Done Deal
by Jeff Sullivan on Dec 10, 2008 8:27 PM PST
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Thanks for everything, JJ.
To Seattle:
Aaron Heilman
Franklin Gutierrez
Mike Carp
Endy Chavez
To New York:
JJ Putz
Jeremy Reed
Sean Green
To Cleveland:
Joe Smith
Luis Valbuena
There may be another prospect in there somewhere, but who knows. There are the major names.
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Wednesdays with Franklin Gutierrez
just doesn’t have the same ring to it
by Will Kier on Dec 10, 2008 8:30 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Were Tuesdays with Sean Green conditional on him playing for the M's?
by FlaskInSafeco on Dec 10, 2008 8:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
seriously that was by far the best part of LL
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Juuuust a bit outside!!
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by Jack Moore on Dec 10, 2008 9:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Zuh?
I just got home from a 13-hour day. What happened?
by katal on Dec 10, 2008 8:32 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
How to tell if there's been big news regarding the Mariners by checking USSM
“Error establishing a database connection”
by eponymous_coward on Dec 10, 2008 8:34 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Pravda has it.
The Mariners would receive right-handed pitcher Aaron Heilman, outfielder Endy Chavez and first baseman Mike Carp from the Mets along with outfielder Franklin Gutierrez from the Indians.
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/
by JY on Dec 10, 2008 8:34 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
You mean
Putz, Reed, Green, Valbuena.
I like this.
by eponymous_coward on Dec 10, 2008 8:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Not as happy that Valbuena's in it.
We need middle infielders with non-crappy defense.
by eponymous_coward on Dec 10, 2008 8:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
All told, though, this beats any Bavasi trade by a million miles.
And Loafie and Wlad could still get flipped. So yeah.
by eponymous_coward on Dec 10, 2008 8:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No mention of the Indian minor leaguers?
by Goose on Dec 10, 2008 8:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Pravda wouldn't know until someone told them.
It’s just further confirmation at this point.
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/
by JY on Dec 10, 2008 8:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Holy fuck
Welcome to Sexytropolis City, we just pulled off a great deal
by Nick S on Dec 10, 2008 8:36 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Really?
I think the Mets got the best of this one. Heilman, Chavez and Smith for Putz, Reed and Green?
Adavantage, Omar.
by tait644 on Dec 10, 2008 9:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, yeah.
But the Mariners still did quite well.
by acblue on Dec 10, 2008 9:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It makes more sense if he goes to Cleveland.
by JI on Dec 10, 2008 8:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No kidding
I mean, it’s neat to add another guy I wanted us to get, but what?
by Jeff Sullivan on Dec 10, 2008 8:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Crossing my fingers
But if we get Chavez there’s really no downside here at all
by JI on Dec 10, 2008 8:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Can I ask what's great about Chavez?
I look at him and I see a 30 year old who hasn’t done a whole lot.
by katal on Dec 10, 2008 8:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Baker says we're getting him too
It think it’s legit
by JI on Dec 10, 2008 8:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
THUNDER! (ah aha aha ah ah aha ah aha ah)
I don’t know if we were supposed to but every time THUNDER came up I yelled J! J!
BOOYA! You got Slurved!
by Slurvey on Dec 10, 2008 8:38 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Sure
But having a good 4th OF is low on my list of priorities.
by katal on Dec 10, 2008 8:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Get better where you can get better
Chavez is icing
by JI on Dec 10, 2008 8:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Thunderstruck is an awesome kind of requiem for the departure of an awesome Mariner.
BOOYA! You got Slurved!
by Slurvey on Dec 10, 2008 8:40 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
shit, now that you mention it
With JJ leaving, I need a new ring tone.
by katal on Dec 10, 2008 8:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm keeping it. I loved JJ, but love AC/DC more.
Screw you, Mariners. I'm back in football's loving arms. *edit: well, shit. This isn't going well.
by kevin_ess on Dec 10, 2008 8:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Bah
Write a really long trade analysis and can’t submit it because you all crashed our server again. Jerks.
by davidcameron on Dec 10, 2008 8:42 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Sorry.
I checked USSM, saw the server was down, and thus came here.
by eponymous_coward on Dec 10, 2008 8:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It was thunderstruck...
Got to get all of these out of my system…
BOOYA! You got Slurved!
by Slurvey on Dec 10, 2008 8:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
600 comments here
be glad we took as much strain away from USSM as we did
by JI on Dec 10, 2008 8:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I know where you can submit it!
by Jeff Sullivan on Dec 10, 2008 8:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Also:
This wouldn’t be a problem if you wrote a political blog…
by eponymous_coward on Dec 10, 2008 8:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Okay, fine
Rosenthal says it’s a done deal. From the M’s perspective, this is what’s being reported:
M’s trade RHP J.J. Putz, RHP Sean Green, OF Jeremy Reed, and 2B Luis Valbuena for OF Franklin Gutierrez, RHP Aaron Heilman, OF Endy Chavez, 1B Mike Carp, and “minor leaguers” from Cleveland.
Z’s first significant trade is certainly a big one – probably the most interesting trade the M’s have pulled off in five years. Let’s break down the pieces by win value.
Putz (2 wins), Green (1 win), Reed (0.5 wins), and Valbuena (1 win) represent a net loss of about 4.5 wins over replacement level players. Combined, they’ll make about $7 million in 2009, so it’s definitely a valuable group of players – productive and cheap. Putz and Valbuena are the real pieces of value, though – Reed and Green are role players. Valbuena could be a league average second baseman pretty quickly, and the Indians did well to spot him as a guy who could help them long term. I hate giving up Valbuena, as I was hopeful the M’s would sell high on Lopez and keep Luis as his replacement.
However, the M’s aren’t getting a bunch of crap in return.
Gutierrez is a +2 win OF (yes, even with a questionable bat, he’s a league average player) who instantly solves the center field problem. Heilman is a +1 win reliever with an undefined role. He wants to start but isn’t good enough to, so if they can convince him to close, that’s in everyone’s best interests. Chavez is a +1 win OF who will probably share time with Wlad (like Gutierrez, his defense is other worldly), and Carp is a +0 win prospect with moderate upside – think Lyle Overbay if he develops well.
The M’s ship off about +4.5 wins and get back +4 wins, so you could call it a big push overall, but that’s where the nuances come in. Here are the reasons I like this deal:
1. The +2 win player the M’s are getting back is much younger than the +2 win player they’re giving up, and they have him under team control for a lot longer. For where this team is, Gutierrez is more valuable than Putz.
2. One of Valbuena or Lopez had to go, because there was no way for them to coexist at full value. In that sense, the M’s swapped a prospect at a position of depth for a prospect at a position where they have a gaping hole. I like Valbuena better than Carp, but Carp has a much clearer road to a job in Seattle.
3. By acquiring Gutierrez and Chavez, the M’s just have given themselves the ability to run out of the best outfield defenses in baseball on days where they send a contact pitcher to the hill. A Chavez/Gutierrez/Ichiro outfield will make Silva and Washburn look significantly better than they really are, and by investing in the defense, the M’s have made it possible that they could salvage some value from a pair of bad contracts.
To me, those three things swing this trade into the plus column for the M’s. That doesn’t make it a total home run – Heilman’s desire to start and the loss of Putz and Green make it much more likely that Morrow’s going to remain in the bullpen, Chavez is only under team control for one year, and Gutierrez’s right-handed bat isn’t a great fit for Safeco.
But in this case, I’d say the positive outweigh the negatives. It’s not an outright fleecing like Putz for Joyce would have been (and if that was on the table, I’d have done that before I did this, but it’s quite possible that was never offered), but I’d say that the Mariners are better right now than they were yesterday and they have a brighter future, and that makes this a good trade.
by davidcameron on Dec 10, 2008 8:45 PM PST reply actions 16 recs
Dammit I wasn't serious
Now I need to come up with original thoughts.
by Jeff Sullivan on Dec 10, 2008 8:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Gutierrez looks like a poor man's Mike Cameron.
Not as good, but same sort of skills.
by eponymous_coward on Dec 10, 2008 8:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
the M’s just have given themselves the ability to run out of the best outfield defenses in baseball on days where they send a contact pitcher to the hill
This blows my mind
by Robert on Dec 10, 2008 8:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You remember Winn/Cameron/Ichiro?
