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Thanks for everything, JJ.

The tentative details:

To Seattle:

Aaron Heilman
Franklin Gutierrez
Mike Carp
Endy Chavez

To New York:

JJ Putz
Jeremy Reed
Sean Green

To Cleveland:

Joe Smith
Luis Valbuena

There may be another prospect in there somewhere, but who knows. There are the major names.

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Wednesdays with Franklin Gutierrez

just doesn’t have the same ring to it

by Will Kier on Dec 10, 2008 8:30 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

seriously that was by far the best part of LL

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by jhmoore on Dec 10, 2008 9:08 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Zuh?

I just got home from a 13-hour day. What happened?

by katal on Dec 10, 2008 8:32 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hmmm..

JJ, Reed, Green —> Mets
Heilman, Endy Chavez (?), Franklin Gutierrez, Matt Capp -→ M’s
Valbuena, Joe Smith -→ Indians

by JI on Dec 10, 2008 8:34 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Pravda has it.

Link

The Mariners would receive right-handed pitcher Aaron Heilman, outfielder Endy Chavez and first baseman Mike Carp from the Mets along with outfielder Franklin Gutierrez from the Indians.

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/

by JY on Dec 10, 2008 8:34 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Pravda wouldn't know until someone told them.

It’s just further confirmation at this point.

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/

by JY on Dec 10, 2008 8:38 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Holy fuck

Welcome to Sexytropolis City, we just pulled off a great deal

by Nick S on Dec 10, 2008 8:36 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

THUNDER! (ah aha aha ah ah aha ah aha ah)

I don’t know if we were supposed to but every time THUNDER came up I yelled J! J!

BOOYA! You got Slurved!

by Slurvey on Dec 10, 2008 8:38 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

shit, now that you mention it

With JJ leaving, I need a new ring tone.

by katal on Dec 10, 2008 8:41 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm keeping it. I loved JJ, but love AC/DC more.

Screw you, Mariners. I'm back in football's loving arms. *edit: well, shit. This isn't going well.

by kevin_ess on Dec 10, 2008 8:51 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Puttin Morrow back into the pen?

Heilman says he wants to start, but Morrow also said he doesn’t want to go back to the pen.
Why would we listen to Heilman?

by bon_ton on Dec 10, 2008 8:57 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Seriously, Morrow has proven that he could be hell of a starter.

But I suppose Heilman kind of has too, I remember watching him pitch a one hitter against the Marlins back in 2005, so he could be good.

by Fin on Dec 10, 2008 9:49 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

great deal for the Ms but...

god damn it I’m gonna miss JJ. I had that unconditional love for him similar to the average fan’s love for Willie. I’m half-depressed, half-excited

by IceStormV1 on Dec 10, 2008 8:47 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

dammit, didn't mean to hit send

… going on… I was about to say, the number of talented youth on this team would have been insane.

by katal on Dec 10, 2008 8:52 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Also our previous trades with Cleveland.

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/

by JY on Dec 10, 2008 8:52 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Sorry if this has been posted:

It seems the current three-team trade proposal between the Mariners, Mets and Indians, involving J.J. Putz, came together after another three-team effort fell apart. That prior effort involved the Mariners, Tigers and Tampa Bay Rays.
In that proposal, the Tigers would have kicked first baseman Jeff Larish into the pot, but not outfielder Matt Joyce. No word on whether the Rays would have sent someone to Seattle, but the M’s wound up walking away. At that point, the Tigers turned around and dealt Joyce to the Rays for starter Edwin Jackson.

http://blog.seattletimes.nwsource.com/mariners/2008/12/10/previous_threeway_deal_had_col.html

by Toxicadam on Dec 10, 2008 8:51 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You're

also getting Jason Vargas.

And Jeff, answer your fucking phone.

"I got my pregnant wife (the Yankee fan) with me. Hoping my kid learns to kick her everytime the Mets score." -Schifftis-

by future on Dec 10, 2008 8:52 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

god

he doesn’t even take a good angle to that and he gets it

ridiculous

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by jhmoore on Dec 10, 2008 9:12 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

From Baker...

“As well, they get three more minor leaguers from the Mets, right handed pitcher Maikel Cleto, outfielder Ezequiel Carrera and left handed pitcher Jason Vargas.”

BOOYA! You got Slurved!

by Slurvey on Dec 10, 2008 8:54 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It's a freaking killing

You guys got a ton for Putz. Way to leverage our need for bullpen arms that don’t suck.

Also, I think you will have the greatest outfield defense of all time with Endy, Gutierrez and Ichiro out there.

"I got my pregnant wife (the Yankee fan) with me. Hoping my kid learns to kick her everytime the Mets score." -Schifftis-

by future on Dec 10, 2008 8:56 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

This may be sacrilege

but I trust GMZ with minor leaguers more than even Fontaine. The more prospects we get in this trade, the better.

by katal on Dec 10, 2008 8:57 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hmmm.

