First Speculation Opportunity Of The Winter
About damn time.
Also, Zduriencik has had conversations about another free-agent and may have an answer in 48 hours.
As the coaches were being introduced, GM Jack Zduriencik said he had one contract offer on the table to an unnamed free agent...
GM Jack Zduriencik said in a conference call Monday afternoon that he has one offer out to a free agent. He wouldn't say who it would be, but did say he hoped to have an answer ''in the next 24-48 hours.''
The free agent is:
-a position player
-not Mark Teixeira
-not Griffey
-not Manny Ramirez
-not Barry Bonds
...which leaves us with but several dozen possibilities.
If it turns out to be Ben Broussard my heart will melt.
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This comment and your first one suggest conflicting opinions of Zduriencik's level of competence
by Jeff on
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Why not, he won't cost us any draft picks, BECAUSE THE DBACKS DIDN'T FUCKING OFFER HIM ARBITRATION!
YOU DICKHOLES AREN’T FUCKING BROKE, QUIT ACTING LIKE IT!
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I heard he plays a mean left field.
Indie.
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You'd have to eb a retard to sign Pavano before March.
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HOW COULD YOU LEAVE THIS OUT
Mariners GM Jack Zduriencik said moments ago that he has had a conversation with the agent for outfielder Ken Griffey
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Not interesting
and 95% odds Goldberg initiated
by Jeff on
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Does Goldberg have any other clients?
I am no longer in Spokane, but I think I'll keep the name anyway.
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I was trying to narrow options for speculations
I am no longer in Spokane, but I think I'll keep the name anyway.
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Dec 1, 2008 4:26 PM PST
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He better after he got benched in favor of a girl
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by JI on
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A smart team would bring in Edmonds on a one year deal to appease the nostalgia factor.
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by JI on
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I hope Griffey's old ass falls down the stairs
by Jeff on
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OK, I understand not being interested in Griffey
But what’s with all the active hate? I mean, I hope that they don’t go anywhere NEAR him, but why are so many people here so hostile?
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Dec 1, 2008 4:29 PM PST
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Because it's a terrible baseball decision
and many (otherwise smart) people are blind to that because they can’t separate their personal feelings from business.
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by JI on
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I don't think I've seen irrational Griffey love since his like May 2008
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I irrationally love Griffey and would buy M's tickets if he were to come back
then of course I’d buy the tickets either way but…
If we’re going to suck, I’m totally OK with the nostalgia trip while we’re at it
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Hmmm, I wonder if he can get to 3,000
2,680 right now. He might have a shot if he plays for AL teams and plays DH for the next two years…
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Because some of us aren't infatuated with Griffey
And don’t want 4 years of nauseating Griffey circle jerks to make us hate this team anymore than we already do.
by Robert on
Dec 1, 2008 6:25 PM PST
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Four years?
That’s optimistically pessimistic.
by Matthew on
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Only midly racist?
How the fuck are my eyes able to see that?
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Dec 1, 2008 5:58 PM PST
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Amazing, I was able to see it instantly as well.
The human brain is the shiz when it comes to pattern recognition.
Patriotism, Pepper, Professionalism
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Dec 3, 2008 2:10 AM PST
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I invite "Mr. X" to come around here and try to defend these bullshit comments
DMZ is your typical, bargain basement liberal. He looks at Ichiro Suzuki, and sees his race first. Then the makes the dramatic leap that other people who share Ichiro’s race would feel threatened here as well. These people are race-obsessed, and can’t see anything beyond it. Unless every player from Japan shares Ichiro’s unique character traits (trying to be nice here), I don’t know why they would have anything to worry about.
Fucking wow.
Fans are typically idiots.
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Dec 1, 2008 5:52 PM PST
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This makes lots of sense
I can tell you for one that growing up Japanese in Seattle was very hard on me because of racist assholes like DMZ.
Uh…. seriously? That was one of the weirdest comments of all time, especially how he blamed Derek for being race obsessed
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P.S.