Yeah. Good times.
by eponymous_coward on Dec 10, 2008 8:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Puttin Morrow back into the pen?
Heilman says he wants to start, but Morrow also said he doesn’t want to go back to the pen.
Why would we listen to Heilman?
by bon_ton on Dec 10, 2008 8:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Seriously, Morrow has proven that he could be hell of a starter.
But I suppose Heilman kind of has too, I remember watching him pitch a one hitter against the Marlins back in 2005, so he could be good.
by Fin on Dec 10, 2008 9:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Nice rundown, I was looking at the numbers and just scratching my head as to why this is good.
If these guys can improve the outfield defense then terrific!
by dpseadv on Dec 10, 2008 9:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
great deal for the Ms but...
god damn it I’m gonna miss JJ. I had that unconditional love for him similar to the average fan’s love for Willie. I’m half-depressed, half-excited
by IceStormV1 on Dec 10, 2008 8:47 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
It's times like this that my anger over the Bedard trade returns
by katal on Dec 10, 2008 8:51 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
dammit, didn't mean to hit send
… going on… I was about to say, the number of talented youth on this team would have been insane.
by katal on Dec 10, 2008 8:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Also our previous trades with Cleveland.
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/
by JY on Dec 10, 2008 8:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry if this has been posted:
It seems the current three-team trade proposal between the Mariners, Mets and Indians, involving J.J. Putz, came together after another three-team effort fell apart. That prior effort involved the Mariners, Tigers and Tampa Bay Rays.
In that proposal, the Tigers would have kicked first baseman Jeff Larish into the pot, but not outfielder Matt Joyce. No word on whether the Rays would have sent someone to Seattle, but the M’s wound up walking away. At that point, the Tigers turned around and dealt Joyce to the Rays for starter Edwin Jackson.
http://blog.seattletimes.nwsource.com/mariners/2008/12/10/previous_threeway_deal_had_col.html
by Toxicadam on Dec 10, 2008 8:51 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
You're
also getting Jason Vargas.
And Jeff, answer your fucking phone.
"I got my pregnant wife (the Yankee fan) with me. Hoping my kid learns to kick her everytime the Mets score." -Schifftis-
by future on Dec 10, 2008 8:52 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Gutierrez should be our CF
And if you disagree, then just copy and paste this link in your browser. http://mlb.mlb.com/media/video.jsp?mid=200806092880532&c_id=cle
by Turdburglar on Dec 10, 2008 8:53 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
god
he doesn’t even take a good angle to that and he gets it
ridiculous
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by Jack Moore on Dec 10, 2008 9:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
From Baker...
“As well, they get three more minor leaguers from the Mets, right handed pitcher Maikel Cleto, outfielder Ezequiel Carrera and left handed pitcher Jason Vargas.”
BOOYA! You got Slurved!
by Slurvey on Dec 10, 2008 8:54 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
It's a freaking killing
You guys got a ton for Putz. Way to leverage our need for bullpen arms that don’t suck.
Also, I think you will have the greatest outfield defense of all time with Endy, Gutierrez and Ichiro out there.
"I got my pregnant wife (the Yankee fan) with me. Hoping my kid learns to kick her everytime the Mets score." -Schifftis-
by future on Dec 10, 2008 8:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This may be sacrilege
but I trust GMZ with minor leaguers more than even Fontaine. The more prospects we get in this trade, the better.
by katal on Dec 10, 2008 8:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hmmm.
I don’t see it as sacrilege. My thoughts on “Saint Fontaine” have been spelled out somewhat clearly here. He’s far from perfect, and I trust Zduriencik more myself, too.
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by PositivePaul on Dec 10, 2008 9:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Wait what?
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by I'm NOT Corco on Dec 10, 2008 8:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Holy fucking shit
3 more propspects, If this is true GMZ just pulled off a robbery.
by IceStormV1 on Dec 10, 2008 8:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hey, Cleto is 19.
That makes things a bit more interesting.
by acblue on Dec 10, 2008 9:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Wow.
Vargas helps solve out lack of bullpen lefties problem.
Cleto’s a reasonably interesting young arm who was competent, but not dominating in a league he was too young for.
Carrera’s a young left-handed outfield. Not much else I know about him/
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by JY on Dec 10, 2008 9:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I LEAVE THE COMPUTER FOR 2 HOURS AND THIS HAPPENS
HUZZZZAH 1
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by I'm NOT Corco on Dec 10, 2008 8:56 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I feel happy!
This feeling…. it’s so foreign…..
It’s like Morrow’s 1-hitter all over again.
Mariners ----> Brewers.
by Taylor H on Dec 10, 2008 8:57 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I disagree
Then again, GMZ knows whether he wants Morrow in the pen or not. I trust he’ll do what’s best.
by katal on Dec 10, 2008 9:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I figure making Heilman the closer may calm him down because
Promotion!
by JI on Dec 10, 2008 9:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I just went from pissed to stoked to pissed to FUCK YES THIS IS AWESOME
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by I'm NOT Corco on Dec 10, 2008 8:58 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
It isn't anything spectacular
but that’s for the Beltre trade.
by katal on Dec 10, 2008 9:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Clarifying
The trade is spectacular. I’m very pleased.
I meant that none of the players are A-level. That is for when we trade Adrian Beltre.
by katal on Dec 10, 2008 9:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
There's just too much to process.
Did we just trade 4 guys and get back 7?
by Matthew on Dec 10, 2008 9:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If you factor in the Bedard trade, we're only down by 1.
This is like a baseball mogul trade
by JI on Dec 10, 2008 9:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
We did not rape them
but it’s a lot better then a Bavasi trade and does help us out
My brain still can’t accept that Endy Chavez is good though
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by I'm NOT Corco on Dec 10, 2008 9:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Lets put it this way
Endy Chavez is a defensive fucking god. Thou shalt appreciate him.
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by future on Dec 10, 2008 9:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
visitor from Royals Review
and Franklin Gutierrez looks like Endy, Jr. Except he’s familiar with this “hitting” all the kids are raving about.
I hate you all.
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by devil_fingers on Dec 10, 2008 9:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I believe it but my brain doesn't
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by I'm NOT Corco on Dec 10, 2008 9:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
but now if he hurts the Cardinals in the postseason, it will be in the World Series.
by eponymous_coward on Dec 10, 2008 9:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Scott Spiezio won me the World Series
I’ll get over it.
by JI on Dec 10, 2008 9:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Being pessimistic for the sake of being pessimistic?
Mariners ----> Brewers.
by Taylor H on Dec 10, 2008 9:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No.
Nonplussed doesn’t mean what you seem to think it means.
by Matthew on Dec 10, 2008 9:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Dictionary.com says you're right.
Mariners ----> Brewers.
by Taylor H on Dec 10, 2008 9:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Fuck. My emotions are running the gamut. Sorry you won't be singing Thunderstruck anymore, Silas, but we just made a great deal.
Can I keep the JJ poster up?
Screw you, Mariners. I'm back in football's loving arms. *edit: well, shit. This isn't going well.
by kevin_ess on Dec 10, 2008 9:03 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Good stuff
Adopted Giant: Aaron King
Wearing the crown by 2011. Or at least the LOOGY hat
by baetown415 on Dec 10, 2008 9:04 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
this team will not score a lot of runs but will catch every fucking ball hit into the outfield
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by I'm NOT Corco on Dec 10, 2008 9:05 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Suddenly Jarrod Washburn really, really wants to stay in Seattle next year...
Patriotism, Pepper, Professionalism
by esoteric on Dec 10, 2008 10:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Suddenly, I'm a little excited for Jarrod Washburn starts
by seattlebruin on Dec 10, 2008 11:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
But how much is this greatly-improved OF defense really going to impact him?
I know he’s an extreme fly-ball pitcher, but still.
Mariners ----> Brewers.
by Taylor H on Dec 11, 2008 8:26 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Remember when Ryan Franklin won 17 games for us and everyone thought he as a great pitcher?
by seattlebruin on Dec 11, 2008 9:29 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh God, you were like eight this happened, huh?
by seattlebruin on Dec 11, 2008 9:29 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
At least I was in middle school...