I don’t see it as sacrilege. My thoughts on “Saint Fontaine” have been spelled out somewhat clearly here. He’s far from perfect, and I trust Zduriencik more myself, too.

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by PositivePaul on Dec 10, 2008 9:17 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Wait what?

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by I'm NOT Corco on Dec 10, 2008 8:57 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Holy fucking shit

3 more propspects, If this is true GMZ just pulled off a robbery.

by IceStormV1 on Dec 10, 2008 8:59 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Wow.

Vargas helps solve out lack of bullpen lefties problem.
Cleto’s a reasonably interesting young arm who was competent, but not dominating in a league he was too young for.
Carrera’s a young left-handed outfield. Not much else I know about him/

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by JY on Dec 10, 2008 9:02 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I LEAVE THE COMPUTER FOR 2 HOURS AND THIS HAPPENS

HUZZZZAH 1

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by I'm NOT Corco on Dec 10, 2008 8:56 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I feel happy!

This feeling…. it’s so foreign…..

It’s like Morrow’s 1-hitter all over again.

Mariners ----> Brewers.

by Taylor H on Dec 10, 2008 8:57 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It isn't anything spectacular

but that’s for the Beltre trade.

by katal on Dec 10, 2008 9:00 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Clarifying

The trade is spectacular. I’m very pleased.
I meant that none of the players are A-level. That is for when we trade Adrian Beltre.

by katal on Dec 10, 2008 9:00 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

We did not rape them

but it’s a lot better then a Bavasi trade and does help us out

My brain still can’t accept that Endy Chavez is good though

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by I'm NOT Corco on Dec 10, 2008 9:01 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Lets put it this way

Endy Chavez is a defensive fucking god. Thou shalt appreciate him.

"I got my pregnant wife (the Yankee fan) with me. Hoping my kid learns to kick her everytime the Mets score." -Schifftis-

by future on Dec 10, 2008 9:02 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

visitor from Royals Review

and Franklin Gutierrez looks like Endy, Jr. Except he’s familiar with this “hitting” all the kids are raving about.

I hate you all.

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Dec 10, 2008 9:03 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Fuck. My emotions are running the gamut. Sorry you won't be singing Thunderstruck anymore, Silas, but we just made a great deal.

Can I keep the JJ poster up?

Screw you, Mariners. I'm back in football's loving arms. *edit: well, shit. This isn't going well.

by kevin_ess on Dec 10, 2008 9:03 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Good stuff

Adopted Giant: Aaron King

Wearing the crown by 2011. Or at least the LOOGY hat

by baetown415 on Dec 10, 2008 9:04 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

the minor leaguers we got

They don’t look too bad. Obviously Carp is the prize of the group, but Astacio looks like a good, speedy outfielder who knows how to take a walk, and Vargas looks like a decent loogy candidate.

by Turdburglar on Dec 10, 2008 9:05 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Carrera, you mean.

Not Astacio.

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by JY on Dec 10, 2008 9:08 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Polarizing Trade

Seems like half the M’s fans like this and half hate this.

I think it’s a solid trade. At first I hated it knowing how poorly Gutierrez hit last year but then I remembered he is a pretty damn good defender.

The other pieces are also solid. Heilman could start or close and it wasn’t too long ago that he was a pretty good setup man. Either way he’s another piece we could flip for valve later on. And getting 4 interesting though not spectular minor leaguers is also pretty solid.

by thebiz on Dec 10, 2008 9:06 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I initially hated this trade

but once I saw the defense! part of it I realized it was good

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by I'm NOT Corco on Dec 10, 2008 9:11 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I initially hated this trade

but once I read what Dave and Jeff had to say about it I realized it was good, seeing as I get virtually all my baseball opinions from them.

Mariners ----> Brewers.

by Taylor H on Dec 10, 2008 9:12 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

thats what everyone does

But no one will admit it

http://marinersmania.com/forums

by outtathequestion on Dec 10, 2008 9:28 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Many of my MC folks are against this. I'm trying to talk sense into them.

Uphill battle.

Screw you, Mariners. I'm back in football's loving arms. *edit: well, shit. This isn't going well.

by kevin_ess on Dec 10, 2008 9:51 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

but, but ....

KJR says we should be really disappointed in Zduriencik’s first deal.

by msb on Dec 10, 2008 9:07 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

KJR promoted Ian Furness and demoted Dave Grosby.

Groz was pretty much the only one with knowledge on that whole staff.

Yesterday's Pants
A blog-thingy about the Mariners and stuff.

by BrettJMiller on Dec 10, 2008 9:25 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

well, not really.

