Done Deal
by Jeff on Dec 10, 2008 8:27 PM PST
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Thanks for everything, JJ.
To Seattle:
Aaron Heilman
Franklin Gutierrez
Mike Carp
Endy Chavez
To New York:
JJ Putz
Jeremy Reed
Sean Green
To Cleveland:
Joe Smith
Luis Valbuena
There may be another prospect in there somewhere, but who knows. There are the major names.
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Wednesdays with Franklin Gutierrez
just doesn’t have the same ring to it
by Will Kier on Dec 10, 2008 8:30 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Were Tuesdays with Sean Green conditional on him playing for the M's?
by FlaskInSafeco on Dec 10, 2008 8:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
seriously that was by far the best part of LL
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Juuuust a bit outside!!
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by Jack Moore on Dec 10, 2008 9:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Zuh?
I just got home from a 13-hour day. What happened?
by katal on Dec 10, 2008 8:32 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
How to tell if there's been big news regarding the Mariners by checking USSM
“Error establishing a database connection”
by eponymous_coward on Dec 10, 2008 8:34 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Pravda has it.
The Mariners would receive right-handed pitcher Aaron Heilman, outfielder Endy Chavez and first baseman Mike Carp from the Mets along with outfielder Franklin Gutierrez from the Indians.
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/
by JY on Dec 10, 2008 8:34 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
You mean
Putz, Reed, Green, Valbuena.
I like this.
by eponymous_coward on Dec 10, 2008 8:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Not as happy that Valbuena's in it.
We need middle infielders with non-crappy defense.
by eponymous_coward on Dec 10, 2008 8:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
All told, though, this beats any Bavasi trade by a million miles.
And Loafie and Wlad could still get flipped. So yeah.
by eponymous_coward on Dec 10, 2008 8:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No mention of the Indian minor leaguers?
by Goose on Dec 10, 2008 8:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Pravda wouldn't know until someone told them.
It’s just further confirmation at this point.
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/
by JY on Dec 10, 2008 8:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Holy fuck
Welcome to Sexytropolis City, we just pulled off a great deal
by Nick S on Dec 10, 2008 8:36 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Really?
I think the Mets got the best of this one. Heilman, Chavez and Smith for Putz, Reed and Green?
Adavantage, Omar.
by tait644 on Dec 10, 2008 9:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, yeah.
But the Mariners still did quite well.
by acblue on Dec 10, 2008 9:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It makes more sense if he goes to Cleveland.
by JI on Dec 10, 2008 8:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No kidding
I mean, it’s neat to add another guy I wanted us to get, but what?
by Jeff on Dec 10, 2008 8:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Crossing my fingers
But if we get Chavez there’s really no downside here at all
by JI on Dec 10, 2008 8:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Can I ask what's great about Chavez?
I look at him and I see a 30 year old who hasn’t done a whole lot.
by katal on Dec 10, 2008 8:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Baker says we're getting him too
It think it’s legit
by JI on Dec 10, 2008 8:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
THUNDER! (ah aha aha ah ah aha ah aha ah)
I don’t know if we were supposed to but every time THUNDER came up I yelled J! J!
BOOYA! You got Slurved!
by Slurvey on Dec 10, 2008 8:38 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Sure
But having a good 4th OF is low on my list of priorities.
by katal on Dec 10, 2008 8:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Get better where you can get better
Chavez is icing
by JI on Dec 10, 2008 8:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Thunderstruck is an awesome kind of requiem for the departure of an awesome Mariner.
BOOYA! You got Slurved!
by Slurvey on Dec 10, 2008 8:40 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
shit, now that you mention it
With JJ leaving, I need a new ring tone.
by katal on Dec 10, 2008 8:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm keeping it. I loved JJ, but love AC/DC more.
Screw you, Mariners. I'm back in football's loving arms. *edit: well, shit. This isn't going well.
by kevin_ess on Dec 10, 2008 8:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Bah
Write a really long trade analysis and can’t submit it because you all crashed our server again. Jerks.
by davidcameron on Dec 10, 2008 8:42 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Sorry.
