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Well it's Friday. Finally.

Today's interesting links:

Today's potential discussion questions:

  • Who here is good with car detailing? My Celica is showing the tell-tale signs of red paint oxidation and I'm wondering how I should deal with it.
  • Remember those classic novels you had to read in high school? Which one did you hate the most?
  • Snow gets a bad rap around here by the media. Personally, I love it. Do you still get excited every time you see it snowing around here?

Late edit: Today's the last day to donate to Dave's scholarship fund. If you've been thinking about it but haven't donated yet, Here's the pledgie link.

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Rabbit ears just won’t cut it anymore.

Screw you, Mariners. I'm back in football's loving arms. *edit: well, shit. This isn't going well.

by kevin_ess on Dec 12, 2008 8:47 AM PST reply actions  

Holy shit is Norm MacDonald ever funny

Found some links to him on YouTube from a mainpage thread…jesus christ, he’s still hilarious.

Patriotism, Pepper, Professionalism

by esoteric on Dec 12, 2008 8:48 AM PST reply actions  

"Remember those classic novels you had to read in high school? Which one did you hate the most? "

I hate Catcher in the Rye. What a waste of time.

The meandering Moby Dick was boring as shit as well and not particularly well written.

by azruavatar on Dec 12, 2008 8:52 AM PST reply actions  

I feel a little ashamed to say I never read either.

Screw you, Mariners. I'm back in football's loving arms. *edit: well, shit. This isn't going well.

by kevin_ess on Dec 12, 2008 8:55 AM PST up reply actions  

Don't be.

I haven’t read either, too. I dodged Catcher and the Rye when I switched classes from the first semester and second while in 8th grade.

As for Moby Dick, I am not sure if that ever came up during school. When I moved to Japan and finished my junior and senior years of high school, their reading curriculum was more centered on international classics; mainly by Asian authors.

Oh fuck you. Get out of work? Do what i do and piss your pantalones. Ain’t no one going to fuck with you when you piss your pants. -- kevin_ess, winebibber

by Wilder. on Dec 12, 2008 10:32 AM PST up reply actions  

I liked the Catcher in the Rye

but I was a sucker for that “coming of age” type of book.

the other angels fan

by Eyebrows on Dec 12, 2008 8:56 AM PST up reply actions  

You must've love Lolita.

Screw you, Mariners. I'm back in football's loving arms. *edit: well, shit. This isn't going well.

by kevin_ess on Dec 12, 2008 8:57 AM PST up reply actions  

*loved

Screw you, Mariners. I'm back in football's loving arms. *edit: well, shit. This isn't going well.

by kevin_ess on Dec 12, 2008 8:57 AM PST up reply actions  

Snow is awesome.

I hope it dumps 10 inches and paralyzes the cities of Portland and Vancouver. Yay for snow days!

by Phil Hatzenbuehler on Dec 12, 2008 8:55 AM PST reply actions  

If it's going to be bitterly cold, it may as well be horribly snowy, or it's just a pain in the ass.

Screw you, Mariners. I'm back in football's loving arms. *edit: well, shit. This isn't going well.

by kevin_ess on Dec 12, 2008 8:56 AM PST up reply actions  

26 high and 17 low here in Seattle..that's insane around here.

I’m not looking forward to waiting for my bus that morning..or the days after that. Looks like we have like a week of weather this cold. Lame.

I fucking hate you Mariners

by kentroyals5 on Dec 12, 2008 9:19 AM PST up reply actions  

It was 14 degrees at my house at midnight.

Screw you, Mariners. I'm back in football's loving arms. *edit: well, shit. This isn't going well.

by kevin_ess on Dec 12, 2008 9:24 AM PST up reply actions  

My dad lives in Enumclaw

Sunday is supposed to have a high of 12, and a low of 2.

HA HA HA, your Grandpa's an ASS!- Tourette's Guy (R.I.P)

by tootthekazoo on Dec 12, 2008 10:11 AM PST up reply actions  

And snow

HA HA HA, your Grandpa's an ASS!- Tourette's Guy (R.I.P)

by tootthekazoo on Dec 12, 2008 10:12 AM PST up reply actions  

This explains a lot.

Horses are warm animals, it just makes sense.

(Not nec your dad, but Enumclaw)

It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray

by Faux on Dec 12, 2008 10:12 AM PST up reply actions  

It isn't horrible, really

But imagine coming into 4 corners from Renton, turning left, and still having a half hour to drive to get to his place. Way the fuck out there

HA HA HA, your Grandpa's an ASS!- Tourette's Guy (R.I.P)

by tootthekazoo on Dec 12, 2008 10:44 AM PST up reply actions  

No buddy will ever be able to convince me otherwise.

And to further prove this, Mother nature severed MV’s link with the god forsaken hell hole.

by Robert on Dec 12, 2008 11:15 AM PST up reply actions  

I hate Enumclaw

Their annoying turn grid and how it sits caddy-corner to SR 410 to get into town allows you to get downtown on essentially one of two streets.

Coming eastbound to get on SR 164 from SR 410 you are directed down Cole St. The city of Enumclaw signs state route 164 as Cole St, which is fantastic till you hit Griffin Ave, where you have to turn left to stay on SR 164.

And then you get this sign

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by Corco on Dec 12, 2008 11:14 AM PST up reply actions  

Geography, why?

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by Corco on Dec 12, 2008 11:17 AM PST up reply actions  

And now I see where you're going

It was Communication, yes that was very awkwardly phrased, yes I just woke up

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by Corco on Dec 12, 2008 11:18 AM PST up reply actions  

Actually, no, although that would have been a Matthew-style dig.

I asked because it seems to me that you should be majoring in something related to urban planning or the like that would be attractive to the public sector re: city planning or transportation

by Matthew on Dec 12, 2008 11:20 AM PST up reply actions  

Yeah fuck Enumclaw

Thankfully I don’t have to touch the downtown area at all when visiting my dad. Plus he has a huge patch of property which is nice, and allows him to have huge parties out there all the time (like 150+ people on occasion)

HA HA HA, your Grandpa's an ASS!- Tourette's Guy (R.I.P)

by tootthekazoo on Dec 12, 2008 11:19 AM PST up reply actions  

"Downtown" Enumclaw makes me laugh.

I lived there for a few years when I was a kid. It’s hard to realize what a shithole a place is when you’re that young, so I have fond memories.

by Teej on Dec 12, 2008 11:30 AM PST up reply actions  

It really does

And he’s not even in the middle part of Enumclaw, where there are businesses and such. He’s in a little burg on the back side of it, which makes it take forever to get to and from his house

HA HA HA, your Grandpa's an ASS!- Tourette's Guy (R.I.P)

by tootthekazoo on Dec 12, 2008 10:44 AM PST up reply actions  

That is one of the things I'm going to miss the most about Spokane.

I am no longer in Spokane, but I think I'll keep the name anyway.

by InSpokane on Dec 12, 2008 9:39 AM PST up reply actions  

Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes.

I don’t hate the snow, but I hate when it comes to me.

Oh fuck you. Get out of work? Do what i do and piss your pantalones. Ain’t no one going to fuck with you when you piss your pants. -- kevin_ess, winebibber

by Wilder. on Dec 12, 2008 10:33 AM PST up reply actions  

I don't mind if it snows, I just hate the slush.

I plan on being inside all weekend, so it doesn’t matter to me.

I hated the Iliad.

by royalcurve on Dec 12, 2008 9:04 AM PST reply actions  

If it's anything like Portland when I was there,

it’ll be a big run up, then when it hits it’ll be 1/2 inch, then rain.

It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray

by Faux on Dec 12, 2008 9:05 AM PST reply actions  

Don't forget everyone

today’s the last day to donate to Dave Cameron’s scholarship fund.

by BrianL on Dec 12, 2008 9:12 AM PST reply actions  

Iron & Wine is the stage and recording name of one dude

The one dude’s music features several instruments.

This is how I like to picture Iron & Wine:

I’m also sad to report that Groundskeeper Willie loses his Scottish accent when dubbed in Italian.

by Jeff Sullivan on Dec 12, 2008 9:21 AM PST reply actions  

Sam Beam is a talented freak.

Screw you, Mariners. I'm back in football's loving arms. *edit: well, shit. This isn't going well.

by kevin_ess on Dec 12, 2008 9:28 AM PST up reply actions  

Books I was forced to read in school that sucked ass:

The Great Gatzby, Great Expectations, 1984.

GG and Expectations sucked because I hate stories where there are no characters with any kind of redeeming qualities. I have to be able to identify with at least one character to enjoy a book. 1984 was just boring.

Fear the NPE

by thewyrm on Dec 12, 2008 9:31 AM PST reply actions  

My favorite book I was force to read in school:

12 Angry Men.

Screw you, Mariners. I'm back in football's loving arms. *edit: well, shit. This isn't going well.

by kevin_ess on Dec 12, 2008 9:34 AM PST up reply actions  

Good movie too.

The original, not the remake.

by waldo rojas on Dec 12, 2008 9:36 AM PST up reply actions  

If you like the old-timey legal dramas

check out Anatomy of a Murder with Jimmy Stewart and Ben Gazzara. Soundtrack by Duke Ellington, who even has a cameo. One of my favorite movies.

by waldo rojas on Dec 12, 2008 9:46 AM PST up reply actions  

My favorite that I had to read:

Catch-22

HA HA HA, your Grandpa's an ASS!- Tourette's Guy (R.I.P)

by tootthekazoo on Dec 12, 2008 10:16 AM PST up reply actions  

Oh man good one!

One of my favorite quotes was from Joseph Heller. A guy asked him why everything he wrote after Catch-22 wasn’t near as good, Heller replied that nothing anybody else wrote was either.

It’s a hand lotion, not a dick lotion.- wilder., connoisseur.

by Kermit. on Dec 12, 2008 10:22 AM PST up reply actions  

The movie is even pretty good,

since it follows the source material well. I still have the book from when I had to read it Senior year. About the only good thing I remember from my AP English class.

HA HA HA, your Grandpa's an ASS!- Tourette's Guy (R.I.P)

by tootthekazoo on Dec 12, 2008 10:24 AM PST up reply actions  

I should watch that again, I've only seen it on television.

I really enjoy Alan Arkin’s work. Wow, I just googled the cast, amazing! Actor Credits

It’s a hand lotion, not a dick lotion.- wilder., connoisseur.

by Kermit. on Dec 12, 2008 10:28 AM PST up reply actions  

Dammit, time to read it again

Maj. Major Major… What a brilliant goddamn book. I remember when we had our daily discussions about the book in class how damn near everybody was severely confused by it because of how twisted up much of the word-tracks were. I read it like 4 times in the week we had it. Fucking loved it

HA HA HA, your Grandpa's an ASS!- Tourette's Guy (R.I.P)

by tootthekazoo on Dec 12, 2008 10:32 AM PST up reply actions  

I've never been able to figure out the end of it.

Or maybe there is nothing to figure out. Where he breaks down mentally and it starts to read like an acid trip. And what’s his face’s whore starts following him around trying to stab him.

It’s a hand lotion, not a dick lotion.- wilder., connoisseur.

by Kermit. on Dec 12, 2008 10:36 AM PST up reply actions  

Yep, that sealed it. I'm digging it out and bringing it to work with me

What a wonderfully bizarre book that is

HA HA HA, your Grandpa's an ASS!- Tourette's Guy (R.I.P)

by tootthekazoo on Dec 12, 2008 10:38 AM PST up reply actions  

I'm surprised nobody mentioned On The Road.

Never let an impressionable 14 year old boy read that book. There ought to be a warning label on that thing.

It’s a hand lotion, not a dick lotion.- wilder., connoisseur.

by Kermit. on Dec 12, 2008 10:42 AM PST up reply actions  

I hate On the Road.

I went somewhere and met up with my friends and partied for a while. We got restless, so we traveled to another town. Drank on the way. Partied with some people I knew there. We got restless……repeat on and on.

And yes, I get the themes and culture it was portraying, just was boring.

the other angels fan

by Eyebrows on Dec 12, 2008 10:47 AM PST up reply actions  

I did not read it until I was in my 20's

I am no longer in Spokane, but I think I'll keep the name anyway.

by InSpokane on Dec 12, 2008 11:02 AM PST up reply actions  

I really hated Grapes of Wrath

But loved Upton Sinclair’s the Jungle.

I am no longer in Spokane, but I think I'll keep the name anyway.

by InSpokane on Dec 12, 2008 9:50 AM PST up reply actions  

My US History teacher brought in hot dogs and burgers one day

cooked them in class and gave them to us under the guise of some sort of class party.