Why does everyone assume that since he is from Japan that he is going to be good. The guy wasn’t even drafted for the Japanese professional leagues and he was playing amateur ball last year. Sure he throws 95 but so do a lot of highschool and and college players who never crack the big leagues. Giving 3 million to an unproven amateur palyer would be stupid and I say good for the M’s for not offering him the moon.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but Tazawa was the one that asked the pros not to draft him so he could go play in America, right?
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I take offense with that
if only because I use “Mr. X” as a bowling nickname. I wish to not be associated with the above quote.
by Two Rs and Two Ls on
Dec 1, 2008 7:01 PM PST
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Ok, found it.
WOW. Projection much?
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Dec 1, 2008 7:13 PM PST
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OMG DMZ IS RACIST
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And I guess I should read the whole subthread before commenting
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One of the comments had a bizarre, random swipe at Derek:
“DMZ is your typical, bargain basement liberal. He looks at Ichiro Suzuki, and sees his race first. Then the makes the dramatic leap that other people who share Ichiro’s race would feel threatened here as well. These people are race-obsessed, and can’t see anything beyond it. Unless every player from Japan shares Ichiro’s unique character traits (trying to be nice here), I don’t know why they would have anything to worry about.”
Needs more “LEAVE GEFF BAKER ALONE11!!!”
Every day I hear about Seattle sports' failures. Every night I fall asleep to the sound of my own tears.
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Dec 1, 2008 6:44 PM PST
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Damn, Corco beat me to it.
Every day I hear about Seattle sports' failures. Every night I fall asleep to the sound of my own tears.
by Benne on
Dec 1, 2008 6:45 PM PST
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Corco beat you to it?

Fans are typically idiots.
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Dec 1, 2008 8:32 PM PST
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I beat him to being the second person to mention it
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News!
This almost makes up for the want of baseball at 10 every night
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If Bavasi were still the President of Marineria
we could look forward to the emphatic signing of Mark Loretta for 3 years and 18 million.
Can't wait for Ruskell to knock this one out of the park.
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I'd guess Kapler, but I'm not sure he makes much sense outside of the Brewers tie.
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Have you seen our outfield?
Kapler would be #2 on the depth chart.
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Rich Aurilia!
PLEASE! BE RICH AURILIA!
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Where the hell did this come from Coach?
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I was just scanning the list of free-agent for really bad players.
Then I saw Aurilia and remembered how bad he was for us in 2004, how he’s a first baseman now and since he’s not a Type A or Type B free agent. And it’d be awesome if they signed him.
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As an NRI as the new Miguel Cairo -Miguel Cairo's playing time option, sure
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by I'm NOT Corco on
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How the hell is he a Type B Free Agent?
What arcane sorcery is Elias practicing?
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Holy shit I completely forgot about Milton Bradley.
Yes please.
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I really hope that Z isn't one of those people who refuse to get good, cheap players
because they’ve had “problems” in their careers.
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It would be a bold first step for his regime.
Bradley wants money, of course. But he also wants years.
meet me at the mawwl... it's goin dowwn...
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Dec 1, 2008 6:48 PM PST
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Ivan Rodriguez!
Somebody has to “mentor” Jeff Clement. Yeah.
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Scott Podsednik
I am no longer in Spokane, but I think I'll keep the name anyway.
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Crede, maybe?
As a cheap stop-gap replacement for Beltre?
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Rotoworld
Alan Embree told MLB.com on Monday that his agent has received interest from 10 organizations, including the Mariners.
Mariners GM Jack Zduriencik said Monday that he has made an offer to a free agent and hopes to have a response in the next 24-48 hours. There’s no particular reason to think it’s Embree, other than that it would make sense that the offer was to a reliever.
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I don't even know why Embree would want to come to Seattle
If he has really received calls from 10 orgs, and this is his last year, I’d assume he’d want to be on a team with a chance of making the playoffs, and odds are one of those 10 has a chance
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oh right he's local
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he's local
and he liked working with Wakamatsu
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Odds are no, actually.
Why would a playoff-caliber team sign Alan Embree?
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Becuase he's left-handed and above average.
by Matthew on
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He blew it all the time for Boston back in 2005, though.
He was just awful.
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I heard he always eats all the roast beef in the post-game buffet too. What an asshole.