I checked USSM, saw the server was down, and thus came here.
by eponymous_coward on Dec 10, 2008 8:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It was thunderstruck...
Got to get all of these out of my system…
BOOYA! You got Slurved!
by Slurvey on Dec 10, 2008 8:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
600 comments here
be glad we took as much strain away from USSM as we did
by JI on Dec 10, 2008 8:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Also:
This wouldn’t be a problem if you wrote a political blog…
by eponymous_coward on Dec 10, 2008 8:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Okay, fine
Rosenthal says it’s a done deal. From the M’s perspective, this is what’s being reported:
M’s trade RHP J.J. Putz, RHP Sean Green, OF Jeremy Reed, and 2B Luis Valbuena for OF Franklin Gutierrez, RHP Aaron Heilman, OF Endy Chavez, 1B Mike Carp, and “minor leaguers” from Cleveland.
Z’s first significant trade is certainly a big one – probably the most interesting trade the M’s have pulled off in five years. Let’s break down the pieces by win value.
Putz (2 wins), Green (1 win), Reed (0.5 wins), and Valbuena (1 win) represent a net loss of about 4.5 wins over replacement level players. Combined, they’ll make about $7 million in 2009, so it’s definitely a valuable group of players – productive and cheap. Putz and Valbuena are the real pieces of value, though – Reed and Green are role players. Valbuena could be a league average second baseman pretty quickly, and the Indians did well to spot him as a guy who could help them long term. I hate giving up Valbuena, as I was hopeful the M’s would sell high on Lopez and keep Luis as his replacement.
However, the M’s aren’t getting a bunch of crap in return.
Gutierrez is a +2 win OF (yes, even with a questionable bat, he’s a league average player) who instantly solves the center field problem. Heilman is a +1 win reliever with an undefined role. He wants to start but isn’t good enough to, so if they can convince him to close, that’s in everyone’s best interests. Chavez is a +1 win OF who will probably share time with Wlad (like Gutierrez, his defense is other worldly), and Carp is a +0 win prospect with moderate upside – think Lyle Overbay if he develops well.
The M’s ship off about +4.5 wins and get back +4 wins, so you could call it a big push overall, but that’s where the nuances come in. Here are the reasons I like this deal:
1. The +2 win player the M’s are getting back is much younger than the +2 win player they’re giving up, and they have him under team control for a lot longer. For where this team is, Gutierrez is more valuable than Putz.
2. One of Valbuena or Lopez had to go, because there was no way for them to coexist at full value. In that sense, the M’s swapped a prospect at a position of depth for a prospect at a position where they have a gaping hole. I like Valbuena better than Carp, but Carp has a much clearer road to a job in Seattle.
3. By acquiring Gutierrez and Chavez, the M’s just have given themselves the ability to run out of the best outfield defenses in baseball on days where they send a contact pitcher to the hill. A Chavez/Gutierrez/Ichiro outfield will make Silva and Washburn look significantly better than they really are, and by investing in the defense, the M’s have made it possible that they could salvage some value from a pair of bad contracts.
To me, those three things swing this trade into the plus column for the M’s. That doesn’t make it a total home run – Heilman’s desire to start and the loss of Putz and Green make it much more likely that Morrow’s going to remain in the bullpen, Chavez is only under team control for one year, and Gutierrez’s right-handed bat isn’t a great fit for Safeco.
But in this case, I’d say the positive outweigh the negatives. It’s not an outright fleecing like Putz for Joyce would have been (and if that was on the table, I’d have done that before I did this, but it’s quite possible that was never offered), but I’d say that the Mariners are better right now than they were yesterday and they have a brighter future, and that makes this a good trade.
by davidcameron on Dec 10, 2008 8:45 PM PST reply actions 16 recs
Dammit I wasn't serious
Now I need to come up with original thoughts.
by Jeff on Dec 10, 2008 8:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Gutierrez looks like a poor man's Mike Cameron.