Then he started reading excerpts from The Jungle while we were eating.

by BrianL on Dec 12, 2008 9:51 AM PST up reply actions  

That is mean. That book made me a Vegetarian for like ten years.

I am no longer in Spokane, but I think I'll keep the name anyway.

by InSpokane on Dec 12, 2008 9:52 AM PST up reply actions  

1984 is great.

I love dystopian novels, though. Brave New World, Fahrenheit 451, even The Giver.

the other angels fan

by Eyebrows on Dec 12, 2008 10:39 AM PST up reply actions  

I am in a fantastic mood.

1. I don’t have to drive 3 hours each way to visit my parents because of the weather.
2. The weather!
3. The possibility of not having to go to work on Monday because of the weather.
4. The Mariners making fun, intelligent moves.
5. Not having to miss the Seahawks game on Sunday, which would have happened if I were to visit my parents.

by Phil Hatzenbuehler on Dec 12, 2008 9:37 AM PST reply actions  

Yep.

Advisories have been cancelled, so we should escape the brunt of things until past midnight. The system tracked north, instead of south. Doesn’t mean that there still won’t be snow tomorrow and Sunday though

HA HA HA, your Grandpa's an ASS!- Tourette's Guy (R.I.P)

by tootthekazoo on Dec 12, 2008 11:54 AM PST up reply actions  

No shit

I really wanted snow. And now that it’s probably going to hit this weekend all it’s going to do is fuck with my work production. Nobody is going to come look at cars in the snow…

HA HA HA, your Grandpa's an ASS!- Tourette's Guy (R.I.P)

by tootthekazoo on Dec 12, 2008 11:57 AM PST up reply actions  

I hadn't thought about that,

the weather really affects your business.

Man do I love midgets.

by Thingray on Dec 12, 2008 11:59 AM PST up reply actions  

Immensely

Which sucks, because I really love snow and dislike the fact that it costs me money

HA HA HA, your Grandpa's an ASS!- Tourette's Guy (R.I.P)

by tootthekazoo on Dec 12, 2008 12:02 PM PST up reply actions  

I hope there's snow this weekend.

I just want it to hold off until after my commutes tonight.

Man do I love midgets.

by Thingray on Dec 12, 2008 11:56 AM PST up reply actions  

At the very least

things are going to be very icy this weekend. I’m not looking forward to driving tomorrow.

by BrianL on Dec 12, 2008 11:57 AM PST up reply actions  

Tomorrow I have to bowl league, so I have to get from home in Everett to Robin Hood in Edmonds,

and stop along the way to find some little “gift exchange” gift to bring (mini mag-light?), and some kind of food for the table (pre-made meat and cheese tray is what I’m thinking).

Man do I love midgets.

by Thingray on Dec 12, 2008 12:00 PM PST up reply actions  

Oh yeah,

and Sunday I have to go to Mukilteo in the morning, then to Alderwood Mall in the evening, then back to Mukilteo. That’ll be fun of it’s icy. Thankfully close to the water usually doesn’t ice up much.

Man do I love midgets.

by Thingray on Dec 12, 2008 12:01 PM PST up reply actions  

Possibility for several inches in the morning, and then scattered showers throughout the weekend

Not quite as much as it could have been, but it’s something. Also good shot at a second front coming by on Wednesday and dropping a bit on us, though only 2 of the 3 models are showing that as a possibility

HA HA HA, your Grandpa's an ASS!- Tourette's Guy (R.I.P)

by tootthekazoo on Dec 12, 2008 12:45 PM PST up reply actions  

That's why I did it

And if I ever go back to school, meteorology is likely what I’ll shoot towards (and yes I know there is a lot that goes into it, but it would be worth it)

HA HA HA, your Grandpa's an ASS!- Tourette's Guy (R.I.P)

by tootthekazoo on Dec 12, 2008 12:52 PM PST up reply actions  

Heh, I picked meteorology for my army job.

Stupid me didn’t really think through the Artillery part of the title, had absolutely nothing to do with weather prediction. Ballistic met, it was just about the immediate local weather column for accurate artillery fire. There’s a job that translates to the civilian world.

It’s a hand lotion, not a dick lotion.- wilder., connoisseur.

by Kermit. on Dec 12, 2008 1:10 PM PST up reply actions  

re: snow

My ideal seasonal pattern

8 months of sunny 85 weather
1 month of 55 weather with leaves changing
2 months of 20 weather with constant snow
1 month of rainy 55 weather
repeat

by Matthew on Dec 12, 2008 9:46 AM PST reply actions  

no no no no no

6 months of 20-30 degree, high snow weather
4 months of 60-70 degree clear skies
2 months of 85 degree heat

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by Corco on Dec 12, 2008 11:15 AM PST up reply actions  

Where is this, Fairbanks?

It’s a hand lotion, not a dick lotion.- wilder., connoisseur.

by Kermit. on Dec 12, 2008 11:16 AM PST up reply actions  

minus *2 months

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by Corco on Dec 12, 2008 11:24 AM PST up reply actions  

I've spent a lot of time in the Council area, and Imnaha. But man I don't ever remember that many months of cold.

Not calling you out with that statement. Just funny how old memories work.
Then again my dad loves telling his story about getting caught in a blizzard on the 4th of July in Hell’s Canyon.

It’s a hand lotion, not a dick lotion.- wilder., connoisseur.

by Kermit. on Dec 12, 2008 11:28 AM PST up reply actions  

Council isn't quite as bad as it's at a significantly lower elevation

I don’t know much about Imnaha’s weather

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by Corco on Dec 12, 2008 11:30 AM PST up reply actions  

Last little town into Hell's Canyon on the paved road.

Has two little dry goods stores complete with wooden Indians in front, and a post office that used to be an outhouse. But yeah elevations in Idaho can kick your ass if you’re not paying attention. I think it’s like 9000’ from the bottom of the canyon to the top of the plateau in there.

It’s a hand lotion, not a dick lotion.- wilder., connoisseur.

by Kermit. on Dec 12, 2008 11:32 AM PST up reply actions  

Holy crap

I’ve been to Joseph/Oxbow/Enterprise on the Oregon side but never made it clear up to Imnaha

I’ll have to run up there sometime, maybe if/when I drive unsigned Oregon Route 350

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by Corco on Dec 12, 2008 11:34 AM PST up reply actions  

I love Imnaha

I am no longer in Spokane, but I think I'll keep the name anyway.

by InSpokane on Dec 12, 2008 11:36 AM PST up reply actions  

You're guys are the people I've ever met that have even heard of it.

And you’re the only person outside of family that’s ever been there. Small world, go figure.

It’s a hand lotion, not a dick lotion.- wilder., connoisseur.

by Kermit. on Dec 12, 2008 11:50 AM PST up reply actions  

It's maybe closer to 5 months too

It usually starts October 15th ish and runs till March 15th ish, give or take 2 weeks in either direction

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by Corco on Dec 12, 2008 11:30 AM PST up reply actions  

The home of Reckless Kelly.

I am no longer in Spokane, but I think I'll keep the name anyway.

by InSpokane on Dec 12, 2008 11:25 AM PST up reply actions  

Now I feel obligated to contribute

4 months of 20-30 degree with plenty of snow
2 months (to bookmark the snow) of rain and wind storms
4 months of 60 degrees
1 month of 75 degrees
1 month of 85 degrees

HA HA HA, your Grandpa's an ASS!- Tourette's Guy (R.I.P)

by tootthekazoo on Dec 12, 2008 11:22 AM PST up reply actions  

BOTD...

Asparagus with shiitake mushrooms and bacon:

Screw you, Mariners. I'm back in football's loving arms. *edit: well, shit. This isn't going well.

by kevin_ess on Dec 12, 2008 9:51 AM PST reply actions  

I must disagree. Asparagus is a gift from the gods.

Screw you, Mariners. I'm back in football's loving arms. *edit: well, shit. This isn't going well.

by kevin_ess on Dec 12, 2008 9:58 AM PST up reply actions  

Excellent when grilled.

Like just about everything.

Man do I love midgets.

by Thingray on Dec 12, 2008 10:03 AM PST up reply actions  

Can't stand asparagus

But I’d give it a whirl because bacon can make anything better

HA HA HA, your Grandpa's an ASS!- Tourette's Guy (R.I.P)

by tootthekazoo on Dec 12, 2008 10:19 AM PST up reply actions  

Take a week off from the headphones.

You are more than likely pounding your eardrums to death.

by Sec 108 on Dec 12, 2008 10:01 AM PST up reply actions  

Mine ring from calcium deposits on the little moving bits and hardening of the tympanic membrane.

My anvils and hammers have bone spurs, I expected my power numbers to go up.

It’s a hand lotion, not a dick lotion.- wilder., connoisseur.

by Kermit. on Dec 12, 2008 10:06 AM PST up reply actions  

Is that a common pressure based problem?

It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray

by Faux on Dec 12, 2008 10:08 AM PST up reply actions  

Just because you'd think that diving would fuck with your ears after a while.

It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray

by Faux on Dec 12, 2008 10:08 AM PST up reply actions  

Exactly. Diving a lot actually makes it easier for most divers I know to pop their ears.

But diving every day, sometimes making repet dives is kind of hard on them. And when you’re on the clock and getting paid you force it sometimes which sucks on the the way up. If you have to force them to get down, it’s nearly always harder to get back to surface, that last 30 feet can be a killer sometimes. But you have to get to the surface, so there you go.

It’s a hand lotion, not a dick lotion.- wilder., connoisseur.

by Kermit. on Dec 12, 2008 10:16 AM PST up reply actions  

No shit

HA HA HA, your Grandpa's an ASS!- Tourette's Guy (R.I.P)

by tootthekazoo on Dec 12, 2008 10:22 AM PST up reply actions  

I'm not going to do it anymore.

It’s a hand lotion, not a dick lotion.- wilder., connoisseur.

by Kermit. on Dec 12, 2008 10:24 AM PST up reply actions  

Fair enough

Still awesome stuff though

HA HA HA, your Grandpa's an ASS!- Tourette's Guy (R.I.P)

by tootthekazoo on Dec 12, 2008 10:25 AM PST up reply actions  

If you don't mind me asking,

if you’re not going to dive, what will you do instead?

Man do I love midgets.

by Thingray on Dec 12, 2008 10:26 AM PST up reply actions  

I don't know yet. A friend of mine just picked up a job as a welding inspector for NASA.

But he had to move to Florida. Maybe I could do something like that for Boeing. Down economy, I’m not sure if they’ll be any openings for those jobs in a couple years when our kids start school. Learn how to cook better and be a home maker.
What would be great is to take advantage of the downturn and try to get ahold of a piece of commercial real estate, own it outright. That or try and pick up some property at auction, do some remodeling and sell or rent them at a decent price. Kind of always wanted to try either of those options.

It’s a hand lotion, not a dick lotion.- wilder., connoisseur.

by Kermit. on Dec 12, 2008 10:33 AM PST up reply actions  

Oh man you betcha, I keep waiting for interest rates to shoot up.

Put the whole idea out of sight. Kind of jumped the gun buying our house based on that. Who knew, you know?

Always thought having a little store right in the middle of a neighborhood would be really neat. You could turn it into the hub of a community if you worked at it.

It’s a hand lotion, not a dick lotion.- wilder., connoisseur.

by Kermit. on Dec 12, 2008 10:40 AM PST up reply actions  

That would be really cool.

A place where everyone meets to get coffee inthe morning, and all that stuff.

Man do I love midgets.

by Thingray on Dec 12, 2008 10:44 AM PST up reply actions  

YES! There's a little store on 20th and Ravenna, would be perfect.

Nothing close to it for competition. All other shopping is quite a hike. Has the perfect look too. Google link.
Another little spot across from Cowen Park at the west end of Ravenna Ravine, but there’s a lot of shopping/hangout/coffee spots nearby for competition.

It’s a hand lotion, not a dick lotion.- wilder., connoisseur.

by Kermit. on Dec 12, 2008 10:48 AM PST up reply actions  

There's a little "main street" area by my house surrounded by residential.

I always thought that would be a great place to open a little pub or something.

Man do I love midgets.

by Thingray on Dec 12, 2008 10:52 AM PST up reply actions  

Like the Goose on Phinney? I love those kind of places

It’s a hand lotion, not a dick lotion.- wilder., connoisseur.

by Kermit. on Dec 12, 2008 10:53 AM PST up reply actions  

I've only driven past that,

but it looks like the kind of place I’m talking about. Just a small place with maybe a pool table, big screen and a golf machine. Maybe eight bar stools, and about five tables.

