Two Things
by Jeff Sullivan on Dec 10, 2008 11:32 AM PST
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Print1) The Indians appear set to sign Kerry Wood to a two-year deal worth ~$20m, possibly with a 2011 option. All he has to do at this point is pass a physical. The Indians were never going to be players for JJ, but by taking a closer off the market, they've put pressure on teams like Milwaukee, St. Louis, and especially Detroit to get one of their own before it's too late. Expect Zduriencik's conversations about JJ to get a lot more interesting.
2) With Ben Sheets having one foot out the door and CC Sabathia officially out of the picture, the Brewers need rotation help, and they're going to explore their options. The Mariners, meanwhile, currently have more starters than they can use. Jarrod Washburn's name may come up, but the real dark horse here is Erik Bedard - the Brewers tried to get Bedard for JJ Hardy last July, and while Bedard's stock has dropped since what with the surgery and all, it's possible Doug Melvin may come calling again. I don't think Bedard's going to get dealt, nor do I think that now would necessarily be the right time to try and do so in the first place, but that's just something to keep an eye on. Where there's a possible solution to an obvious need, there tends to be a phone call or two.
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With Ben Sheets having one foot out the door and CC Sabathia officially out of the picture, the Brewers need rotation help
I thought the offers for Bedard last July were insulting?
Or were they insulting in comparison to what we gave up for him to begin with?
We're never going to get anything done if we compare that deal to any future deal.
Ben Sheets is only being offered two years? GO GO GO
Oh god please make think happen. please oh please oh please
3:00 p.m. — Latest on Putz, Fuentes
Mariners closer J.J. Putz remains a popular trade target.
The Tigers are interested in Putz and the Cardinals have offered center fielder Rick Ankiel and a prospect, according to a rival general manager.
*I know the Joyce trade is better. Shut up.
Ben Sheets is only being offered two years? GO GO GO
You are a respected voice around these pasrt and saying things like that is unfair.
It might confuse people.
by Aaron Campeau on Dec 10, 2008 12:25 PM PST up reply actions
That would certainly solidify our outfield
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I'd give up Wlad, Rowland Smith, and a B-/C+ prospect
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That would be so so so so awesome.
Mariners ----> Brewers.
by .Taylor on Dec 10, 2008 1:36 PM PST up reply actions
mean spirited antagonizing of a downtrodden fanbase.
But man I would wet every pair of pants I owned if it were true.
Can't wait for Ruskell to knock this one out of the park.
Ankiel and Rasmus for J.J.?
Am I high or this is a deal that any GM would take in a second?
Patriotism, Pepper, Professionalism
Oh wait, Matthew was being an asshole.
Dammit man, don’t kid about that. It’s hard to tell when you’re kidding.
Patriotism, Pepper, Professionalism
"the Brewers tried to get Bedard for JJ Hardy last July"
Reason number 354656534512345 why BIll Bavasi richly deserved to be fired. If that was an actual trade possibility, there were exactly two correct responses to that trade:
[ ] YES
[X] HELL, YES!
by eponymous_coward on Dec 10, 2008 12:16 PM PST reply actions
If that was true, we'd have to trade Putz
Only room for one JJ on a team
by mariners124m on Dec 10, 2008 12:17 PM PST up reply actions
Would have been nice to get Hardy for Bedard, but talk about selling low.
After what we gave up to get Bedard, I would rather see what he can do for us in the first half of 2009.
Oh fuck you. Get out of work? Do what i do and piss your pantalones. Ain’t no one going to fuck with you when you piss your pants. -- kevin_ess, winebibber
Maybe that cyst will do more damage than we think.
(note: I cannot see actual video on campus. I don’t know if it works or not.)
Oh fuck you. Get out of work? Do what i do and piss your pantalones. Ain’t no one going to fuck with you when you piss your pants. -- kevin_ess, winebibber
It's time to forget about what we traded to get him
Remembering that isn’t going to help any future negotiations.
by Jeff Sullivan on Dec 10, 2008 12:31 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I'd take two lifeboats before anyone sounds the alarm for abandoning ship
One is for sitting, the other for putting my feet up.
and you'd want a third for toting all of the ship's lifejackets and food, so you don't get hungry.
Can't wait for Ruskell to knock this one out of the park.