Not as good, but same sort of skills.
by eponymous_coward on Dec 10, 2008 8:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
the M’s just have given themselves the ability to run out of the best outfield defenses in baseball on days where they send a contact pitcher to the hill
This blows my mind
by Robert on Dec 10, 2008 8:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You remember Winn/Cameron/Ichiro?
Yeah. Good times.
by eponymous_coward on Dec 10, 2008 8:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Puttin Morrow back into the pen?
Heilman says he wants to start, but Morrow also said he doesn’t want to go back to the pen.
Why would we listen to Heilman?
by bon_ton on Dec 10, 2008 8:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Seriously, Morrow has proven that he could be hell of a starter.
But I suppose Heilman kind of has too, I remember watching him pitch a one hitter against the Marlins back in 2005, so he could be good.
by Fin on Dec 10, 2008 9:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Nice rundown, I was looking at the numbers and just scratching my head as to why this is good.
If these guys can improve the outfield defense then terrific!
by dpseadv on Dec 10, 2008 9:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
great deal for the Ms but...
god damn it I’m gonna miss JJ. I had that unconditional love for him similar to the average fan’s love for Willie. I’m half-depressed, half-excited
by IceStormV1 on Dec 10, 2008 8:47 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
It's times like this that my anger over the Bedard trade returns
by katal on Dec 10, 2008 8:51 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
dammit, didn't mean to hit send
… going on… I was about to say, the number of talented youth on this team would have been insane.
by katal on Dec 10, 2008 8:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Also our previous trades with Cleveland.
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/
by JY on Dec 10, 2008 8:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry if this has been posted:
It seems the current three-team trade proposal between the Mariners, Mets and Indians, involving J.J. Putz, came together after another three-team effort fell apart. That prior effort involved the Mariners, Tigers and Tampa Bay Rays.
In that proposal, the Tigers would have kicked first baseman Jeff Larish into the pot, but not outfielder Matt Joyce. No word on whether the Rays would have sent someone to Seattle, but the M’s wound up walking away. At that point, the Tigers turned around and dealt Joyce to the Rays for starter Edwin Jackson.
http://blog.seattletimes.nwsource.com/mariners/2008/12/10/previous_threeway_deal_had_col.html
by Toxicadam on Dec 10, 2008 8:51 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
You're
also getting Jason Vargas.
And Jeff, answer your fucking phone.
"I got my pregnant wife (the Yankee fan) with me. Hoping my kid learns to kick her everytime the Mets score." -Schifftis-
by future on Dec 10, 2008 8:52 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Gutierrez should be our CF
And if you disagree, then just copy and paste this link in your browser. http://mlb.mlb.com/media/video.jsp?mid=200806092880532&c_id=cle
by Turdburglar on Dec 10, 2008 8:53 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
god
he doesn’t even take a good angle to that and he gets it
ridiculous
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by Jack Moore on Dec 10, 2008 9:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
From Baker...
“As well, they get three more minor leaguers from the Mets, right handed pitcher Maikel Cleto, outfielder Ezequiel Carrera and left handed pitcher Jason Vargas.”
BOOYA! You got Slurved!
by Slurvey on Dec 10, 2008 8:54 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
It's a freaking killing
You guys got a ton for Putz. Way to leverage our need for bullpen arms that don’t suck.
Also, I think you will have the greatest outfield defense of all time with Endy, Gutierrez and Ichiro out there.
"I got my pregnant wife (the Yankee fan) with me. Hoping my kid learns to kick her everytime the Mets score." -Schifftis-
by future on Dec 10, 2008 8:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This may be sacrilege
but I trust GMZ with minor leaguers more than even Fontaine. The more prospects we get in this trade, the better.
by katal on Dec 10, 2008 8:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hmmm.
I don’t see it as sacrilege. My thoughts on “Saint Fontaine” have been spelled out somewhat clearly here. He’s far from perfect, and I trust Zduriencik more myself, too.