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He wasn't even that good the last few seasons.
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He might have a point
Last 2 years he hasn’t looked great. Velocity is still good. Barely used his slider last year. Maybe he was hurt a little. This year his control kinda sucked.
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lol but than we wouldnt have to worry about silva anymore lol
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You should really read the LL style guide and the LL wiki before commenting.
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Is quickly shaping up (lol) to be a more hated pitcher than Jarrod Washburn.
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rofl did u no that silva gained a lot of weight this year
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British people are fat
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Yeah but 10 organizations have offers out or 1/3 of MLB
13 orgs finished below .500, and the AL West isn’t going to be so unbalanced this year, so Oakland could contend, Detroit and Altanta still have “brand name” value, and Colorado could still reasonably contend.
So at least 1 of those ten teams are better bets for the playoffs then the Mariners.
But then the odds that the 10 teams he got offers from are the 10 worst teams in baseball is remarkably low, as all 10 of the 10 worst teams in baseball aren’t going to be chasing aging lefty setup guys to throw guaranteed money at
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I'd take a flyer on Bonds before Griffey.
Hopefully it is someone who can play SS.
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Yuniesky Betancourt "plays" shortstop
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Too bad he doesn't "play" it "well".
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He is training w/ Raul
He may yet learn what defensive pride is all about. Have hope dammit.
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I always hope for the best
experience, on the other hand, has taught me to expect the worst
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Maybe
We’re the mystery team in for Furcal.
BOOYA! You got Slurved!
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Gotta be a minor hitter
and I’d wager an outfielder, so I’m guessing Edmonds as well.
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(but he better be playing left field or first)
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Good call Matthew.
Much as i would like the “mystery player” to be a difference maker with the bat (Bradley etc.), from a budget standpoint it is probably a “minor hitter” who costs less but has a relatively good glove, someone like Edmonds.
BB wasting big money on guys like Silva, Batista, Washburn, (past) Sexson, is costing us now.
But as JI post below, Edmonds probably can’t handle CF anymore. Another possibility for the mystery guy could be some CF with a good glove and mediocre bat (also costing less than 5 million), but I don’t have a name.
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I don't really assume it's a budget thing and more a, any free agent who's willing to make a signing so quickly
is either a big name getting a huge deal or a minor name getting an average deal.
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damn
i thought he was. oh well. still, that catch is freaking ridiculous. plus, he’s a pretty criminally underrated ballplayer.
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Raul Ibanez has made 2 above average catches in his entire career
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i'm talking about endy chavez.....
and on the internets do i really have to capitalize? is it english class? or is that a LL rule….
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That is indeed a LL rule.
You might want to take a look at the LL Style Guide.
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I THOUGHT THIS WAS AMERICA!

Seriously, though, writing like an adult is not something that should be exclusive to English class.
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I died inside when this happened but Beltran brought me back to life.
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He saved me from the nothing I became
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If true this would be hilarious
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It makes some baseball sense
But from an emotional perspective it seems like GMZ is saying “Hey! I want to be one of those cybermetric GMs too!” and then read Moneyball and decided to get the same players
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and I'm undecided if it's hilariously awesome or not
either way it would be really cheap so there’s nothing to complain about, and a reasonably high upside, and because of all that he could be flipped at the deadline if he’s producing
So I guess it’s fine by me
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Why would we sign a 39 year old first baseman who had a horrific
collapse this season?
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Roster filler.
Plus Hatteberg was decent as recently as 07, and his 08 doesn’t count as a collapse.
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.191 BABIP
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Is Brian Daubach available?
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No we want Dave McCarty to be a P-1B
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Furcal.
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
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Is melting good or bad?
The end of your post is very confusing.
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My itchy eye tells me it's
Joe Crede.
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:O
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If so, I hope the offer is a picture of Big Z's middle finger.
Or his balls.
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PLZ
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Lowballing Tex or CC
I can only hope
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Adam Everett
I would be thrilled if that happened.
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Jeez, people...
Okay, so my vote goes to Abreu.
Raul Ibanez with good defense…
This signature space for rent.
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And by "good" I mean "not horrible"
This signature space for rent.