I think…What year was that?
by BrianL on Dec 11, 2008 10:16 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Franklin won 11 games in 2003.
But that’s the most wins he ever had in a season.
Are you thinking Pineiro? This was in the four-year span where I pretty much stopped paying attention to baseball, so I don’t remember it well.
by Teej on Dec 11, 2008 8:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Fuck, it must have been Abbott
for some reason I always mix those two up
by seattlebruin on Dec 14, 2008 12:19 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The same way having a great outfield helped him in Anaheim, I imagine.
So . . . he’ll get a big contract after 2009. My guess is with the Reds.
by Teej on Dec 11, 2008 8:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
the minor leaguers we got
They don’t look too bad. Obviously Carp is the prize of the group, but Astacio looks like a good, speedy outfielder who knows how to take a walk, and Vargas looks like a decent loogy candidate.
by Turdburglar on Dec 10, 2008 9:05 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Carrera, you mean.
Not Astacio.
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by JY on Dec 10, 2008 9:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Polarizing Trade
Seems like half the M’s fans like this and half hate this.
I think it’s a solid trade. At first I hated it knowing how poorly Gutierrez hit last year but then I remembered he is a pretty damn good defender.
The other pieces are also solid. Heilman could start or close and it wasn’t too long ago that he was a pretty good setup man. Either way he’s another piece we could flip for valve later on. And getting 4 interesting though not spectular minor leaguers is also pretty solid.
by thebiz on Dec 10, 2008 9:06 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
The entire KJR staff and their listeners
but they don’t count.
by BrianL on Dec 10, 2008 9:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Let's just say Baker's commenters have a different view
Or, what Goose said
by Nick S on Dec 10, 2008 9:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I initially hated this trade
but once I saw the defense! part of it I realized it was good
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by I'm NOT Corco on Dec 10, 2008 9:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I initially hated this trade
but once I read what Dave and Jeff had to say about it I realized it was good, seeing as I get virtually all my baseball opinions from them.
Mariners ----> Brewers.
by Taylor H on Dec 10, 2008 9:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
thats what everyone does
But no one will admit it
http://marinersmania.com/forums
by outtathequestion on Dec 10, 2008 9:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Many of my MC folks are against this. I'm trying to talk sense into them.
Uphill battle.
Screw you, Mariners. I'm back in football's loving arms. *edit: well, shit. This isn't going well.
by kevin_ess on Dec 10, 2008 9:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I can see why, defense doesn't jump off the page like an offensive line.
I’m looking forward to watching these guys roam the outfield.
by dpseadv on Dec 10, 2008 9:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
but, but ....
KJR says we should be really disappointed in Zduriencik’s first deal.
by msb on Dec 10, 2008 9:07 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I want to run up to the Gasman and hit him squarely in the face with an Endy Chavez bobblehead.
Mariners ----> Brewers.
by Taylor H on Dec 10, 2008 9:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This is why I said that Z wont be the GM when we win but he will be the reason
by Robert on Dec 10, 2008 9:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I get the opinion that Z can't swear and says dog gummit alot
by Robert on Dec 10, 2008 9:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Z has people skills.
DePo, not so much.
by eponymous_coward on Dec 10, 2008 9:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
KJR promoted Ian Furness and demoted Dave Grosby.
Groz was pretty much the only one with knowledge on that whole staff.
Yesterday's Pants
A blog-thingy about the Mariners and stuff.
by BrettJMiller on Dec 10, 2008 9:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
well, not really.
Groz was the one whose contract was up just as KJR was ready to retrench.
by msb on Dec 10, 2008 9:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
So we're trading Heilman, right?
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by I'm NOT Corco on Dec 10, 2008 9:08 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Well...
we are kinda short on fungible bullpen arms right now.
by eponymous_coward on Dec 10, 2008 9:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
True
but Heilman wants to start, so if we could give him + say Halman for a couple decent bullpen arms that would be great
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by I'm NOT Corco on Dec 10, 2008 9:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The fuck?
Why would you deal away Halman for relief help?
by Matthew on Dec 10, 2008 9:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If it were multiple pieces of really good relief help, yes
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by I'm NOT Corco on Dec 10, 2008 9:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
So Heilman+ a C+ prospect then
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by I'm NOT Corco on Dec 10, 2008 9:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
My guess is that he gets Koch'd to a dumb team in 2010
by JI on Dec 10, 2008 9:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
KOCH PUNCH
Can't wait for Ruskell to knock this one out of the park.
by abender20 on Dec 10, 2008 9:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
also I am wasted right now I
as classes ended tonight so M’s players == >God and other teams players =<Mike Morse
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by I'm NOT Corco on Dec 10, 2008 9:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
good english. you earned it
Can't wait for Ruskell to knock this one out of the park.
by abender20 on Dec 10, 2008 9:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
or I'm vastly underrating Heilman and Halman
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by I'm NOT Corco on Dec 10, 2008 9:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
To quote JI, he's Aaron Heilman.
Whoc ares what he wants?
by BrianL on Dec 10, 2008 9:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Did the Mets ever make him the closer?
I’d say “sorry, we’re full up with starters, but we have this relief ace job open”. Better him than Beluga Tits.
by eponymous_coward on Dec 10, 2008 9:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Appropriate that perhaps the final TwSG was him going crazy.
by Matthew on Dec 10, 2008 9:09 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I can't wait until next Tuesday now.
That climax was pretty spectacular. Can’t wait for the denouement…
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by PositivePaul on Dec 10, 2008 9:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't see how people think Z could've done better than this...
I mean come on, he not only made us better as of right now, but he brought in some prospects as well. And atleast now you can say the mariners are good at SOMETHING. (outfield defense) Instead of nothing, like last year.
by Turdburglar on Dec 10, 2008 9:09 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
People don't know how to properly evaluate defense.
Strike that, people don’t want to look at defense as part of a roster move.
by BrianL on Dec 10, 2008 9:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This is encouraging, I'd like to think Zduriencik is building a team that fits Safeco.
Bavasi just… I don’t know. Didn’t fucking get it.
by dpseadv on Dec 10, 2008 9:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
FWIW, Vargas missed all of 2008 with a hip injury.
So, you know, we’re cornering the market on those.
by Matthew on Dec 10, 2008 9:10 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
He was faking because his agent told him to
by JI on Dec 10, 2008 9:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He was faking so he could get traded to the Mariners to LEAD THEM TO THE WORLD SERIES!!
Oh yeah, I brought it back.
by Matthew on Dec 10, 2008 9:12 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I hear that Beltre/Clement for Braun deal is still on the table
by JI on Dec 10, 2008 9:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I heard we're trading Putz for Fielder.
And Rasmus may be involved.
by acblue on Dec 10, 2008 9:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You can't trade Raben until a year after you draft him.
by Robert on Dec 10, 2008 9:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You can't trade kickers or punters at all.
by acblue on Dec 10, 2008 9:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I rather us keep Hass and hope that can make the transition from the WCO a few years down the line.
by Robert on Dec 10, 2008 9:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hass is 33 and has an injury history.
And he’s never been good on long passes that are the Air Coryell norm.
by BrianL on Dec 10, 2008 9:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Say what you want about the man's coaching ability
but Willingham will bring the integrity that the program desperately needs right now
by Robert on Dec 10, 2008 9:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And Jim Mora is the next coach of the Hawks!
so we won’t miss a beat…
by eponymous_coward on Dec 10, 2008 9:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
and pujols
Can't wait for Ruskell to knock this one out of the park.
by abender20 on Dec 10, 2008 9:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I miss Zduriencik already :(
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Juuuust a bit outside!!
http://www.rightfieldbleachers.com
by Jack Moore on Dec 10, 2008 9:14 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
You can't have him back!
Mariners ----> Brewers.
by Taylor H on Dec 10, 2008 9:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
can we at least get a sandwich pick for him
you guys wouldn’t even lose anything
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Juuuust a bit outside!!
http://www.rightfieldbleachers.com
by Jack Moore on Dec 10, 2008 9:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Only if we get a shortstop to replace our old JJ!
And that Gallardo guy. He looks like he has veteran grit.