This signature space for rent.
by PositivePaul on Dec 10, 2008 9:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Wait what?
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by I'm NOT Corco on Dec 10, 2008 8:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Holy fucking shit
3 more propspects, If this is true GMZ just pulled off a robbery.
by IceStormV1 on Dec 10, 2008 8:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hey, Cleto is 19.
That makes things a bit more interesting.
by acblue on Dec 10, 2008 9:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Wow.
Vargas helps solve out lack of bullpen lefties problem.
Cleto’s a reasonably interesting young arm who was competent, but not dominating in a league he was too young for.
Carrera’s a young left-handed outfield. Not much else I know about him/
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by JY on Dec 10, 2008 9:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I LEAVE THE COMPUTER FOR 2 HOURS AND THIS HAPPENS
HUZZZZAH 1
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by I'm NOT Corco on Dec 10, 2008 8:56 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I feel happy!
This feeling…. it’s so foreign…..
It’s like Morrow’s 1-hitter all over again.
Mariners ----> Brewers.
by Taylor H on Dec 10, 2008 8:57 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I disagree
Then again, GMZ knows whether he wants Morrow in the pen or not. I trust he’ll do what’s best.
by katal on Dec 10, 2008 9:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I figure making Heilman the closer may calm him down because
Promotion!
by JI on Dec 10, 2008 9:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I just went from pissed to stoked to pissed to FUCK YES THIS IS AWESOME
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by I'm NOT Corco on Dec 10, 2008 8:58 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
It isn't anything spectacular
but that’s for the Beltre trade.
by katal on Dec 10, 2008 9:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Clarifying
The trade is spectacular. I’m very pleased.
I meant that none of the players are A-level. That is for when we trade Adrian Beltre.
by katal on Dec 10, 2008 9:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
There's just too much to process.
Did we just trade 4 guys and get back 7?
by Matthew on Dec 10, 2008 9:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If you factor in the Bedard trade, we're only down by 1.
This is like a baseball mogul trade
by JI on Dec 10, 2008 9:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
We did not rape them
but it’s a lot better then a Bavasi trade and does help us out
My brain still can’t accept that Endy Chavez is good though
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by I'm NOT Corco on Dec 10, 2008 9:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Lets put it this way
Endy Chavez is a defensive fucking god. Thou shalt appreciate him.
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by future on Dec 10, 2008 9:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
visitor from Royals Review
and Franklin Gutierrez looks like Endy, Jr. Except he’s familiar with this “hitting” all the kids are raving about.
I hate you all.
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by devil_fingers on Dec 10, 2008 9:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I believe it but my brain doesn't
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by I'm NOT Corco on Dec 10, 2008 9:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
but now if he hurts the Cardinals in the postseason, it will be in the World Series.
by eponymous_coward on Dec 10, 2008 9:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Scott Spiezio won me the World Series
I’ll get over it.
by JI on Dec 10, 2008 9:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Being pessimistic for the sake of being pessimistic?
Mariners ----> Brewers.
by Taylor H on Dec 10, 2008 9:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No.
Nonplussed doesn’t mean what you seem to think it means.
by Matthew on Dec 10, 2008 9:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Dictionary.com says you're right.
Mariners ----> Brewers.
by Taylor H on Dec 10, 2008 9:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Fuck. My emotions are running the gamut. Sorry you won't be singing Thunderstruck anymore, Silas, but we just made a great deal.
Can I keep the JJ poster up?
Screw you, Mariners. I'm back in football's loving arms. *edit: well, shit. This isn't going well.
by kevin_ess on Dec 10, 2008 9:03 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Good stuff
Adopted Giant: Aaron King
Wearing the crown by 2011. Or at least the LOOGY hat
by baetown415 on Dec 10, 2008 9:04 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
this team will not score a lot of runs but will catch every fucking ball hit into the outfield
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by I'm NOT Corco on Dec 10, 2008 9:05 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Suddenly Jarrod Washburn really, really wants to stay in Seattle next year...
