Arbitration For Raul
by Jeff
on Dec 1, 2008 12:47 PM PST
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Good news from Larry LaRue. After Raul declines and goes away to be someone else's hilassacre, we'll land a pair of picks, and thereby avoid the retarded Jose Guillen mistake we made last winter. You want evidence that the new administration is better than the old one? There you go. Good heavens was that ever stupid.
In addition, we're bringing in two new coaches. Ty Van Burkleo comes over from Oakland to be Wakamatsu's new drinking buddy, and Lee Tinsley will regale baserunners and first basemen alike with stories of how he totally sucked in Sega's World Series Baseball '94. I expect he'll also give good advice, because if Tinsley learned anything from his own career, it's that standing on first base is a rare privilege, not a right, and you shouldn't try to pull anything stupid because you never know if you'll ever be back there again. Isn't that right, Lee? You were a bad little player, weren't you? Weren't you? Yes you were. awww
Fun fact: in 1996, Tinsley was successful on eight of twenty steal attempts.
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Thank god.
Lets bring on the draft picks!
by Kirkharbaugh on
Dec 1, 2008 12:50 PM PST
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Dammit.
No draft picks for Bloomquist or Cairo.
Well, I don’t think you get picks for Type Z- players anyway, so, YAAAAaaawwwwwnnn…
This signature space for rent.
by PositivePaul on
Dec 1, 2008 1:11 PM PST
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You were a bad little player, weren’t you? Weren’t you? Yes you were. awww
are you talking dirty to Lee Tinsley? You dirty dog.
by Bearskin Rugburn on
Dec 1, 2008 1:35 PM PST
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I was actually talking to him like a child
by Jeff on
Dec 1, 2008 1:49 PM PST
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You talk to children is if they were dogs?
by BrianL on
Dec 1, 2008 1:51 PM PST
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You can't make fur coats out of children.
Furcal
by JI on
Dec 1, 2008 1:54 PM PST
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you can if you let their hair grow out first
Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.
by pdb on
Dec 1, 2008 1:55 PM PST
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pdb knows what he's talking about.
I have a childfur cover for my office chair. Luxurious.
I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.
by Llewdor on
Dec 2, 2008 9:01 AM PST
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that's good livin'
Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.
by pdb on
Dec 2, 2008 9:09 AM PST
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how do you talk to good dogs?
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by pdb on
Dec 1, 2008 1:55 PM PST
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a reasonable course of action
Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.
by pdb on
Dec 1, 2008 2:28 PM PST
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How fucked up are you to actively talk dirty to children?
by Robert on
Dec 1, 2008 7:56 PM PST
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Isn't that what the internet is for?
I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.
by Llewdor on
Dec 2, 2008 9:02 AM PST
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This is terrible
Now were stuck with him for another year at an inflated salary because he won’t get any multi-year offers anywhere else.
Furcal
by JI on
Dec 1, 2008 1:44 PM PST
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Fun fact: in 1996, Tinsley was successful on eight of twenty steal attempts.
13 for 13 in 1994!
Furcal
by JI on
Dec 1, 2008 1:52 PM PST
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I am looking forward to the 4 picks.
Is there any word as to whether Albert Pujols will be available via the Rule 5? That would be a decent signing I guess.
Can't wait for Ruskell to knock this one out of the park.
by abender20 on
Dec 1, 2008 1:56 PM PST
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4 first rounders, I should have said.
The M’s first rounder, the recouped first rounder for not signing Josh Fields, and the 1st pick + sandwich pick for Raul presumably signing elsewhere. 4 picks. A step in the right direction.
Can't wait for Ruskell to knock this one out of the park.
by abender20 on
Dec 1, 2008 2:49 PM PST
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Yes, four picks.
We’ll have four picks in the first two rounds of next year’s draft. That assumes Raul doesn’t take arby and that he signs with a team that would have to give up a first (preferable) or second round pick by signing him, but it seems possible.
We get five picks if Fields doesn’t sign, four of them in first round.
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/
by JY on
Dec 1, 2008 2:50 PM PST
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Heh
Did you hear the one about Raul Ibanez and the hyperbaric chamber?
“The first thing people say is, ‘Oh, you mean like Michael Jackson?’” Ibanez says, chuckling. "I’m not afraid of that stigma.
You name it, Ibanez is doing it — joint alignment, muscle activation, active-release techniques, even Brazilian jiujitsu. He speaks with conviction about trying to reach his “genetic threshold,” or physical peak. He even keeps three hitting advisors — former major leaguers Edgar Martinez, Chili Davis and Kevin Seitzer — on speed dial.
To the average person, his techniques might sound like weird science. Ibanez responds, “If you Google all this stuff, it’s real science.” And with baseball now testing for performance-enhancing drugs, such avenues of training become that much more important.
http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/8874364/Ibanez-more-intense-than-most-about-training
Furcal
by JI on
Dec 1, 2008 1:58 PM PST
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That is weird.
I am no longer in Spokane, but I think I'll keep the name anyway.
by InSpokane on
Dec 1, 2008 2:07 PM PST
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And with baseball now testing for performance-enhancing drugs, such avenues of training become that much more important.
… cause Selig can’t test me for batshit crazy! Hah!