Man do I love midgets.

by Thingray on Dec 12, 2008 10:55 AM PST up reply actions  

Third Place Books on 65th, Ravenna district.

There’s a pub in the basement. No pool tables, but it has great atmosphere. Nice quiet place to hang out, find some good conversations in there too. Lots of people that work at UW hang out there so you get all kinds.

It’s a hand lotion, not a dick lotion.- wilder., connoisseur.

by Kermit. on Dec 12, 2008 10:58 AM PST up reply actions  

My parents bought a house a month ago

and were thrilled that the interest rates were anything under 6. Now they’re refinancing a month into the loan.

by BrianL on Dec 12, 2008 10:47 AM PST up reply actions  

No kidding, my wife and I are talking about the same thing.

Our mortage is through my GI bill though, so there’s no prepayment penalty. Refinancing actually isn’t the best deal for us. Unless interest rates go even lower and right now who knows what’s going on.

It’s a hand lotion, not a dick lotion.- wilder., connoisseur.

by Kermit. on Dec 12, 2008 10:50 AM PST up reply actions  

I was talking with my dad about the first house my parents owned back in 1990

and was stunned to find out what the interest rate on that first loan was. Something crazy like 11%.

by BrianL on Dec 12, 2008 10:52 AM PST up reply actions  

Those were good too! I remember farmers talking 18 percent.

When I was older I couldn’t figure out why I couldn’t find a checking account with 13 percent interest. Kind of funny now.

It’s a hand lotion, not a dick lotion.- wilder., connoisseur.

by Kermit. on Dec 12, 2008 10:54 AM PST up reply actions  

Bahahaha, I don't remember this!

Was it a deleted scene?

I love how they try so hard to make Grant’s character like Ripley from the Alien series.

by Phil Hatzenbuehler on Dec 12, 2008 10:01 AM PST up reply actions  

Nope, normal scene from Jurassic Park 3

My kid loves all 3 of the movies, so I’ve seen that plenty. I crack up every time. It’s part of a nightmare he was having

HA HA HA, your Grandpa's an ASS!- Tourette's Guy (R.I.P)

by tootthekazoo on Dec 12, 2008 10:23 AM PST up reply actions  

I want

this for Christmas.

Screw you, Mariners. I'm back in football's loving arms. *edit: well, shit. This isn't going well.

by kevin_ess on Dec 12, 2008 9:59 AM PST reply actions  

He was still sleeping when I left. I'll have to give the wife a call in a bit.

My god I’m tired.

Screw you, Mariners. I'm back in football's loving arms. *edit: well, shit. This isn't going well.

by kevin_ess on Dec 12, 2008 10:05 AM PST up reply actions  

For about a week.

It started last Sunday night, then he was fine all of Tuesday. Then he was sick again at day care Wedneday and had to go home. Fine again until last night. I think we’re going to take him to the doc.

Screw you, Mariners. I'm back in football's loving arms. *edit: well, shit. This isn't going well.

by kevin_ess on Dec 12, 2008 10:10 AM PST up reply actions  

I know I'm not.

Screw you, Mariners. I'm back in football's loving arms. *edit: well, shit. This isn't going well.

by kevin_ess on Dec 12, 2008 10:45 AM PST up reply actions  

Oh, this is getting good.

Oh fuck you. Get out of work? Do what i do and piss your pantalones. Ain’t no one going to fuck with you when you piss your pants. -- kevin_ess, winebibber

by Wilder. on Dec 12, 2008 10:51 AM PST up reply actions  

Yes.

And Thingray is reading that as “the off-topic threads are the equivalent of a chat room”. Unless there is something I don’t understand about this symbol: !=

Man do I love midgets.

by Thingray on Dec 12, 2008 10:53 AM PST up reply actions  

Sorry for piling on, by the way.

I thought I was making a light-hearted joke, but it was poorly placed.

by Phil Hatzenbuehler on Dec 12, 2008 11:02 AM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, given the situation

That was a poorly timed joke. Still made me laugh though

HA HA HA, your Grandpa's an ASS!- Tourette's Guy (R.I.P)

by tootthekazoo on Dec 12, 2008 11:04 AM PST up reply actions  

You know what? It's my fault. I was asked a question and I answered it.

Let’s just leave it alone.

Screw you, Mariners. I'm back in football's loving arms. *edit: well, shit. This isn't going well.

by kevin_ess on Dec 12, 2008 10:55 AM PST up reply actions  

The LL LJ pic wasn't posted as a reply to your reply.

It was posted as a reply to the original question. Not speaking for Jeff here, but my assumption is that he means that questions/topics inherently limited to two people be handled through e-mail or something similar.

OT isn’t meant to be a free-for-all. LL policies still apply. It’s meant to be for the broad discussion of non-baseball topics.

by Matthew on Dec 12, 2008 10:58 AM PST up reply actions  

Makes sense

I was a little confused by the non-joke use of that pic myself, so this is good to know

HA HA HA, your Grandpa's an ASS!- Tourette's Guy (R.I.P)

by tootthekazoo on Dec 12, 2008 10:59 AM PST up reply actions  

How about baseball but not necessarily related to main page articles?

I love yakking about baseball, but not always exactly what is going on in your comments sections there.

It’s a hand lotion, not a dick lotion.- wilder., connoisseur.

by Kermit. on Dec 12, 2008 11:00 AM PST up reply actions  

I understand.

I merely asked because it was mentioned in yesterday’s thread that the little guy was sick. I’ll take the personal questions to email or facebook in the future.

Man do I love midgets.

by Thingray on Dec 12, 2008 11:02 AM PST up reply actions  

Jeff hates kids confirmed

HA HA HA, your Grandpa's an ASS!- Tourette's Guy (R.I.P)

by tootthekazoo on Dec 12, 2008 10:42 AM PST up reply actions  

It's hard for me to dislike a novel, but Dickens is an author I avoid like the plague.

Also hated The Scarlet Letter. I’m sure it was really something at the time, but…

Just about anything by John Steinbeck would have to make my favorite list, All the King’s Men by Robert Penn Warren is my all time favorite novel. Which I think is kind of weird, like having a BFF, but I read it about once a year.

It’s a hand lotion, not a dick lotion.- wilder., connoisseur.

by Kermit. on Dec 12, 2008 10:12 AM PST reply actions  

For me it's anything by Ayn Rand.

Screw you, Mariners. I'm back in football's loving arms. *edit: well, shit. This isn't going well.

by kevin_ess on Dec 12, 2008 10:14 AM PST up reply actions  

Holy shit it's raining hard

Driving to work in this later today is going to be a pain because of all the stupid assholes on the roads. And then I will probably walk out of my company Christmas party tonight to heavy snow or something, which is going to make driving home a real delight. And then I get to try and get back to North Seattle tomorrow morning by 8:00. Fuffin’ wonderful. Good thing I love the snow

HA HA HA, your Grandpa's an ASS!- Tourette's Guy (R.I.P)

by tootthekazoo on Dec 12, 2008 10:29 AM PST reply actions  

And I have to head to your neck of the woods (kinda) for Jeanuts' company Christmas party tonight.

That means bailing out of work as early as possible, fighting my way home to Everett, getting all dressed up, then fighting our way back down to SE Bellevue.

Fun.

Man do I love midgets.

by Thingray on Dec 12, 2008 10:31 AM PST up reply actions  

Goddamn that sounds rotten

SE Bellevue… Factoria then? Very close to my area then, and decent elevation. Let’s hope the snow holds off until you’re a good chunk of the way home, since you’ll probably see it from North Seattle onward

HA HA HA, your Grandpa's an ASS!- Tourette's Guy (R.I.P)

by tootthekazoo on Dec 12, 2008 10:41 AM PST up reply actions  

5449 156th Ave SE

Looks like it’s just east of Factoria off of I-90, even though it’s a Bellevue address still.

Man do I love midgets.

by Thingray on Dec 12, 2008 10:44 AM PST up reply actions  

Super fancy area up there

I used to use that route as a boredom shortcut while driving home when I used to work at the Bellevue Best Buy. You’re up on top of a very large hill so I’d keep an eye on the weather, just in case

HA HA HA, your Grandpa's an ASS!- Tourette's Guy (R.I.P)

by tootthekazoo on Dec 12, 2008 10:48 AM PST up reply actions  

I'm watching closely. It's a high end development that her company manages.

They rented their “clubhouse” for the Christmas party. Since it’s called “The Summit” I figured it would be the first place to get snow.

Thank God we have the “makes your car safe” button (otherwise known as traction/stability control) in the Veracruz! LOL!

Man do I love midgets.

by Thingray on Dec 12, 2008 10:50 AM PST up reply actions  

Look at the Google Terrain map and you'll see

Linky

HA HA HA, your Grandpa's an ASS!- Tourette's Guy (R.I.P)

by tootthekazoo on Dec 12, 2008 10:52 AM PST up reply actions  

Yeah crap.

That’s up there isn’t it…. Well maybe that can be an excuse not to stay too late.

Man do I love midgets.

by Thingray on Dec 12, 2008 11:01 AM PST up reply actions  

I'd definitely use it as an excuse

Because if it starts snowing there, you can be almost positive that it’ll be snowing up your way

HA HA HA, your Grandpa's an ASS!- Tourette's Guy (R.I.P)

by tootthekazoo on Dec 12, 2008 11:05 AM PST up reply actions  

If it doesn't snow until we get there, I'm not too worried (unless it REALLY comes down).

I just don’t want to be fighting “snow traffic” all the way home to Everett, then all the way back to Bellevue.

Man do I love midgets.

by Thingray on Dec 12, 2008 11:17 AM PST up reply actions  

Hey, Toot, I got your message about L4D last night.

We’ll definitely have to play sometime soon. I have 8 or so friends on Xbox who are almost always down for some zombie killin’.

by Phil Hatzenbuehler on Dec 12, 2008 10:35 AM PST up reply actions  

Excellent

I’m down

HA HA HA, your Grandpa's an ASS!- Tourette's Guy (R.I.P)

by tootthekazoo on Dec 12, 2008 10:49 AM PST up reply actions  

OK, another HDTV question

Given that all the details (1080P, 42 inch etc.) are equal, which is the better choice plasma or LCD?

by coolguyrob on Dec 12, 2008 10:34 AM PST reply actions  

LCD.

The technology has really caught up to plasma. Looks just about as good and will last longer.

by BrianL on Dec 12, 2008 10:35 AM PST up reply actions  

Depends on what you'll use it for.

If you watch sports or play video games, go LCD. The static graphics of those two things will murder a plasma.

by Phil Hatzenbuehler on Dec 12, 2008 10:36 AM PST up reply actions  

Sports, video games and blue ray movies

will be the main uses. I’m not a huge tv watcher guy though, so plasma would last longer with me. I go weeks without even turning it on. I’ve had my current TV for 10 years. Figure that it’s finally time to upgrade.

by coolguyrob on Dec 12, 2008 10:39 AM PST up reply actions  

The difference in picture quality between an LCD and a plasma used to be much more pronounced.

At this point the primary drawbacks of an LCD are that they don’t render deep blacks as well and are a touch worse when it comes to motion tracking (although if you get a 120Hz LCD the difference becomes pretty negligible).

I’m somewhat paranoid when it comes to image burn-in, so I tend to avoid recommending plasma products.

by BrianL on Dec 12, 2008 10:45 AM PST up reply actions  

Cool

thanks for the advice (you too Phil). I’m restrcited to shopping at the PX so my options are severely limted. It might just come down to what they actually have in stock.

by coolguyrob on Dec 12, 2008 10:48 AM PST up reply actions  

Altitude is a big factor when considering plasmas as well.

The performance level is better at sea level than up in the mountains (unless you have it calibrated).

Oh fuck you. Get out of work? Do what i do and piss your pantalones. Ain’t no one going to fuck with you when you piss your pants. -- kevin_ess, winebibber

by Wilder. on Dec 12, 2008 10:49 AM PST up reply actions  

If you go with plasma, make sure you ask the dealer about the altitude calibration.

It’s not the picture that’s the problem, it’s the noise that it generates.

Oh fuck you. Get out of work? Do what i do and piss your pantalones. Ain’t no one going to fuck with you when you piss your pants. -- kevin_ess, winebibber

by Wilder. on Dec 12, 2008 10:53 AM PST up reply actions  

Ha!