Patriotism, Pepper, Professionalism
by esoteric on Dec 10, 2008 10:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Suddenly, I'm a little excited for Jarrod Washburn starts
by seattlebruin on Dec 10, 2008 11:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
But how much is this greatly-improved OF defense really going to impact him?
I know he’s an extreme fly-ball pitcher, but still.
Mariners ----> Brewers.
by Taylor H on Dec 11, 2008 8:26 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Remember when Ryan Franklin won 17 games for us and everyone thought he as a great pitcher?
by seattlebruin on Dec 11, 2008 9:29 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh God, you were like eight this happened, huh?
by seattlebruin on Dec 11, 2008 9:29 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
At least I was in middle school...
I think…What year was that?
by BrianL on Dec 11, 2008 10:16 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Franklin won 11 games in 2003.
But that’s the most wins he ever had in a season.
Are you thinking Pineiro? This was in the four-year span where I pretty much stopped paying attention to baseball, so I don’t remember it well.
by Teej on Dec 11, 2008 8:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Fuck, it must have been Abbott
for some reason I always mix those two up
by seattlebruin on Dec 14, 2008 12:19 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The same way having a great outfield helped him in Anaheim, I imagine.
So . . . he’ll get a big contract after 2009. My guess is with the Reds.
by Teej on Dec 11, 2008 8:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
the minor leaguers we got
They don’t look too bad. Obviously Carp is the prize of the group, but Astacio looks like a good, speedy outfielder who knows how to take a walk, and Vargas looks like a decent loogy candidate.
by Turdburglar on Dec 10, 2008 9:05 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Carrera, you mean.
Not Astacio.
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by JY on Dec 10, 2008 9:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Polarizing Trade
Seems like half the M’s fans like this and half hate this.
I think it’s a solid trade. At first I hated it knowing how poorly Gutierrez hit last year but then I remembered he is a pretty damn good defender.
The other pieces are also solid. Heilman could start or close and it wasn’t too long ago that he was a pretty good setup man. Either way he’s another piece we could flip for valve later on. And getting 4 interesting though not spectular minor leaguers is also pretty solid.
by thebiz on Dec 10, 2008 9:06 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
The entire KJR staff and their listeners
but they don’t count.
by BrianL on Dec 10, 2008 9:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Let's just say Baker's commenters have a different view
Or, what Goose said
by Nick S on Dec 10, 2008 9:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I initially hated this trade
but once I saw the defense! part of it I realized it was good
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by I'm NOT Corco on Dec 10, 2008 9:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I initially hated this trade
but once I read what Dave and Jeff had to say about it I realized it was good, seeing as I get virtually all my baseball opinions from them.
Mariners ----> Brewers.
by Taylor H on Dec 10, 2008 9:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
thats what everyone does
But no one will admit it
http://marinersmania.com/forums
by outtathequestion on Dec 10, 2008 9:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Many of my MC folks are against this. I'm trying to talk sense into them.
Uphill battle.
Screw you, Mariners. I'm back in football's loving arms. *edit: well, shit. This isn't going well.
by kevin_ess on Dec 10, 2008 9:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I can see why, defense doesn't jump off the page like an offensive line.
I’m looking forward to watching these guys roam the outfield.
by dpseadv on Dec 10, 2008 9:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
but, but ....
KJR says we should be really disappointed in Zduriencik’s first deal.
by msb on Dec 10, 2008 9:07 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I want to run up to the Gasman and hit him squarely in the face with an Endy Chavez bobblehead.
Mariners ----> Brewers.
by Taylor H on Dec 10, 2008 9:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This is why I said that Z wont be the GM when we win but he will be the reason
by Robert on Dec 10, 2008 9:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I get the opinion that Z can't swear and says dog gummit alot
by Robert on Dec 10, 2008 9:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Z has people skills.
DePo, not so much.
by eponymous_coward on Dec 10, 2008 9:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
KJR promoted Ian Furness and demoted Dave Grosby.
Groz was pretty much the only one with knowledge on that whole staff.