Mariners ----> Brewers.
by Taylor H on Dec 10, 2008 9:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
he's pretty scrappy too
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Juuuust a bit outside!!
http://www.rightfieldbleachers.com
by Jack Moore on Dec 10, 2008 10:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
We'll give yoiu a sandwich from Denny's
Monte Cristo, with extra jelly.
by eponymous_coward on Dec 10, 2008 9:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This confused me until I realized you must be a BrewCrew fan..
by seattlesundevil on Dec 10, 2008 9:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I figured the avatar made it kinda obvious
but hey you never know I guess
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Juuuust a bit outside!!
http://www.rightfieldbleachers.com
by Jack Moore on Dec 10, 2008 9:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
A lot of people turn those off.
It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray
by Faux on Dec 10, 2008 9:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Big threads load like molasses for me if I leave them on.
by dpseadv on Dec 10, 2008 9:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
BCB is a little lower traffic than here.
The largest thread I saw there was about 700.
It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray
by Faux on Dec 10, 2008 9:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
My computer is also 1.8 Ghz, so that probably doesn't help much.
I think the newer computers could probably launch a potato into space on processing power alone, but I haven’t looked at speeds lately. I’d probably just cry.
by dpseadv on Dec 10, 2008 9:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
GHz aren't everything.
But if you’re talking like that, it’s probably outdated enough that it wouldn’t matter.
It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray
by Faux on Dec 10, 2008 9:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Mac G5. It's gritty and has a lot of hustle. Pretty good situational hitter as well.
It’s 4 years old, in computer years that’s right on the edge of old I think.
by dpseadv on Dec 10, 2008 9:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
ok, straighten Elise out on the trade, Churchill
by msb on Dec 10, 2008 9:15 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Jason isn't real thrilled.
He thinks they should have gotten something more for JJ.
He did point out the importance of defense.
by msb on Dec 10, 2008 9:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
he could have been a bit more emphatic.
and Elise took it that she should still be disappointed. she supports the rebuilding, but thinks they should have gotten Mike Carp and a couple of ‘better’ minor league prospects — and she missed his explanation that Green & Reed are easily replaceable parts
by msb on Dec 10, 2008 9:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, if it had been JJ=>Joyce straight up, it would have been better.
You figure JJ HAS to be more valuable to the Tigers than Edwin Jackson, though the Tigers were stupid enough to trade Joyce for Jackson, so who knows.
by eponymous_coward on Dec 10, 2008 9:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
So Maikel Cleto
Our answer to Chone?
by Bearskin Rugburn on Dec 10, 2008 9:15 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
We have a Mayckol too.
He may be up from the VSL soon.
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/
by JY on Dec 10, 2008 9:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I love you, Robert. You fucking crack me up.
Screw you, Mariners. I'm back in football's loving arms. *edit: well, shit. This isn't going well.
by kevin_ess on Dec 10, 2008 9:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Mondays with Mike!
Mariners ----> Brewers.
by Taylor H on Dec 10, 2008 9:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I get my opinions on baseball talent from people who know more than me about baseball talent
and hey look I’m not ashamed of it
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by I'm NOT Corco on Dec 10, 2008 9:19 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
and hey, I trust them more because they know more than me
If they started talking about highways I’d chase my intuition but since I know J/M/G/Dave/DMZ know more than me I’ll listen to them
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by I'm NOT Corco on Dec 10, 2008 9:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Is this a reply fail to the Churchill and Elise comment? Or is this a big whoosh right over my head?
by dpseadv on Dec 10, 2008 9:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No this is me being drunk and all my friends saying the Mariners got raped
and me saying “Look, people who know more than you do say they got a good deal, and they have good reason to back it all up, so I’m rolling with them”
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by I'm NOT Corco on Dec 10, 2008 9:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh gotcha. My friends hated Winn and were happy to see him leave. I don't really talk to any of those people anymore.
by dpseadv on Dec 10, 2008 9:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The Foppert/JoeJessica deal was not horrible though
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by I'm NOT Corco on Dec 10, 2008 9:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I've been listening to nothing but Thunderstruck for the last few hours
This is getting unhealthy…
BOOYA! You got Slurved!
by Slurvey on Dec 10, 2008 9:20 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Quick comment on those prospects from NY
“Cleto is a 19-year-old with a 94-97 mph fastball and has a potientially bright future as either a starter and closer and Carerra looks to be a Juan Pierre with more power”
by bon_ton on Dec 10, 2008 9:23 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
We really gave up a fuck-ton in this deal
I hope Putz is worth it.
"I got my pregnant wife (the Yankee fan) with me. Hoping my kid learns to kick her everytime the Mets score." -Schifftis-
by future on Dec 10, 2008 9:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Jeremy Reed on Google
Jeremy Reed is #1 on Google Hot Trends right now. First and last time for everything!
by solap1 on Dec 10, 2008 9:25 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
haha
how did you even notice that.
This is all the Mets fans trying to figure out who the hell he is.
http://marinersmania.com/forums
by outtathequestion on Dec 10, 2008 9:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It looks that all the people the Mets got are in the top 20.
I suppose if you have 8 million people googling these guys at once, that’ll do it.
by Fin on Dec 10, 2008 10:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And JJ is number 10
while Sean Green takes number 31
by JMKaustin on Dec 10, 2008 9:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Alright everyone, I gotta actually get some work done tonight
So I am gonna check out for awhile.. What a fun night though!
by seattlesundevil on Dec 10, 2008 9:27 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
This move basically established that Lopez will be the starter this season!
and Yuni is untouchable
by Fogel on Dec 10, 2008 9:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The New Flagship Station of the Ms
Sports
Yankees land Sabathia, a $161 million man
The New York Yankees landed a big prize for their new ballpark. CC Sabathia and the Yankees agreed Wednesday to the framework of a $161 million, seven-year contract after general manager Brian Cashman dashed off to California to meet with the pitcher and his wife.
updated 1 min. ago
* Yankees land Sabathia, a $161 million man (updated 1 min. ago)
* Putz goes to Mets in 3-team trade with Indians (updated 18 min. ago)
* No. 4 Gonzaga beats Washington State 74-52 (updated 28 min. ago)
by msb on Dec 10, 2008 9:30 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
But hey, at least they have Bill Swartz blogging for them!
by eponymous_coward on Dec 10, 2008 9:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
as far as I can tell
their Sports Director (who sent himself to the Winter Meetings) spent his whole time sightseeing, going to shows and occasionally going through the lobby and talking to those former Mariner FO guys he recognised.
by msb on Dec 10, 2008 9:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
May Putz need Tommy John Surgery
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by I'm NOT Corco on Dec 10, 2008 9:32 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
What? Fuck that/you.
the other angels fan
by Eyebrows on Dec 10, 2008 9:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I hope JJ smacks for the Mets
but that’s about the only player I want to do well for a NY team.
http://marinersmania.com/forums
by outtathequestion on Dec 10, 2008 9:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Fuck you in the eye with a squirrel
May JJ own all manner of ass.
by Graham on Dec 10, 2008 9:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Not a squirrel. How about a nutria?
Screw you, Mariners. I'm back in football's loving arms. *edit: well, shit. This isn't going well.
by kevin_ess on Dec 10, 2008 9:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Only one hesitation....
This doesn’t improve our incredibly stagnant offense one bit.
That’s next. We need a DH, and we need power (or at least, gap power.)
Who do we go after now? What’s left to trade away? Beltre?
by J.W. Pezzino on Dec 10, 2008 9:33 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
The gain in OF defense offsets the loss of Raul's bat.
by acblue on Dec 10, 2008 9:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with you...
But even with Raul’s bat we didn’t score nearly enough runs.
I guess the real answer is “Hey, we’re rebuilding…gotta take the pain for a little while longer.” Can’t fix the world in one trade.
by J.W. Pezzino on Dec 10, 2008 9:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The Mariner defense was really, REALLY awful last year, as were 1B/DH+an OF.
It’s quite possible that we’re better on offense AND defense minus Raul, Sexson, Reed and Turbo, with Gutierrez, Chavez, Shelton and Branyan taking their playing time.
by eponymous_coward on Dec 10, 2008 9:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Runs saved on defense = runs saved on offense.
Also, consider that Branyan and Shelton > Turbo and Sexson.