That's more of what I was going for.
Oh fuck you. Get out of work? Do what i do and piss your pantalones. Ain’t no one going to fuck with you when you piss your pants. -- kevin_ess, winebibber
A healthy Bedard is a mythical creature
known only in legend.
I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.
by Llewdor on Dec 10, 2008 12:58 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
crap. hit send too fast.
all I found from last summer was a Stark note that “Clubs that have checked in with the Brewers say they’re being so aggressive in their hunt for a big-time starting pitcher, they might even be willing to include J.J. Hardy or Rickie Weeks "in the right deal.” " and nothing that actually linked the two players and/or teams as a trade possibility.
be interesting to know just what all else might have made up 'the right deal' at the time
and what his DL stint before the deadline might have done to impact what they wanted
Rick Ankiel
One of the things that interests me about St. Louis and JJ rumors is the possibility of adding Rick Ankiel— I know he’s a free agent after next season, but that might be enough time for us to get some of our outfield prospects up to speed.
It would be nice if we could get him and some other high-level prospect.
Of course it would be nice
because it’s asking way too much. Pretty much a pointless trade for both teams.
Ben Sheets is only being offered two years? GO GO GO
by JI on Dec 10, 2008 2:02 PM PST up reply actions
Really?
The Cards, obsessed with roles (read Three Nights in August) would get a great closer, and we would fill an outfield void for next year. I have no idea how the Cards are stacked for outfield depth, but there is a need on both sides.
Ankiel for Putz hurts the Cardinals
and is pointless for the Mariners unless, of course, you think the Mariners are going to compete next season.
Ben Sheets is only being offered two years? GO GO GO
by JI on Dec 10, 2008 3:38 PM PST up reply actions
As a simple fan, I would love to watch Ankiel for a year.
But yeah, it doesn’t make much sense for the future. Betting on him to give us a draft pick or two when he leaves would be quite a stretch. He just squeaked in as a Type B for his offseason.
I still find it anmazing that the Cards are shopping him
considering he’s LaRussa’s favorite son.
Yeah, he’s super talented and could be healthy andgood here a year, but then what?
Are we gonna sign Ben Sheets and make over the middle infield? It doesn’t work unless there a bunch of other retooling done.
Ben Sheets is only being offered two years? GO GO GO
by JI on Dec 10, 2008 4:00 PM PST up reply actions
I don't understand it either
I know we have outfielders coming out the ass in St. Louis, but which one of them are going to come up and be ready now? Duncan is a bust either way you look at it, Rasmus would need the better half of this year to be fully prepared after being injured most of last season. This leaves the Cards with Ludwick, Schumaker and Mather if they trade away Ankiel, which doesn’t sit well with me
From what I've read
Duncan’s injury is pretty serious and he can’t be counted on to play in the majors this year.
Ben Sheets is only being offered two years? GO GO GO
by JI on Dec 10, 2008 4:16 PM PST up reply actions
And Duncan is an outfielder
as much as Jeff Clement is an outfielder
Ben Sheets is only being offered two years? GO GO GO
by JI on Dec 10, 2008 4:17 PM PST up reply actions
Marlins Apparently Offered....
….Jeremy Hermida.
Presumably for one of our AA/AAA catchers. That’s not a horrible thought.
If the catcher the Marlins want isn't Clement, then hell yes I do that deal.
Marcel has him pegged for a .788 OPS, and Bill James has him down for .822…not to mention UZR had him at only 3, and +/ has him at +7 from 2006-2008, so it’s possible he’s at least an average fielder. I’d swap Moore or Johnson for him…maybe even throw in a lesser prospect, like a relief arm. Maybe give them Gaby Hernandez back or something.
Yesterday's Pants
A blog-thingy about the Mariners and stuff.
by BrettJMiller on Dec 10, 2008 3:07 PM PST up reply actions
Stupid internet formatting a strike I didn't want in there. It should read that UZR had him at only -3
And plus/minus has him at +7
Yesterday's Pants
A blog-thingy about the Mariners and stuff.
by BrettJMiller on Dec 10, 2008 3:08 PM PST up reply actions
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Clark Spencer of the Miami Herald says the Ms and Rangers initiated the Hermida talks, and they didn’t get far.
the other angels fan
.