Yesterday's Pants
A blog-thingy about the Mariners and stuff.
by BrettJMiller on Dec 10, 2008 9:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
well, not really.
Groz was the one whose contract was up just as KJR was ready to retrench.
by msb on Dec 10, 2008 9:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
So we're trading Heilman, right?
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by I'm NOT Corco on Dec 10, 2008 9:08 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Well...
we are kinda short on fungible bullpen arms right now.
by eponymous_coward on Dec 10, 2008 9:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
True
but Heilman wants to start, so if we could give him + say Halman for a couple decent bullpen arms that would be great
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by I'm NOT Corco on Dec 10, 2008 9:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The fuck?
Why would you deal away Halman for relief help?
by Matthew on Dec 10, 2008 9:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If it were multiple pieces of really good relief help, yes
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by I'm NOT Corco on Dec 10, 2008 9:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
So Heilman+ a C+ prospect then
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by I'm NOT Corco on Dec 10, 2008 9:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
My guess is that he gets Koch'd to a dumb team in 2010
by JI on Dec 10, 2008 9:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
KOCH PUNCH
Can't wait for Ruskell to knock this one out of the park.
by abender20 on Dec 10, 2008 9:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
also I am wasted right now I
as classes ended tonight so M’s players == >God and other teams players =<Mike Morse
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by I'm NOT Corco on Dec 10, 2008 9:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
good english. you earned it
Can't wait for Ruskell to knock this one out of the park.
by abender20 on Dec 10, 2008 9:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
or I'm vastly underrating Heilman and Halman
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by I'm NOT Corco on Dec 10, 2008 9:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
To quote JI, he's Aaron Heilman.
Whoc ares what he wants?
by BrianL on Dec 10, 2008 9:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Did the Mets ever make him the closer?
I’d say “sorry, we’re full up with starters, but we have this relief ace job open”. Better him than Beluga Tits.
by eponymous_coward on Dec 10, 2008 9:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Appropriate that perhaps the final TwSG was him going crazy.
by Matthew on Dec 10, 2008 9:09 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I can't wait until next Tuesday now.
That climax was pretty spectacular. Can’t wait for the denouement…
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by PositivePaul on Dec 10, 2008 9:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't see how people think Z could've done better than this...
I mean come on, he not only made us better as of right now, but he brought in some prospects as well. And atleast now you can say the mariners are good at SOMETHING. (outfield defense) Instead of nothing, like last year.
by Turdburglar on Dec 10, 2008 9:09 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
People don't know how to properly evaluate defense.
Strike that, people don’t want to look at defense as part of a roster move.
by BrianL on Dec 10, 2008 9:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This is encouraging, I'd like to think Zduriencik is building a team that fits Safeco.
Bavasi just… I don’t know. Didn’t fucking get it.
by dpseadv on Dec 10, 2008 9:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
FWIW, Vargas missed all of 2008 with a hip injury.
So, you know, we’re cornering the market on those.
by Matthew on Dec 10, 2008 9:10 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
He was faking because his agent told him to
by JI on Dec 10, 2008 9:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He was faking so he could get traded to the Mariners to LEAD THEM TO THE WORLD SERIES!!
Oh yeah, I brought it back.
by Matthew on Dec 10, 2008 9:12 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I hear that Beltre/Clement for Braun deal is still on the table
by JI on Dec 10, 2008 9:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I heard we're trading Putz for Fielder.
And Rasmus may be involved.
by acblue on Dec 10, 2008 9:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You can't trade Raben until a year after you draft him.
by Robert on Dec 10, 2008 9:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You can't trade kickers or punters at all.
by acblue on Dec 10, 2008 9:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I rather us keep Hass and hope that can make the transition from the WCO a few years down the line.
by Robert on Dec 10, 2008 9:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hass is 33 and has an injury history.