Also, consider that we just shaved 5 million and change off the payroll. We’re not done yet.
by eponymous_coward on Dec 10, 2008 9:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Runs saved on defence for a rebuilding team that needs to pump up pitcher value > runs gained on offence
by Graham on Dec 10, 2008 9:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Sure, that too.
I actually think we might end up getting rid of one of the Trio of Suck by spring training, truth be told.
by eponymous_coward on Dec 10, 2008 9:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah I think so too
All bets on Washburn.
http://marinersmania.com/forums
by outtathequestion on Dec 10, 2008 9:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
My guess will Silva could be gone by July 31st.
If the outfield helps him out enough.
by Fin on Dec 10, 2008 9:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Chavez in LF
Wlad/Kenji/Clement platoon?
by Robert on Dec 10, 2008 9:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
wasnt Maikal Cleto that movie with George Clooney?
Can't wait for Ruskell to knock this one out of the park.
by abender20 on Dec 10, 2008 9:33 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Putz saving his anger for later...
"It’s a new challenge and I’m excited about it,‘’ Putz said. "I’m going to a new team that’s going to be very competitive. Frankie’s a great closer and with Sean Green going as well, we should have a great bullpen.’’
by ThundaPC on Dec 10, 2008 9:34 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
well
“It’s going to be a challenge” in the sports world = “#$$%#%%#!!!!!!!!!!!!!”
http://marinersmania.com/forums
by outtathequestion on Dec 10, 2008 9:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, he must be real pissed about leaving the Mariners and going to pitch for a competetive team in New York...
by Matthew on Dec 10, 2008 9:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Not when he steals the closer role from K-Rod
by beating his head in with a bat.
by Edgar for Pres on Dec 10, 2008 9:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
he already has said
he doesn’t wanna be a set-up man.
http://marinersmania.com/forums
by outtathequestion on Dec 10, 2008 9:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
So in other words...
K-rod might end up dead in the next few days?
BOOYA! You got Slurved!
by Slurvey on Dec 10, 2008 9:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't see how you made this conclusion.
Mariners ----> Brewers.
by Taylor H on Dec 11, 2008 9:17 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
So this seems like each team wins.
Incredible.
by Matthew on Dec 10, 2008 9:36 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Bullshit
I like screwing the other team over
by JI on Dec 10, 2008 9:41 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Omar Minaya must have just watched the 2007 Allstar game
by Robert on Dec 10, 2008 9:36 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Isn't Castillo still their 2nd baseman?
It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray
by Faux on Dec 10, 2008 9:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm a little concerned that Heilman's tRA has increased in each of his last 4 years (3.21 in '05 to 5.07 in '08).
And his walk rate shot through the roof last year.
by Phildopip on Dec 10, 2008 9:36 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Walk rate and K rate went bonkers.
Lost some groundballs. I’m guessing he was trying to pitch up more with more fastballs and… well basically had your usual “power pitcher” results.
Fans are typically idiots.
by The Typical Idiot Fan on Dec 10, 2008 9:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Messed up knee
And with all the over-use that Willie put him through, he needed to heal, he never got that chance.
If he’s healthy, that change-up is devastating. He’s a two pitch pitcher but they’re two awfully good ones.
If the Ms let him try to make the rotation, he can bring back the curveball that Rick Peterson made him drop, which IIRC was actually a good pitch.
"I got my pregnant wife (the Yankee fan) with me. Hoping my kid learns to kick her everytime the Mets score." -Schifftis-
by future on Dec 10, 2008 9:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
So i shouldn't tell you i got
6th row tickets for the show in Houston Sunday night?
by laxtonto on Dec 10, 2008 9:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Omar Minaya
Just traded for 3 white players…
http://marinersmania.com/forums
by outtathequestion on Dec 10, 2008 9:37 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
One of the conditions is that JJ has to change one of his J's to Jesus.
by Robert on Dec 10, 2008 9:38 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
O_O
Fans are typically idiots.
by The Typical Idiot Fan on Dec 10, 2008 9:38 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Silly Omar
Did he say he wanted Green? He really meant he wanted Silva. Sorry for the mixup, Mets. Hey, since we like you guys, we’ll just give you Silva for free. You can keep Green. No, really, it’s fine.
NO GIVESIES BACKSIES.
http://marinersmania.com/forums
by outtathequestion on Dec 10, 2008 9:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Newsday Reporting M's Actually Get Seven Players
by TroutMask on Dec 10, 2008 9:39 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Boy you really are late.
Fans are typically idiots.
by The Typical Idiot Fan on Dec 10, 2008 9:40 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I still dont understand any Star Trek stuff.
I know there is a Spock with ears and something to do with William Shatner. Oh, and there is a guy who has a face shaped like an Iguana’s back. Thats about it.
by Slica on Dec 10, 2008 9:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm probably part of the "Dennis Miller Ratio" here...
But I laughed. :)
by J.W. Pezzino on Dec 10, 2008 9:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hmmm...
The Mariners are minus the following 2008 salaries:
Sexson
Raul
Turbo
Putz
And they’ve only added maybe 5 million back or so with Heilman, Branyan, etc, right?
So, basically, they just cleared 25 million off the decks, and didn’t get appreciably worse as a team (in fact, arguably better). Not bad. They could make a nice signing and STILL save money on 2008.
by eponymous_coward on Dec 10, 2008 9:45 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Beltre & Felix!!!!
Also, give that Bedard kid some spare change to stick around a few years on the cheap.
It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray
by Faux on Dec 10, 2008 9:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, plus Bedard's arbitration will have to come out of that.
However, they could still ship off (please, please, please) the Washburninator or Beluga Tits.
by eponymous_coward on Dec 10, 2008 9:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
My dad loved Batista the year he won 16 games....
Mariners ----> Brewers.
by Taylor H on Dec 11, 2008 9:19 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You make a good point...
Let’s negate everything by bringing back the “Griffey Nostalgia Tour 2009!”
What?
by J.W. Pezzino on Dec 10, 2008 9:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I said a nice signing.
Rocco Baldelli, for instance.
by eponymous_coward on Dec 10, 2008 9:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
How did I miss this?
I hated Lazy Sunday, but this and the Space Olympics crack me up.
by Teej on Dec 10, 2008 9:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I wonder who's gonna be our #3 and 4 hitters?
It seems like we’ve got a whole bunch of guys that hit 1,2,5,6,7,8,9 in most lineups, but noone who is a legit #3 or 4 hitter. Is Zduriencik thinking of picking up another bat, or are we gonna trade Beltre and get more of the same types of guys?
Because Beltre’s about the only one who you could say maybe could be a 3 or 4 guy.
by Turdburglar on Dec 10, 2008 9:50 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
That's the type of thought process that brought us Sexson.
Every day I hear about Seattle sports' failures. Every night I fall asleep to the sound of my own tears.
by Benne on Dec 10, 2008 9:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Want some butter for your roles?
Or was that a really fucking lame joke.
Fans are typically idiots.
by The Typical Idiot Fan on Dec 10, 2008 9:53 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
If only it was December 10 instead of the day before Opening Day, and we could still make roster moves.
And it’s not like we’ve dropped something like 25 million off the payroll since the end of the season.
Have a little patience. The 2009 team’s not done yet. Plus I think that the best case
scenario of a team rebuild is a long shot at best, so a somewhat flawed M’s team that goes from 62 wins to 82 wins without a good cleanup hitter should make us pretty damned happy.
by eponymous_coward on Dec 10, 2008 9:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I have no idea how Sean Green is going to survive in the city that never sleeps.
by Slica on Dec 10, 2008 9:52 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Go crazy, of course.
Every day I hear about Seattle sports' failures. Every night I fall asleep to the sound of my own tears.
by Benne on Dec 10, 2008 9:52 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Bavasi brought us Sexson, Zduriencik in the same thought process would not make the same mistake.
by Turdburglar on Dec 10, 2008 9:53 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
"We need a #3 and #4 hitter." is not a good thought process.
We just need a better overall team.
by ThundaPC on Dec 10, 2008 9:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Lopez might bat at one of those spots.
