AM PST up reply actions  

This is why I haven't given up entirely on Lost yet

I’m close, the first few eps next month will tell me whether it’s worth it, but the fact they want to end it by 2011 intrigues me.

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by pdb on Dec 17, 2008 9:54 AM PST up reply actions  

I think Lost has been fantastic

It’s definitely not the same show as when it started, but it’s really shaped up since they got a deadline for the show’s ending.

Plus I am in love with the pure evil/awesome of Ben Linus.

the other angels fan

by Eyebrows on Dec 17, 2008 9:56 AM PST up reply actions  

It dipped a bit about a year ago

but I really like where it’s going. The one thing that bugs me is, actually, Ben – I love his character, and his awesome evilness, but I can’t believe that after all this PEOPLE STILL BELIEVE WHAT HE HAS TO SAY. It’s like that episode of the Simpsons where Homer has a card that says “DO THE OPPOSITE OF WHAT BART SAYS” – everyone on that island needs a card that says “DO THE OPPOSITE OF WHAT BEN SAYS BECAUSE HE’S YANKING YOUR CHAIN”.

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by pdb on Dec 17, 2008 9:58 AM PST up reply actions  

It's not that he always lies.

It’s that he always gets what he wants. Sometimes what he wants screws you over. Sometimes it’s in your mutual interest to go along with him.

And that’s why people listen to him sometimes. I’d give specific examples, but I think I’m getting close to spoilers as it is.

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by Eyebrows on Dec 17, 2008 10:05 AM PST up reply actions  

That's what I mean

I didn’t say he lied – he’s a master manipulator, though, and you’d think the people on that island would have figured this out by now.

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by pdb on Dec 17, 2008 10:06 AM PST up reply actions  

Ok but I mean, sometimes you should listen to him

[OMG SPOILERS]

If Jack had listened to him about contacting the freighter at the end of the third season, a lot of people would still be alive.

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by Eyebrows on Dec 17, 2008 10:07 AM PST up reply actions  

true enough. But Jack's kind of a dick.

The only two characters I can’t stand on that show are Jack and John. I really liked Jack at the start but he’s so blinded by his single-minded focus on getting away that he doesn’t see the bigger picture.

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by pdb on Dec 17, 2008 10:08 AM PST up reply actions  

I can't watch lost.

Everytime someone talks about it, this is the only thing going through my head.

by Matthew on Dec 17, 2008 10:15 AM PST up reply actions  

I hadn't seen that before

it’s pretty damn brilliant.

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by pdb on Dec 17, 2008 10:23 AM PST up reply actions  

I'm assuming everyone's seen this.

24 in 1994

Some pretty hilarious lines. I love the dot-matrix printer.

by DCMariner on Dec 17, 2008 12:39 PM PST up reply actions  

I haven't seen that in forever, but it's so funny

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by tootthekazoo on Dec 17, 2008 12:39 PM PST up reply actions  

Another day, another 15 minutes putting together a OTDOD,

and I get beat out in the last couple minutes again.

This time I was smart and checked first, so now it’s saved and I won’t have to spend 15 minutes tomorrow like I did today.

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by Faux on Dec 17, 2008 9:08 AM PST reply actions  

Sorry, man.

I saw there wasn’t one, and just slapped one together.

by Phil Hatzenbuehler on Dec 17, 2008 9:10 AM PST up reply actions  

I'm just proud of myself that I actually checked this time instead of just posting.

I’m set for tomorrow.

It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray

by Faux on Dec 17, 2008 9:15 AM PST up reply actions  

But I find it odd that you couldn't find the Oscar Meyer song on Youtube for the Jay Sherman bullet.

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by Faux on Dec 17, 2008 9:17 AM PST up reply actions  

Very heavily

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by tootthekazoo on Dec 17, 2008 10:13 AM PST up reply actions  

DAMMIT THERE WASN'T ENOUGH TIME!

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by tootthekazoo on Dec 17, 2008 10:13 AM PST up reply actions  

The whole Christmas song thing made me wonder

what’s the most bizarre Christmas song you know of? I have a record by a band called Kay Martin & Her Bodyguards (link contains mildly NSFW album cover art), called I Know What He Wants For Christmas (But I Don’t Know How To Wrap It), which contains the song “I Want A Casting Couch For Christmas”, which is about….well, you know. It’s truly an epically weird slice of Christmas music – as is the rest of the album.

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by pdb on Dec 17, 2008 9:11 AM PST reply actions  

That band has ruined that store.

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by Faux on Dec 17, 2008 9:30 AM PST up reply actions  

It was in the Sopranos as well, wasn't it?

I never really watched the show.

the other angels fan

by Eyebrows on Dec 17, 2008 9:33 AM PST up reply actions  

Probably, I never watched it.

But there’s a lot of stores in my area that were a part of that show.

It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray

by Faux on Dec 17, 2008 9:34 AM PST up reply actions  

They named their new group after a lawn ornament store in Wayne, NJ, near Schlesinger’s hometown of Montclair (the store has since gained further notoriety thanks to multiple appearances on HBO’s The Sopranos).

http://www.sing365.com/music/lyric.nsf/Fountains-Of-Wayne-Biography/3DDB334A979F621C482568BF00116AD6

the other angels fan

by Eyebrows on Dec 17, 2008 9:36 AM PST up reply actions  

Nap.

Not awake = not feeling either headache or hunger.

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by pdb on Dec 17, 2008 9:25 AM PST up reply actions  

Sustenance is overrated.

It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray

by Faux on Dec 17, 2008 9:23 AM PST up reply actions  

Bricks and chloroform work as well.

It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray

by Faux on Dec 17, 2008 9:27 AM PST up reply actions  

If you value your job, do not click on this link at work.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tnbXlydOfw

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by Faux on Dec 17, 2008 9:30 AM PST up reply actions  

Priest: Do you, future mrs. pdb, take pdb to be your lawfully wedded wife?

future mrs pdb: ::drools:: grrrbbbssss

Priest: you may kiss bride

I'm signing Yuni and Silva up for The Biggest Loser.

by abender20 on Dec 17, 2008 9:33 AM PST up reply actions  

I value my job but I clicked on it anyway

but my company values its internet filter so I can’t see it. I’ll check it out tonight.

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by pdb on Dec 17, 2008 9:33 AM PST up reply actions  

Anybody else dealing with high winds?

It’s blowing like crazy right now outside

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by tootthekazoo on Dec 17, 2008 9:50 AM PST reply actions  

Must mean the weather forecasters are speaking then...

Been blowing a bunch of hot air recently…have been as wrong as bacon-wrapped Veggie burgers.

I fucking hate you Mariners

by kentroyals5 on Dec 17, 2008 9:58 AM PST up reply actions  

I'm afraid I don't share that opinion of wrong.

It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray

by Faux on Dec 17, 2008 9:59 AM PST up reply actions  

Veggie burgers are delicious.

Bacon doesn’t hurt, but they’re great on their own merits.

by Aaron Campeau on Dec 17, 2008 10:00 AM PST up reply actions  

I'm not usually a fan

but I haven’t had one in years so maybe they’re better now.

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by pdb on Dec 17, 2008 10:02 AM PST up reply actions  

You're still a vegetarian if the cow was suicidal.

It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray

by Faux on Dec 17, 2008 10:04 AM PST up reply actions  

There's a huge market for depressed cows, pigs, and chickens.

Screw you, Mariners. I'm back in football's loving arms. *edit: well, shit. This isn't going well.

by kevin_ess on Dec 17, 2008 10:05 AM PST up reply actions  

They are.

Fake meat technology has come a long way these past few years.

by Aaron Campeau on Dec 17, 2008 10:05 AM PST up reply actions  

I seem to think you have a real problem with forecasters

Funny that I’m a car salesman and everybody here is fine with it, but my other choice of career when I was nearing the end of high school was Meteorology, which would have gotten me an enemy here.

HA HA HA, your Grandpa's an ASS!- Tourette's Guy (R.I.P)

by tootthekazoo on Dec 17, 2008 10:20 AM PST up reply actions  

You should investigate the 13th floor.

It could be like one of those old Sierra adventure games.

by BrianL on Dec 17, 2008 10:11 AM PST up reply actions  

I hope its not like a Sierra one because then she might die

How about a Lucasarts game? This way she will not only be unable to die, but will have much more fun because of the constant humor

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by tootthekazoo on Dec 17, 2008 10:23 AM PST up reply actions  

Because I'm always on the lookout for things monkey-related and amusing

imagine my amusement when I was driving down I-35 towards San Antonio and found the building that houses this company.

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by pdb on Dec 17, 2008 10:24 AM PST up reply actions  

As a somewhat long-distance biker I have been known to dabble in such products

but I must confess I’d never heard of this one. But now I must try it.

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by pdb on Dec 17, 2008 10:28 AM PST up reply actions  

Okay, I can see that.

Their pitch seemed more tailored to ATV riders and off-road truck drivers, and I found that to be hilarious.

by Aaron Campeau on Dec 17, 2008 10:29 AM PST up reply actions  

yeah, that is a bit odd.

but constant jostling might cause issues? I dunno, I’ve never ATV’d or off-road trucked.

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by pdb on Dec 17, 2008 10:31 AM PST up reply actions  

Hahahahaha

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by tootthekazoo on Dec 17, 2008 10:26 AM PST up reply actions  

Still my most favorite game of all time

I can damn near quote the entire thing

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by tootthekazoo on Dec 17, 2008 10:27 AM PST up reply actions  

Maybe it's like the old NES game Deja Vu.

Play slots in the basement and punch a bum in the face!

by DCMariner on Dec 17, 2008 12:52 PM PST up reply actions  

this is true.

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by pdb on Dec 17, 2008 10:15 AM PST up reply actions  

more awesome than

this?

I would lose my shit if that started playing every time the elevator stopped on the 13th floor.

by Matthew on Dec 17, 2008 10:18 AM PST up reply actions  

Today at work, we're playing Guitar Hero

Tomorrow is an all-day waffle eating contest.

by Matthew on Dec 17, 2008 10:36 AM PST up reply actions  

Pain is just weakness leaving the body!

HA HA HA, your Grandpa's an ASS!- Tourette's Guy (R.I.P)

by tootthekazoo on Dec 17, 2008 10:38 AM PST up reply actions  

Goddamn I want waffles now

Fuck eating a donut

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by tootthekazoo on Dec 17, 2008 10:44 AM PST up reply actions  

Waffles with a donut glaze and sprinkles?

I’m sure IHOP makes something like that.

Man do I love midgets.

by Thingray on Dec 17, 2008 10:46 AM PST up reply actions  

They'd be fools not to

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by tootthekazoo on Dec 17, 2008 10:49 AM PST up reply actions  

That would explain IHOP's clientele.

I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.

by Llewdor on Dec 17, 2008 10:58 AM PST up reply actions  

true.

IT’s a marathon, not a sprint.

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by pdb on Dec 17, 2008 10:38 AM PST up reply actions  

Do you know me?

My eating habits will fail miserably at this sort of thing. I’m going to spend the day trying to get people to eat a tablespoon of cinnamon between waffles.

by Matthew on Dec 17, 2008 10:46 AM PST up reply actions  

He's been there a couple weeks now

time to show them all what he’s capable of.

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by pdb on Dec 17, 2008 10:47 AM PST up reply actions  

Fun experiments!

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by pdb on Dec 17, 2008 10:49 AM PST up reply actions  

Don't you routinely eat whole pizzas and then some?

How do you fail at eating contests unless you’re facing off agaisnt Graham?

by Matthew on Dec 17, 2008 10:54 AM PST up reply actions  

Nothing misleading about it

Omelettes are packed full of stuff, pancakes and waffles are basically like eating a bag of flour. Delicious flour, sure, but still.

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by pdb on Dec 17, 2008 10:56 AM PST up reply actions  

Donut shop idea

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by pdb on Dec 17, 2008 11:05 AM PST up reply actions  

WINNER

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by pdb on Dec 17, 2008 11:06 AM PST up reply actions  

I have never heard of such a thing

but it sounds oddly intriguing.