The dealer will likely be some 17 year old Colonel’s kid. I doubt he’ll know what I’m talking about.

by coolguyrob on Dec 12, 2008 10:55 AM PST up reply actions  

I read this as "attitude"

and I thought you were looking at the TV’s make up and veteran grit. TV’s need leadership, goddammit, and they need to know how to get the bunt down.

by Phil Hatzenbuehler on Dec 12, 2008 10:55 AM PST up reply actions  

I just had to think about what other textbooks I had in HS.

I sort of had Spanish textbooks but we never used them. I had math texts, but didn’t use those. What else is there?

by Matthew on Dec 12, 2008 10:51 AM PST up reply actions  

Ahhh Spanish Class. . . With Senorita Oeste.

22 year old smoking hot Mexican student teacher. I was a senior and in my desk cluster it was me and three Sophomore girls.

Best. Class. Ever.

Fear the NPE

by thewyrm on Dec 12, 2008 10:53 AM PST up reply actions  

History, physics, chemistry...

Sometimes you’d have an MLA textbook for English.

by BrianL on Dec 12, 2008 10:53 AM PST up reply actions  

I remember my geography textbook was about 30 pounds.

And you had to pay like $110.00 if you lost or damaged it.

Man do I love midgets.

by Thingray on Dec 12, 2008 11:03 AM PST up reply actions  

It would be if not for all the map making.

It’s time consuming, and they’re hard to transport when you walk or bike to school.

Man do I love midgets.

by Thingray on Dec 12, 2008 11:18 AM PST up reply actions  

Geography can really be an extensive subject depending on the department.

Beyond maps, it can include geological features and even how social issues are shaped by the geography, and much more.

by Matthew on Dec 12, 2008 11:22 AM PST up reply actions  

I love subjects like that.

Shame I’ve locked myself into an IT management path.

by BrianL on Dec 12, 2008 11:23 AM PST up reply actions  

Our teacher was a jerk.

If your map wasn’t an EXACT duplicate of his “master map”, then you failed.

Man do I love midgets.

by Thingray on Dec 12, 2008 11:34 AM PST up reply actions  

Pretty much.

If you didn’t “cheat”, you didn’t pass.

Man do I love midgets.

by Thingray on Dec 12, 2008 11:41 AM PST up reply actions  

There are some tougher Geography, some of the more detailed mapping courses require a lot of work.

But, my Geology Profs. always referred to Geography Profs. as want to be scientists who could not do math.

I am no longer in Spokane, but I think I'll keep the name anyway.

by InSpokane on Dec 12, 2008 11:22 AM PST up reply actions  

Nah

Geologist have to cover the full gamut. I’s say a step above a Lit. Major.

I am no longer in Spokane, but I think I'll keep the name anyway.

by InSpokane on Dec 12, 2008 11:26 AM PST up reply actions  

The year I got to high school

my school decided to both remove student lockers and not issue a home and school set of textbooks. We all got one copy to carry everywhere at all times.

by BrianL on Dec 12, 2008 11:04 AM PST up reply actions  

How come high school is so constantly portrayed in TV

and college in movies? Is it because of the more adult themes in college? I would think Showtime or HBO could swoop in there and come up with a pretty good show.

by Matthew on Dec 12, 2008 11:12 AM PST up reply actions  

That show was hilarious

Jeff's guide to not looking stupid:
+/- is an absolutely terrible stat, so don't use it, and don't give up on young players before they turn 24.
54!

by joof on Dec 12, 2008 11:33 AM PST up reply actions  

TV is consumed more by high school students.

In college they find students watch much less TV but tend to go to movies more often.

by Sec 108 on Dec 12, 2008 11:29 AM PST up reply actions  

My school took a more novel approach.

Because of overcrowding, we were only allowed to go to our lockers before school, at lunch, and after school. This meant that you had to carry at least three classes worth of books around with you at any given time.

It sucked ass.

by Phil Hatzenbuehler on Dec 12, 2008 11:08 AM PST up reply actions  

Oh I know.

I wasn’t trying to get into a pissing contest, just pointing out how ridiculous schools can be.

by Phil Hatzenbuehler on Dec 12, 2008 11:10 AM PST up reply actions  

I couldn't believe how blissfully unaware administration was.

My backpack was bulging at the seams. I think at the peak it weighed about 40 pounds.

by BrianL on Dec 12, 2008 11:12 AM PST up reply actions  

and I wish I were joking

Determined, Jonesing Commentor | Proud proprietor of Washingtonhighways.org

by Corco on Dec 12, 2008 11:36 AM PST up reply actions  

Kids liked to go hunting after school

The school board tried to get a no-gun policy in place right after Columbine but there was too much parental opposition- parents felt two things:

1) Kids like to go hunting after school, so they should be able to bring their guns
2) As long as the guns are locked up on the gun rack or in lockers, who cares
3) We don’t want to leave all the guns stashed in the school office vault where if someone left the door open the guns would be fully accessible

Determined, Jonesing Commentor | Proud proprietor of Washingtonhighways.org

by Corco on Dec 12, 2008 11:41 AM PST up reply actions  

No I meant that every book that was issued that wasnt a history textbook blew.

And the text books I was given also included English, Math, Assorted Sciences, French, PE(?) and the occasion one for electives

by Robert on Dec 12, 2008 11:08 AM PST up reply actions  

Worst book I was forced to read:

My Antonia.

The rest were pretty awesome. My faves, some of which have been mentioned already:

Johnny Got His Gun
Gatsby
Catcher in the Rye
Lord of the Flies
To Kill a Mockingbird
Farenheit 451 (Side note: We usually watched a movie with a similar theme to go along with whatever book we were reading, and since my teacher said the Fahrenheit 451 movie sucked, we instead watched Brazil, which was a total mindfuck to a kid who mostly watched Bruce Willis movies at that age.)

I never had to read 1984, but I think it’s probably my favorite of the classics.

by Teej on Dec 12, 2008 11:40 AM PST reply actions  

The F451 movie

is among the worst things ever created.

by Matthew on Dec 12, 2008 11:43 AM PST up reply actions  

I remember my Shakesphere prof

MST3King horrible BBC Shakesphere productions. Good times.

by JI on Dec 12, 2008 11:48 AM PST up reply actions  

I should thank my teacher then.

He was pretty young and had good taste, so I trusted him when he said it was awful.

by Teej on Dec 12, 2008 11:51 AM PST up reply actions  

We watched that in my sophmore English class.

Before watching it the teacher flat out said “This is one of the worst pieces of cinematic turd you’ll ever have to endure. Enjoy.”

by Goose on Dec 12, 2008 8:47 PM PST up reply actions  

Huh. Steve Earle just played on my LaunchCast and I have no idea why.

My high rating of Kasey Chambers? My somewhat high rating of Ryan Adams?

by Phil Hatzenbuehler on Dec 12, 2008 11:47 AM PST reply actions  

I love Steve Earle.

Screw you, Mariners. I'm back in football's loving arms. *edit: well, shit. This isn't going well.

by kevin_ess on Dec 12, 2008 11:54 AM PST up reply actions  

I bet it was Ryan Adams.

I am no longer in Spokane, but I think I'll keep the name anyway.

by InSpokane on Dec 12, 2008 11:54 AM PST up reply actions  

Ryan Adams? My guess, but now I'm thinking he may have done some writing with Kasey Chambers?

Or for, I can’t remember. Do you know how LauchCast works? For all I know they link stuff if backing musicians for Ryan Adams played with Steve Earl. Kind of a 6 Degrees of Bacon or something.

It’s a hand lotion, not a dick lotion.- wilder., connoisseur.

by Kermit. on Dec 12, 2008 11:55 AM PST up reply actions  

No no no no no.

They put on one of the most embarrassing live shows I’ve ever seen at Sasquatch this year.

by Phil Hatzenbuehler on Dec 12, 2008 11:50 AM PST up reply actions  

The opened with a 15 minute free for all "song" which was essentially the drummer (who legitimately kicked ass)

thrashing his set, the guitarist attempting to (and succeeding in) making the most grating noises known to man, and the lead singer going on a rampage. He picked up the drummer’s hi-hat and chucked it into the crowd, stand and all. Then goes to the left side of the stage and tries to wrench a very expensive video camera from the camera man’s hands. The camera man doesn’t let go, and the lead singer is still tugging at it. The guitarist has to come over and pull the lead singer away. The singer then proceeds to climb the full stack amps and belly flops off of them. The then slither’s around on his belly for a while before kicking into a real song.

by Phil Hatzenbuehler on Dec 12, 2008 11:56 AM PST up reply actions  

So thanks a lot.

I’ve never read that comic before, and now I’m reading the whole archive. I’m up to #117.

the other angels fan

by Eyebrows on Dec 12, 2008 1:11 PM PST up reply actions  

It joined my list of webcomics about 2 months ago.

Speaking of which, I relate way too much to today’s XKCD.

by Matthew on Dec 12, 2008 1:16 PM PST up reply actions  

One of my best friends is an experimental musician.

I put on a brave face because I love her and don’t want to hurt her feelings, but this is how I feel anytime I hear her stuff.

Fear the NPE

by thewyrm on Dec 12, 2008 2:02 PM PST up reply actions  

...

Screw you, Mariners. I'm back in football's loving arms. *edit: well, shit. This isn't going well.

by kevin_ess on Dec 12, 2008 12:04 PM PST reply actions  

So, so true

HA HA HA, your Grandpa's an ASS!- Tourette's Guy (R.I.P)

by tootthekazoo on Dec 12, 2008 12:07 PM PST up reply actions  

Absolute shithole.

I hate that place. I’m convinced that it’s run by the mob. There are more employees than customers, yet they don’t really do anything. They’re not that helpful, and they don’t seem to specialize in what they’re selling. They’re all in a cage making phone calls. And everything is so . . . impersonal. It’s like every one who works there is related to the boss. I just get a weird feeling when I’m there. And what’s with the popcorn machines and shit? I wouldn’t be surprised if next time I walked in there was a ferris wheel inside.

Maybe that’s just my local Fry’s.

by Teej on Dec 12, 2008 12:17 PM PST up reply actions  

No, that sounds like what I imagine all of them to be like

If they didn’t carry pretty much everything then I would never even go there

HA HA HA, your Grandpa's an ASS!- Tourette's Guy (R.I.P)

by tootthekazoo on Dec 12, 2008 12:19 PM PST up reply actions  

It's nice to have around.

And they do have some good deals. But I only go if they’re doing something ridiculous, like selling brand-new 360 games for $30 the week they come out (GRAW 2!), or something like that.

by Teej on Dec 12, 2008 12:20 PM PST up reply actions  

I've never been to a Fry's...

Doesn’t sound like I’m missing much. I actually like the electronics store by my house (at Everett Mall) that I can’t think of the name of for some stupid reason).

Man do I love midgets.

by Thingray on Dec 12, 2008 12:26 PM PST up reply actions  

I just feel like I'm in a maze/circus.

Right when you walk in, you walk perpendicularly through lines of people waiting to return stuff. So you’re already confused. (Did I come in the right door?) And once you find what you’re looking for (Oh, headphones are over by the refrigerators. Of course.), then you buy your ticket for Willy Wonka’s Line Ride Experience, where you see more candy than any candy store keeps in stock. Then the Line Captain points you to the nearest flashing light/siren where you can make your purchase.

It’s not all bad. It’s just so unlike any other store I’ve ever seen. I’m just fascinated by it. But mostly I try to stay away.

by Teej on Dec 12, 2008 12:37 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, if you're just there to browse you're in for a world of hurt.

I go there because I need to restock office gear.

“I need 15 USB keyboards, 10 USB mice, two boxes of category 5 cable, a box of biscuit jacks, and a punch tool.”

by BrianL on Dec 12, 2008 12:40 PM PST up reply actions  

The blue one.

Yeah, Best Buy. It’s not anything special, but I’ve gotten fair deals there, and decent service.

Man do I love midgets.

by Thingray on Dec 12, 2008 12:35 PM PST up reply actions  

Best Buy is more of a casual electronics shopper's store.

Fry’s is geared a bit more towards people in the field. It’s really the only place I can pick up networking tools, cabling, and other miscellaneous IT stuff in bulk and on the cheap.

by BrianL on Dec 12, 2008 12:37 PM PST up reply actions  

Casual electronics shopper, that's me.

Probably why I am okay with the place.

Man do I love midgets.

by Thingray on Dec 12, 2008 12:39 PM PST up reply actions  

Ouch.