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Abreu is a pretty horrible defender by most accounts I've seen.
52 plays below average over the past three years, according to Dewan.
-24 last year alone.
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Was my second choice.
There’s a chance we could get him to DH as well.
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DoyleDoyleDoyleDoyleDoyleDoyleDoyleDoyleDoyleDoyleDoyleDoyleDoyleDoyleDoyleDoyleDoyle
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He tore his ACL walking in for his physical.
I fucking hate you Mariners
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Griffey Haters...
Griffey is the best Mariner ever. If he comes back to the mariners will you boo him? I doubt it. He is better right now than Raul Ibanez. Put him in left. or let him DH. He is an upgrade from the starting DH last year right (Vidro.). I think he has a couple good years left in him, if he can play 100 games why not.
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I will boo him if he sucks, which all indications say that he will.
Also, there’s the consideration that once he’s on the team, management will be handcuffed into playing him until he retires or face intense fan scrutiny. Everyone is an upgrade from Vidro last year so that’s a pointless argument to make and your unsubstantiated opinion of his remaining value is worthless in the face of actual projection and performance/cost analysis that’s been done here and elsewhere.
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I will not boo him no matter how badly he sucks
even if all signs point to him being an utter disaster =(
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Babe Ruth was the best baseball player ever
that doesn’t mean I want his dessicated corpse on the Mariner roster. When you’re talking about building a team, nostalgia is poison – Griffey’s best days are well, well (WELL) behind him at this point and I see no reason whatsoever that he should come back to Seattle for one last go-round if he has nothing to contribute. Which he does not.
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Actually, Honus Wagner was
but your point holds.
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You take the Godfather, I will take the Godson... as much as it pains me.
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Best hitter of all time
but what about Mays’ defense at a premium defensive position? Bonds was never awful, but he played a less critical position for most of his career much worse than Mays played CF
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.302/.384/.552 for Mays with 338 SBs and CF defense... .298/.444/.607 for Bonds with 514 SBs and for much of his career average of above average defense.
Factor in likely stiffer competition for Bonds and those extra .110 OPS points look that much more impressive. I mean, he had a full season with a .609 OBP.
I don’t think you can really say Mays was better, but that’s just my dumbass opinion.
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There's an argument to be had because of Mays' defense
and that Mays played in the most oppressive offensive era in modern baseball.
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I just remember talking with Matthew about this and we pretty much came to the conclusion that Bonds is the best, period.
But that was almost a year ago so who knows.
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I don't think much has changed in Bonds or Mays' career portfolios in the past year
by seattlebruin on
Dec 2, 2008 9:48 AM PST
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But the way we evaluate them may have.
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by BrettJMiller on
Dec 2, 2008 9:51 AM PST
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I think much of the Bonds' "best ever" stuff
was a reaction to his incredible prime,. If you’re gonna talk about Bonds, you have to discuss Ted Williams.
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by JI on
Dec 2, 2008 9:50 AM PST
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That was my main argument against Bonds, but Matthew swayed me.
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by BrettJMiller on
Dec 2, 2008 9:51 AM PST
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Mantle has similar career numbers and had more defensive value
but his career ended a few years too early.
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by JI on
Dec 2, 2008 9:54 AM PST
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Has anyone done a park adjustment on these numbers?
Mays played in some cavernous ballparks while Bonds was able to take advantage (both defensively and offensively) of the smaller parks.
>cough>andtakeadvantageofbettersportsmedicine>cough>
by Wilder. on
Dec 2, 2008 10:04 AM PST
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Bonds was actually a good fielder when he was young.
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by JI on
Dec 2, 2008 10:21 AM PST
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It felt somewhat implied.
Bonds could have played center OK in his youth.
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by JI on
Dec 2, 2008 10:24 AM PST
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And he was well above average in left
I was referring more to his offensive peak when he was a below average defender in LF. If we’re going to say that Bonds was the best because of his peak, we have to consider that his defense at his peak wasn’t nearly what it was when he was younger and faster.
by seattlebruin on
Dec 2, 2008 10:28 AM PST
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At his peak 2001-04
I always though Bonds was a neutral left fielder.