Baker says the Marlins wanted catching prospect Adam Moore from the Ms in a Hermida deal.
the other angels fan
Adam Moore is going to be a very nice player or trading chip
At this point I think I’d rather hold onto him to see where Clement ends up.
by Edgar for Pres on Dec 10, 2008 9:50 PM PST up reply actions
Royals close to reacquiring Horacio Ramirez
http://www.kansascity.com/sports/royals/story/931290.html
The Royals plan to give Ramirez, a left-hander, an opportunity to win a spot in the rotation.
the other angels fan
Yayyyy Ho-Ram. Now lets hope KC trades for Yuni to field all the balls that opposing hitters scorch off of Ramirez.
Can't wait for Ruskell to knock this one out of the park.
but he's Schuerholz's prodigy :(
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Chuck LaMar was pretty predominant in the Braves org
Ben Sheets is only being offered two years? GO GO GO
by JI on Dec 10, 2008 4:20 PM PST up reply actions
hooray a .gif I understand
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http://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/2008/12/9/687464/this-doesn-t-even-make-sen
Ben Sheets is only being offered two years? GO GO GO
by JI on Dec 10, 2008 4:20 PM PST up reply actions
Trade Talks on JJ are starting to stall
Joyce was the only name that ever got me really excited anyway. Well, Joyce and Rasmus. But Rasmus sounded too good to be true from the beginning; if Rasmus name ever got mentioned in this context, I’m sure it was about removing St. Louis’s log jam.
Trading Rasmus for Peavy would be dumb
So I’m sure he’d be available for Putz.
Seriously, Rasmus = Adam Jones as far as the Cardinals are concerned. He’s not going anywhere for an injury reclamation project.
Ben Sheets is only being offered two years? GO GO GO
by JI on Dec 10, 2008 3:55 PM PST up reply actions
Please delineate in terms I can understand
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I get the joke, but I will not share it with him.
I am no longer in Spokane, but I think I'll keep the name anyway.
I understand derivatives, summation, elements, and science working
but I don’t understand how its supposed to be funny
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try
d=m/v
I am no longer in Spokane, but I think I'll keep the name anyway.
So Matthew is calling me dense?
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Os, Osmium highest density metal
I am no longer in Spokane, but I think I'll keep the name anyway.
He wasn't serious
Ben Sheets is only being offered two years? GO GO GO
by JI on Dec 10, 2008 4:10 PM PST up reply actions
This is so confusing.
Ben Sheets is only being offered two years? GO GO GO
by JI on Dec 10, 2008 4:13 PM PST up reply actions
Offbeat comments in comment threads get taken seriously and eventually become rumours
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I read that the Mariners have had preliminary discussions
about trading JJ Putz, Adrian Beltre, Jeff Clement, and Wlad Balentin for Ryan Braun and Bill Hall.
Ben Sheets is only being offered two years? GO GO GO
by JI on Dec 10, 2008 4:19 PM PST up reply actions
That's a weirdly fascinating trade
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This would be very interesting
However, you still have Braun in the outfield, and he may as well have the same skillet for defensive skills as Raul
Raul at 25, yeah
But not Raul at 35
Ben Sheets is only being offered two years? GO GO GO
by JI on Dec 10, 2008 4:22 PM PST up reply actions
Spell check is a sexy but dangerous wench
Ben Sheets is only being offered two years? GO GO GO
by JI on Dec 10, 2008 4:25 PM PST up reply actions
Plus, your a dick
Ben Sheets is only being offered two years? GO GO GO
by JI on Dec 10, 2008 4:25 PM PST up reply actions
why don't you go fry some bacon in that skillet?
mmmm bacon.
Can't wait for Ruskell to knock this one out of the park.
awwwww
Thought the differently colored head and arms make it look like it’s losing circulation
Ben Sheets is only being offered two years? GO GO GO
by JI on Dec 10, 2008 4:29 PM PST up reply actions
I find it more cute that way.
Plus it reminds me of Gir for some reason.
As much as I think this may be crazy...
That may be giving up too much.
Can't wait for Ruskell to knock this one out of the park.
I don't think I'd pull the trigger on it
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We'll be all the way there once Dave starts taking us to school
for our bad evaluations of completely made up trades.