Man do I love midgets.

by Thingray on Dec 12, 2008 12:46 PM PST up reply actions  

Chicks dig long haired accountants too.

At least the chick that matters does.

Man do I love midgets.

by Thingray on Dec 12, 2008 12:52 PM PST up reply actions  

But chicks dig guys with jobs.

Doesn’t really matter what you do usually.

Man do I love midgets.

by Thingray on Dec 12, 2008 12:56 PM PST up reply actions  

Sewage treatment plant employee?

Screw you, Mariners. I'm back in football's loving arms. *edit: well, shit. This isn't going well.

by kevin_ess on Dec 12, 2008 1:05 PM PST up reply actions  

Not like "down to my ass" long,

But it reaches my chin in front, and is about shoulder length in the back.

Man do I love midgets.

by Thingray on Dec 12, 2008 2:10 PM PST up reply actions  

That's me.

Wanna be hippie trying to fit in with the regular working world.

Man do I love midgets.

by Thingray on Dec 12, 2008 2:18 PM PST up reply actions  

Correct

HA HA HA, your Grandpa's an ASS!- Tourette's Guy (R.I.P)

by tootthekazoo on Dec 12, 2008 12:31 PM PST up reply actions  

Thread is dead. Yep! It's 1:30!

Screw you, Mariners. I'm back in football's loving arms. *edit: well, shit. This isn't going well.

by kevin_ess on Dec 12, 2008 1:32 PM PST reply actions  

How about those Mariners?

Mariners ----> Brewers.

by .Taylor on Dec 12, 2008 1:33 PM PST up reply actions  

The who now?

Screw you, Mariners. I'm back in football's loving arms. *edit: well, shit. This isn't going well.

by kevin_ess on Dec 12, 2008 1:35 PM PST up reply actions  

Sounds good.

What we having?

Oh fuck you. Get out of work? Do what i do and piss your pantalones. Ain’t no one going to fuck with you when you piss your pants. -- kevin_ess, winebibber

by Wilder. on Dec 12, 2008 1:44 PM PST up reply actions  

Umm...

Cup O Soup, a Shasta Cola, and a smoke? Hell, I might even skip the Cup O Soup.

Man do I love midgets.

by Thingray on Dec 12, 2008 1:45 PM PST up reply actions  

.

Awesome.

Screw you, Mariners. I'm back in football's loving arms. *edit: well, shit. This isn't going well.

by kevin_ess on Dec 12, 2008 1:48 PM PST reply actions  

Yeah, bye bye now. I'll just be reliving my childhood for... awhile.

It’s a hand lotion, not a dick lotion.- wilder., connoisseur.

by Kermit. on Dec 12, 2008 1:51 PM PST up reply actions  

This is amazing.

Oh fuck you. Get out of work? Do what i do and piss your pantalones. Ain’t no one going to fuck with you when you piss your pants. -- kevin_ess, winebibber

by Wilder. on Dec 12, 2008 1:53 PM PST up reply actions  

One of the epic two-player games ever.

Oh fuck you. Get out of work? Do what i do and piss your pantalones. Ain’t no one going to fuck with you when you piss your pants. -- kevin_ess, winebibber

by Wilder. on Dec 12, 2008 1:55 PM PST up reply actions  

Doo doo doo do doo doo doo do. . .

Da doo doo, doo doo doo do; repeat infinitely.

Fear the NPE

by thewyrm on Dec 12, 2008 2:59 PM PST up reply actions  

Or this. I wasted so many days playing this in Jr. High...

Link

Screw you, Mariners. I'm back in football's loving arms. *edit: well, shit. This isn't going well.

by kevin_ess on Dec 12, 2008 3:04 PM PST up reply actions  

I like the SNES version

I loved all the special moves that could be done. I created a custom team of the Mariners in it a couple years ago and gave everybody a special power similar to what they really had

HA HA HA, your Grandpa's an ASS!- Tourette's Guy (R.I.P)

by tootthekazoo on Dec 12, 2008 3:52 PM PST up reply actions  

Still play it often on my emulator

HA HA HA, your Grandpa's an ASS!- Tourette's Guy (R.I.P)

by tootthekazoo on Dec 12, 2008 3:51 PM PST up reply actions  

Found a Simon emulator online.

http://www.neave.com/games/simon/
The Asteroids game isn’t half bad either.

It’s a hand lotion, not a dick lotion.- wilder., connoisseur.

by Kermit. on Dec 12, 2008 7:21 PM PST up reply actions  

I had a major Oscar Wilde period that lasted about 7 years.

I have crates full of first editions and stuff in the basement. So yes, I’ll agree with you on Dorian Gray.

by royalcurve on Dec 12, 2008 1:57 PM PST up reply actions  

Wow, you are truly the many layered person.

Not that everybody isn’t, but now and then you drop a piece of info that I just never expected. Like you’re channeling Phoebe on Friends. Ever shot anybody?

It’s a hand lotion, not a dick lotion.- wilder., connoisseur.

by Kermit. on Dec 12, 2008 2:05 PM PST up reply actions  

Results of the Dave Cameron scholarship fund are in.

Didn’t quite make 10k, but it got close.

$8,826.76

by BrianL on Dec 12, 2008 2:04 PM PST reply actions  

Take that, DKos!

Mariners ----> Brewers.

by .Taylor on Dec 12, 2008 2:06 PM PST up reply actions  

That's just the time limit on the paypal badgie thing isn't it?

Bet if it hadn’t come down right during the holidays he would have cleaned up.

It’s a hand lotion, not a dick lotion.- wilder., connoisseur.

by Kermit. on Dec 12, 2008 2:06 PM PST up reply actions  

I hope my $2000 helped.

Oh, did I forget the decimal point in there?

Oh fuck you. Get out of work? Do what i do and piss your pantalones. Ain’t no one going to fuck with you when you piss your pants. -- kevin_ess, winebibber

by Wilder. on Dec 12, 2008 2:10 PM PST up reply actions  

Hot damn!

Oh fuck you. Get out of work? Do what i do and piss your pantalones. Ain’t no one going to fuck with you when you piss your pants. -- kevin_ess, winebibber

by Wilder. on Dec 12, 2008 2:12 PM PST up reply actions  

It is the x-mas season, after all.

It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray

by Faux on Dec 12, 2008 2:15 PM PST up reply actions  

The first hour or so the post was up there wasn't pledgie yet

So the initial rush (over $500 since Derek said he had to match the $500 within 10 minutes) didn’t even have pledgie

Determined, Jonesing Commentor | Proud proprietor of Washingtonhighways.org

by Corco on Dec 12, 2008 9:06 PM PST up reply actions  

According to Dave

the Scholarship Board that fucked up the contest also gave him a $2,000 scholarship as an apology for how screwed up things went. Dave now has well over $11,000.

by BrianL on Dec 12, 2008 3:37 PM PST up reply actions  

Good for them.

I wonder if they divided the grand prize.

Oh fuck you. Get out of work? Do what i do and piss your pantalones. Ain’t no one going to fuck with you when you piss your pants. -- kevin_ess, winebibber

by Wilder. on Dec 12, 2008 3:39 PM PST up reply actions  

That is very cool.

See? There is some fairness in the world.

Man do I love midgets.

by Thingray on Dec 12, 2008 3:41 PM PST up reply actions  

That's great news

Like, it actually bettered my mood for the day

HA HA HA, your Grandpa's an ASS!- Tourette's Guy (R.I.P)

by tootthekazoo on Dec 12, 2008 3:55 PM PST up reply actions  

The Walter Jones thing?

Oh fuck you. Get out of work? Do what i do and piss your pantalones. Ain’t no one going to fuck with you when you piss your pants. -- kevin_ess, winebibber

by Wilder. on Dec 12, 2008 2:33 PM PST up reply actions  

Yup.

I’m freaking depressed over this. I can’t imagine how Robert would take it.

by BrianL on Dec 12, 2008 2:34 PM PST up reply actions  

Why?

The season is over. This is like Beltre having his surgery with a month left in the season.

Oh fuck you. Get out of work? Do what i do and piss your pantalones. Ain’t no one going to fuck with you when you piss your pants. -- kevin_ess, winebibber

by Wilder. on Dec 12, 2008 2:35 PM PST up reply actions  

It's microfracture knee surgery.

Walter’s career is as good as over.

by BrianL on Dec 12, 2008 2:35 PM PST up reply actions  

They say 12 weeks to recover.

Microfracture has gotten better, although it’s never good for a player at his age to have knee surgery.

Man do I love midgets.

by Thingray on Dec 12, 2008 2:37 PM PST up reply actions  

It's arthoscopic, not microfracture.
A team spokesman Friday morning confirmed the eight-time Pro Bowl blocker had arthroscopic knee surgery Thursday.

Per ESPN

Oh fuck you. Get out of work? Do what i do and piss your pantalones. Ain’t no one going to fuck with you when you piss your pants. -- kevin_ess, winebibber

by Wilder. on Dec 12, 2008 2:39 PM PST up reply actions  

That's a story that went out earlier today.

O’Neill and Hughes just reported that it’s microfracture.

by BrianL on Dec 12, 2008 2:41 PM PST up reply actions  

If it's arthro, that's even better.

No big deal, he had his knee scoped.

Man do I love midgets.

by Thingray on Dec 12, 2008 2:43 PM PST up reply actions  

If the Times and TNT are to be believed

ESPN and the AP have it wrong. Holmgren apparently told reporters that it was microfracture surgery.

by BrianL on Dec 12, 2008 2:44 PM PST up reply actions  

Either way.

I’m not wishing my way towards bad news, I’ll wait for it to come to me.

They say 12 weeks, I say okay.

Man do I love midgets.

by Thingray on Dec 12, 2008 2:45 PM PST up reply actions  

Even if it's twelve weeks, this is terrible news for Walter.

John summed it up over at FG:

If we can stop being Seahawks fans for a second, consider the severity of this procedure, and given his age and his inability to take strong pain relief, the implications of further play to Walter Jones’ life. Microfracture knee surgery does not heal bone cartilage, but creates a substitute for it. My voice doesn’t mean a damn, but I sincerely hope Jones considers retirement.

by BrianL on Dec 12, 2008 3:52 PM PST up reply actions  

This is a good point.

I want him to do whatever is best for him, just like Mack Striong did.

Man do I love midgets.

by Thingray on Dec 12, 2008 3:55 PM PST up reply actions  

The more I read about this procedure

and the more I consider his condition (age, inability to take pain killers) I just have to think that the best thing for him to do is retire and not put himself at risk. It’s a damn shame, but he’s got to take care of himself and his family.

by BrianL on Dec 12, 2008 3:57 PM PST up reply actions  

He's already financially set for life,

so there is no need for him to punish his body anymore if he doesn’t want to.

Man do I love midgets.

by Thingray on Dec 12, 2008 3:59 PM PST up reply actions  

At least your team was just bad this year.

My Saints have been teasing me by being almost competitive all season.

Fear the NPE

by thewyrm on Dec 12, 2008 3:47 PM PST up reply actions  

OH LUCKY ME

I’VE BEEN LOOKING AT THIS THE WRONG WAY. THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO REEVALUATE MY LIFE. YOUR WISDOM IS MOST WONDERFUL

by Robert on Dec 12, 2008 5:47 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Hey I was being serious.

I would rather my team be terrible than almost good.

Fear the NPE

by thewyrm on Dec 12, 2008 6:42 PM PST up reply actions  

Saint Failure isn't really written about that much.

But a good, if not hapless saint he is.

Screw you, Mariners. I'm back in football's loving arms. *edit: well, shit. This isn't going well.

by kevin_ess on Dec 12, 2008 9:26 PM PST up reply actions  

God damn.

Mariners ----> Brewers.

by .Taylor on Dec 12, 2008 5:03 PM PST up reply actions  

Looks like his career is done, actually.

Microfracture surgery is no small thing for a 300+ lb lineman who is 34 years old.

by Phil Hatzenbuehler on Dec 12, 2008 2:38 PM PST up reply actions  

Well nobody is saying that yet.

So until I hear it from him, the team or his doctor, I’ll have faith in medical science.

Besides, all good things come to an end eventually.

Man do I love midgets.

by Thingray on Dec 12, 2008 2:39 PM PST up reply actions  

We were already boned,

they left the money on the table and everything.

Man do I love midgets.

by Thingray on Dec 12, 2008 2:37 PM PST up reply actions  

This is going to get ugly...