And he’s never been good on long passes that are the Air Coryell norm.
by BrianL on Dec 10, 2008 9:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Say what you want about the man's coaching ability
but Willingham will bring the integrity that the program desperately needs right now
by Robert on Dec 10, 2008 9:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And Jim Mora is the next coach of the Hawks!
so we won’t miss a beat…
by eponymous_coward on Dec 10, 2008 9:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
and pujols
Can't wait for Ruskell to knock this one out of the park.
by abender20 on Dec 10, 2008 9:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I miss Zduriencik already :(
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by Jack Moore on Dec 10, 2008 9:14 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
You can't have him back!
Mariners ----> Brewers.
by Taylor H on Dec 10, 2008 9:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
can we at least get a sandwich pick for him
you guys wouldn’t even lose anything
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by Jack Moore on Dec 10, 2008 9:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Only if we get a shortstop to replace our old JJ!
And that Gallardo guy. He looks like he has veteran grit.
Mariners ----> Brewers.
by Taylor H on Dec 10, 2008 9:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
he's pretty scrappy too
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by Jack Moore on Dec 10, 2008 10:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
We'll give yoiu a sandwich from Denny's
Monte Cristo, with extra jelly.
by eponymous_coward on Dec 10, 2008 9:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This confused me until I realized you must be a BrewCrew fan..
by seattlesundevil on Dec 10, 2008 9:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I figured the avatar made it kinda obvious
but hey you never know I guess
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by Jack Moore on Dec 10, 2008 9:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
A lot of people turn those off.
It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray
by Faux on Dec 10, 2008 9:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Big threads load like molasses for me if I leave them on.
by dpseadv on Dec 10, 2008 9:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
BCB is a little lower traffic than here.
The largest thread I saw there was about 700.
It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray
by Faux on Dec 10, 2008 9:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
My computer is also 1.8 Ghz, so that probably doesn't help much.
I think the newer computers could probably launch a potato into space on processing power alone, but I haven’t looked at speeds lately. I’d probably just cry.
by dpseadv on Dec 10, 2008 9:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
GHz aren't everything.
But if you’re talking like that, it’s probably outdated enough that it wouldn’t matter.
It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray
by Faux on Dec 10, 2008 9:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Mac G5. It's gritty and has a lot of hustle. Pretty good situational hitter as well.
It’s 4 years old, in computer years that’s right on the edge of old I think.
by dpseadv on Dec 10, 2008 9:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
ok, straighten Elise out on the trade, Churchill
by msb on Dec 10, 2008 9:15 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Jason isn't real thrilled.
He thinks they should have gotten something more for JJ.
He did point out the importance of defense.
by msb on Dec 10, 2008 9:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
he could have been a bit more emphatic.
and Elise took it that she should still be disappointed. she supports the rebuilding, but thinks they should have gotten Mike Carp and a couple of ‘better’ minor league prospects — and she missed his explanation that Green & Reed are easily replaceable parts
by msb on Dec 10, 2008 9:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, if it had been JJ=>Joyce straight up, it would have been better.
You figure JJ HAS to be more valuable to the Tigers than Edwin Jackson, though the Tigers were stupid enough to trade Joyce for Jackson, so who knows.
by eponymous_coward on Dec 10, 2008 9:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
So Maikel Cleto
Our answer to Chone?
by Bearskin Rugburn on Dec 10, 2008 9:15 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
We have a Mayckol too.
He may be up from the VSL soon.
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/
by JY on Dec 10, 2008 9:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I love you, Robert. You fucking crack me up.
Screw you, Mariners. I'm back in football's loving arms. *edit: well, shit. This isn't going well.
by kevin_ess on Dec 10, 2008 9:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Mondays with Mike!
