The Trade That Wasn't

by Jeff Sullivan on Dec 14, 2008 7:01 PM PST in Miscellaneous

One proposal involved the Tigers sending Matt Joyce to Tampa Bay and outfielders Wilkin Ramirez and Casper Wells to Seattle. Putz was the only player the Tigers would have received. (Contrary to what was reported in Thursday's Free Press, infielder Jeff Larish and right-hander Freddy Dolsi were not involved at that stage.)

I'm not sure what Tampa Bay would've sent to Seattle in this one (Fernando Perez?), but considering the minimal price they paid for Joyce straight up, I think I'm a bigger fan of the trade we made.

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Hey, an example of where quantity beats out quality.

by JI on Dec 14, 2008 7:10 PM PST reply actions

Hmmm....

Would two more toolsy outfielders with a lot of strikeouts change the system dynamic for the better? I don’t think so. They can walk more than some of our guys, but the bust potential seems equally high.

I take the trade we made, I think.

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by JY on Dec 14, 2008 7:36 PM PST reply actions

Stupid question?

But why not make this a two team deal? Joyce for Putz?

by zeke5123 on Dec 14, 2008 8:33 PM PST reply actions

Good question

I would assume because Zoidberg didn’t really want Joyce.

by johnbai on Dec 14, 2008 8:57 PM PST up reply actions

Or Dombrowski didn't think of Putz as highly as he thought of Jackson.

Which kinda blows my mind, but I’m not putting anything past him right now.

by Teej on Dec 14, 2008 9:00 PM PST up reply actions

Nah, this deal shows they'd be willing to give up Joyce to get JJ

by Graham MacAree on Dec 14, 2008 9:07 PM PST up reply actions

I guess I'm misreading.

My head’s not on today.

by Teej on Dec 14, 2008 9:08 PM PST up reply actions

I bet it's this one

I think Z was going for a CF the whole time (he’s more or less said that he was after Gutierrez from the start), and as good as Joyce is in the corners, I don’t think we’d want him in centre.

by Graham MacAree on Dec 14, 2008 9:06 PM PST up reply actions

If we got Perez back too, I dunno

I think I’d still make the other deal because of the 5 other players we received.

by JI on Dec 14, 2008 9:11 PM PST up reply actions

No but you can deal with Reed there

given the extra pop in LF.

by Bearskin Rugburn on Dec 14, 2008 9:25 PM PST up reply actions

While I sort of agree with that on a roster construction level, it looks like Zduriencik did/does not.

That’s just my interpretation of the trade not happening, anyway.

by Graham MacAree on Dec 14, 2008 9:29 PM PST up reply actions

True

and while you can pick nits here and there the return was very good (I just read what Churchill had to say about Cleto) and most importantly I like the style.

Z seems to focus on skills, not players if that makes any sense. I think he wouldn’t give a fuck about Gutierrez if there were another, more gettable guy with the same tools. BB would have gone on and on about his makeup and team spirit and traded Beltre for him.

by Bearskin Rugburn on Dec 14, 2008 9:45 PM PST up reply actions

What the Rays front office did

Was go out for 2 years and grab a bunch of young talented guys, then once they had a framework of talent they fill in the holes. Maybe that’s what Z is trying to do. Grab a bunch of talent in looking towards the future and then after next season see how it all fits and plug holes.

I could be wrong though

by staplemaniac on Dec 15, 2008 11:41 AM PST up reply actions