Then he can rack up stats thanks to Ichiro and get a 12 year contract with us. : D
by Slica on Dec 10, 2008 10:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Because he wouldn't think 'What we really need is a #3 or 4 hitter'
It’s a fundamentally unsound way of building a roster. Bavasi wasn’t bad at tactic moves, he was terrible at determined strategies, because his obsession with roles led him to conclude that we needed fat singles hitters for DH, etc.
by Graham on Dec 10, 2008 9:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Congrats.
I’m not used to this site having good moves of their own to discuss.
by R.J. Anderson on Dec 10, 2008 9:54 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I'm going out to get drunk and dance in the streets.
Every day I hear about Seattle sports' failures. Every night I fall asleep to the sound of my own tears.
by Benne on Dec 10, 2008 9:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yea, it's kind of odd.
Funny how I pondered what Rays fans talked about since they didn’t have to bitch about shitty management. I guess this is what its like.
by Fin on Dec 10, 2008 9:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
One move left to make.
Yuni for Joyce.
Oh fuck you. Get out of work? Do what i do and piss your pantalones. Ain’t no one going to fuck with you when you piss your pants. -- kevin_ess, winebibber
by Wilder. on Dec 11, 2008 8:32 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Too many outfielders!
Mariners ----> Brewers.
by Taylor H on Dec 11, 2008 9:20 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Putz and Green were on the decline
This trade is a steal. Good job ripping off Franklin Gutiérrez from the ever declining Indians.
Baseball is God's sport! All Truth Goes Through Three Stages 1.It is ridiculed 2.It is violently opposed 3.Finally, it is accepted as self-evident. kinesiologist
by E5 on Dec 10, 2008 9:56 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
How in God's name was Green on the decline?
by Graham on Dec 10, 2008 9:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe in the relief arms are short lived and unpredictable kind of decline way?
I dunno.
Fans are typically idiots.
by The Typical Idiot Fan on Dec 10, 2008 9:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This is true.
I would laugh if his arm exploded on opening day next year.
by Fin on Dec 10, 2008 9:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I just have to say this.
Shit, GMZ is crafty. Its almost like I am in disbelief, I am so used to incompetence of Bavasi and Co.
by Fin on Dec 10, 2008 9:56 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
It's amazing, but this is the first time I've really been excited about Seattle sports since Durant...
I’m sending Zduriencik a Christmas gift.
Can't wait for Ruskell to knock this one out of the park.
by abender20 on Dec 10, 2008 10:01 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
How about....
1.Chavez LF
2. Gutierrez CF
3.Ichiro RF
4. Beltre 3B
5.Lopez 2B
6.Branyan 1B
7.Balentien DH
8.Clement C
9.Betancourt SS
I dunno, just throwin out ideas… It’s probably gonna be pretty ugly no matter how you slice it.
by Turdburglar on Dec 10, 2008 10:01 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
You seem to think tomorrow is opening day.
Fortunately, it’s not. The roster’s not done yet.
by eponymous_coward on Dec 10, 2008 10:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This.
Patience young padawan.
Fans are typically idiots.
by The Typical Idiot Fan on Dec 10, 2008 10:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
How about this
Gutierrez CF
Ichiro RF
Beltre 3RD
Griffey DH
Lopez 2b
Branyan 1B
Clement C
Betancourt SS
Chavez LF
Baseball is God's sport! All Truth Goes Through Three Stages 1.It is ridiculed 2.It is violently opposed 3.Finally, it is accepted as self-evident. kinesiologist
by E5 on Dec 10, 2008 10:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Roster's not set, doesn't matter
Griffey blows
by JI on Dec 10, 2008 10:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Griffey
Clearly is not the same as he was but he is still a quality major leaguer and would be a nice addition to a rebuilding M’s team. He would help the young guys on the team. Great guy
Baseball is God's sport! All Truth Goes Through Three Stages 1.It is ridiculed 2.It is violently opposed 3.Finally, it is accepted as self-evident. kinesiologist
by E5 on Dec 10, 2008 10:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
PROVEN VETERAN
It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray
by Faux on Dec 10, 2008 10:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hey, let's sign Ken Griffey
Not Junior, Senior. Great guy, proven veteran, perfect guy to have in the clubhouse. I bet he could play LF or DH.
by eponymous_coward on Dec 10, 2008 10:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Let's sign Goose Gossage!
Clearly is not the same as he was but he is still a quality major leaguer Hall of Fame Talent and would be a nice addition to a rebuilding M’s team. He would help the young guys on the team. Great guy
It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray
by Faux on Dec 10, 2008 10:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
OUCH
My heart hurts.
Baseball is God's sport! All Truth Goes Through Three Stages 1.It is ridiculed 2.It is violently opposed 3.Finally, it is accepted as self-evident. kinesiologist
by E5 on Dec 10, 2008 10:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
We're not saying he wasn't good before.
We’re just saying he’s not a Major League player now.
http://www.lookoutlanding.com/2008/6/4/546195/three-guys-who-agree-on-ev
Read this. These numbers taken over time show the decline of a great player. It happens, nobody’s body will last forever, and he pushed it harder than most.
I loved Junior when he was here, but he’s a detriment to any team now. (Maybe not the Orioles/Royals/Marlins)
It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray
by Faux on Dec 10, 2008 10:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Also keep in mind that the condition of holding Wlad back in AAA is now not possible.
It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray
by Faux on Dec 10, 2008 10:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This:Accuracy
Griffey:!Worst everyday player in the majors
by Graham on Dec 10, 2008 10:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He'd only help the young guys by comparison.
Or by example, as in “How not to age gracefully.”
by JLC on Dec 10, 2008 10:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No, he's not. His defense is so bad as to make him a DH only player, and his bat is in serious decline overall
and cannot be used against LHP.
by Matthew on Dec 10, 2008 10:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Plus, we're likely playing a 1B and C platoon already.
Unless the AL is going to go to a 30 man roster, we’re going to run out of roster spots platooning guys.
by eponymous_coward on Dec 10, 2008 10:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Grffiey blocks young players
costs money
sucks at baseball
panders to the sad pathetic nostalgia demographic
Pass
by JI on Dec 10, 2008 10:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
weaton4life?
Mariners ----> Brewers.
by Taylor H on Dec 11, 2008 9:22 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Mariners are on the rise if they can keep making deals like this one.
Baseball is God's sport! All Truth Goes Through Three Stages 1.It is ridiculed 2.It is violently opposed 3.Finally, it is accepted as self-evident. kinesiologist
by E5 on Dec 10, 2008 10:05 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I really
Like the direction of the new management in town. It would be awesome to see a winner back in Seattle after these many years of sub par play.
Baseball is God's sport! All Truth Goes Through Three Stages 1.It is ridiculed 2.It is violently opposed 3.Finally, it is accepted as self-evident. kinesiologist
by E5 on Dec 10, 2008 10:06 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
They need to bring
Griffey back now.
Baseball is God's sport! All Truth Goes Through Three Stages 1.It is ridiculed 2.It is violently opposed 3.Finally, it is accepted as self-evident. kinesiologist
by E5 on Dec 10, 2008 10:07 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I know it's an unpopular position around here but fuck 'em
he left us to live in Cincinnati. That’s one of the biggest crapholes in all of America
by JI on Dec 10, 2008 10:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh my god.
Yesterday's Pants
A blog-thingy about the Mariners and stuff.
by BrettJMiller on Dec 10, 2008 10:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
What the hell happened to this thread?
I was only gone for five minutes.
by BrianL on Dec 10, 2008 10:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It seemed like no one had been giving anyone any reason for random Griffey hate for awhile, and then this past month the crazy "bring him back" talk started again.
Yesterday's Pants
A blog-thingy about the Mariners and stuff.
by BrettJMiller on Dec 10, 2008 10:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
that came out way too fucking big
by IceStormV1 on Dec 10, 2008 10:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
But it works!
Fans are typically idiots.
by The Typical Idiot Fan on Dec 10, 2008 10:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm glad I stumbled on this.
E5 is a troll that we kicked out of LGT. Yeah he’s just trying to fuck with you.
Steel Nick
by nickjs21 on Dec 14, 2008 8:29 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
So this is why Jeff is afraid of being good.
by acblue on Dec 10, 2008 10:08 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
All I can really say is "Thanks JJ".