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by pdb on Dec 17, 2008 11:10 AM PST up reply actions  

That's the idea

why make the same old stuff when you can innovate?

by Jeff Sullivan on Dec 17, 2008 11:11 AM PST up reply actions  

That sounds really good

was it a homebrew or a brand?

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by pdb on Dec 17, 2008 11:16 AM PST up reply actions  

Had it at the Pizza Port strong ale tasting a few weeks ago

I’ll have to look up the name when I get home. My list is on the desk and RateBeer’s search feature is broken.

by Jeff Sullivan on Dec 17, 2008 11:19 AM PST up reply actions  

That means that you buy good donuts

HA HA HA, your Grandpa's an ASS!- Tourette's Guy (R.I.P)

by tootthekazoo on Dec 17, 2008 10:59 AM PST up reply actions  

I would argue you're wrong.

You can’t look at a box of donuts and say, that’s it? You can do that to a plate full of breakfast.

It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray

by Faux on Dec 17, 2008 10:59 AM PST up reply actions  

Given the flood of our choice

Skinny people can out eat fat people 10 to 1. No shame over one self to hold us back.

by Robert on Dec 17, 2008 11:09 AM PST up reply actions  

You have not seen the wonder of me yet.

Give me some thing I like and I can eat forever. I used to regularly eat 2 lbs fatburgers.

by Robert on Dec 17, 2008 11:15 AM PST up reply actions  

Food works too.

But I agree with Robert, I can eat more than most of my portly friends, and I’m scrawny.

Man do I love midgets.

by Thingray on Dec 17, 2008 11:12 AM PST up reply actions  

I'm the same

I can put down some food, much better than my larger friends and coworkers

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by tootthekazoo on Dec 17, 2008 11:14 AM PST up reply actions  

I don't ALWAYS eat like that,

but I’m capable of it.

I’ve also noticed that my “big” friends can never stand to skip a meal (working through lunch or something like that), but I don’t have a problem with it if it’s necessary.

Man do I love midgets.

by Thingray on Dec 17, 2008 11:15 AM PST up reply actions  

I would be on a murderous rampage right now.

I don’t deal with skipping meals very well.

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by Kermit. on Dec 17, 2008 11:19 AM PST up reply actions  

I'm hungry, for sure

But I just don’t feel an urgent need to eat. I think spending much of last fall and winter on a forced “poverty diet” made me better equipped to handle skipping a meal

HA HA HA, your Grandpa's an ASS!- Tourette's Guy (R.I.P)

by tootthekazoo on Dec 17, 2008 11:21 AM PST up reply actions  

4 saltines in a minute and then whistle!

That one really isn’t traumatizing enough though. Waffle eating contest on a friday? So that you end up sick all weekend? Genius.

by Matthew on Dec 17, 2008 10:51 AM PST up reply actions  

Since when is it 4?

I’ve always known it to be somewhere between 6 and 10, depending on how much shit the participant is talking

HA HA HA, your Grandpa's an ASS!- Tourette's Guy (R.I.P)

by tootthekazoo on Dec 17, 2008 10:55 AM PST up reply actions  

Explain this.

It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray

by Faux on Dec 17, 2008 10:53 AM PST up reply actions  

Ahh.

I have a friend that calls that every other Tuesday. And a bag of chips and guac.

It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray

by Faux on Dec 17, 2008 10:54 AM PST up reply actions  

Actually, he sports a six pack.

And is a personal trainer on the weekends.

It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray

by Faux on Dec 17, 2008 10:57 AM PST up reply actions  

I hate this man.

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by pdb on Dec 17, 2008 10:59 AM PST up reply actions  

You should see him hit Fuddruckers or Red Robin.

It’s sickening.

It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray

by Faux on Dec 17, 2008 11:00 AM PST up reply actions  

I know the LL motto,

but there has to be a floor somewhere, where you just can’t do it.

It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray

by Faux on Dec 17, 2008 11:01 AM PST up reply actions  

Something like that.

Julio Franco did the same thing.

Man do I love midgets.

by Thingray on Dec 17, 2008 11:03 AM PST up reply actions  

I'm not sure I believe this.

Maybe after certain hard training days, but how can you eat that much and then move.

It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray

by Faux on Dec 17, 2008 11:03 AM PST up reply actions  

When you are immediately burning it off

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by tootthekazoo on Dec 17, 2008 11:04 AM PST up reply actions  

There has to be processing time in between.

It’s not like the second it hits your stomach it’s energy.

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by Faux on Dec 17, 2008 11:04 AM PST up reply actions  

I'm sure Phelps waits 30 min after eating

to hit the pool.

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by pdb on Dec 17, 2008 11:05 AM PST up reply actions  

That's still ~2K a meal.

And all that food in your stomach all the time has to not help with moving around.

It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray

by Faux on Dec 17, 2008 11:06 AM PST up reply actions  

But he's obviously not human

So he probably has a way of handling the food

HA HA HA, your Grandpa's an ASS!- Tourette's Guy (R.I.P)

by tootthekazoo on Dec 17, 2008 11:07 AM PST up reply actions  

But do you go for a rousing sprint after?

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by Faux on Dec 17, 2008 11:11 AM PST up reply actions  

Sort of.

I’ll eat like that before my softball games.

Man do I love midgets.

by Thingray on Dec 17, 2008 11:13 AM PST up reply actions  

He could if he got a dozen Krispy Kreme donuts

And washed it down with a gallon of lard

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by tootthekazoo on Dec 17, 2008 11:06 AM PST up reply actions  

He doesn't.

He was on 60 Minutes a couple weeks ago and he said those calorie amounts were misconstrued. However, he said he does something like 6000-8000 calories a day when training. And he is already gaining weight like a Biggest Loser fatty after not being in the pool since the Olympics.

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by Wilder. on Dec 17, 2008 2:35 PM PST up reply actions  

I know this

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by pdb on Dec 17, 2008 11:01 AM PST up reply actions  

I weigh 132 pounds, and I eat like a pig.

I’m normally 140-ish, but I llost 17 pounds when I was sick and couldn’t eat.

Man do I love midgets.

by Thingray on Dec 17, 2008 11:04 AM PST up reply actions  

I did that once actually

it’s easier than you might think. The problem is in procuring beer after the seventh inning, because if you buy before the cutoff it’s all warm and gross by the 9th inning.

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by pdb on Dec 17, 2008 10:50 AM PST up reply actions  

That sounds awesome

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by tootthekazoo on Dec 17, 2008 10:51 AM PST up reply actions  

The cinnamon challenge is an evil thing

There’s a vid on youtube of somebody tricking a 6 year old kid into doing it. He screams bloody murder for like 2 minutes and everybody just laughs at him. Goddamn hilarious

HA HA HA, your Grandpa's an ASS!- Tourette's Guy (R.I.P)

by tootthekazoo on Dec 17, 2008 10:50 AM PST up reply actions  

I was in a bar attached to a pizza joint one time

and there was this drunk Scottish guy offering $50 to anyone who would eat the entire bottle of dried chilis available on any given table.

When I got there, one guy had already done it and was paying the price (but he got his $50). But I showed up with a friend of mine who has gigantism, and the 7’ tall 400 lb man never turns down an eating challenge (lunch for him was 9 junior bacon cheeseburgers at Wendy’s).

Smartly, he ordered 3 pitchers of milk just before he ate the peppers. He then drank from the pitchers, and after a few minutes he was fine.

I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.

by Llewdor on Dec 17, 2008 11:02 AM PST up reply actions  

Insanity

3 Pitchers of milk?

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by tootthekazoo on Dec 17, 2008 11:07 AM PST up reply actions  

Fat kills the heat.

You can rub habanero peppers on your face as long as you have a punchbowl of half’n’half handy into which to dunk your head.

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by Llewdor on Dec 17, 2008 11:23 AM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, I know that part

But 3 pitchers is a lot, and that’s not even accounting for my complete dislike of milk

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by tootthekazoo on Dec 17, 2008 11:24 AM PST up reply actions  

He's a big dude.

And he didn’t finish the third pitcher.

I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.

by Llewdor on Dec 17, 2008 11:27 AM PST up reply actions  

I've done the gallon of whole milk in an hour "challenge".

Too good to pass up, and the 100$ wasn’t bad either.

It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray

by Faux on Dec 17, 2008 11:28 AM PST up reply actions  

No, I'm not a vomit person.

I felt a little queasy for a few minutes, but I was better in 15.

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by Faux on Dec 17, 2008 11:31 AM PST up reply actions  

My kid just tried to bribe me

By offering to buy me beer and a chocolate donut with sprinkles. This may not be a bad idea…

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by tootthekazoo on Dec 17, 2008 10:35 AM PST reply actions  

Must be

I haven’t eaten yet today, but now I really want a goddamn donut

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by tootthekazoo on Dec 17, 2008 10:36 AM PST up reply actions  

Apparently

Although he just clarified by saying that I have to wait until he grows up because he can’t buy beer yet because if he tries he’ll have to go to jail

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by tootthekazoo on Dec 17, 2008 10:37 AM PST up reply actions  

Financially savvy, street-wise kid?

you, sir, are the parent I wish I had when I was that age.

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by pdb on Dec 17, 2008 10:38 AM PST up reply actions  

So he's learned the chief lesson of the collapsing US economy...at 5?

Damn, that’s a smart little dude.

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by pdb on Dec 17, 2008 10:41 AM PST up reply actions  

I force feed him brain steroids

And beat him if he acts stupid

HA HA HA, your Grandpa's an ASS!- Tourette's Guy (R.I.P)

by tootthekazoo on Dec 17, 2008 10:43 AM PST up reply actions  

This is probably true.

Time to ramp up the beatings.

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by pdb on Dec 17, 2008 10:45 AM PST up reply actions  

TO THE BEATMOBILE!

HA HA HA, your Grandpa's an ASS!- Tourette's Guy (R.I.P)

by tootthekazoo on Dec 17, 2008 10:45 AM PST up reply actions  

They hold tons of coins though

And it has Ichiro on it so he loves it

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by tootthekazoo on Dec 17, 2008 11:14 AM PST up reply actions  

I think that is it, yes

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by tootthekazoo on Dec 17, 2008 11:15 AM PST up reply actions  

That was the game

He went with the baby momma’s boyfriend and came home with a free lunch box

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by tootthekazoo on Dec 17, 2008 11:18 AM PST up reply actions  

Yes.

They once scratched when I gently put one down on the ground.

by Robert on Dec 17, 2008 11:16 AM PST up reply actions  

5 in Feb.

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by tootthekazoo on Dec 17, 2008 10:38 AM PST up reply actions  

This reminds me of the first time we told the boys "we're going to be home late tonight"

and they said “oh, are you guys going to the bar?”

Man do I love midgets.

by Thingray on Dec 17, 2008 10:41 AM PST up reply actions  

I had a beer with dinner a week ago or so

And he said that if I keep drinking beer all the time then I’ll be fat

HA HA HA, your Grandpa's an ASS!- Tourette's Guy (R.I.P)

by tootthekazoo on Dec 17, 2008 10:44 AM PST up reply actions  

You kind of feel bad when you're at the bar/restaurant after a softball game,

and when you order a water the oldest boy says “are you okay, you’re not drinking beer?”

Man do I love midgets.

by Thingray on Dec 17, 2008 10:54 AM PST up reply actions  

Still windy as hell

And all of my snow is melting because it is 37 out. Stupid south wind… Sky is still ugly looking though, so I know it’s coming. I just hate waiting for it

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by tootthekazoo on Dec 17, 2008 11:03 AM PST up reply actions  

Need snow! : (

Of course, school was cancelled…

by Coach Owens on Dec 17, 2008 10:59 AM PST reply actions  

I was in LV 2 years ago and got snowed on twice in one month.

A person that lived out there said that was the first snow she’d seen in 7 years.

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by Faux on Dec 17, 2008 11:14 AM PST up reply actions  

It snowed in Austin the day before I got there

Tuesday last week. But “snowed” is a generous word, because snow fell from the sky for two hours but didn’t stick.

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by pdb on Dec 17, 2008 11:18 AM PST up reply actions  

The Rocky Mountains to the east, and pressure systems from the east trap Alberta Clippers right there.

Usually cause snow dumps in Nebraska, KS, or OK, but they’ll make it down there a ways now and then.

