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The Trade That Wasn't

Jon Paul Morosi:

One proposal involved the Tigers sending Matt Joyce to Tampa Bay and outfielders Wilkin Ramirez and Casper Wells to Seattle. Putz was the only player the Tigers would have received. (Contrary to what was reported in Thursday's Free Press, infielder Jeff Larish and right-hander Freddy Dolsi were not involved at that stage.)

I'm not sure what Tampa Bay would've sent to Seattle in this one (Fernando Perez?), but considering the minimal price they paid for Joyce straight up, I think I'm a bigger fan of the trade we made.

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Hmmm....

Would two more toolsy outfielders with a lot of strikeouts change the system dynamic for the better? I don’t think so. They can walk more than some of our guys, but the bust potential seems equally high.

I take the trade we made, I think.

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/

by JY on Dec 14, 2008 7:36 PM PST reply actions  

Stupid question?

But why not make this a two team deal? Joyce for Putz?

by zeke5123 on Dec 14, 2008 8:33 PM PST reply actions  

Good question

I would assume because Zoidberg didn’t really want Joyce.

by johnbai on Dec 14, 2008 8:57 PM PST up reply actions  

I bet it's this one

I think Z was going for a CF the whole time (he’s more or less said that he was after Gutierrez from the start), and as good as Joyce is in the corners, I don’t think we’d want him in centre.

by Graham MacAree on Dec 14, 2008 9:06 PM PST up reply actions  

If we got Perez back too, I dunno

I think I’d still make the other deal because of the 5 other players we received.

by JI on Dec 14, 2008 9:11 PM PST up reply actions  

True

and while you can pick nits here and there the return was very good (I just read what Churchill had to say about Cleto) and most importantly I like the style.

Z seems to focus on skills, not players if that makes any sense. I think he wouldn’t give a fuck about Gutierrez if there were another, more gettable guy with the same tools. BB would have gone on and on about his makeup and team spirit and traded Beltre for him.

by Bearskin Rugburn on Dec 14, 2008 9:45 PM PST up reply actions  

What the Rays front office did

Was go out for 2 years and grab a bunch of young talented guys, then once they had a framework of talent they fill in the holes. Maybe that’s what Z is trying to do. Grab a bunch of talent in looking towards the future and then after next season see how it all fits and plug holes.

I could be wrong though

by staplemaniac on Dec 15, 2008 11:41 AM PST up reply actions  

It would be defensible, certainly

but if Zduriencik walked in, took a look at the rotation and the roster, and said, “Holy crow [or some variant thereof], we gotta get some good gloves in the outfield,” I can’t argue with him for making that a priority.

by The Ancient Mariner on Dec 15, 2008 6:48 AM PST up reply actions  

Very weird.

Can’t really judge it unless we know what was coming here from Tampa. Perez would make sense given that Gutierrez was a top target…

by Bearskin Rugburn on Dec 14, 2008 9:07 PM PST reply actions  

Considering Tampa Bay's glut of good outfielders

The returning player could have been Crawford or Zobrist, but I’m just blindly speculating. It’s obvious that Z was looking for a guy who could play center and play it well.

Fans are typically idiots.

by The Typical Idiot Fan on Dec 14, 2008 9:44 PM PST reply actions  

By the by

Joyce would easily replace whomever they lost, hence why I’m speculating on it being a current player for them.

Fans are typically idiots.

by The Typical Idiot Fan on Dec 14, 2008 9:45 PM PST up reply actions  

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