Screw you, Mariners. I'm back in football's loving arms. *edit: well, shit. This isn't going well.

by kevin_ess on Dec 12, 2008 2:42 PM PST up reply actions  

Aww damn!

Screw you, Mariners. I'm back in football's loving arms. *edit: well, shit. This isn't going well.

by kevin_ess on Dec 12, 2008 2:43 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah. Rejoind us.

Screw you, Mariners. I'm back in football's loving arms. *edit: well, shit. This isn't going well.

by kevin_ess on Dec 12, 2008 2:47 PM PST up reply actions  

That takes guts.

Mariners ----> Brewers.

by .Taylor on Dec 12, 2008 5:05 PM PST up reply actions  

So, Weezer's "Across the Sea"-

Must achingly beautiful love song of the ’90s, really creepy ode to borderline pedophilic lust, or both?

by Aaron Campeau on Dec 12, 2008 2:57 PM PST reply actions  

Question:

I rarely see the word “infinite” misspelled, yet I see the word “definite” or “definitely” misspelled ALL THE TIME. Why is that?

by Phil Hatzenbuehler on Dec 12, 2008 3:09 PM PST reply actions  

I don't know,

but I screw up “definitely” and “believe” all the time. I know how to spell them, but for some reason I can’t type them.

Man do I love midgets.

by Thingray on Dec 12, 2008 3:11 PM PST up reply actions  

And striped shirt dude!

Just kidding, I know people are walking all over the place when you’re bowling.

Man do I love midgets.

by Thingray on Dec 12, 2008 3:29 PM PST up reply actions  

She looked like she was making an effort at least.

Nice shots. You have a similar hook to mine, but I think I might start out a board or three left of you. Plus your form is better than mine, I look like I’m flinging a turd down a hill or something.

Man do I love midgets.

by Thingray on Dec 12, 2008 3:32 PM PST up reply actions  

Wow, you're good.

Oh fuck you. Get out of work? Do what i do and piss your pantalones. Ain’t no one going to fuck with you when you piss your pants. -- kevin_ess, winebibber

by Wilder. on Dec 12, 2008 3:31 PM PST up reply actions  

Pshhst...

Anyone can throw strikes. Strikes for show, spares for dough!

Just kidding, he is a very good bowler from what I’ve seen and heard.

Man do I love midgets.

by Thingray on Dec 12, 2008 3:33 PM PST up reply actions  

I can't do the spinning thing very well.

And my form is horrible. I just chuck it as hard as I can down the middle and hope for a grenade to explode at the end.

Oh fuck you. Get out of work? Do what i do and piss your pantalones. Ain’t no one going to fuck with you when you piss your pants. -- kevin_ess, winebibber

by Wilder. on Dec 12, 2008 3:34 PM PST up reply actions  

A friend of mine bowled a 250 using this approach.

He hit like 7 strikes in a row.

Oh fuck you. Get out of work? Do what i do and piss your pantalones. Ain’t no one going to fuck with you when you piss your pants. -- kevin_ess, winebibber

by Wilder. on Dec 12, 2008 3:37 PM PST up reply actions  

A kid in my junior league way back shot a 299 with a house ball and that approach

He finished the day with a 550 series

HA HA HA, your Grandpa's an ASS!- Tourette's Guy (R.I.P)

by tootthekazoo on Dec 12, 2008 4:03 PM PST up reply actions  

He was a laughing stock for a long time

And I may even be generous with the 550 series part. This kid had a 115 average for god’s sake. I’ve never done better than 279 (5 sanctioned, countless otherwise) but I still felt ok making fun of that. I mean, every dog has his day, but he put up more than half of his series in 1 game. That sucks, and shows a total outlier and not any signs of skill (not that he could have been convinced otherwise)

HA HA HA, your Grandpa's an ASS!- Tourette's Guy (R.I.P)

by tootthekazoo on Dec 12, 2008 4:14 PM PST up reply actions  

Steroids.

Oh fuck you. Get out of work? Do what i do and piss your pantalones. Ain’t no one going to fuck with you when you piss your pants. -- kevin_ess, winebibber

by Wilder. on Dec 12, 2008 4:07 PM PST up reply actions  

They're all the same, right?

:-/

Oh fuck you. Get out of work? Do what i do and piss your pantalones. Ain’t no one going to fuck with you when you piss your pants. -- kevin_ess, winebibber

by Wilder. on Dec 12, 2008 4:20 PM PST up reply actions  

I still use that method with a house ball

except I move my feet over to the right, aligned with the 2nd arrow or so, and then angle it in. It’s still a straight shot without hook, but at least that way it has some entry angle.

by Two Rs and Two Ls on Dec 12, 2008 3:37 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm so used to my own bowling ball, I don't know if I could even handle a house ball anymore.

I suppose I’d take the same appraoch as you do, because I just don’t generate enough revs to hook a house ball.

Man do I love midgets.

by Thingray on Dec 12, 2008 3:39 PM PST up reply actions  

I spent so long messing around bowling with house balls and no bowling shoes while an employee at hillcrest

shot many, many 200 games like that. It’s all about hitting the right spot

HA HA HA, your Grandpa's an ASS!- Tourette's Guy (R.I.P)

by tootthekazoo on Dec 12, 2008 4:04 PM PST up reply actions  

That's tough to do.

I think my top house-ball game was a 197 or something… but the house ball was an old AMF Angle that didn’t quite fit me.

by Two Rs and Two Ls on Dec 12, 2008 4:04 PM PST up reply actions  

I had a bet with a coworker who also bowled often

50 bucks, street shoes, best 3 game with a house ball. He shot ~520 or so, and I put up a low 6-something. I couldn’t miss, and I was using a 10 pound ball because it was easier to control. Again, though, I worked at Hillcrest for 4 years and was able to bowl whenever I wanted. Lot of time wasted bowling like that

HA HA HA, your Grandpa's an ASS!- Tourette's Guy (R.I.P)

by tootthekazoo on Dec 12, 2008 4:17 PM PST up reply actions  

Did you get the bowling free?

They charged me about $1.50/game or something up at AMF Imperial when I worked there.

by Two Rs and Two Ls on Dec 12, 2008 4:18 PM PST up reply actions  

What a ripoff

It was always free, and depending on who’s working the desk at night I can usually pick up a few games for free even these days

HA HA HA, your Grandpa's an ASS!- Tourette's Guy (R.I.P)

by tootthekazoo on Dec 12, 2008 4:19 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm ambivalent on strikes for show spares for dough :-P

Spares will keep the bad games out of the way. If you can convert spares, all it takes is one game with a bunch of strikes and your average is nice. But if you can’t hit the strikes, you’re probably topping out around 170-180.

by Two Rs and Two Ls on Dec 12, 2008 3:36 PM PST up reply actions  

You absolutely need the strikes to have big games and high averages.

But if it’s strike, open, strike, open, open, strike, strike… You’re pretty screwed as well.

Man do I love midgets.

by Thingray on Dec 12, 2008 3:37 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, strike-open-strike-open doesn't do you a damn bit worth of good.

I did some number crunching this summer that was interesting (I keep bowling data around on myself):

Game Score = 164 + (strikes – opens) * 9

the numbers are a little rough there, but you get the idea.

by Two Rs and Two Ls on Dec 12, 2008 3:43 PM PST up reply actions  

Consistency is SO very important.

My biggest struggle is making little adjustments and corrections over the course of the night.

Man do I love midgets.

by Thingray on Dec 12, 2008 3:46 PM PST up reply actions  

You notice I didn't put the video in where I left the 2-4-5-8 (aka the bucket).

On the other hand, I only took video on this lane out of laziness, and I was slamming the right lane pretty hard last night.

by Two Rs and Two Ls on Dec 12, 2008 3:35 PM PST up reply actions  

Your movie, you get to edit it.

I’d edit out my bad shots too!

Man do I love midgets.

by Thingray on Dec 12, 2008 3:40 PM PST up reply actions  

God work is slow today

Traffic is already backed up on Aurora. Thank god we’re closing at 6 so I can go enjoy free food and booze for a while, and get some kind of cool gift from work.

HA HA HA, your Grandpa's an ASS!- Tourette's Guy (R.I.P)

by tootthekazoo on Dec 12, 2008 3:47 PM PST reply actions  

God work? Holy shit! I thought you were a car salesman!

Screw you, Mariners. I'm back in football's loving arms. *edit: well, shit. This isn't going well.

by kevin_ess on Dec 12, 2008 3:48 PM PST up reply actions  

That's just a cover

I’m a busy man

HA HA HA, your Grandpa's an ASS!- Tourette's Guy (R.I.P)

by tootthekazoo on Dec 12, 2008 3:50 PM PST up reply actions  

I heard there was a power outage down by Central Market,

that might be part of it (besides the generally crappy weather).

Man do I love midgets.

by Thingray on Dec 12, 2008 3:50 PM PST up reply actions  

That would do it, I suppose

I wouldn’t be surprised if it does drop in the area. It’s really blowing right now

HA HA HA, your Grandpa's an ASS!- Tourette's Guy (R.I.P)

by tootthekazoo on Dec 12, 2008 3:54 PM PST up reply actions  

Yesterday morning before I left for work I got to see an accident on the viaduct heading north.

Closed down to 1 lane around 9am, it was at a standstill for as far as I can see. I chuckled and proceeded on my 5 minute commute.

by Matthew on Dec 12, 2008 3:59 PM PST up reply actions  

Wow that sucks

I’m glad I had the day off then

HA HA HA, your Grandpa's an ASS!- Tourette's Guy (R.I.P)

by tootthekazoo on Dec 12, 2008 4:05 PM PST up reply actions  

Y'all have a nice weekend,

I’m off on my commute home and then to Bellevue. See ya!

Man do I love midgets.

by Thingray on Dec 12, 2008 4:00 PM PST reply actions  

Word. Have fun!

Screw you, Mariners. I'm back in football's loving arms. *edit: well, shit. This isn't going well.

by kevin_ess on Dec 12, 2008 4:11 PM PST up reply actions  

So, since I was up until 6am last night, I'm getting up tomorrow to drive back to Seattle

(drive starts at 9am) so that I can be at a bowling tournament @ Roxbury around 2pm… I’m thinking tonight would probably be a bad night to drink to excess, but at the same time, it feels entirely too compelling.

by Two Rs and Two Ls on Dec 12, 2008 4:16 PM PST reply actions  

Fuck it

Get hammered

HA HA HA, your Grandpa's an ASS!- Tourette's Guy (R.I.P)

by tootthekazoo on Dec 12, 2008 4:23 PM PST up reply actions  

I nominate the following;

Siddhartha
Pride and Prejudice (which I have to read again this year)
The Crucible (Salem witch trials do not interest me)

by Mariner John on Dec 12, 2008 4:23 PM PST reply actions  

Ooh, good call on Siddhartha

HA HA HA, your Grandpa's an ASS!- Tourette's Guy (R.I.P)

by tootthekazoo on Dec 12, 2008 4:25 PM PST up reply actions  

Short, easy, deep.

Perfect book.

Oh fuck you. Get out of work? Do what i do and piss your pantalones. Ain’t no one going to fuck with you when you piss your pants. -- kevin_ess, winebibber

by Wilder. on Dec 12, 2008 4:28 PM PST up reply actions  

I did not like it

Perhaps because I had to analyze the shit out of it.

by Mariner John on Dec 12, 2008 4:40 PM PST up reply actions  

I actually forgot we were talking about books we hate

I liked Siddhartha

HA HA HA, your Grandpa's an ASS!- Tourette's Guy (R.I.P)

by tootthekazoo on Dec 12, 2008 4:41 PM PST up reply actions  

This guy shoved me into a locker in high school.

<a href=“http://firstinning.com/players/Steven-Souza-a/” Steven Souza SS/3B Nationals org.

Is it wrong that I take a bit of joy in looking at those batting lines?

by BrianL on Dec 12, 2008 4:37 PM PST reply actions  

What an ass.

Although, people do stupid things in high school.

Oh fuck you. Get out of work? Do what i do and piss your pantalones. Ain’t no one going to fuck with you when you piss your pants. -- kevin_ess, winebibber

by Wilder. on Dec 12, 2008 4:40 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, what the hell?

She hardly looks Russian

HA HA HA, your Grandpa's an ASS!- Tourette's Guy (R.I.P)

by tootthekazoo on Dec 12, 2008 4:55 PM PST up reply actions  

So, is that mail order or something?