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by Kermit. on Dec 17, 2008 11:23 AM PST up reply actions  

R.M.'s to the west.

Negative results achieved in metaphysical environment.

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by Kermit. on Dec 17, 2008 11:27 AM PST up reply actions  

Holy fuck is it pouring out there

I just drove from Temecula to the airport and back to North County and I must have hydroplaned and turned on my TCS like six or seven times

It’s gonna be a fun ride home

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by seattlebruin on Dec 17, 2008 11:12 AM PST up reply actions  

You mean *The* 805S?

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by Faux on Dec 17, 2008 11:22 AM PST up reply actions  

that's south 805 or 805 south

805S could potentially be a southern branch of 805 or a spur route off 805 depending on the locale

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by Corco on Dec 17, 2008 12:36 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

805S in and of itself is incorrect usage

I don’t care where you are

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by Corco on Dec 17, 2008 12:40 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

I'm fairly familiar with highway linguistic term references (one of several things that fascinate me)

and I’ve never heard of this being used as a common abbreviator in California

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by Corco on Dec 17, 2008 12:44 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

In fairness if he had said 805 S that would be OK

but 805S is not

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by Corco on Dec 17, 2008 12:44 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Maybe it was a typo

maybe he’s a trendsetter
maybe we’re referring to a secret portion of the freeway

by seattlebruin on Dec 17, 2008 12:45 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

It might be a typo

Jeff is no trendsetter

Caltrans says there is no secret portion of t he freeway.

I cite former California interstates 5E, 5W, 15E, 15W as evidence of the improper usage

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by Corco on Dec 17, 2008 12:48 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

I knew what you were talking about too

It might be slightly pedantic but its an incorrect way of phrasing the route

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by Corco on Dec 17, 2008 3:31 PM PST up reply actions   2 recs

When the AAHSTO allows for suffixed interstates again

and for some reason California builds an I-805S, then you’ll be screwed

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by Corco on Dec 17, 2008 3:34 PM PST up reply actions   2 recs

In fairness I-805 would probably just be relabeled I-5E if they allowed suffixed interstates again

But still, it’s 805 S not 805S

It’s just like a comma splice

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by Corco on Dec 17, 2008 3:37 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

You sure are

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by tootthekazoo on Dec 17, 2008 3:39 PM PST up reply actions  

It should be pointed out that the top google result for I-805S is somebody who thinks

US 101 is an interstate.

Believe me, you do NOT want to be associated with those kinds of people

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by Corco on Dec 17, 2008 3:44 PM PST up reply actions   3 recs

People who don't understand that the US Highway shield and the Interstate shield are completely different

have absolutely no credibility and should be put to sleep

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by Corco on Dec 17, 2008 3:47 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

How are you supposed to assume someone who can't tell the difference between two completely different things

is capable of coming up with intelligent baseball analysis?

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by Corco on Dec 17, 2008 3:49 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

If you can you should

If you started misspelling everything because you don’t care to spell correctly nobody would read this fine blog

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by Corco on Dec 17, 2008 3:53 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

agreed

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by pdb on Dec 17, 2008 3:54 PM PST up reply actions  

It's just an unfortunate typo

805S is not correct
805 S is correct

Tell people to get on 805S and a small portion of the population will look around aimlessly for I-805S or SR 805 Spur

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by Corco on Dec 17, 2008 3:54 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Suffixed interstates existed en masse as recently as 25 years ago

Dallas and Minneapolis still have them

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by Corco on Dec 17, 2008 3:56 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Jeff lives in San Diego

San Diego is not Dallas.

San Diego is not Minneapolis.

San Diego is San Diego.

by seattlebruin on Dec 17, 2008 3:57 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

People from Dallas and Minneapolis come to San Diego though

and if they read Jeff’s directions

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by Corco on Dec 17, 2008 4:00 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

They will figure it out

because they have two brain cells to rub together and figure out “Hey we’re in San Diego.”

the other angels fan

by Eyebrows on Dec 17, 2008 4:01 PM PST up reply actions  

Oh no, this is getting good

I’m still trying to calculate the odds of a random tourist:

1. Buying a ticket to San Diego
2. Trying to find directions to someplace
3. Finding Lookout Landing
4. Wading through this thread
5. Finding 805S and not 805 S
6. Ending up in the desert somewhere because the directions on Lookout Landing were faulty

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by pdb on Dec 17, 2008 4:05 PM PST up reply actions   2 recs

Agreed.

This subthread almost makes up for a lack of snow.

the other angels fan

by Eyebrows on Dec 17, 2008 4:07 PM PST up reply actions  

Good on you

You acknowledged the 1 block stretch of SR 169 between I-5 and SR 900

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by Corco on Dec 17, 2008 4:07 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

reply fail

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by Corco on Dec 17, 2008 4:08 PM PST up reply actions  

First off that should be I-405

second of all if you’re coming from I-90 (and therefore I-405 South) there’s no reason to get on SR 169

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by Corco on Dec 17, 2008 4:11 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Unless you're heading to the East Renton Highlands

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by tootthekazoo on Dec 17, 2008 4:12 PM PST up reply actions  

Not if you took SR 169 South and came up 156th

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by tootthekazoo on Dec 17, 2008 4:14 PM PST up reply actions  

those weren't in Matthews directions though

156th isn’t a state highway

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by Corco on Dec 17, 2008 4:14 PM PST up reply actions  

Correct

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by tootthekazoo on Dec 17, 2008 4:16 PM PST up reply actions  

OH NO

WE READ JEFF’S DIRECTIONS
WHY GOD, WHY

the other angels fan

by Eyebrows on Dec 17, 2008 4:12 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

This is an interesting tidbit of info

but it does not invalidate the point that functionally, in the real world, as you’re driving down the road, 805S and 805 S are the same bloody thing.

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by pdb on Dec 17, 2008 3:57 PM PST up reply actions  

People who dedicate their lives to roads would probably do that.

Everyone else will just look for the only Interstate 805 that exists in their town.

Speaking of, I’m out of here. 8E to 805S, then home sweet home to listen to the rain for the rest of the evening.

by Teej on Dec 17, 2008 3:56 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm planning on taking

Interstae 99S to Interstate 509S on my way home.

by Sec 108 on Dec 17, 2008 4:08 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm going to get on a bus that has a number but no letter

I have no idea which direction this bus will head, and I’m almost sure I’ll end up in Bend.

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by pdb on Dec 17, 2008 4:09 PM PST up reply actions  

But he didn't communicate effectively.

He was just lucky that you understood him.

I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.

by Llewdor on Dec 17, 2008 4:30 PM PST up reply actions  

Just as erroneous though

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by Corco on Dec 17, 2008 3:38 PM PST up reply actions  

Probably not

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by tootthekazoo on Dec 17, 2008 12:40 PM PST up reply actions  

So I just got an email from my wife

she’s in Austin until tomorrow, and the office where she is working this week had their holiday party today. It was catered by Luby’s, which granted is not the best source of food, but still. On the menu was a choice of gravy – white (presumably chicken or sausage gravy) and…yellow. What the hell is yellow gravy made out of?

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by pdb on Dec 17, 2008 11:11 AM PST reply actions  

Some questions are best left unanswered.

But I’ve seen canned chicken gravies that are yellowish.

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by Faux on Dec 17, 2008 11:12 AM PST up reply actions  

American food frightens me.

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by Llewdor on Dec 17, 2008 11:25 AM PST up reply actions  

Lucky bastard

It started snowing here at Seatac, then stopped after two minutes.

the other angels fan

by Eyebrows on Dec 17, 2008 11:17 AM PST up reply actions  

No shit

It looks like it should be snowing right now, but I still sit here, waiting

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by tootthekazoo on Dec 17, 2008 11:20 AM PST up reply actions  

Home

And I’m not going to work today, since they scheduled me to work during bowling even though they know that doesn’t work for me

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by tootthekazoo on Dec 17, 2008 11:23 AM PST up reply actions  

Is nothing sacred?

More to the point, I just don’t feel like working today. So hopefully the weather worsens here so I can have a legit excuse

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by tootthekazoo on Dec 17, 2008 11:25 AM PST up reply actions  

I had to come into work today,

but thankfully our office isn’t open during bowling hours, so I never have that problem.

Man do I love midgets.

by Thingray on Dec 17, 2008 11:35 AM PST up reply actions  

Note to Coach

do a Google Image search for Vivid Video when your parents are in the room.*

*do not do this

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by pdb on Dec 17, 2008 11:19 AM PST up reply actions  

Don't warn him.

That’s a learning experience.

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by Faux on Dec 17, 2008 11:20 AM PST up reply actions  

The snow in the northern Vancouver waxes and wanes.

And its lightest, I can see through it about half a mile.

At it’s heaviest, I can see through it about 200 feet (from my fourth floor window).

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by Llewdor on Dec 17, 2008 11:29 AM PST up reply actions  

I'm still holding out hope, though.

Weather.com says that there’s a very high chance of snow later tonight and early tomorrow morning. Crosses fingers; knocks on wood.

by Coach Owens on Dec 17, 2008 11:24 AM PST reply actions  

Probably.

Latest forecasts say the Everett area should get some decent snow tonight,

Man do I love midgets.

by Thingray on Dec 17, 2008 11:42 AM PST up reply actions  

Please snow, please snow, please snow...

In Everett and Shoreline. Just not so much that I can’t get to my haircut appt tonight, I already missed my last one because I was sick, and I don’t want to start looking like Cousin It.

Man do I love midgets.

by Thingray on Dec 17, 2008 11:46 AM PST up reply actions  

Woooo, Renton is next then!

It’s coming from the Southeast

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by tootthekazoo on Dec 17, 2008 11:47 AM PST up reply actions  

MV must be Maple Valley then.

I was thinking Marysville.

Man do I love midgets.

by Thingray on Dec 17, 2008 11:48 AM PST up reply actions  

Correct

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by tootthekazoo on Dec 17, 2008 11:50 AM PST up reply actions  

GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!

I love how they can close Fort Lewis — the army can shut down — but my agency and my building can’t.

We got socked with the worst of it, and yet, hey! I made it into work only because they hadn’t closed one of the hills I needed to go down.

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by PositivePaul on Dec 17, 2008 11:48 AM PST reply actions  

Thing is....

I’m AT work. I made it in, barely.

I’m just wondering now if the one hill that I needed to take to get here has finally been closed just like the other 99 hills they closed…

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by PositivePaul on Dec 17, 2008 12:35 PM PST up reply actions  

That sucks.

They force you to come in, and then there’s the chance you end up stuck.

Man do I love midgets.

by Thingray on Dec 17, 2008 12:37 PM PST up reply actions  

Exactly.

Precisely why I didn’t want to show up in the first place.

My supe suggested I stay home, but I don’t have work that I can do from home. And I don’t have much leave time left.

I’m sooooo framing that photo of the banana peel on the ice patch in our parking lot and giving it to my agency’s director. As an un-motivation poster…

Absolutely stupid, I say…

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by PositivePaul on Dec 17, 2008 12:40 PM PST up reply actions  

Theeeere's the snow!

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by tootthekazoo on Dec 17, 2008 12:05 PM PST reply actions  

Theeeere goes the snow!

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by tootthekazoo on Dec 17, 2008 12:10 PM PST up reply actions  

Mixed emotions about potential snow.

I have to come in to work no matter what, and would rather not do it in a frozen hellscape. But on the other hand, SNOW!

by waldo rojas on Dec 17, 2008 12:06 PM PST reply actions  

I haven't seen sun all day.

Where are you?

Man do I love midgets.

by Thingray on Dec 17, 2008 12:07 PM PST up reply actions  

What part?

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by tootthekazoo on Dec 17, 2008 12:09 PM PST up reply actions  

STRANGER DANGER STRANGER DANGER

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by Faux on Dec 17, 2008 12:15 PM PST up reply actions  

It's a very big lake

And different parts will have vastly different weather, like Thingray mentioned

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by tootthekazoo on Dec 17, 2008 12:15 PM PST up reply actions  

He'd have a lot more snow.

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by Faux on Dec 17, 2008 12:20 PM PST up reply actions  

No kidding.

I heard they got hit pretty good down south.