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by JI on
Dec 2, 2008 10:34 AM PST
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Why the fucking hell would we boo Ken Griffey Jr. if he returned to Seattle?
He’s a local legend, he’s not very good anymore, and the fanbase is divided between “let’s not bring in a bad player” and “it would be really neat to see Junior finish his career in Seattle.” There’s no mention of booing him should he return. How many times do we need to go over this?
by seattlebruin on
Dec 2, 2008 9:26 AM PST
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God damn it we'd gone so long without an irrational Griffey love post.
Look, the Griffey hate is annoying and nonsensical these days because (generally) no one gives him irrational love anymore, but you just fueled the Griffey hatred fire, which is one of the most annoying dead memes on LL. Way to go, asshole.
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by BrettJMiller on
Dec 2, 2008 9:37 AM PST
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I would say Griffey hating is anything but a dead meme.
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by JI on
Dec 2, 2008 9:43 AM PST
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I just want anything having to do with Griffey to go away.
Most of the Griffey irrational love is gone, and I guess I don’t get the hate. I understood it at the time of him returning to Safeco—yeah, a lot of dumb fans thought he was the missing piece of the puzzle and it would be sentimental and cool blah blah blah, but 95% of the fanbase seems to realize it’s a bad idea to bring him back. Everyone’s just preaching to the choir, and the jokes haven’t even changed.
I don’t want to sign him, but I’m sure there are worse things that could happen than a former icon coming back to his old team and not blocking a prospect while the team rebuilds to sell some tickets. I’m pretty damn sure we won’t sign him anyway so this doesn’t matter. I understand not wanting him to be a Mariner, I just don’t understand flat out hating the guy. Yes, he’s not good, yes, we shouldn’t sign him. But the LLemming mentality of taking Jeff’s idea that Griffey is bad then beating the dead horse to death and then a bunch of people who aren’t funny trying to make jokes (this applies to anything) is really annoying.
I just don’t understand why not wanting him to become a Mariner basically turned into “He’s terrible and fuck everything about him and his whole career.” Whose family did Griffey rape anyway?
And cue something about how I’m a god damn retard in….now.
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by BrettJMiller on
Dec 2, 2008 9:59 AM PST
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Hey it's not my idea that Griffey is bad
That’s the universe’s idea.
by Jeff on
Dec 2, 2008 10:01 AM PST
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Well, I guess I meant your post. Which is true, he's bad. But the stuff that's followed from other readers it just retarded.
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by BrettJMiller on
Dec 2, 2008 10:03 AM PST
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The more people defend Griffey
The more outrageous the claims against him are going to get. It’s solely a reaction to those who can’t be objective about him.
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by JI on
Dec 2, 2008 10:04 AM PST
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Also I should say that since I've never lived in Seattle and didn't get to watch the M's on a daily basis until 2004 Griffey never really did shit for me
by Jeff on
Dec 2, 2008 10:07 AM PST
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I got to watch Griffey every day and I loved doing so
But he is one of the most overrated players on the face of the planet, and I’m tired of all the over the top descriptions of how great he was.
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by JI on
Dec 2, 2008 10:08 AM PST
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I loved him too. I and I still love the memories of young Griffey,
but I don’t want the worn out tired old Griffey who can’t hit anymore.
I am no longer in Spokane, but I think I'll keep the name anyway.
by InSpokane on
Dec 2, 2008 10:11 AM PST
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I heard he spends the off season strangling cats
and shoving cat corpses down the throats of homeless people.
Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.
by pdb on
Dec 2, 2008 10:08 AM PST
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That sounds like working out.
Must have been someone else.
by Sec 108 on
Dec 2, 2008 10:08 AM PST
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He's helping to solve our population problems
by seattlebruin on
Dec 2, 2008 10:09 AM PST
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and our pet overpopulation problems
HE SAVED HUMANITY OMG
Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.
by pdb on
Dec 2, 2008 10:10 AM PST
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We don't actually hate Griffey
we hate what he represents.
And since Jeff expresses it in humorous ways I will welcome it until the day he retires.