Also, what was that about MJ?
by Bearskin Rugburn on
Dec 1, 2008 2:11 PM PST
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I thought it strange he referred to Michael Jackson instead of someone like Anthony Gonzalez.
But I guess Ibanez being compared to a batshit crazy music performer is closer than a football athlete.
by Wilder. on
Dec 1, 2008 2:41 PM PST
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Lance Armstrong use one as well.
I think it is because Raul and Michael Jackson share the same throwing arm.
I am no longer in Spokane, but I think I'll keep the name anyway.
by InSpokane on
Dec 1, 2008 2:43 PM PST
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you guys are way too harsh on raul
he’s not as bad as you portray him to be
by Woodinville_12thMan on
Dec 1, 2008 2:20 PM PST
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Defensively, yes he his.
We all agree he’s a quality bat.
Man do I love midgets.
by Thingray on
Dec 1, 2008 2:21 PM PST
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He's below average
that’s pretty bad for a guy who gets so much attention.
by Jeff on
Dec 1, 2008 2:24 PM PST
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He's not below average
The mariners were just too retarded to use him as a DH.
by Edgar for Pres on
Dec 1, 2008 3:44 PM PST
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He's less valuable than an average baseball player.
by Teej on
Dec 1, 2008 3:52 PM PST
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To expand:
As Dave put it, when defense is factored in, Ibanez is about 1 or 1.5 wins above replacement. Average is around 2.
Moving him to DH obviously takes away his bad defense, but that also strips a lot of value from him because now you’ve filled the spot in the lineup where it’s quite easy to find a good hitter.
Raul would have been an above-average DH in 2008, but he still wouldn’t have been an above-average MLB player.
by Teej on
Dec 1, 2008 3:57 PM PST
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Using WAR, he's still below average even as a DH
by Jeff on
Dec 1, 2008 4:00 PM PST
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How many runs are you taking off for DH
just wondering.
by Edgar for Pres on
Dec 1, 2008 4:28 PM PST
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DH adjustment is -1.75 wins
by Jeff on
Dec 1, 2008 4:38 PM PST
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Wasn't Ibanez over +2 wins with the bat?
by Edgar for Pres on
Dec 1, 2008 4:41 PM PST
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Nope
Also, are we talking about Ibanez 2008 or Ibanez going forward?
by Jeff on
Dec 1, 2008 4:45 PM PST
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I thought 2008
Sorry, yeah going forward he is gonna fall off a cliff.
by Edgar for Pres on
Dec 1, 2008 5:22 PM PST
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yes i agree with this
you’re right, he is defensively very bad
by Woodinville_12thMan on
Dec 1, 2008 9:47 PM PST
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Raul was the worst defensive outfielder on the team
and he played in the biggest part of Safeco’s outfield. Any contribution he made with the bat was given right back when he took the field.
by BrianL on
Dec 1, 2008 2:28 PM PST
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I heard he deals weed to 12-year olds.
by Wilder. on
Dec 1, 2008 2:44 PM PST
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I heard he beat up a 12 year old that fell behind on his weed payments.
Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.
by pdb on
Dec 1, 2008 2:46 PM PST
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Well, you have to teach them about good credit early. Just think if everyone learned that lesson at 12, the US finical outlook would substantially different.
I am no longer in Spokane, but I think I'll keep the name anyway.
by InSpokane on
Dec 1, 2008 2:49 PM PST
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Well, I'd say we rather brought in somebody smarter
than actually learned something since learning something means the same person has to avoid a prior mistake.
by Matthew on
Dec 1, 2008 3:41 PM PST
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The martial arts training taught Ibanez how to better fall and roll in the outfield, and helps him with his flexibility.
[snerk]
by msb on
Dec 1, 2008 3:32 PM PST
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Plus, if he ever charges the mound he can get the pitcher in a GogoPlata
I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.
by Llewdor on
Dec 2, 2008 9:05 AM PST
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Hahahaha
Lee Tinsley? Thats what I love about coaches, most of the time it’s a player you remember but never thought youd EVER see again.
So…Jeff Huson for 3rd base coach next year then? Is Brent Gates doing anything?
by Karma Police on
Dec 1, 2008 3:54 PM PST
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that's easy.
Huson is an analyst for the FSN Rockies broadcasts.
Gates is the baseball coach at Grand Rapids Christian HS. His wife coaches volleyball at East Grand Rapids HS.
by msb on
Dec 1, 2008 10:15 PM PST
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Hard to believe
we went from having the worst run ball club in baseball to one of the best run clubs in just a matter of a couple of months.
Midnight Baseball - No Lights - Only in Alaska!
by MfaninAlaska on
Dec 1, 2008 4:23 PM PST
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I'm going to hold off on the hyperbolic "best run teams" until I see something to prove it
by seattlebruin on
Dec 1, 2008 5:04 PM PST
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agreed.
Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.
by pdb on
Dec 1, 2008 7:47 PM PST
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Me too
though it’s actually plausible that we might end up saying it. We probably won’t, though I do think we’ll at least be better than average, but I can actually see this FO being one of the best in the majors. Something to hope for, anyway — which is a nice change.
by The Ancient Mariner on
Dec 2, 2008 6:41 AM PST
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And to think GMZ was the last guy on the list we wanted.
I recall us all clamouring for Ng or LeCava.
I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.
by Llewdor on
Dec 2, 2008 9:06 AM PST
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