Man do I love midgets.

by Thingray on Dec 17, 2008 12:21 PM PST up reply actions  

When I was looking at buying a house a few years ago,

we stopped by one on 90th and Aurora, a stones throw from Top Video. It was listed as being in “North Fremont”.

by waldo rojas on Dec 17, 2008 12:23 PM PST up reply actions  

I was once shown a condo at 94th and Greenwood

that was advertised as “North Greenlake”.

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by pdb on Dec 17, 2008 12:24 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, but it just pissed me off.

If they’re going to lie about something like that, what else are they hiding?

by waldo rojas on Dec 17, 2008 12:27 PM PST up reply actions  

When I called and asked the guy for the address

he said “it’s at the corner of 94th and Greenwood”, so I thanked him for his time and said “I was actually looking to live close to Greenlake” and hung up.

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by pdb on Dec 17, 2008 12:26 PM PST up reply actions  

Good move,

sometimes it’s hard to get an address out of them.

Man do I love midgets.

by Thingray on Dec 17, 2008 12:27 PM PST up reply actions  

Dark clouds over Elliot Bay,

but the flags on Pier 66 are blowing from the south.

by waldo rojas on Dec 17, 2008 12:07 PM PST up reply actions  

Oh dear lord I hate this weather.

It’s raining and the sun is out.

the other angels fan

by Eyebrows on Dec 17, 2008 12:28 PM PST reply actions  

Because someone mentioned Snow yesterday

I feel the need to post something about snow that doesn’t involve bad Canadian rappers. So, here’s Nick Cave.

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by pdb on Dec 17, 2008 12:28 PM PST reply actions  

Wasn't Snow more of a dancehall-wannabe?

And yes, i am ashamed that a portion of my brain is devoted to knowledge of Snow.

by waldo rojas on Dec 17, 2008 12:32 PM PST up reply actions  

Blame kevin for forcing me to bring him up

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by tootthekazoo on Dec 17, 2008 12:37 PM PST up reply actions  

Grrr...

http://wsdot.wa.gov/traffic/default.aspx?cam=1287

http://wsdot.wa.gov/traffic/default.aspx?cam=1176

The link on top is closest to me. The link on the bottom is closest to Ft. Lewis. And they closed Ft. lewis.

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by PositivePaul on Dec 17, 2008 12:36 PM PST reply actions  

Wow damn you guys were dumped on

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by tootthekazoo on Dec 17, 2008 12:38 PM PST up reply actions  

No kidding.

I wish we’d get some of that here.

Man do I love midgets.

by Thingray on Dec 17, 2008 12:40 PM PST up reply actions  

Still dumping.

We were supposed to just get some freezing rain to start and no snow.

I never ever EVER trust weatherman.

I probably have 3 inches on my car now.

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by PositivePaul on Dec 17, 2008 12:49 PM PST up reply actions  

now they're saying the worst snow won't hit pdx until tonight

and that tomorrow morning should be horrible.

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by pdb on Dec 17, 2008 12:50 PM PST up reply actions  

it's not snowing at all downtown but there's still a bit on the ground

I’m mostly annoyed by this because I have very little food in the house – I went to the grocery store last night, but in preparation for today’s cataclysm the entire North Portland community went to my grocery store, so I got fed up and left, figuring I’d go tonight when everybody’s at home after leaving work at noon. Which means I’ll probably have to do the same thing tonight. Fuck.

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by pdb on Dec 17, 2008 12:52 PM PST up reply actions  

To be fair, having worked on Ft. Lewis, it's not getting to it that's the problem.

The roads on post are fucking terrible and there are a bunch of gigantic hills. Ft. Lewis is pretty massive, too, so even if it’s not too bad near the main gate it might be totally effed on large parts of the base.

by Aaron Campeau on Dec 17, 2008 12:43 PM PST up reply actions  

Looking at the latest forecasts, they're really easing up on their prediction of snow for the Seattle area.

But it still looks like Everett to Bellingham could get nailed, just not until later tonight.

Man do I love midgets.

by Thingray on Dec 17, 2008 12:45 PM PST up reply actions  

I agree and understand.

I believe Ft. Lewis is probably bad. And that “near Ft. Lewis” traffic cam is probably closer to Kent than it is to Fort Lewis…

It’s fucking miserable on Ft. Lewis. They’re the army. The friggin U.S. ARMY closes down its operations locally, except for essential staff, and yet my state agency, where one of its main responsibilities is to oversee the operation of safe and healthy workplaces, refuses to acknowledge the safety and health of its own workers and remains open. Everything else in the area is pretty much closed. Other than on the freeways (where traffic is slowed to a crawl), there are few cars driving. My backup routes into work were mostly closed to traffic other than one sneaky way that I barely remembered how to use.

It’s bullshit, I say…

I wish there were more work I could do from home, but I have to be connected to the network in order to do a majority of my work.

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by PositivePaul on Dec 17, 2008 1:03 PM PST up reply actions  

Was that supposed to be a surprise?

I though it was relatively common knowledge…

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by PositivePaul on Dec 17, 2008 1:19 PM PST up reply actions  

My back hurts.

Do something.

Screw you, Mariners. I'm back in football's loving arms. *edit: well, shit. This isn't going well.

by kevin_ess on Dec 17, 2008 1:21 PM PST up reply actions  

Okay....

Here’s 50 pages of paperwork that you have to fill out just so you can have a bottle of aspirin.

And here’s another 100 web pages (with 30 broken links and 4 broken graphics, mostly in PDF format) that tell you how to fill out those 50 pages of paperwork…

Yeah. I’m soooo glad I don’t deal much with that part of our agency.

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by PositivePaul on Dec 17, 2008 1:25 PM PST up reply actions  

Not a surprise,

I just didn’t know that before. My brother works for them too, but up north.

Man do I love midgets.

by Thingray on Dec 17, 2008 1:24 PM PST up reply actions  

Great, unless it snows a bunch tonight.

I’m going to have a full day of school tomorrow. Fantastic.

by Coach Owens on Dec 17, 2008 12:47 PM PST reply actions  

It's his LLLJ

we’re supposed to make comments and be emo with him

by seattlebruin on Dec 17, 2008 12:50 PM PST up reply actions  

well i have been having a lot of dark thoughts lately

and when i imagine my future its just this big empty hole of nothing

by Dewey N on Dec 17, 2008 12:53 PM PST up reply actions  

It's not that bleak

it’s actually a very small, dark hole, not a big one.

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by pdb on Dec 17, 2008 12:53 PM PST up reply actions  

Welcome to nihilism.

Nietzsche says hi.

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by Llewdor on Dec 17, 2008 1:10 PM PST up reply actions  

I see you live in CT.

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by Faux on Dec 17, 2008 1:28 PM PST up reply actions  

School is irritating.

All you do is work that will never even help you in the future.

by Coach Owens on Dec 17, 2008 12:52 PM PST up reply actions  

Maybe it will help make you a more interesting person.

Maybe you’ll read a book one day and that will make it all click.

Or maybe you can acknowledge that you don’t care but that doing well in school is worth it as its own reward.

by Aaron Campeau on Dec 17, 2008 12:55 PM PST up reply actions  

it's teaching you how to think

you’d best pay attention.

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by pdb on Dec 17, 2008 12:55 PM PST up reply actions  

This is why you need English class
And how passing my English class in 9th grade depending on it, eh?

by Dewey N on Dec 17, 2008 12:58 PM PST up reply actions  

That's not a typo, that's a grammatical error.

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by Faux on Dec 17, 2008 1:00 PM PST up reply actions  

Tense errors are not much different.

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by Faux on Dec 17, 2008 1:02 PM PST up reply actions  

Nope.

Depneded would be a typo. That’s a grammatical error regardless of your intent.

by Aaron Campeau on Dec 17, 2008 1:03 PM PST up reply actions  

Just yesdarday, a colleague sent me an e-mail. This is what it said:

At our October meeting, we discussed the fact that industry is under an interest and that we could indeed pull our list via industries as an interest. I am wrong in thinking that?

Given the context, that makes no fucking sense. At all. It’s literally nonsensical. But she outranks me, so I need to figure out what it is she wants without making her feel like an idiot.

Interpreting poorly written shit is exactly what literary analysis is good for.

I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.

by Llewdor on Dec 17, 2008 1:43 PM PST up reply actions  

Though I still hate Jane Austen.

I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.

by Llewdor on Dec 17, 2008 1:44 PM PST up reply actions  

The writers at BioWare, actually.

I was talking with them a few weeks ago. They write computer RPGs for a living, they love Jane Austen.

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by Llewdor on Dec 17, 2008 1:51 PM PST up reply actions  

I think they were leaning more toward Northanger Abbey.

Which, incidentally, is the first written work ever to mention baseball.

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by Llewdor on Dec 17, 2008 3:12 PM PST up reply actions  

You sound like me when I was your age.

Now I work in a video store. Get over it and suck it up.

by Aaron Campeau on Dec 17, 2008 12:54 PM PST up reply actions  

Lol.

You make it sound worse than it actually is.

by Fin on Dec 17, 2008 12:58 PM PST up reply actions  

I agree.

I hated high school. I am fortunate enough to have done the running start program the last year and a half so I barely ever had to go to the high school after that. I like the independence I have as a college student now, except I am still treated like a kid when it comes to drinking. I hate that, but everything else is cool.

by Fin on Dec 17, 2008 1:05 PM PST up reply actions  

Suck it up.

Everyone has to deal with the monotony of high school.

by BrianL on Dec 17, 2008 12:54 PM PST up reply actions  

Yup.

Everyone has to pay their dues. College sure is nice though, I like having a month off for winter break.

by Fin on Dec 17, 2008 12:58 PM PST up reply actions  

Wrong.

Mariners ----> Brewers.

by .Taylor on Dec 17, 2008 1:29 PM PST up reply actions  

Ethics training is awesome

Sample question


It is a Northrop Grumman Corporation policy to strictly observe the requirements of all laws and regulations relating to the import and export of goods and services.

True

False

by seattlebruin on Dec 17, 2008 12:58 PM PST reply actions  

I know this one - False!

Is there a “maybe” option? or “sometimes”?

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by pdb on Dec 17, 2008 12:59 PM PST up reply actions  

Yes yes yessss
In this lesson you will:
- Establish criteria for identifying U.S. versus foreign persons

by seattlebruin on Dec 17, 2008 1:03 PM PST up reply actions  

The next slide said "identify which of the following are foreign persons!"

and below was a picture with six smiling faces – a black guy, an Asian woman, an older Japanese man, a younger white guy in a suit, a black woman and an middle-eastern looking man.

by seattlebruin on Dec 17, 2008 1:09 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm Canadian.

I’m going to buy national secrets from you, and you will never know.

I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.

by Llewdor on Dec 17, 2008 1:47 PM PST up reply actions  

How many Canadians does it take to change a light bulb?

None, because THEY’RE AFRAID OF THE DARK!

I love How I Met Your Mother.

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by pdb on Dec 17, 2008 1:51 PM PST up reply actions  

Why is everyone hating on the office now?

I think it has been good so far. I enjoyed the christmas episode. We’ll just have to see if the celebrity cameos will be good or not.

Heroes on the other hand, unfortunately, I am pretty sure we will see that show cancelled within two years, talk about regression from season 1.

by Fin on Dec 17, 2008 1:02 PM PST reply actions  

The 4th season was a disaster of epic proportions.

The 5th season has had its moments, but on the whole is nowhere near the highs of the second and third seasons.

The show didn’t used to be a soap opera.

They’ve never had guest stars in the past.

by Phil Hatzenbuehler on Dec 17, 2008 1:04 PM PST up reply actions  

I agree that I hate the Jim and Pam drama.

So in a way, them dating kind of puts it to rest, but I guess they have to appeal to the wife who is stuck watching the show with her husband too.

One thing I did like about season 4 was to see the quick rise and fall of Ryan, and then see him hired as a temp in season 5, I thought that was awesome.

I still think Michael and Dwight are awesome. Also, is it wrong of me to think Andy is funny too?

by Fin on Dec 17, 2008 1:06 PM PST up reply actions  

I love Andy Bernard.