Groz was the one whose contract was up just as KJR was ready to retrench.

by msb on Dec 10, 2008 9:37 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

So we're trading Heilman, right?

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by I'm NOT Corco on Dec 10, 2008 9:08 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well...

we are kinda short on fungible bullpen arms right now.

by eponymous_coward on Dec 10, 2008 9:10 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

True

but Heilman wants to start, so if we could give him + say Halman for a couple decent bullpen arms that would be great

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by I'm NOT Corco on Dec 10, 2008 9:10 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The fuck?

Why would you deal away Halman for relief help?

by Matthew on Dec 10, 2008 9:11 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

also I am wasted right now I

as classes ended tonight so M’s players == >God and other teams players =<Mike Morse

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by I'm NOT Corco on Dec 10, 2008 9:14 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

good english. you earned it

Can't wait for Ruskell to knock this one out of the park.

by abender20 on Dec 10, 2008 9:30 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Did the Mets ever make him the closer?

I’d say “sorry, we’re full up with starters, but we have this relief ace job open”. Better him than Beluga Tits.

by eponymous_coward on Dec 10, 2008 9:12 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I can't wait until next Tuesday now.

That climax was pretty spectacular. Can’t wait for the denouement…

This signature space for rent.

by PositivePaul on Dec 10, 2008 9:28 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don't see how people think Z could've done better than this...

I mean come on, he not only made us better as of right now, but he brought in some prospects as well. And atleast now you can say the mariners are good at SOMETHING. (outfield defense) Instead of nothing, like last year.

by Turdburglar on Dec 10, 2008 9:09 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

People don't know how to properly evaluate defense.

Strike that, people don’t want to look at defense as part of a roster move.

by BrianL on Dec 10, 2008 9:10 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

and pujols

Can't wait for Ruskell to knock this one out of the park.

by abender20 on Dec 10, 2008 9:31 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I miss Zduriencik already :(

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by jhmoore on Dec 10, 2008 9:14 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

can we at least get a sandwich pick for him

you guys wouldn’t even lose anything

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by jhmoore on Dec 10, 2008 9:19 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Only if we get a shortstop to replace our old JJ!

And that Gallardo guy. He looks like he has veteran grit.

Mariners ----> Brewers.

by Taylor H on Dec 10, 2008 9:30 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

he's pretty scrappy too

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by jhmoore on Dec 10, 2008 10:15 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I figured the avatar made it kinda obvious

but hey you never know I guess

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by jhmoore on Dec 10, 2008 9:18 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

A lot of people turn those off.

It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray

by Faux on Dec 10, 2008 9:19 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

BCB is a little lower traffic than here.

The largest thread I saw there was about 700.

It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray

by Faux on Dec 10, 2008 9:23 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

My computer is also 1.8 Ghz, so that probably doesn't help much.

I think the newer computers could probably launch a potato into space on processing power alone, but I haven’t looked at speeds lately. I’d probably just cry.

by dpseadv on Dec 10, 2008 9:25 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

GHz aren't everything.

But if you’re talking like that, it’s probably outdated enough that it wouldn’t matter.

It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray

by Faux on Dec 10, 2008 9:29 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Mac G5. It's gritty and has a lot of hustle. Pretty good situational hitter as well.

It’s 4 years old, in computer years that’s right on the edge of old I think.

by dpseadv on Dec 10, 2008 9:32 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Jason isn't real thrilled.

He thinks they should have gotten something more for JJ.

He did point out the importance of defense.

by msb on Dec 10, 2008 9:23 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

he could have been a bit more emphatic.

and Elise took it that she should still be disappointed. she supports the rebuilding, but thinks they should have gotten Mike Carp and a couple of ‘better’ minor league prospects — and she missed his explanation that Green & Reed are easily replaceable parts

by msb on Dec 10, 2008 9:26 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well, if it had been JJ=>Joyce straight up, it would have been better.

You figure JJ HAS to be more valuable to the Tigers than Edwin Jackson, though the Tigers were stupid enough to trade Joyce for Jackson, so who knows.

by eponymous_coward on Dec 10, 2008 9:25 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

We have a Mayckol too.

He may be up from the VSL soon.

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by JY on Dec 10, 2008 9:19 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

and hey, I trust them more because they know more than me

If they started talking about highways I’d chase my intuition but since I know J/M/G/Dave/DMZ know more than me I’ll listen to them

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by I'm NOT Corco on Dec 10, 2008 9:20 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No this is me being drunk and all my friends saying the Mariners got raped

and me saying “Look, people who know more than you do say they got a good deal, and they have good reason to back it all up, so I’m rolling with them”

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by I'm NOT Corco on Dec 10, 2008 9:23 PM PST to parent up reply reply