Jeff's guide to not looking stupid:
+/- is an absolutely terrible stat, so don't use it, and don't give up on young players before they turn 24.
54!

by joof on Dec 12, 2008 5:18 PM PST up reply actions  

I'll let you know in three weeks.

I’m so excited!

Screw you, Mariners. I'm back in football's loving arms. *edit: well, shit. This isn't going well.

by kevin_ess on Dec 12, 2008 5:50 PM PST up reply actions  

The penis ads have been replaced by ones with jenny finch

It’s like replacing a lineup of 9 ’05 Spezios with one with 9 ’04 Bonds.

by Robert on Dec 12, 2008 5:54 PM PST up reply actions  

There was someone around here who is always accosted by basketballs whenever s/he is around them.

I forget who it is, but I’m sitting courtside on the mic for Willamette again tonight.

by Two Rs and Two Ls on Dec 12, 2008 6:48 PM PST reply actions  

Tycho over at PA sums up the problem with Playstation Home.
There are things about Home that are simply beyond my understanding. Chief among these bizarre maneuvers is the idea that, when manufacturing their flimsy dystopia, they actually ported the pernicious notion of scarcity from our world into their digital one. This is like having the ability to shape being from non-being at the subatomic level, and the first thing you decide to make is AIDS.

by BrianL on Dec 12, 2008 6:49 PM PST reply actions  

This is why I have a hard time getting into the mogul type games.

I have no idea how they are constructed on a basic level. Like a baseball game, would they base it off of era and rbi, not even reading into those numbers on a slightly deeper level like number of plate appearances, number of doubles, walk ratios, etc? Or do they use more complex things like your tRA type concepts and lord only knows what else exists out there? I feel like my decisions are at the mercy of the common sense and intuition of the person/persons designing the game. I’d rather just go play Frogger and watch him get squished because I have bad reflexes.

There’s a question for you. Is there market in the video game world for work like tRA? They have to use something in those things.

It’s a hand lotion, not a dick lotion.- wilder., connoisseur.

by Kermit. on Dec 12, 2008 7:01 PM PST up reply actions  

See where my soapbox gets me? Exactly nowhere!

It’s a hand lotion, not a dick lotion.- wilder., connoisseur.

by Kermit. on Dec 12, 2008 8:42 PM PST up reply actions  

The Greenwood Market now carries Southern Tier and all of the fancy Deschutes seasonals/limited runs.

This is in addition to Rogue, Stone, Anderson Valley, Ninkasi, Iron Horse, Dogfish Head, Avery, Lagunitas, Boulder Brewing, some North Coast stuff, and assorted other microbrews that I have yet to try. They don’t have a great selection of imports (although they have started carryin Trappistes Rochefort,) but for a neighborhood grocery store in a kinda crappy part of town, their selection is pretty phenomenal. I am really going to miss that place.

by Aaron Campeau on Dec 12, 2008 7:08 PM PST reply actions  

I think, out of the all the books I've read in my LA classes so far, the only book I really liked

was The Kite Runner. Things Fall Apart, Red Badge of Courage, The Great Gatsby, Faith and the Good Thing and, in the first 8 chapters at least, Zorba the Greek have all been terrible.

by Coach Owens on Dec 12, 2008 7:13 PM PST reply actions  

I thoroughly enjoyed it.

I was 13 when I read it though, so maybe I should read it again.

by Aaron Campeau on Dec 12, 2008 7:29 PM PST up reply actions  

Maybe it's growing up with the Internet and most people having TV.

Kids my age these days like a lot of action, even in books. Things Fall Apart didn’t have a lot so it was hard to get into.

by Coach Owens on Dec 12, 2008 7:31 PM PST up reply actions  

It's not like I don't like reading.

I’ve read nearly every book from John Grisham and have read a few of Stephen King’s super long novels, I just couldn’t get into Things Fall Apart. It didn’t help that we had to write a literary analysis paper on it afterwards, either. I suck at that.

by Coach Owens on Dec 12, 2008 7:36 PM PST up reply actions  

The ones I loved the most were anything by Tim O'Brien

I’m not sure if I really hated any books because if I didn’t like a book after 20 pages I put it down

by Dewey N on Dec 12, 2008 9:04 PM PST reply actions  

They can try to make me

Doesn’t actually mean I’m going to

by Dewey N on Dec 12, 2008 9:10 PM PST up reply actions  

And I realize this sounds a bit, I dunno, stuck up

but I really don’t have the time to read a book that I won’t enjoy when I can just accept a B+ for the year and move on. It’s probably not the right attitude but it’s the attitude that makes me happy

by Dewey N on Dec 12, 2008 9:11 PM PST up reply actions  

No, it's the right attitude

if you think it’s a waste of your time. you probably won’t put a good effort into the task anyway, so what’s the point of wasting your time half-assing some assignment when you can get the result you want (a decent grade) anyway?

by seattlebruin on Dec 13, 2008 3:46 AM PST up reply actions  

WHY ARE MY INTERNET SO SLOW?!?

Determined, Jonesing Commentor | Proud proprietor of Washingtonhighways.org

by Corco on Dec 12, 2008 9:20 PM PST reply actions  

HOW SLOW ARE YOU JOHNNY!

http://speakeasy.net/speedtest/

It’s a hand lotion, not a dick lotion.- wilder., connoisseur.

by Kermit. on Dec 12, 2008 9:22 PM PST up reply actions  

Who in the fuck are you?? My buddy dpseadv and I are going to kick your gay ass.

Screw you, Mariners. I'm back in football's loving arms. *edit: well, shit. This isn't going well.

by kevin_ess on Dec 12, 2008 9:28 PM PST up reply actions  

I'd reply but I'd probably be in violation of a couple of rules.

I’m watching Colbert on the Reilly report, so my heads in a funny/bad place at the moment

It’s a hand lotion, not a dick lotion.- wilder., connoisseur.

by Kermit. on Dec 12, 2008 9:32 PM PST up reply actions  

You're dead, dude. My buddy is a deep sea diver. He's fuckin' tough, and your ass is grass.

Screw you, Mariners. I'm back in football's loving arms. *edit: well, shit. This isn't going well.

by kevin_ess on Dec 12, 2008 9:34 PM PST up reply actions  

3:30 outside of Mrs. Carlton's annex. You're dead, dude.

Screw you, Mariners. I'm back in football's loving arms. *edit: well, shit. This isn't going well.

by kevin_ess on Dec 12, 2008 9:35 PM PST up reply actions  

Everyone's internet is slow.

Online christmas shopping+fewer people going out because of recession=slow assed internet.

by Aaron Campeau on Dec 12, 2008 9:26 PM PST up reply actions  

Stop making so much sense all the time.

It’s a hand lotion, not a dick lotion.- wilder., connoisseur.

by Kermit. on Dec 12, 2008 9:31 PM PST up reply actions  

There are other things to braid, But I suspect you're right.

Screw you, Mariners. I'm back in football's loving arms. *edit: well, shit. This isn't going well.

by kevin_ess on Dec 12, 2008 9:36 PM PST up reply actions  

YES.

Screw you, Mariners. I'm back in football's loving arms. *edit: well, shit. This isn't going well.

by kevin_ess on Dec 12, 2008 9:39 PM PST up reply actions  

Once again, so much sense.

It’s a hand lotion, not a dick lotion.- wilder., connoisseur.

by Kermit. on Dec 12, 2008 9:38 PM PST up reply actions  

Oh God, Walter Jones may be done.....forever.

I want to cry now. Fuck this. I’m getting drunk.

Every day I hear about Seattle sports' failures. Every night I fall asleep to the sound of my own tears.

by Benne on Dec 12, 2008 9:23 PM PST reply actions  

Didn't get around to reading Field Gulls until now.

My day is officially ruined.

Every day I hear about Seattle sports' failures. Every night I fall asleep to the sound of my own tears.

by Benne on Dec 12, 2008 9:28 PM PST up reply actions  

Things could be worse. Starving children in Africa an all that.

Cancer. Of the ass. Chagas disease. Child abuse. Alcoholism. Waking up next to an ugly chick. Impotence. Being a Washington State resident that is fond of sports beyond the HS level in any conceivable way.

Formerly dpseadvr.

by Kermit. on Dec 12, 2008 10:33 PM PST up reply actions  

Wait, wait, wait, wait...

are you the child being abused or are you the one dishing it out?

Oh fuck you. Get out of work? Do what i do and piss your pantalones. Ain’t no one going to fuck with you when you piss your pants. -- kevin_ess, winebibber

by Wilder. on Dec 12, 2008 11:11 PM PST up reply actions  

Hang on a sec, this couch is uncomfortable.

For the money per hour, I’d expect better cushions doc

Formerly dpseadvr.

by Kermit. on Dec 12, 2008 11:14 PM PST up reply actions  

You don't know how many times I've typed "things could be worse"

I’ve deleted that line about 4 times today, I couldn’t take it anymore.

Formerly dpseadvr.

by Kermit. on Dec 12, 2008 11:15 PM PST up reply actions  

It's not bad being the optimist.

Oh fuck you. Get out of work? Do what i do and piss your pantalones. Ain’t no one going to fuck with you when you piss your pants. -- kevin_ess, winebibber

by Wilder. on Dec 12, 2008 11:18 PM PST up reply actions  

"HOLYFUCKING ASS AUNT RAPING SEAGULL FUCKERS"

Is that what you mean? Because that shit makes me die laughing.

And no, that’s not a direct quote.

Screw you, Mariners. I'm back in football's loving arms. *edit: well, shit. This isn't going well.

by kevin_ess on Dec 12, 2008 9:33 PM PST up reply actions  

Hey, there's nobody else around this time on a Friday night.

Seriously, what do you guys see for the M’s near/far future? Wide open, nobody gets to call anybody out for being stupid. Especially when I hit the statcorner feature that shows me ‘traditional’ numbers so I know WTF I’m talking about.

It’s a hand lotion, not a dick lotion.- wilder., connoisseur.

by Kermit. on Dec 12, 2008 9:42 PM PST reply actions  

Sign Walter Jones!

Every day I hear about Seattle sports' failures. Every night I fall asleep to the sound of my own tears.

by Benne on Dec 12, 2008 9:42 PM PST up reply actions  

.500-ish team tops this year

Outside contenders for the AL West in 2010.

by BrianL on Dec 12, 2008 9:42 PM PST up reply actions  

I can see us getting to 70-75 wins

Give or take, depending on who the DH is, what LF will look like (I’m assuming a Chavez/Wlad platoon for now), how the bullpen will shake out in the spring, and how much to the mean Silva/Johjima will regress (they can’t be as awful as they were last year).

Every day I hear about Seattle sports' failures. Every night I fall asleep to the sound of my own tears.

by Benne on Dec 12, 2008 9:45 PM PST up reply actions  

Heh, 70-75! Same here. The guys that Bavasi signed, or whoever signed Joh, don't even bother me.

Not his problem. If Zduriencik gets them off the team a day sooner than their contract, good on him.

It’s a hand lotion, not a dick lotion.- wilder., connoisseur.

by Kermit. on Dec 12, 2008 9:54 PM PST up reply actions  

I think we're stuck with Silva and Johjima, unfortunately.

But I’d love to get Washburn’s salary off the books and kick Batista to the curb.

Every day I hear about Seattle sports' failures. Every night I fall asleep to the sound of my own tears.

by Benne on Dec 12, 2008 10:03 PM PST up reply actions  

Batista is pretty much done, and untradable.

I’m guessing ’09 is his last year in the majors.

Every day I hear about Seattle sports' failures. Every night I fall asleep to the sound of my own tears.

by Benne on Dec 12, 2008 10:35 PM PST up reply actions  

I'll buy that, this is moving a lot faster than I anticipated.

I’ll take 70-75 wins in the meantime and not complain one bit. And watch people yelp. Better, watch us get close in a couple of years and everybody starts wanting to trade a bunch of developing talent for the proven veteran that will “put us over the top”.
All I know is I hope this guy gets as many years as Bavasi. Complain all you want about Armstrong and Howard (I know I do), but as a prospective GM coming in here, you gotta figure your going to get your piece of time.

It’s a hand lotion, not a dick lotion.- wilder., connoisseur.

by Kermit. on Dec 12, 2008 9:51 PM PST up reply actions  

Realistically I think this team will finish around 75 wins

but a lot of it depends on who’s still on the club after July.

by BrianL on Dec 12, 2008 10:01 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm thinking Paula Abdul at third. Fuck Adrian.