But here is the biggest failing of the show recently: The show didn’t used to be only about the love relationships. The show used to have other stuff going on, with that in the background. Now, the show is really only about love relationships. Jim and Pam. Dwight, Angela, and Andy. Michael and Jan. Michael and Holly.

by Phil Hatzenbuehler on Dec 17, 2008 1:09 PM PST up reply actions  

You know.

I didn’t notice that until you pointed that out, but it does seem to be trending that way. It still does have its moments though.

I am dissapointed we couldn’t see Andy’s reaction to the revelation. I am thinking the writers wanted more time to think of a funnier reaction. But yea, that sort of thing does sound very soap opera like.

by Fin on Dec 17, 2008 1:15 PM PST up reply actions  

I thought the scene when everyone was staring at him while he played the sitar

was the funniest thing I’ve seen on TV all year…

until the end scene with Toby

by JI on Dec 17, 2008 1:16 PM PST up reply actions  

The Toby scene was gold.

What a way to make awkward comedy.

by Fin on Dec 17, 2008 1:38 PM PST up reply actions  

What was wrong with the 4th season?

I would argue that the show was a soap opera in it’s “glory years” with the will they or won’t they drama

by JI on Dec 17, 2008 1:15 PM PST up reply actions  

It was better once they returned from the Writers' Strike

but the episodes before were weird and unfunny. What always sticks with me is the episode where they imprisoned the pizza delivery kid.

by Phil Hatzenbuehler on Dec 17, 2008 1:16 PM PST up reply actions  

I have never seen an unfunny episode of The Office.

Although I would argue that’s one of the weaker ones.

by JI on Dec 17, 2008 1:21 PM PST up reply actions  

The pilot sucked.

It was an unfunny carbon-copy of an existing English Office

by waldo rojas on Dec 17, 2008 1:31 PM PST up reply actions  

.

Screw you, Mariners. I'm back in football's loving arms. *edit: well, shit. This isn't going well.

by kevin_ess on Dec 17, 2008 1:20 PM PST reply actions  

OKAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY

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by tootthekazoo on Dec 17, 2008 1:32 PM PST up reply actions  

Little Known Fact:

Bertrand Russell also had a Crunk Cup.

by waldo rojas on Dec 17, 2008 1:32 PM PST up reply actions  

Speaking as a man with a degree in Philosophy

That is AWESOME!

I dig Bertrand Russell. Descartes was a wanker, though.

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by Llewdor on Dec 17, 2008 1:37 PM PST up reply actions  

That's circular reasoning.

By asserting that it’s you doing the drinking, you’ve presupposed your existence (since things that don’t exist can’t exhibit characteristics).

Descartes was also an idiot for not seeing that.

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by Llewdor on Dec 17, 2008 1:50 PM PST up reply actions  

I read somewhere that he essentially invented the peace sign.

It was a combination of two British semaphore signs, which stood for N & D (nuclear disarmament) that he used during the Nuclear Disarmament days in the 1950s. The hippies then stole the symbol for the Vietnam War.

by Phil Hatzenbuehler on Dec 17, 2008 1:42 PM PST up reply actions  

For BrianL:

Customer service

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by kevin_ess on Dec 17, 2008 1:25 PM PST reply actions  

SNOW, DAMN YOU!

SNOW!!!!

the other angels fan

by Eyebrows on Dec 17, 2008 1:48 PM PST reply actions  

That colour doesn't do anything for him.

They need to go back to the maroon.

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by Llewdor on Dec 17, 2008 1:54 PM PST up reply actions  

The AP story on the Seattle weather is quite funny

Headline:
SEATTLE PARALYZED BY CHANCE OF SNOW

Opening graf:
SEATTLE — Schools throughout greater Seattle closed Wednesday at the mere threat of snow late in the day, a symptom of the city’s deep phobia of the white stuff and near-complete inability to deal with any significant snowstorm.

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by pdb on Dec 17, 2008 2:01 PM PST reply actions  

That's awesome

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by tootthekazoo on Dec 17, 2008 2:03 PM PST up reply actions  

The whole story's pretty good

because it tries really hard to be nice about the fact that Seattle can’t cope with a tiny bit of snow, but doesn’t quite succeed at not making Seattle sound like a whiny little child.

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by pdb on Dec 17, 2008 2:05 PM PST up reply actions  

That about sums it up

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by Corco on Dec 17, 2008 2:05 PM PST up reply actions  

It should be noted here that the word "Portland" can easily be subbed

for the word “Seattle” in that story, because we’re no better at it.

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by pdb on Dec 17, 2008 2:06 PM PST up reply actions  

Speaking as someone who used to live in Denver,

Seattle really doesn’t know what to do when it snows.

Mariners ----> Brewers.

by .Taylor on Dec 17, 2008 2:06 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm pretty sure that even Seattleites know that though

it’s just funny to read a nationally syndicated article about Seattle that doesn’t rave about it like most articles do.

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by pdb on Dec 17, 2008 2:08 PM PST up reply actions  

You would think

After years and years of this, that Seattleites would prepare better.

by Fin on Dec 17, 2008 2:11 PM PST up reply actions  

There's no reason to

because most Seattle/Portland snowstorms are like this – three days of talk of impending snow catastrophe, followed by a thin layer of white that could have been laid down by an industrious bird. Repeat, twice annually. It doesn’t accumulate often enough to warrant actual preparation.

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by pdb on Dec 17, 2008 2:15 PM PST up reply actions  

Exactly.

It’s so seldom that we get an actual snow event that adds up to anything, we stay blissfully unprepared.

Man do I love midgets.

by Thingray on Dec 17, 2008 2:20 PM PST up reply actions  

I believe it was in the early 90's when we got hit hard with a series of storms.

So King County bought a bunch of expensive snow plows. They then sat in a yard for the better part of a decade and rusted.

This area would prefer to not lose their shirts like that again. This storm and the one two years ago are exceptions to the rule.

by Sec 108 on Dec 17, 2008 2:54 PM PST up reply actions  

'90 and '92.

I remember those storms well.

Man do I love midgets.

by Thingray on Dec 17, 2008 3:02 PM PST up reply actions  

I remember '90 because I was driving my VW Bug and froze my balls off.

And I remember ‘92 because I was driving my Mustang 5.0 and had to stop every mile or so to pull snow and ice out from in front of the radiator so I wouldn’t overheat (which is weird in the winter).

Man do I love midgets.

by Thingray on Dec 17, 2008 3:08 PM PST up reply actions  

That was our first year here.

Same year the 520 got destroyed. We thought we had made a huge mistake.

by Aaron Campeau on Dec 17, 2008 3:09 PM PST up reply actions  

I-90 you mean

520’s still holding on somehow…

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by pdb on Dec 17, 2008 3:15 PM PST up reply actions  

Must have been.

I was seven so all I remember is thinking it was the most terrifying shit I’d seen.

by Aaron Campeau on Dec 17, 2008 3:17 PM PST up reply actions  

My first year, too.

My parents and sister and I moved there from Boise on Christmas Eve. I don’t remember much, as I was 8, but I remember it being even worse in Boise. We were supposed to move days earlier, but it got so cold that the gas in our U-Haul gelled and we had to sleep in a hotel for a couple days, so by the time we got to to the Seattle area, it was almost a relief.

by Teej on Dec 17, 2008 3:15 PM PST up reply actions  

I remember them as well.

Especially ‘92. The snow seemed like it came up to my waist and it ruined snow storms for me ever since because I want it to get that high on me again; I don’t care that I’m 50% taller now than I was then.

by Matthew on Dec 17, 2008 3:06 PM PST up reply actions  

90 was awesome

I was living in a basement at the time and could barely see out the window.

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by pdb on Dec 17, 2008 3:07 PM PST up reply actions  

I only remember 90 because I was in kindergarten

and when you’re 5 years old, snow is about teh greatest thing that could ever happen.

by Matthew on Dec 17, 2008 3:10 PM PST up reply actions  

90 was the first time I ever mountain biked in the snow

went all over Volunteer Park. It was awesome.

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by pdb on Dec 17, 2008 3:15 PM PST up reply actions  

Christmas '92 was sick.

I spent Christmas in Grande Prairie, Alberta and the temperature on the morning of Dec 26 was -63°F.

Really. I’m not making that up.

That’s also the year I finished high school, as it happens.

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by Llewdor on Dec 17, 2008 4:39 PM PST up reply actions  

Coupled with the fact that the amount of preperation required would be ungodly expensive and fairly ineffective.

It’s nnot the snow that’s the problem it’s the snow-thaw-freeze-snow-thaw-freeze cycle and the fact that Seattle is a city of hills.

by Aaron Campeau on Dec 17, 2008 2:24 PM PST up reply actions  

Just install heated copper pipes under every road in the Puget Sound and it won't be a problem

That wouldn’t cost too much, would it?

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by tootthekazoo on Dec 17, 2008 2:45 PM PST up reply actions  

it'd be cheaper to just lay down live power lines in every street

and, if you place them correctly, that would also cut down on mid-block jaywalking.

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by pdb on Dec 17, 2008 2:47 PM PST up reply actions  

Why not turn the streets into giant escalators?

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by tootthekazoo on Dec 17, 2008 2:50 PM PST up reply actions  

This is a good idea

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by pdb on Dec 17, 2008 2:51 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm going to submit it to whatever think-tank is in charge of stuff

And ask for much money

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by tootthekazoo on Dec 17, 2008 2:54 PM PST up reply actions  

Wyoming is sounding better by the minute

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by tootthekazoo on Dec 17, 2008 5:15 PM PST up reply actions  

There's no multi level shopping malls

There’s no multi level airports

There’s no multi level department stores

So I’m not sure where else there would be one

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by Corco on Dec 17, 2008 5:42 PM PST up reply actions  

When I lived in Laramie there were escalators.

This was 1983 though, so they may not be there any longer.

by royalcurve on Dec 17, 2008 5:55 PM PST up reply actions  

Where?

I heard there was one in a JCPenney in Cheyenne that was removed like 10 years ago

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by Corco on Dec 17, 2008 5:56 PM PST up reply actions  

Don't remember, sorry - I was a little kid.

I just remember where my mom’s boyfriend worked had an escalator.

by royalcurve on Dec 17, 2008 6:17 PM PST up reply actions  

DAMN

There is one in a bank in Casper

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by Corco on Dec 17, 2008 5:56 PM PST up reply actions  

ESPN's site redesign beta is up

here. It’s a bit cleaner than the old ESPN, but there’s still way too much clutter. And it’s still ESPN.

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by pdb on Dec 17, 2008 2:18 PM PST reply actions  

Yeah, it's still not good

I am, however, glad they removed auto-playing videos from the front page.

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by pdb on Dec 17, 2008 2:21 PM PST up reply actions  

I just wish this were phase one

rather than a fundamentally complete redesign. There’s still way more they could do.

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by pdb on Dec 17, 2008 2:25 PM PST up reply actions  

That's my guess.

It looks like it’s also built to be compatible with the static “wraparound ad” or whatever it’s called.

by Teej on Dec 17, 2008 2:28 PM PST up reply actions  

Curious

What would you like to see removed or grouped? I think the beta is a lot cleaner than the current site.

by Matthew on Dec 17, 2008 3:04 PM PST up reply actions  

Just off the top of my head:

First, there are too many nav bars. There’s the score bar at the top. There’s the “TV…RADIO…MAGAZINE…MOBILE” nav below that.
Then it’s ALL SPORTS…COLUMNISTS etc. Then there’s NFL…NBA etc below that. It’s an unbelievable level of visual clutter.

How to solve it? The NFL/NBA one can go away because everything there is also under ALL SPORTS. The ESPN products one can hide under THE LIFE. Now you’re left with two nav bars, which is not so visually messy.

Second, Bill Simmons/Rick Reilly have their own boxes, and then below that there’s another one for Columnists – I’m assuming this is contractual, so if you can’t put Simmons/Reilly under Columnists, what I would do visually is put all those boxes on the same line and drop “Fantasy Games” down to the same level that “Featured Group” is on. Doesn’t ease the clutter much, but it makes it easier to find stuff when things are grouped thematically.