Ben Sheets is only being offered two years? GO GO GO
by JI on Dec 10, 2008 4:27 PM PST up reply actions
God damn it would be easy to start
legitimatemlbtraderumors.com
With the LL machine behind me, it would spread as quickly as tRA
Ben Sheets is only being offered two years? GO GO GO
by JI on Dec 10, 2008 4:23 PM PST up reply actions
id rather start illegitimatetraderumors.com
that would spread WAY faster.
first rumor – Yankees trade A-Rod to the Padres for Peavy. There. A rumor.
Can't wait for Ruskell to knock this one out of the park.
No one will believe that
Ben Sheets is only being offered two years? GO GO GO
by JI on Dec 10, 2008 4:25 PM PST up reply actions
nah yankee fans are idiots.
Can't wait for Ruskell to knock this one out of the park.
You're missing the point.
Ben Sheets is only being offered two years? GO GO GO
by JI on Dec 10, 2008 4:27 PM PST up reply actions
I was being sarcastic.
Ben Sheets is only being offered two years? GO GO GO
by JI on Dec 10, 2008 4:22 PM PST up reply actions
We're all such pricks I can't even tell any more.
by Aaron Campeau on Dec 10, 2008 4:23 PM PST up reply actions
I had the exact same thought
Ben Sheets is only being offered two years? GO GO GO
by JI on Dec 10, 2008 4:24 PM PST up reply actions
Bullshit the prospect is Tyler Greene
Those of us who are lovesick for Richie Sexson will be pleasantly surprised.
Ben Sheets is only being offered two years? GO GO GO
by JI on Dec 10, 2008 4:13 PM PST up reply actions
In other news, the Nationals have made Mark Teixeira an 8/$180 offer.
No possible way that could work out badly!
Patriotism, Pepper, Professionalism
Alright Stoneman's replacement GO GO GO
UPDATED 6:51 p.m. — Latest on Fuentes
Free-agent left-hander Brian Fuentes appears headed for a three-year, $33 million contract, major-league sources say, but the question is which club will give it to him.
The Cardinals might rather trade for the Mariners’ more inexpensive J.J. Putz, and the Brewers and Tigers also would figure to pass on that large of an investment in a closer.
J.J. Putz is a hot topic at winter meetings. (Otto Greule Jr / Getty Images)
That would leave the Angels, who likely would draw criticism if they paid Fuentes, 33, only $4 million less than the Mets awarded Francisco Rodriguez, 26, over three years.
Fuentes is less accomplished than Rodriguez, and the Angels would forfeit a first-round draft pick if they signed him. They could have kept Rodriguez without losing the pick.
Then again, Angels manager Mike Scioscia has always liked Fuentes, and the Angels tried to acquire him from the Rockies at the July 31 non-waiver deadline.
As for Putz, the Tigers and Cardinals want him in part because of his affordability. Putz will earn $5.5 million next season with a $9.1 million club option for 2010 that could increase to a maximum of $9.6 million if he meets all of his appearance-based incentives.
Ideal winter for us:
Angels sign Fuentes and Raul, trade for Michael Young.
I’d give up sex for the rest of 2008 if this happens.
by Matthew on Dec 10, 2008 4:46 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
You've already given up sex for the entire year.
2009 and 2010 as well, or so I’m told.
Patriotism, Pepper, Professionalism
I throw up an alley-oop for the people here and these are the responses it ends up with?
Y’all are pathetic and need to go back to humor boot camp.
Future hint:
I’m not so stupid as to unintentionally leave myself as such an easy target. However, if the best you can come up with is vocal filler or a put down that would make an 11-year-old cringe, don’t bother.
So apparently JJ Putz ----> Mets
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
Via Rosenthal
8:46 p.m. — Mets trying to land M’s Putz
The Mets are working to acquire a setup man for new closer Francisco Rodriguez — and that setup man would be another closer from the American League West.
J.J. Putz could be headed to the Mets in a three-team trade with the Mariners and Indians, according to major-league sources.
Mets right-hander Aaron Heilman, outfielder Endy Chavez and first-base prospect Mike Carp would be in the deal, as would Indians outfielder Franklin Gutierrez.
It is not yet clear which players are headed where.
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
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