Screw you, Mariners. I'm back in football's loving arms. *edit: well, shit. This isn't going well.

by kevin_ess on Dec 12, 2008 9:43 PM PST up reply actions  

No. I'm sorry. I'mjust sore that were losing the defense in the outfield now that Raul is gone.

Screw you, Mariners. I'm back in football's loving arms. *edit: well, shit. This isn't going well.

by kevin_ess on Dec 12, 2008 9:45 PM PST up reply actions  

We all took pride in it.

Every day I hear about Seattle sports' failures. Every night I fall asleep to the sound of my own tears.

by Benne on Dec 12, 2008 9:46 PM PST up reply actions  

Pride and poop both have a "P" in them.

Screw you, Mariners. I'm back in football's loving arms. *edit: well, shit. This isn't going well.

by kevin_ess on Dec 12, 2008 9:47 PM PST up reply actions  

Raul takes pride in his poop?

Who doesn’t?

Every day I hear about Seattle sports' failures. Every night I fall asleep to the sound of my own tears.

by Benne on Dec 12, 2008 9:48 PM PST up reply actions  

I have no idea as far as this year goes. I think it's wide open.

I’d love to see someone besides Yuni at SS, even if it means he slides over to 2B and Jose goes away. (I’d prefer Jose stick around, but as long as Yuni isn’t at SS I’m happy.) By mid-year it would be quite nice if Washburn was gone, and I think that’s a real possibility with the improved OF defense. I’m really curious to see what GMZ does as far as DH is concerned, because I think it might be a real clue as to how far from contention the organization thinks it is. Same deal with how the team approaches the Beltre situation; everyone knows how much I love Adrian, but it’s really unlikely he sticks around past ‘09 unless the M’s are ready to compete in ‘10. (Even then I think it’s a long shot, but still.) If they can get value for him this offseason that’s great, but I’d prefer they hang on to him until the deadline because I think it’s fairly likely his luck regresses and his value goes up, even if he’s a three month rental instead of a one season rental. Similar deal with Bedard, but to an even greater extent; no way they should trade him unless someone makes an absolutely bugfuck offer.

I can see the 02010 Mariners being a .500 team, but I can just as easily see them having a similar record to the 02009 Mariners. They’ll just compile that record in a much different, much less soul-destroying way. I think it’s entirely possible the M’s are competitive in 02010 and contenders in 02011. Things go well you can shift that up a year. This is a fun time.

by Aaron Campeau on Dec 12, 2008 9:58 PM PST up reply actions  

Too bad we missed out on the stopgap options at SS (Everett, Izturis)

And the chances of landing Furcal look dim. Still, I’d like to think that Zduriencik knows he has a problem up the middle and will look to fix it, however that gets done.

Unloading Washburn should be much easier in July—-an improved OF defense will go a long way towards making him look less shitty. As for Beltre, I see three options:

1. Flip him for prospects, either now or in July
2. Convince him (and, more importantly, Boras) to sign an extension, because he is awesome and I want him to stay; or…
3. Let him walk after ’09 (he should project as a Type A) and pocket the draft picks.

None of those are terrible options, and Z has lots of cards to play there.

Every day I hear about Seattle sports' failures. Every night I fall asleep to the sound of my own tears.

by Benne on Dec 12, 2008 10:09 PM PST up reply actions  

Oh yeah, me too.

I trust his judgment. (God, it feels so good saying that about the M’s front office)

If we reach .500 next year they need to erect a bronze statue of Zduriencik in front of Safeco.

Every day I hear about Seattle sports' failures. Every night I fall asleep to the sound of my own tears.

by Benne on Dec 12, 2008 10:14 PM PST up reply actions  

Doesn't that feel nice? Being optimistic about the GM running the show?

I love the thought process that went into the big trade. Hell, even the little pickups like Shelton and Branyan have been encouraging. So far we’ve seen he’s able to identify cheap, available talent and he understands the value of defense and minor league depth.

by BrianL on Dec 12, 2008 10:18 PM PST up reply actions  

Geoff Baker had a fantastic article about Zduriencik's trade philosophy in today's Times.

I don’t know if it’s on his blog (I rarely go there anymore) but it’s definitely worth a read.

Every day I hear about Seattle sports' failures. Every night I fall asleep to the sound of my own tears.

by Benne on Dec 12, 2008 10:20 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah thanks for the tip, I'll check that out.

And I like what you say about flipping Wash by next trade deadline. I don’t think people make enough of that deadline. It’s a big factor to teams that are close, or think they are close. Desperation makes some of these GM’s fall in love with a Ford.

Formerly dpseadvr.

by Kermit. on Dec 12, 2008 10:29 PM PST up reply actions  

Unfortunately the trade deadline doesn't seem to be as lively as it used to be in the late 90s.

Most GMs just aren’t willing to part with premium prospects anymore, which is probably smart on their part.

by BrianL on Dec 12, 2008 10:30 PM PST up reply actions  

This is very true.

Even if we assume Washburn puts up a phantom ERA buoyed by great defense, I doubt we’ll get much more than a C-list prospect for him. Still, better than nothing. I just want him gone.

Every day I hear about Seattle sports' failures. Every night I fall asleep to the sound of my own tears.

by Benne on Dec 12, 2008 10:32 PM PST up reply actions  

Washburn probably won't net us anything in terms of compensation picks.

(Though Elias has done stranger things)

If we can get any sort of a useful player for Washburn, I’ll be pretty happy.

by BrianL on Dec 12, 2008 10:33 PM PST up reply actions  

I keep reading "10 mil, no big deal". Or "2 wins, not that big a deal".

As an isolated event, sure. But you’ve got to step back from the chalk board and add them up. This team is loaded. A front runner in money. But there is a limit, and I don’t like the notion of wasting money just because you’re flush, put that shit in your pocket for the rainy day. You never know when “just a million” might be the deal breaker.

Formerly dpseadvr.

by Kermit. on Dec 12, 2008 10:37 PM PST up reply actions  

Makes sense. All of it, no arguments.

I’m waiting to see how he handles his bullpen (near term) and long term starting pitching development. One inning specialists? I’m tired of that crap, I don’t think you need the constant pitching changes for every swinging bat that steps to the plate. I’d like to see a couple of bullpen guys that are allowed to go 2 innings every night, and screw the 3 runs. You could carry an extra fielder that way, bingo platoon. I love me a couple of platoon positions. Gain a couple extra points on runs provided and you can keep some defense in your hip pocket.

That and position player development, I want the Twins style happening around here. And as much as I’ve heard the bullshit about Moneyball 1.5, the first couple of FO management moves and player acquisitions this guy has made are telling me this guy is heading in that direction in a real way. Not some bullshit imaginary makes a good headline for the press kind of way. What cracks me up is I hate the idea of instant replay (despite being cool about it because baseball is change) and some of the people that bag on me for that don’t like him dumping advance scouts. That’s an aside and I should delete it but I won’t because I often lack good judgement.

A few people said this team was closer to competing than most think, and I scoffed at the notion. Now I think I may have been wrong, as the only way to get there quickly is to be a radical motherfucker, and POW! Zduriencik seems to be writing his own playbook. I’ve never seen such a 180 degree turnaround in a rebuilding team in my life. And I know this “isn’t a rebuilding team”, but I said it in June and I’ll stand on it, 60 percent of this team won’t be here in a year. He’s rebuilding and doing it so fast all my friends that hated Randy Winn haven’t even had a chance to process what’s happening. Best season of me being a fan is this weeks winter meetings, and that (almost) includes ’01.

Formerly dpseadvr.

by Kermit. on Dec 12, 2008 10:24 PM PST up reply actions  

So who want's to lynch this Kermit poser, trying to steal my friend's real name?

This person is a menace. I’m going to make his/her life a living hell.

Screw you, Mariners. I'm back in football's loving arms. *edit: well, shit. This isn't going well.

by kevin_ess on Dec 12, 2008 9:42 PM PST reply actions  

I'm ashamed of you. Call me. I think you're hawt.

Screw you, Mariners. I'm back in football's loving arms. *edit: well, shit. This isn't going well.

by kevin_ess on Dec 12, 2008 10:42 PM PST up reply actions  

Nah I forgot to put a sig in there about changing profiles.

Not that it really matters, I think just about everybody that talks to me was in last nights OT post.

Formerly dpseadvr.

by Kermit. on Dec 12, 2008 10:46 PM PST up reply actions  

You're a fraud, you bastard.

Screw you, Mariners. I'm back in football's loving arms. *edit: well, shit. This isn't going well.

by kevin_ess on Dec 12, 2008 10:59 PM PST up reply actions  

Works fine for me

Could it be the long thread here? We may need an OTFPOTD: Late Night Edition.

Every day I hear about Seattle sports' failures. Every night I fall asleep to the sound of my own tears.

by Benne on Dec 12, 2008 10:11 PM PST up reply actions  

That's not it

I’m having issues loading up other blogs in SBN. I’m timing out every time I try to head over to Field Gulls and BTB.

by BrianL on Dec 12, 2008 10:12 PM PST up reply actions  

That's really weird, then.

Do you have Comcast as your Internet connection? I know their servers like to take a dump every now and then. (I use Clearwire)

Every day I hear about Seattle sports' failures. Every night I fall asleep to the sound of my own tears.

by Benne on Dec 12, 2008 10:22 PM PST up reply actions  

Verizon, and it's been fine.

I’m not having any trouble accessing other internet locations, just SBN.

by BrianL on Dec 12, 2008 10:25 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't know what to really say

I’d give advice, but I’m hardly a computer-savvy guy so I’m going to avoid talking out my ass.

Every day I hear about Seattle sports' failures. Every night I fall asleep to the sound of my own tears.

by Benne on Dec 12, 2008 10:30 PM PST up reply actions  

Like Friday night server maintenance type thing? Makes sense.

I’ve got verizon, and I’ve noticed a little herky jerky the last hour or so. Like you said, just on SBN.

Formerly dpseadvr.

by Kermit. on Dec 12, 2008 10:39 PM PST up reply actions  

Who else is still here?

I’m on my third beer, and the night is young yet. Perhaps I’ll have a Code Geass marathon (throwing a bone to Brian).

Every day I hear about Seattle sports' failures. Every night I fall asleep to the sound of my own tears.

by Benne on Dec 12, 2008 10:46 PM PST reply actions  

Never mind.

I forgot I’m about the only anime fan here.

Every day I hear about Seattle sports' failures. Every night I fall asleep to the sound of my own tears.

by Benne on Dec 12, 2008 10:50 PM PST up reply actions  

Wow, before the facebook and cellphones how did we ever hook up for parties and bands?

I remember a carload of friends and driving all over town to the usual hangouts until you rounded up your crew and found the best party.

Formerly dpseadvr.

by Kermit. on Dec 12, 2008 10:58 PM PST reply actions  

You mean you had cars back in those days?

Every day I hear about Seattle sports' failures. Every night I fall asleep to the sound of my own tears.

by Benne on Dec 12, 2008 10:59 PM PST up reply actions  

Yabba dabba dude.

Screw you, Mariners. I'm back in football's loving arms. *edit: well, shit. This isn't going well.

by kevin_ess on Dec 12, 2008 11:04 PM PST up reply actions  

I should have never mentioned the party line.

Honestly southeastern Oregon in the early 80’s was like 1955. It was weird, time just passed right over that place.

Formerly dpseadvr.

by Kermit. on Dec 12, 2008 11:06 PM PST up reply actions  

Oh wow look at that! Isn't that special!

Benne has some pretty good things to say about the M’s, hmmm, BrianL and acblue check and check. AND THEN KERMIT PONTIFICATES OUT OF HIS ASS! On LL of all places, isn’t that smart. Glass of wine and a keyboard most people crack jokes. Me? 10,000 word essays on baseball strategy or something. Lovely.

Formerly dpseadvr.

by Kermit. on Dec 13, 2008 9:50 AM PST reply actions  

Weekend workers unite

Anybody shutting themselves in because of the cold? Or anybody working today like me? Gonna be long and boring once the chill sets in later

HA HA HA, your Grandpa's an ASS!- Tourette's Guy (R.I.P)

by tootthekazoo on Dec 13, 2008 11:14 AM PST reply actions  

Awesome

Encounter any snow last night on the hill?

HA HA HA, your Grandpa's an ASS!- Tourette's Guy (R.I.P)

by tootthekazoo on Dec 13, 2008 11:42 AM PST up reply actions  

3:30-12 fpr me.

Go retail. At least I’m inside.

by Mariner John on Dec 13, 2008 1:15 PM PST up reply actions  

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