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by pdb on Dec 17, 2008 3:14 PM PST up reply actions  

I agree with most of that. However, here's my guess as to why those are the way they are:

the NFL/NBA. Moving it under ALL SPORTS (and I would just change the name of that to SPORTS) means slightly more mouse time. Since those are primary clicks, they want them visually obvious.

ESPN products don’t exactly fit under THE LIFE

Simmons/Reilly is probably again about traffic, not contract. Those two are huge traffic drivers.

But I live the idea and I’ll pass it along to the people I still talk with at ESPN.com

by Matthew on Dec 17, 2008 3:21 PM PST up reply actions  

I pondered mentioning changing it to SPORTS

but that seemed too generic. the ESPN products one was a bit more troublesome for me, as to where they should go – I chose THE LIFE just to get them out of the way, but really they could have their own PRODUCTS link in the nav bar containing ALL SPORTS, if there’s room.

I guess I’m about the only person on the planet that doesn’t seem to mind rolling over ALL SPORTS to get to NFL, NBA, etc; the added mouse time to get there is pretty miniscule, it seems.

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by pdb on Dec 17, 2008 3:26 PM PST up reply actions  

Probably.

I just tend to devote my working life to making sure things are visually clean, and while the new site’s better, it’s not as clean as it could be and that’s frustrating, because I know how much time and energy (and money) gets spent on these things.

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by pdb on Dec 17, 2008 3:29 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, probably

but it’s still a not-insignificant effort to redesign something that big, and it ain’t gonna happen again for several years I’d guess.

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by pdb on Dec 17, 2008 3:34 PM PST up reply actions  

It's a good thing you've never been exposed to the underbelly of how ESPN.com is built.

It’s like the first wonder of the internet world. In that, how is it still standing?

by Matthew on Dec 17, 2008 3:35 PM PST up reply actions  

I've been around plenty of 20+ year old code bases

not much on the web, but most of my career has been spent cobbling together fixes for systems that should have been replaced three or four software generations ago. I can imagine the ESPN code base has lots of cobwebs and dead ends in it.

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by pdb on Dec 17, 2008 3:40 PM PST up reply actions  

Fuck this noise.

I’m heading home.

(it’s actually very quiet here, has been all day…)

This signature space for rent.

by PositivePaul on Dec 17, 2008 3:01 PM PST reply actions  

Brian Giles may or may not be a dick:
SAN DIEGO (AP) – Padres outfielder Brian Giles is being sued by his former girlfriend for more than $10 million, alleging he battered her while she was pregnant and caused her to have a miscarriage.

The lawsuit was filed in San Diego Superior Court on Dec. 5 and reported Tuesday by the San Diego Union-Tribune.

Cheri Olvera alleges Giles began abusing her in 2002. The lawsuit accuses him of hitting and slapping her in the face, shaking and kicking her, and battering her twice when she was pregnant with Giles’ child.

Giles’ agent, Joe Bick, told the Union-Tribune he would not comment.

Padres spokesman Warren Miller said the team was aware of the lawsuit and declined further comment.

by JI on Dec 17, 2008 3:06 PM PST reply actions  

It'll be hard to show that the miscarriage was caused by the battering.

And you need to show damages.

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by Llewdor on Dec 17, 2008 3:10 PM PST up reply actions  

Sometimes you can't even determine what caused it.

My sister had a miscarriage between her second and third children, and the doctors were never able to tell her why.

Man do I love midgets.

by Thingray on Dec 17, 2008 3:22 PM PST up reply actions  

That's what I'm saying.

It will be really hard for the plaintiff to make her case.

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by Llewdor on Dec 17, 2008 4:43 PM PST up reply actions  

If I had had access to council, I would have.

But fuck seeking out a lawyer. My uni’s law school really should have had some sort of program set up for that.

by Matthew on Dec 17, 2008 6:41 PM PST up reply actions  

I learned the hard way about that.

in 1995 I was run over by a 19 yo kid in a Bronco when I was on my motorcycle. I couldn’t walk for 6 weeks.

I thought the right thing to do was not to sue. Apparently it cost me somewhere in the neighborhood of $80K settling on my own if you listen to what lawyers say. It also took well over 9 months before they actually paid.

My wife used to work at a firm representing insurance companies. When I told my story at cocktail hour one evening I damn near got mocked out of the bar.

by Sec 108 on Dec 17, 2008 6:49 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, I probably could have sued for big time.

The taxi driver had a seizure while driving and plowed us into a tree right before finals week. He had a prior history of seizures as well. Given that I had a headache for the better part of finals week, a competent lawyer probably gets to add my tuition costs for the semester on top of the negligence of not making sure the driver was taking medication.

by Matthew on Dec 17, 2008 7:06 PM PST up reply actions  

That's my thing.

Why wait six years, then ask for 10 million all of a sudden?

Man do I love midgets.

by Thingray on Dec 17, 2008 3:17 PM PST up reply actions  

Abusive relationships are powerful, poisonous things

and even if the relationship is over, it can take a long time for the abused person to get up the courage to file this sort of action.

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by pdb on Dec 17, 2008 3:21 PM PST up reply actions  

This is true.

I guess I’m just one of those people who wonders why a civil lawsuit for 10 million is the solution.

Man do I love midgets.

by Thingray on Dec 17, 2008 3:23 PM PST up reply actions  

it's probably not about the money as money

but about inflicting pain in the only way the plaintiff can – by hitting the defendant in the wallet. Hard.

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by pdb on Dec 17, 2008 3:27 PM PST up reply actions  

So it's vengeance?

Society shouldn’t promote that.

Plus, it’s hard to tell what her motives are if she gets the money. I’ve always thought punitive penalties should be paid to the state, not the victim.

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by Llewdor on Dec 17, 2008 4:46 PM PST up reply actions  

And sometimes it's a person out digging for money.

Which is why this is handled in an actual court. The court of public opinion sucks.

by Matthew on Dec 17, 2008 3:23 PM PST up reply actions  

Yup.

When the story went up today, the first comment referred to him as “O.J. Giles.”

These are the kinds of stories where you just turn the comments off and save everyone the headache.

by Teej on Dec 17, 2008 3:27 PM PST up reply actions  

It's aliiiiiive!!!

Frankenstein always pops into my head when these things break. Back to the bunker…

Formerly dpseadvr.

by Kermit. on Dec 17, 2008 3:29 PM PST up reply actions  

The local NBC affiliate has a video of him apparently hitting her at a bar.

Link. This obviously doesn’t prove that he was a lifelong woman-beater, but it definitely doesn’t look good for him.

by Teej on Dec 17, 2008 3:22 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't give a shit whether it's a lifetime thing or a one time thing.

He’s a shit head. And I find it hard to believe that a person that would hit his wife in a public place was guilty of doing such a thing just once.

by Aaron Campeau on Dec 17, 2008 3:24 PM PST up reply actions  

Just to be clear:

I firmly believe that any man who hits a woman is the highest rank of asshole (unless there is a legitimate cause for self-defense). I just hate it when people accuse someone of a crime, and then sue them in civil court for $$$ without pressing criminal charges.

Man do I love midgets.

by Thingray on Dec 17, 2008 3:27 PM PST up reply actions  

While the overall setiment is hard to disagree with

I would much rather use the term abusers rather than man/woman

by JI on Dec 17, 2008 3:29 PM PST up reply actions  

I always thought Giles was one of the good guys

Which is why the court of public opinion sucks.

by JI on Dec 17, 2008 3:28 PM PST up reply actions  

Maybe you confused Brian with Marcus.

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by Wilder. on Dec 17, 2008 3:40 PM PST up reply actions  

So Art Brut's in Salem recording an album

which is somewhat odd, considering that Salem…well, I know there are Salemites here so I won’t denigrate, let’s just say I would have thought it an unlikely place to find Art Brut.

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by pdb on Dec 17, 2008 3:42 PM PST reply actions  

But Art Brut are awesome

which is what makes it all the stranger that they’re there. I guess Frank Black is producing the album, but he lives in Portland so I really can’t figure out why Salem.

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by pdb on Dec 17, 2008 3:58 PM PST up reply actions  

I would suggest The Office jumped the shark when Michael Scott went from hair plugs to Rogaine.

I still love the show, though.

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by Wilder. on Dec 17, 2008 3:49 PM PST reply actions  

I always wondered if people noticed how much different he looked between season 1 and 2.

Whatever he did to his hair, I guess it worked, since he looks the same 3 years later as he did in season 2.

by Fin on Dec 17, 2008 5:13 PM PST up reply actions  

He had to make the change.

Nobody can watch that hairdo on a regular basis.

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by Wilder. on Dec 17, 2008 7:02 PM PST up reply actions  

I agree

They must have taken it seriously too, changing Steve Carrell’s credit shot in the opening in Season two, while keeping everyone else’s the same.

by Fin on Dec 17, 2008 8:11 PM PST up reply actions  

Slow cooker

No doubt.

Man do I love midgets.

by Thingray on Dec 17, 2008 3:50 PM PST up reply actions  

In order

Slow cooker
Rice cooker
Blender
Bread maker
Meat grinder

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by pdb on Dec 17, 2008 3:51 PM PST up reply actions  

That's how my mother does it

I like it that way on BLTs but for just eating you have to fry it

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by Corco on Dec 17, 2008 4:16 PM PST up reply actions  

Like this.

http://www.amazon.com/Presto-04821-Orville-Redenbacher-Popper/dp/B00006IUWB

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by Faux on Dec 17, 2008 7:36 PM PST up reply actions  

Have a Magic Bullet, so mixer/blender are covered.

Rice cooker, bread maker and meat grinder are all fine and dandy but probably too much for an apartment.

by Aaron Campeau on Dec 17, 2008 4:10 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, probably

but I love my rice cooker because it also doubles as a veggie steamer.

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by pdb on Dec 17, 2008 4:11 PM PST up reply actions  

I buy good beer.

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by pdb on Dec 17, 2008 4:06 PM PST up reply actions  

Come over to my place

I bet there’ll be a foot by tonight

by JI on Dec 17, 2008 4:14 PM PST up reply actions  

Then you’ll get high centered trying to leave because there’s a pure sheet of ice under it.

by JI on Dec 17, 2008 4:14 PM PST up reply actions  

This is a problem

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by pdb on Dec 17, 2008 4:11 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm liking the '10 Hyundai Sonata

looks like a mini-Genesis with a sportier grille

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by Corco on Dec 17, 2008 4:25 PM PST reply actions  

Link?

The 2009 was freshly redesigned, and I wasn’t aware of any changes for 2010

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by tootthekazoo on Dec 17, 2008 4:28 PM PST up reply actions  

.

Here

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by Corco on Dec 17, 2008 4:29 PM PST up reply actions  

Here are the non rendered

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by Corco on Dec 17, 2008 4:30 PM PST up reply actions  

'11 or '12, now that I think about it

The current look debuted for the 2006 year, and 2009 was the redesign (3 year cycle, which is common) so following that to a 6 year full redesign (again, following common timeframes) this would perhaps slide as far as ’12 but as an early model car (releasing in Spring, much like current ’09 Sonata)

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by tootthekazoo on Dec 17, 2008 4:35 PM PST up reply actions  

That makes sense

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by Corco on Dec 17, 2008 4:36 PM PST up reply actions  

Great looking car though, if they hit the renders at least

My guess is that the US version won’t be quite so “edgy” looking. Hyundai can get away with that in Korea, but not in the US.

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by tootthekazoo on Dec 17, 2008 4:47 PM PST up reply actions  

Thanks for the link

To be fair, this is more likely a 2011 model, but will release first in Korea with this look.

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by tootthekazoo on Dec 17, 2008 4:32 PM PST up reply actions  

Nielsen released it's US internet figures today for the month of Nov

164 million people in the US logged onto the internet during November and spent a total of 264.6 billion minutes. That’s an average of 27 hours per user for the month.

by Matthew on Dec 17, 2008 4:51 PM PST reply actions  

I'm surprised so many people have lives and other things to do.

Or half the country was on vacation and had limited access to the internet.