Mariners ----> Brewers.
by Taylor H on Dec 10, 2008 9:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I get my opinions on baseball talent from people who know more than me about baseball talent
and hey look I’m not ashamed of it
Determined, Jonesing Commentor | Proud proprietor of Washingtonhighways.org
by I'm NOT Corco on Dec 10, 2008 9:19 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
and hey, I trust them more because they know more than me
If they started talking about highways I’d chase my intuition but since I know J/M/G/Dave/DMZ know more than me I’ll listen to them
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by I'm NOT Corco on Dec 10, 2008 9:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Is this a reply fail to the Churchill and Elise comment? Or is this a big whoosh right over my head?
by dpseadv on Dec 10, 2008 9:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No this is me being drunk and all my friends saying the Mariners got raped
and me saying “Look, people who know more than you do say they got a good deal, and they have good reason to back it all up, so I’m rolling with them”
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by I'm NOT Corco on Dec 10, 2008 9:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh gotcha. My friends hated Winn and were happy to see him leave. I don't really talk to any of those people anymore.
by dpseadv on Dec 10, 2008 9:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The Foppert/JoeJessica deal was not horrible though
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by I'm NOT Corco on Dec 10, 2008 9:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I've been listening to nothing but Thunderstruck for the last few hours
This is getting unhealthy…
BOOYA! You got Slurved!
by Slurvey on Dec 10, 2008 9:20 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Quick comment on those prospects from NY
“Cleto is a 19-year-old with a 94-97 mph fastball and has a potientially bright future as either a starter and closer and Carerra looks to be a Juan Pierre with more power”
by bon_ton on Dec 10, 2008 9:23 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
We really gave up a fuck-ton in this deal
I hope Putz is worth it.
"I got my pregnant wife (the Yankee fan) with me. Hoping my kid learns to kick her everytime the Mets score." -Schifftis-
by future on Dec 10, 2008 9:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Jeremy Reed on Google
Jeremy Reed is #1 on Google Hot Trends right now. First and last time for everything!
by solap1 on Dec 10, 2008 9:25 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
haha
how did you even notice that.
This is all the Mets fans trying to figure out who the hell he is.
http://marinersmania.com/forums
by outtathequestion on Dec 10, 2008 9:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It looks that all the people the Mets got are in the top 20.
I suppose if you have 8 million people googling these guys at once, that’ll do it.
by Fin on Dec 10, 2008 10:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And JJ is number 10
while Sean Green takes number 31
by JMKaustin on Dec 10, 2008 9:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Alright everyone, I gotta actually get some work done tonight
So I am gonna check out for awhile.. What a fun night though!
by seattlesundevil on Dec 10, 2008 9:27 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
This move basically established that Lopez will be the starter this season!
and Yuni is untouchable
by Fogel on Dec 10, 2008 9:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The New Flagship Station of the Ms
Sports
Yankees land Sabathia, a $161 million man
The New York Yankees landed a big prize for their new ballpark. CC Sabathia and the Yankees agreed Wednesday to the framework of a $161 million, seven-year contract after general manager Brian Cashman dashed off to California to meet with the pitcher and his wife.
updated 1 min. ago
* Yankees land Sabathia, a $161 million man (updated 1 min. ago)
* Putz goes to Mets in 3-team trade with Indians (updated 18 min. ago)
* No. 4 Gonzaga beats Washington State 74-52 (updated 28 min. ago)
by msb on Dec 10, 2008 9:30 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
But hey, at least they have Bill Swartz blogging for them!
by eponymous_coward on Dec 10, 2008 9:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
as far as I can tell
their Sports Director (who sent himself to the Winter Meetings) spent his whole time sightseeing, going to shows and occasionally going through the lobby and talking to those former Mariner FO guys he recognised.
by msb on Dec 10, 2008 9:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
May Putz need Tommy John Surgery
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by I'm NOT Corco on Dec 10, 2008 9:32 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
What? Fuck that/you.
the other angels fan
by Eyebrows on Dec 10, 2008 9:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I hope JJ smacks for the Mets
but that’s about the only player I want to do well for a NY team.
http://marinersmania.com/forums
by outtathequestion on Dec 10, 2008 9:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Fuck you in the eye with a squirrel
May JJ own all manner of ass.
by Graham on Dec 10, 2008 9:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Not a squirrel. How about a nutria?
Screw you, Mariners. I'm back in football's loving arms. *edit: well, shit. This isn't going well.