He really was the highlight of the 07 season. I went to many ballgames that year, and whenever he came out in the 9th, the whole place went on fire. Definitely striking out Bonds was my favorite moment— also one that I was thankfully there for.
He also gave me something else special- my favorite piece of baseball memorabilia. I was drunk one night, and talked to him through the bullpen fence. I admitted how much of a fan I was (well, I didn’t tell him about my man crush, but close enough), and I asked him if he would sign a ball for me. But not just any signature, I wanted something special… I wanted him to trace his split finger grip on the ball. He chuckled, smiled and agreed to do it. It was awesome.
So, JJ, thanks a lot. I hope you aren’t pissed we traded you.
by batura on Dec 10, 2008 10:16 PM PST reply actions 5 recs
This is the shit
Stop The Wave!
by ConorGlassey on Dec 10, 2008 10:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That's... pretty cool, actually.
by Two Rs and Two Ls on Dec 10, 2008 10:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Why do I see a penis?
What was he trying to do there? Did he just like… sneeze really bad when doing that or something?
Fans are typically idiots.
by The Typical Idiot Fan on Dec 10, 2008 10:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Did you read it?
Stop The Wave!
by ConorGlassey on Dec 10, 2008 10:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No. That would help wouldn't it?
I still see penis, though.
Fans are typically idiots.
by The Typical Idiot Fan on Dec 10, 2008 10:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe not so much?
I still see penis, though.
It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray
by Faux on Dec 10, 2008 10:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Sweet deal.
J.J. is going to be missed, but he’s taking one for the team.
Oh fuck you. Get out of work? Do what i do and piss your pantalones. Ain’t no one going to fuck with you when you piss your pants. -- kevin_ess, winebibber
by Wilder. on Dec 11, 2008 8:36 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
fuck no more Tuesday with greeen
no more 2 faces and go crazy
HA HA HA, your Grandpa's an ASS!- Tourette's Guy (R.I.P)
by tootthekazoo on Dec 10, 2008 10:19 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Apparently Very!
Baseball is God's sport! All Truth Goes Through Three Stages 1.It is ridiculed 2.It is violently opposed 3.Finally, it is accepted as self-evident. kinesiologist
by E5 on Dec 10, 2008 10:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
About as much as me, I presume.
Screw you, Mariners. I'm back in football's loving arms. *edit: well, shit. This isn't going well.
by kevin_ess on Dec 10, 2008 11:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You drink too?
I was all excuted for a ll drunk party but everybody was in the jj place insted but i jsut found out
HA HA HA, your Grandpa's an ASS!- Tourette's Guy (R.I.P)
by tootthekazoo on Dec 10, 2008 11:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah. I drink holy water.
By the case.
Screw you, Mariners. I'm back in football's loving arms. *edit: well, shit. This isn't going well.
by kevin_ess on Dec 10, 2008 11:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
quite because I didnt eat but just a hot pocket for lunch today
and had 6 blkue moons at bowling
HA HA HA, your Grandpa's an ASS!- Tourette's Guy (R.I.P)
by tootthekazoo on Dec 10, 2008 10:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Who's hot pocket did you have for lunch.
Baseball is God's sport! All Truth Goes Through Three Stages 1.It is ridiculed 2.It is violently opposed 3.Finally, it is accepted as self-evident. kinesiologist
by E5 on Dec 10, 2008 10:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
i get it is that a sex joking
whatever
HA HA HA, your Grandpa's an ASS!- Tourette's Guy (R.I.P)
by tootthekazoo on Dec 10, 2008 10:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
*whose's
HA HA HA, your Grandpa's an ASS!- Tourette's Guy (R.I.P)
by tootthekazoo on Dec 10, 2008 10:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
When I was a kid I enjoyed that magazine.
Baseball is God's sport! All Truth Goes Through Three Stages 1.It is ridiculed 2.It is violently opposed 3.Finally, it is accepted as self-evident. kinesiologist
by E5 on Dec 10, 2008 10:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He is doing this to improve OF defense.
It’s like the anti-Bavasi (cries)
“We might not be finished.”
by eponymous_coward on Dec 10, 2008 10:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh my God he actually recognizes the importance of defense.
Where the hell am I?
by BrianL on Dec 10, 2008 10:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm waiting for the Adam Dunn signing to bring us back to reality.
by JLC on Dec 10, 2008 10:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't seriously think we'll sign Adam Dunn
In fact, a small part of me is starting to think that he’s becoming undervalued since teams are beginning to realize the importance of defense. I’m sure someone’s going to give him a 3-4 year contract, but what if teams are only willing to give him a 1 year deal? Very unlikely, but that’s when it gets interesting.
by JLC on Dec 10, 2008 10:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I know, I'm just excited to be excited and I think everyone else should be too.
by acblue on Dec 10, 2008 10:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Trust me, I am very excited about this.
Even more than I’d be if it were Putz for Matt Joyce straight up.
I’m trying not to think about losing Valbuena, though.
by JLC on Dec 10, 2008 10:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I love listening to him talk about the minor leaguers
he actually mentions how playing in a specific league relates to a player’s numbers…
he still says they haven’t determined what will happen with Morrow— he wants the coaching staff to get their hands on him, and see the player.
they talked Fields this morning with Boras (among other topics) - not negotiations, just pleasantries
by msb on Dec 10, 2008 10:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Puckett brought up the other rumors
and Z says you talk about a lot of players, but that they were not involved with trades for Ankiel or Fielder
by msb on Dec 10, 2008 10:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It's going to be exciting seeing what else he can pull off.
A SS and maybe a big power hitter would be great.
Yesterday's Pants
A blog-thingy about the Mariners and stuff.
by BrettJMiller on Dec 10, 2008 10:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Despite the cost, I'd spend the money for Bradley
Yesterday's Pants
A blog-thingy about the Mariners and stuff.
by BrettJMiller on Dec 10, 2008 10:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
My problem with Bradley is simple:
I hate multi-year deals for guys who probably will miss 1/3rd of the playing time during the deal.
It’s one thing for J.D. Drew to do a deal with the Red Sox, but J.D. Drew is like Cal Ripken compared to Milton Bradley. If he gets a 3 year deal, we’d be doing well if he played 300-330 out of 486 games. That’s pretty bad.
by eponymous_coward on Dec 10, 2008 10:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He's psyched about Carrera and Cleto
Said impressed with Carerra’s extra base power, and FSL is not an easy league to hit in.
(.705 league OPS, BTW)
by eponymous_coward on Dec 10, 2008 10:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He called Jeff Clement *Matt*
Which confused me at first – I wasn’t paying much attention and had to rewind to verify that he slipped up. For a second there I thought we’d picked up Matt Clement as well.
by sooper jeenyus on Dec 11, 2008 4:09 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He actually gets it
This isn’t a mistake. WE DID GOOD WITHOUT A MISTAKE
by Robert on Dec 10, 2008 10:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You mean...
We’re at the top-right corner of DePo’s chart?
by BrianL on Dec 10, 2008 10:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
EVEN BETTER TOP LEFT CORNER!
(God I’m specially challenged)
by BrianL on Dec 10, 2008 10:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
'specially
It’s a contraction.
It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray
by Faux on Dec 10, 2008 10:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Please let Tuesdays with Sean Green continue
That’s all I’m going to say.
by Kouvre on Dec 10, 2008 10:23 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Hey all
Mets fan here. Just wondering what your perspectives are on what we got back. I’ve been wanting Putz since the second I found out he might be on the market, but I was curious if you all think he can bounce back to ‘06-’07 levels. And I know pretty much nothing about Reed or Green, so any insight would be helpful.
My take on what you guys got from us:
Chavez – one of the best defensive outfielders I’ve ever seen. His catch in the 2006 NLCS was without a doubt the high point of the post-Piazza Mets, and probably the 3rd best Mets-moment of my lifetime. In ‘06 he was a jack-of-all trades, filling in at every outfield spot and giving us more than enough offense to go with his defense (101 OPS+ and GG caliber defense ftw). In ’07 his offense regressed a bit, and then last year pretty much fell off a cliff, and he was pretty marginalized once Fernando Tatis started hitting and Dan Murphy came up. Seeing him pinch hit for the pitcher and then not even play the field the next inning was infuriating. I’m happy to see him freed to a team where he can roam the outfield a lot more than we gave him the chance to.