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by Wilder. on Dec 17, 2008 7:04 PM PST up reply actions  

US population is ~300M

and that’s counting (poorly):
people under the age of 5
people over the age of 75
and poor people, including the homeless

by Matthew on Dec 17, 2008 7:08 PM PST up reply actions  

Still in effect for my zip code

Although I’ve seen nothing more today than a few scattered snow flakes

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by tootthekazoo on Dec 17, 2008 4:59 PM PST up reply actions  

So I need some help.

I used to play video games all the time, but my PS3 didn’t work last year in Denmark and then it died this summer. So I’ve decided, in true Christmas spirit, to purchase a new video game system for myself for the holidays. But I’m not sure if I want a PS3 or a XBOX 360. Since I know a bunch of you play video games, which do you think is better, and why?

Also I prefer sports games and war games. I don’t really play anything else.

by brayden04 on Dec 17, 2008 5:46 PM PST reply actions  

360.

The new ones are supposedly way more stable and it, of course, has Xbox Live which is still a pretty good deal.

by Coach Owens on Dec 17, 2008 5:51 PM PST up reply actions  

If your main focus is gaming, go with the 360.

If taking the dive into Blu-ray movies is high on your priority list, the PS3 is a good value. But it’s not the gaming machine that the Xbox is. Online play is much less refined, from what I understand (though it is free), and most games that come out for both systems have looked and played better on the Xbox.

Plus the 360 has more top-shelf games and, in my opinion, better exclusives.

Since this is a baseball site, though, I should point out that the PS3 baseball game, The Show, is exclusive to Sony systems and is far superior to any baseball game on Xbox.

by Teej on Dec 17, 2008 5:55 PM PST up reply actions  

For what it's worth, a new developer is doing MLB 2K8 this year.

Visual Concepts, which does NBA 2K and some other highly rated sports series, is taking over.

And while the current game feels horribly rushed, it’s still playable. I’ve put in hour upon hour playing it. It’s just not as good as the PS3 game. But with a new developer, there’s hope.

Baseball games are my favorite, too, and I don’t regret choosing a 360 at all.

by Teej on Dec 17, 2008 6:32 PM PST up reply actions  

So I just watched Momma's Boys because a college friend of mine is on it.

Dreadful. Not that I expected anything else, but I don’t understand how people watch these shows. I had to fast-forward through much of it because I become embarrassed. I feel so dirty.

by Teej on Dec 17, 2008 6:38 PM PST reply actions  

When I first read that, I thought you meant the movie Grandma's Boy

And I was like, how could you? But yea, my girlfriend seems to want to watch the show Momma’s Boy. Is it like the bachelor?

by Fin on Dec 17, 2008 6:42 PM PST up reply actions  

I've never seen The Bachelor, but I imagine it's somewhat similar -- but with three racist, annoying moms involved.

It’s three dudes, their moms, and like 30 women living in a big-ass house. I feel obligated to watch, but it’s so painful and boring and cliche and scripted and I hate myself.

by Teej on Dec 17, 2008 6:47 PM PST up reply actions  

I think I'm going to watch House of Saddam to cleanse myself.

I heard it was solid.

And by the way, here’s the Metacritic page for Momma’s Boys. I think that’s pretty close to a record.

by Teej on Dec 17, 2008 6:50 PM PST up reply actions  

That was a wonderful 2 hour nap.

It really was, but now I must suffer the consequences of staying lying awake in bed later on tonight.

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by Wilder. on Dec 17, 2008 7:07 PM PST reply actions  

Read the Corco LJ that Robert posted above.

The first time that came out was when this was made, I believe.

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by Faux on Dec 17, 2008 8:10 PM PST up reply actions  

Wrong wrong wrong

Those developed entirely independently. In my younger years I maintained a daily blog and selectively copy and paste whole entries in certain contexts on occasion.

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by Corco on Dec 17, 2008 8:16 PM PST up reply actions  

I meant came out on LL.

That was the first time I had seen it, and I’ve been around for a while.

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by Faux on Dec 17, 2008 8:19 PM PST up reply actions  

Nope

I don’t remember its original inception but its been around for a long time and has nothing to do with my blog or excerpt from it

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by Corco on Dec 17, 2008 8:27 PM PST up reply actions  

Makes sense.

That’s the first time I remember it.

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by Faux on Dec 17, 2008 8:30 PM PST up reply actions  

So, anyone here try driving out in the snow?

I went to pick up a pizza at Round Table, and took over half an hour for a one mile each way trip.

by Fin on Dec 17, 2008 8:23 PM PST reply actions  

That's longer then it should take

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by Corco on Dec 17, 2008 8:27 PM PST up reply actions  

Still

Assuming you weren’t riding a bike you should be able to drive 2 miles in a maximum of 15 minutes, even with a giant blizzard and a foot of snow on the ground (or just a sheet of ice)

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by Corco on Dec 17, 2008 8:37 PM PST up reply actions  

My favorite is the four wheel drive hero

Hey, I’m going 50 in a 30 ‘cause I’ve got 4 wheel drive with 36 inch knobby tires! Oh shit I gotta stop! Wheeeeeee! (spinning donuts)

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by Kermit. on Dec 17, 2008 8:44 PM PST up reply actions  

Those people are hilarious

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by Corco on Dec 17, 2008 8:44 PM PST up reply actions  

My favorite winter drive is from Ontario to Bogus Basin.

Going 35 in the right lane in a snow storm. People flying by on the left, you always pass them in the ditch a couple miles down the road.

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by Kermit. on Dec 17, 2008 8:46 PM PST up reply actions  

People in the Treasure Valley are the absolute worst with 4WD speedsters

They account for like 99% of vehicles we have to pull out of the ditch in the winters in McCall

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by Corco on Dec 17, 2008 8:51 PM PST up reply actions  

and they'll haul ass with their snowmobile trailers and pickup trucks going up Idaho 55

when there’s 6 inches of snow on the road

and then complain when they end up in the river

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by Corco on Dec 17, 2008 8:52 PM PST up reply actions  

Californians/Portlanders/Seattleites that ifnd their way up there

are too paranoid and drive so slow they just obstruct traffic but don’t end up in the ditch

There’s a happy medium

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by Corco on Dec 17, 2008 8:53 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeeehaaaaa! I gots me some 36" Mickey Thompsons!

A nice HS weekend job in the winter time was pulling people out of the ditch between Yakima and White Pass. There was always that one dude that would get stuck about 3 times.

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by Kermit. on Dec 17, 2008 8:53 PM PST up reply actions  

I love it

It’s a great way to make a little money off tourists though.

I just keep a tow strap in my car and charge anybody with a 1A, 2C, or out of state plate $20 to pull them out, particularly when I’m driving our old F-250

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by Corco on Dec 17, 2008 8:56 PM PST up reply actions  

Everybody in McCall does it

We hate our tourists

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by Corco on Dec 17, 2008 9:02 PM PST up reply actions  

Just don't go in the ditch

For some reason thousands of tourists come anyway despite our best efforts to scare them away. That’s how beautiful McCall is

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by Corco on Dec 17, 2008 9:08 PM PST up reply actions  

Bahahahaha!

Bahahahahaha! Hey wait a sec….

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by Kermit. on Dec 17, 2008 9:11 PM PST up reply actions  

It's not like I would possibly be able to find a free pull out of a ditch in Seattle

I’d have to call a towing company and pay $100 to get pulled out

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by Corco on Dec 17, 2008 9:13 PM PST up reply actions  

Hey, that was how I made my gas and ski money in HS.

Used to troll up and down Hwy 12 out of Naches pulling the skiers out of the ditches when the weather was bad.

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by Kermit. on Dec 17, 2008 9:02 PM PST up reply actions  

Speaking of White Pass, stay off my wave dude.
dude.. to the comment below seriously white is a locals moutain or atleast should be its not huge we dont need gaypers like you crowding up the lift line and side jumping in the terrian park soo go gayper up a different mountain Cheers Leppy

WTF? Whatever.

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by Kermit. on Dec 17, 2008 9:09 PM PST up reply actions  

People who should know better made a mistake

and people make mistakes. People from Montana/Wyoming/E Wash/E Ore/not 1A or 2C probably don’t have as much money either. Taking money from them is like taking from one of our own- they’re not tourists but “visitors”

People who don’t belong and end up in the ditch shouldn’t be there to begin with. Damn Californians

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by Corco on Dec 17, 2008 9:10 PM PST up reply actions  

I was just trying to parse it myself and gave myself a headache

but then what do I know, I’m just a stupid urbanite.

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by pdb on Dec 17, 2008 9:12 PM PST up reply actions  

There's a reason I'm moving to the middle of Wyoming

City folks just don’t get it

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by Corco on Dec 17, 2008 9:16 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't want to ask

but I will say that non-city folks have as many “its” they don’t get as city folks do.

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Dec 17, 2008 9:17 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't know about this one man.

I’m just stepping out of this one, been nice comparing notes on E.WA, Treasure Valley though. I don’t meet many people that are familiar with that area.

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by Kermit. on Dec 17, 2008 9:20 PM PST up reply actions  

Actually per above I'll explain to you why we pull people from rural areas out for free

Because if we get stranded in their ditch they’ll have a tow strap in their car and pull US out for free. Somebody goes in the ditch in McCall and almost every single car pulls over to help.

If I go into the ditch in Seattle/Boise/city nobody is A) going to have a tow strap handy or B) offer to pull us out. If I break down on the interstate in Seattle 5,000 cars will go by before somebody offers to help. And then I’ll pay a ton of money to get my towed.

You guys don’t help each other or us out in situations like that, so why should we help you?

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by Corco on Dec 17, 2008 9:24 PM PST up reply actions  

Honestly the last time I tried to help a driver in Seattle.

It was a woman with a flat tire in the rain, and I could tell she had kids in the car. Scared the shit out of her when I stopped and offered to help. Scared me too, she was so freaked I was worried she might have a gun.

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by Kermit. on Dec 17, 2008 9:27 PM PST up reply actions  

One-off stories will stick in your head, but are often not indicative of actual averages.

Think SSS.

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by Faux on Dec 17, 2008 9:34 PM PST up reply actions  

True.

But next time it happens we’ll have to see what I do.

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by Kermit. on Dec 17, 2008 9:41 PM PST up reply actions  

because living by flexible ethics is a bad way to run your life

If you pull one out of a ditch, you should pull ‘em all out. Decency as a human being doesn’t respect geopolitical boundaries.

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Dec 17, 2008 9:28 PM PST up reply actions  

Maybe

The way I see it we give them a good deal. If I break down in their town I have to pay $200 to get towed/whatever

If they break down in mine they can give me $20, I’ll pull them out, give them a ride to the mechanic if necessary, and do everything in my pwoer to help them

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by Corco on Dec 17, 2008 9:30 PM PST up reply actions  

but only if they meet certain criteria, apparently

I’d be more than happy to give you $20 to help me out of a ditch, were I in one – but my Oregon plate would indicate that you wouldn’t stop for me (Oregon plates aren’t geographically specific) so I’d never get the chance.

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Dec 17, 2008 9:32 PM PST up reply actions  

He also isn't the figure head for 'down home folks'.

What he’s saying is funny to me, just playing on the stereotypes. And while I don’t personally believe some of that stuff, I’ve done the same things he’s talking about. For different reasons but the results are the same.
I’ve also gone out of my way with no expectations for total strangers, like my personal sliding scale of another person’s needs.
What that says about me as a person I have no idea.

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by Kermit. on Dec 17, 2008 9:38 PM PST up reply actions  

I grew up in a small town, and spent a lot of that time living way the hell out in the country.

I have family that lives in a town in Nebraska with a population of ten. My dad grew up on a farm.

None of this really bothers me, I just like watching Corco dig his own hole.

by Aaron Campeau on Dec 17, 2008 9:44 PM PST up reply actions  

Stirring the pot!

Fun times. Never injected myself into one of these before, but then I’ve never been involved at the start.

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by Kermit. on Dec 17, 2008 9:48 PM PST up reply actions  

No I pull over regardless

I pull you out for free if you aren’t from out of state/1A/2C, in which case I charge you $20

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by Corco on Dec 17, 2008 9:33 PM PST up reply actions  

ah. So now you're just preying on tourists.

Marginally more acceptable, but still.