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by JI on
Dec 2, 2008 10:02 AM PST
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Agreeing with Jeff doesn't mean you're an LLemming.
by acblue on
Dec 2, 2008 1:50 PM PST
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What happens when Jeff agrees with you?
The Reverse LLemming Effect?
by Fogel on
Dec 2, 2008 3:39 PM PST
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I did not read it that way ac.
It is more of a, “Jeff hates Griffey so now I should rip on him relentlessly.”
by Sec 108 on
Dec 2, 2008 3:46 PM PST
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This.
Agreeing with Jeff is one thing, but ripping him relentlessly to say “See! I hate him too! Look at me! I agree! I can be funny about it too! Look at me, look at me, loooook at meeeeeee!” seems to happen a lot these days. Not just on the Griffey subject, but that’s a good example.
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by BrettJMiller on
Dec 3, 2008 9:09 AM PST
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I don't want Griffey to come back
because I don’t want my last memories of him as a player to be him gimping around the field.
by BrianL on
Dec 3, 2008 8:15 PM PST
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If Griffey hating is a dead meme then I don't want to be alive
by Jeff on
Dec 2, 2008 9:46 AM PST
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I don't actually hate Griffey in the least
I just want him nowhere near a Seattle Mariners uniform in 2009.
Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.
by pdb on
Dec 2, 2008 9:54 AM PST
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I don't hate him either but I've been forced into that corner and I'll defend it to the death
by Jeff on
Dec 2, 2008 9:55 AM PST
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you're a man of principle and I respect that
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by pdb on
Dec 2, 2008 10:01 AM PST
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People who understand the projection systems better than I do
What would be your opinions of Griffey for ’08 and maybe (but hopefully not) ’09?
Something like 95% best case, median, and 5% worst case absolute collapse. Is an .800 OPS next season reasonable given that he has good health for the entire season and is limited to say 85% DH, 5% 1B and an occasional stint in a corner? I know you could find a replacement level player to put up those kind of offensive number fairly easily, but it’s safe to say that the Jack Cust’s of the world won’t draw nearly the attention of Ken Griffey, and that might just be worth the ~$5M difference between their ’08 potential salaries.
by seattlebruin on
Dec 2, 2008 9:36 AM PST
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My projections for Griffey in '08:
.249/.353/.424
by Wilder. on
Dec 2, 2008 9:39 AM PST
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I'd say between 18 and 18 home runs.
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by BrettJMiller on
Dec 2, 2008 9:42 AM PST
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So is that assuming he plays in the Great American Ballpark or US Cellular for half his games and plays CF some of the time?
Argh, I’m retarded… I meant ‘09/’10
by seattlebruin on
Dec 2, 2008 9:43 AM PST
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I'd say Griffey's due for a ~.325-.335 wOBA next year
as DH, that makes him a replacement-level player.
His upside is probably ~.350, and his downside is horrifying.
by Jeff on
Dec 2, 2008 9:50 AM PST
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How far above average is .350? 1 WAR? 1.5?
by seattlebruin on
Dec 2, 2008 9:56 AM PST
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And I was called a faggot for questioning Edgar's HOF credentials.
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by JI on
Dec 2, 2008 10:03 AM PST
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Edgar would have real HOF credentials if the Mariners hadn't retardedly kept him in AAA for so long
by seattlebruin on
Dec 2, 2008 10:04 AM PST
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I think you can give him the benefit of the doubt.
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by JI on
Dec 2, 2008 10:05 AM PST
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Well obviously
He was a DH who had a short career.
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by JI on
Dec 2, 2008 10:07 AM PST
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It's kind of a moot point now, but this question should have read "how far above replacement is .350," not "how far above average"
since I’m unfortunately rather aware that Ken Griffey won’t even be sniffing average next season
by seattlebruin on
Dec 2, 2008 10:07 AM PST
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Fortunately, he won't be sniffing glue, either
so he should still be good for a “famous ballplayer” talking-head slot somewhere.
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Dec 2, 2008 4:43 PM PST
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I hope we trade for Khalil Greene
though if Petco got in his head that bad, I can’t imagine Safeco would be much better. At least he wouldn’t be Yuni in the field
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