Heilman – while Chavez gave us the high point of 2006, Heilman might have given us the low point, with the home run he gave up off to Yadier Molina. I’m not a particularly big fan of Heilman, due to his constant whining about wanting to start and the fact that he cost us the chance at the World Series, then was unreliable down the stretch in ‘07 and absolutely awful last year. That said, he’s undeniably talented, and I’ve been saying for months that I think he’ll bounce back next year as long as he’s no longer pitching in NY. I would expect a mid 3’s ERA, about a strikeout an inning, and a WHIP around 1.10-1.20.
by cjmulrain on Dec 10, 2008 10:27 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
JJ and Green
Are on the Decline and Reed is a nice fill in bench player.
Baseball is God's sport! All Truth Goes Through Three Stages 1.It is ridiculed 2.It is violently opposed 3.Finally, it is accepted as self-evident. kinesiologist
by E5 on Dec 10, 2008 10:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
How are JJ and Green on the decline?
Yesterday's Pants
A blog-thingy about the Mariners and stuff.
by BrettJMiller on Dec 10, 2008 10:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
What's the Decline and how do I get on it?
by JLC on Dec 10, 2008 10:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Awesome NOFX EP!
Stop The Wave!
by ConorGlassey on Dec 10, 2008 11:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Works out for both sides
Putz is a good gamble because of his contract, Gren and Reed have their uses, and Carp is the only player the Mets are going to miss.
by JI on Dec 10, 2008 10:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
JJ's a gamble. If his ineffectiveness last year was just costocondritis and he recovers, great
He’s one of the top relievers in baseball. If not, you’re paying $6M for a broken-down former closer.
Green is an effective reliever with an absurd GB%. Lefties tend to torch him and he’ll have some bad streaks here and there, but he’s been a really effective player over the past couple of years.
Reed is our version of Endy Chavez, I guess. Maybe a little bit worse. Nothing particularly exciting unless he can somehow learn to hit.
by Graham on Dec 10, 2008 10:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Two names: Castillo and Delgado.
He better hope he can get the righties out in front of his pitches.
It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray
by Faux on Dec 10, 2008 10:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Reed
Great minor league hitter for average (close to .400, was once a top 50 type prospect), hasn’t translated to the majors. Pretty good defensive OF, but inexplicably just has no clue how to steal bases, even though he would seem to have the speed to do it. Can’t hit lefties, is OK versus righties. Not much power.
He needs a change of scenery. When he came over in the Freddy Garcia deal, everyone expected him to be the CF of the future. Didn’t pan out, but he could still turn out to be useful. Learning to steal bases would really add to his value – he could be a fourth OF, pinch runner, platoon player in the NL. Wouldn’t surprise me to see him be a valuable role player in NY.
by saltydog75 on Dec 10, 2008 10:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'll miss you JJ.
You were always great for a laugh:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVGb28uVjio
Fans are typically idiots.
by The Typical Idiot Fan on Dec 10, 2008 10:28 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Woah, did I get banned?
Where did my comments go?
...and now I'm here
by CapSea on Dec 10, 2008 10:32 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I'm guessing a few subthreads were hidden
None of them started by you.
by Jeff Sullivan on Dec 10, 2008 10:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
First Thought Was
We gave up a lot to give up a lot. My second thought is that I really really really like Gutierrez. His defense is well publicized and while he will never walk the world his bat has some serious upside in a Torri Hunter way. He was better at 24 then Hunter was although he did regress this year obviously.
I have no interest in Chavez I think his bat is miserable and his defense is overated although admittedly PMR and UZR both disagree with me. The Mets inevetiably sold low on Heilman
Minus the other prospects which I don’t know much about I like the deal for the Indian a lot and the Mets kind of. The Indians are very good at talent acquisition and Gutierrez was very expendable because of Ben Franisco and one of them had to go. Joe Smith is an excellent ROOGY and Valbuena is a decent prospect.
For the Mets I consider Reed and Endy to be a straight sawp with defense for a little upside and youth. Joe Smith for Sean Green a straight swap (albiet the M’s selling low on Sean Green) leaving the deal as Mike Carp and Aaron Heilman for JJ. They sold low on Heilman and Carp isn’t a second tier 1st baseman (1% John Olerud 15% Lyle Overbay) but at the same time they got a lot of value in shoring up their weakest point
Don't believe the lies Bill!!!! look at the sparkly ERA!!! Sparkly, Sparkly!!! - McCovey Chronicles
by Trenchtown on Dec 10, 2008 10:45 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Jesus what a buizare nuight
I go get piss durnk and bowling and vome home to see tha jj is gone. tToo bad because i like him and Greeen but we are beter now
HA HA HA, your Grandpa's an ASS!- Tourette's Guy (R.I.P)
by tootthekazoo on Dec 10, 2008 10:53 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Doesn't it seem like we are a far cry from these days?
by Fin on Dec 10, 2008 10:56 PM PST reply actions 4 recs
Something like that probably has to big.
In which case, a link is probably best.
by Teej on Dec 10, 2008 11:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yea, I think I did it in like mid-2007
Took me a long time to photoshop because I had to shop out all the japanese words that were surrounding the text bubbles.
by Fin on Dec 10, 2008 11:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You know, I could've made this gold if I had made in 2008.
O well, it’s still pretty funny.
by Fin on Dec 10, 2008 11:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm listening to
nobody Putz JJ in the corner as we speak in rememberance of his time as an M
Don't believe the lies Bill!!!! look at the sparkly ERA!!! Sparkly, Sparkly!!! - McCovey Chronicles
by Trenchtown on Dec 10, 2008 11:00 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Fuck it. I'll bat DH.
Screw you, Mariners. I'm back in football's loving arms. *edit: well, shit. This isn't going well.
by kevin_ess on Dec 10, 2008 11:05 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
He;s gritty and will di what needed to win
HA HA HA, your Grandpa's an ASS!- Tourette's Guy (R.I.P)
by tootthekazoo on Dec 10, 2008 11:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This is true. And I'm a Washington native willing to sleep with Rick Rizzs for the right amount of attention.
I warn you, though. I only speak Japanese to the press. I know, it’s a dichotomy.
Screw you, Mariners. I'm back in football's loving arms. *edit: well, shit. This isn't going well.
by kevin_ess on Dec 10, 2008 11:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I will 1th
HA HA HA, your Grandpa's an ASS!- Tourette's Guy (R.I.P)
by tootthekazoo on Dec 10, 2008 11:10 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
oh shit I missed reply
HA HA HA, your Grandpa's an ASS!- Tourette's Guy (R.I.P)
by tootthekazoo on Dec 10, 2008 11:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Your mother is disappointed.
Screw you, Mariners. I'm back in football's loving arms. *edit: well, shit. This isn't going well.
by kevin_ess on Dec 10, 2008 11:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
She has biger problems
HA HA HA, your Grandpa's an ASS!- Tourette's Guy (R.I.P)
by tootthekazoo on Dec 10, 2008 11:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You're not pregnant again, are you??
Screw you, Mariners. I'm back in football's loving arms. *edit: well, shit. This isn't going well.
by kevin_ess on Dec 10, 2008 11:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm a boy and can't nbe pregnat
Silly dude
HA HA HA, your Grandpa's an ASS!- Tourette's Guy (R.I.P)
by tootthekazoo on Dec 10, 2008 11:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
At first I liked this deal
but thinking about it more I’m not sure. I feel like for the players we gave up, we could have probably gotten guys with higher ceilings. Individually they are nice players but the trade really isn’t impressing me. Not a bad deal but more of a meh.
I do like the methodology behind the trade. Its nice to see thinking which is not severely flawed coming from our FO.
by Edgar for Pres on Dec 11, 2008 12:28 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I think we have to keep in mind..
If NY never sees 07 JJ again this becomes quite the haul for the Ms. I’m not saying we should evaluate any trade based on its results, but JJ is an unknown at this point.
by CKel on Dec 11, 2008 12:31 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I'll put everything I own on JJ never seeing 2007 again.
That year was absolutely insane.
by Teej on Dec 11, 2008 8:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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