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by pdb on Dec 17, 2008 9:34 PM PST up reply actions  

That's the only objective

is to pull some of that extra California money into Idaho pockets

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by Corco on Dec 17, 2008 9:35 PM PST up reply actions  

so if you pull someone out of the ditch and they then plead poverty

do you push them back in the ditch? or do you verify payment up front?

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by pdb on Dec 17, 2008 9:37 PM PST up reply actions  

You can usually tell by the kind of car

The vast majority of people coming to McCall to visit are fairly wealthy and are in big hummers are new crew cab trucks or lexi. If they go off in a beat up pickup truck I’m probably not going to charge them.

It’s stereotyping, yes, but whatever

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by Corco on Dec 17, 2008 9:38 PM PST up reply actions  

This.

And tossing all the rural/urban stuff aside as playing on stereotypes.

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by Kermit. on Dec 17, 2008 9:32 PM PST up reply actions  

All that would be fine if Corco hadn't said there are certain people he won't help

and that decision is solely based on where a person is from.

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Dec 17, 2008 9:33 PM PST up reply actions  

That's apples and oranges.

Often if people go into a ditch in an urban area, they have already gotten on the phone and called for help.

Also, passerbys are much less likely to stop because usually you are going to fast to stop in time (much less side of the road visibility in traffic), a lot have no idea how to help, and it’s much harder to merge back onto a highway in traffic than some back road with few cars.

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by Faux on Dec 17, 2008 9:33 PM PST up reply actions  

I wouldn't know how to pull a car out of a ditch if you put a gun to my head and ordered me to do it

so the best I can do is stop and offer to call 911 or AAA.

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Dec 17, 2008 9:35 PM PST up reply actions  

1A, 2C? Are those county designations in Idaho?

I know they used to work those into the plate number, don’t know if they still do that.

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by Kermit. on Dec 17, 2008 9:00 PM PST up reply actions  

I think most states give rental cars normal plates now

there was a stretch of time there where there were lots of carjackings in FL and CA because rental cars had distinctive plates, so that practice was ended.

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by pdb on Dec 17, 2008 9:11 PM PST up reply actions  

I remember reading something about that.

German tourists and Florida probably. Used to see some different license plates around, or the license plate holders would be for a rental company. Never thought much about it.

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by Kermit. on Dec 17, 2008 9:13 PM PST up reply actions  

The car I had this weekend had an Enterprise license plate holder on it

and an Enterprise sticker next to the Texas emissions sticker (tagline: Remember the date…Love your state.), so I’m not sure what having a normal license plate would accomplish, I’m still a target

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by pdb on Dec 17, 2008 9:16 PM PST up reply actions  

I should really pay more attention to that stuff.

I’m usually so paranoid in high traffic (meaning pedestrian) areas anyway, surprised I never thought about the tags before. Dang, one more thing to think about.

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by Kermit. on Dec 17, 2008 9:23 PM PST up reply actions  

Not so much

unless you’re driving in a high risk area (South Bronx, South Central LA, some parts of Philly, etc) it’s probably not anything to be overly concerned about, no more so than driving a car you own.

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by pdb on Dec 17, 2008 9:26 PM PST up reply actions  

My state of high alert begins at the front yard.

When you let your guard down is when they get you.

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by Kermit. on Dec 17, 2008 9:30 PM PST up reply actions  

South Central? Black people love me.

Essential

Screw you, Mariners. I'm back in football's loving arms. *edit: well, shit. This isn't going well.

by kevin_ess on Dec 17, 2008 9:32 PM PST up reply actions  

Indeed, my good friend.

Screw you, Mariners. I'm back in football's loving arms. *edit: well, shit. This isn't going well.

by kevin_ess on Dec 17, 2008 9:57 PM PST up reply actions  

1A is Ada county which is Boise

2C is Canyon which is Nampa-Caldwell

All the other counties are cool

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by Corco on Dec 17, 2008 9:02 PM PST up reply actions  

I just drove to the store and back in the snow

but the snow was cleverly camouflaged as just barely raining.

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by pdb on Dec 17, 2008 8:37 PM PST up reply actions  

Fucking weather people.

I wish I could be wrong every day at work and still retain my job.

It’s like getting paid millions only to bat .250. 25% percent of work sounds fanfuckingtastic.

Screw you, Mariners. I'm back in football's loving arms. *edit: well, shit. This isn't going well.

by kevin_ess on Dec 17, 2008 9:28 PM PST reply actions  

Wrong, my friend. Who complains about a dry bagel they know they're going to get?

Screw you, Mariners. I'm back in football's loving arms. *edit: well, shit. This isn't going well.

by kevin_ess on Dec 17, 2008 9:36 PM PST up reply actions  

Stupid people.

And there are a lot of stupid people in the world.

by Coach Owens on Dec 17, 2008 9:37 PM PST up reply actions  

You're cute. Like a hemorroid.

Screw you, Mariners. I'm back in football's loving arms. *edit: well, shit. This isn't going well.

by kevin_ess on Dec 17, 2008 9:44 PM PST up reply actions  

I think you're missing my point. These people are paid to gamble on weather. Cake job, and fuck 'em.

Screw you, Mariners. I'm back in football's loving arms. *edit: well, shit. This isn't going well.

by kevin_ess on Dec 17, 2008 9:42 PM PST up reply actions  

Not to go all Corco on you

but meteorology is actually a science, with college degree programs and everything. I wouldn’t say they’re paid to gamble – they’re just working with a data set that’s never the same from hour to hour. I have no great loathing for what they do, I’d just rather get my data from Weather Underground so I don’t have to watch them.

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by pdb on Dec 17, 2008 9:44 PM PST up reply actions  

What's with all the exclamation points!

Did you polish off that whole bottle of Mountain Dew!

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by pdb on Dec 17, 2008 9:46 PM PST up reply actions  

Nah.

It’s just that, you know, that was an exclamation, so I used exclamation points.

by Coach Owens on Dec 17, 2008 9:47 PM PST up reply actions  

And you say school never taught you anything you'll use in real life.

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by Faux on Dec 17, 2008 9:57 PM PST up reply actions  

Lesson:

You don’t get laid when you talk weather.

Screw you, Mariners. I'm back in football's loving arms. *edit: well, shit. This isn't going well.

by kevin_ess on Dec 17, 2008 9:59 PM PST up reply actions  

They're not wrong every day.

They’re just wrong every day that they predict snow in the Seattle area.

by Coach Owens on Dec 17, 2008 9:30 PM PST up reply actions  

FWIW, when forecaster say there's a 60 percent chance of precipitation they're not talking odds.

They are talking about a region. 60 percent of the area is going to get wet, I can’t remember if it’s by county or what. They way they announce it is misleading and they really are shooting themselves in the foot by not explaining the difference.

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by Kermit. on Dec 17, 2008 9:46 PM PST reply actions  

Very interesting

I never knew that

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by Corco on Dec 17, 2008 9:48 PM PST up reply actions  

It's sort of like a 10 percent chance

If ten percent of the ground is being rained on then relative to the rest of your region there is a ten percent chance you’ll get rained on

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by Corco on Dec 17, 2008 9:51 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm having issues finding a credible source,

but here’s this.

It’s probability based on prior storms that were similar. Or something like that?

by Teej on Dec 17, 2008 9:52 PM PST up reply actions  

Quote from the column:
While it’s possible to predict the temperature, say, with a reasonable degree of certainty, precipitation is much chancier. The best forecasters can do is to give the probabilities, which they do by having the computer compare present conditions with historical data. When you hear there’s a 10 percent chance of rain, that means that out of the last 100 times the weather conditions were just like they are now, it rained 10 times. (More or less—I’m obliged to oversimplify a bit.)

by Teej on Dec 17, 2008 9:54 PM PST up reply actions  

That could still apply to a region, not a one in ten for the whole enchilada. I'm digging.

You’ve got me doubting myself now, even though I can see the page like it’s in front of my face. Grrrrr, that’s frustrating sometimes. I’ll source this and get back to you, might take awhile.

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by Kermit. on Dec 17, 2008 9:58 PM PST up reply actions  

I just think that it'd be incredibly unlikely for meteorologists,

who have an extremely difficult job, to try and predict which percentage of an area would get rain/snow/whatever rather than just saying how likely it is that the area, as a whole, would get rain/snow/whatever.

by Coach Owens on Dec 17, 2008 10:10 PM PST up reply actions  

Area of interaction. Better version of my 1000 word reply to Teej.

Fronts are only going to interact in a zone. You predict where that zone will be and how large. You’re predicting precipitation in that zone, but what’s really important is where that zone will be and how large. Also, there’s different predictions. Radar is only good for 6hrs, the long range stuff (3-7 days) is a different animal. Here is a decent link to swetzel/winter/winter.html" target="new">descriptions of different methods. Left hand side, scroll down to traditional methods. Some good stuff in procedure descriptions.

I’m not trying to win anything here Teej (or anybody else that was reading this) this is really interesting to me. I never thought much about the differences. The weather reports I was involved with were ballistic met, chemical downrange reports (provided for civilian use also, think chemical fires, train derailments etc.), and severe weather predictions (which is the reason I spouted off about percentage of area to begin with).

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by Kermit. on Dec 17, 2008 11:43 PM PST up reply actions  

Crap, has html on the end. SB doesn't like that I guess.

http://speedy.meteor.wisc.edu/~swetzel/winter/winter. Type h t m l without spaces after the period. Stupid internet tubes.

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by Kermit. on Dec 17, 2008 11:49 PM PST up reply actions  

I should have double checked before I popped off.

I’m not really the type to dig in in the face of opposition. Used to be a weatherman in the army, and took the civilian weather service test for kicks once. In the mid-west you get paid for that, and I almost went to Kansas State. But maybe I’m remembering this incorrectly, you’ve caught me before (I’m still undecided on the other thing). I’ll do some digging.

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by Kermit. on Dec 17, 2008 9:55 PM PST up reply actions  

I could be wrong.

I have no idea what that website I linked to is. But I’m just thinking that there’s no way to know days in advance exactly which parts of a storm will produce rain, so you can’t really put a percentage on “how much ground will be covered” or something like that. If that makes any sense.

Either way, it’s an interesting discussion.

by Teej on Dec 17, 2008 9:59 PM PST up reply actions  

There was a long discussion in the class, exactly like this. Total deja vu.

What has me doubting is the fact that it was taught by military personnel. Which means that the subject matter is open to interpretation, and I often questioned the interpretation. I also learned not to really speak up much. If you pressed a point to closely you could find yourself pulling some bullshit details.

Formerly dpseadvr.

by Kermit. on Dec 17, 2008 10:04 PM PST up reply actions  

Mmmm, what you're saying makes perfect sense.

Also consider that with high and low pressure systems moving in and out of a region, trapping each other and interacting with local geography, you’re looking at the size of the systems involved. Then you consider how much the systems will interact (your front) and the area they will be covering. How much area will this system cover? How likely is it this event will create precipitation? You take your chance of precipitation and the area it will cover (I never memorized the formulas, I’d almost rather die than do my taxes). This is a terrible explanation, but a rough edit of part of a class I had.

I’m leaning your way on this though. A)I’m totally wrong. B) there might be a difference between what type of forecasting the military/civil service is doing and what civilian forecasters are doing. There are certain types of forecasting not involved in this discussion that are something else entirely, but for what we’re talking about I may be talking apples instead of oranges and I didn’t realize it. Which means A, really.

Formerly dpseadvr.

by Kermit. on Dec 17, 2008 10:46 PM PST up reply actions  

How our school determines whether school happens

Get up at 3 AM.
Drive the bus routes.
If unsafe: 2 hour late start
If mostly safe: normal
If roads are unnavigable: no school

Mind you this is a school district that extends from the Kent Valley to Lake Sawyer.

by Mariner John on Dec 17, 2008 10:42 PM PST reply actions  

Man, how glad I am not to be in high school anymore.

Don’t have to worry about this stuff. If it snows when we get back, it will probably be either be school or no school, no late start crap.

by Fin on Dec 18, 2008 12:12 AM PST up reply actions  

When my Dad woke up this morning school was scheduled as normal.

When he turned on the radio in his truck there was a two hour delay. Five minutes after he got into his classroom they canceled classes.

by Aaron Campeau on Dec 18, 2008 12:44 AM PST up reply actions  

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