Awesome No-Name-Value Team

by Jeff on Nov 8, 2008 4:06 PM PST in The More You Know Comment 46 comments

C: Mike Napoli
1B: Adrian Gonzalez
2B: Mark Ellis
SS: Yunel Escobar
3B: Kevin Kouzmanoff
LF: David DeJesus
CF: Adam Jones
RF: Randy Winn
DH: Jason Kubel

SP: Zack Greinke
SP: Hiroki Kuroda
SP: Ricky Nolasco
SP: Ubaldo Jimenez
SP: Andy Sonnanstine
CL: Matt Capps

If you set the replacement level at .292, and add a win above replacement for both the bench and the rest of the bullpen, this team would be expected to win between 90 and 100 games.

It's not the perfect awesome no-name-value team; it's an example of an awesome no-name-value team. And hey look the defense is amazing. Get out.

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But they have no legit ace!

Good stuff, and im never tiring of the love you give my fellow Andy.

by Slica on Nov 8, 2008 4:18 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

You're probably right

Winn is obscenely underrated, though.

by Jeff on Nov 8, 2008 4:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Yes.

by JI on Nov 8, 2008 4:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Can we trade for Winn already?

by JI on Nov 8, 2008 5:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Didn't we used to complain about Winn's rag arm?

by chinn on Nov 8, 2008 5:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I never did.

by JI on Nov 8, 2008 5:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

As a CF we did. Because he does have a weak arm for a CF.

It’s fine for a COF though.

"Hole in one, eh?"

by Coach Owens on Nov 9, 2008 5:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Marco Scutaro?

Not a full-time 3B, but the fielding bible has him at a crazy +15 in just 41 games at 3B. That makes up at least in part for swinging a candy cane.

by slamcactus on Nov 8, 2008 5:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I'm not buying that as his true talent

by Jeff on Nov 8, 2008 5:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

You probably want a RHB on the bench to platoon with Kubel...

…but that’s like shooting fish in a barrel.

The best thing about having an awesome defense is that at the end of the season, your pitchers will no longer be no-namers and you can sell high on one or two them to some unwitting GM who can’t tell the difference between pitching and run prevention.

by ubelmann on Nov 8, 2008 4:57 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

x

that’s hot

by alon91 on Nov 8, 2008 5:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I HATE MIKE NAPOLI

by chinn on Nov 8, 2008 5:31 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

He's a Mariner-killer, it seems.

Indie.

by Taylor H on Nov 9, 2008 1:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Not only is this comment extremely useful

it has near-perfect Coach replica punctuation to boot.

by JI on Nov 9, 2008 1:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

heh

by Robert on Nov 9, 2008 10:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

You chose the 25 comments most like Will's? That's dedication!

Indie.

by Taylor H on Nov 10, 2008 9:21 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Kuroda is a no name?

by Goose on Nov 8, 2008 6:10 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

He didn't get much credit for being awesome this year.

by Teej on Nov 8, 2008 6:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Seems like it

but feel free to replace him with, I dunno, Wandy Rodriguez or Jair Jurrjens or someone.

by Jeff on Nov 8, 2008 7:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

You put any stock into Wandy's home-road splits?

by Teej on Nov 8, 2008 7:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Nope

I always look at the overall picture, and besides, there’s no reason for Minute Maid to work like that.

by Jeff on Nov 8, 2008 7:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Figured.

I think I even started to notice it evening out toward the end of the year anyway.

by Teej on Nov 8, 2008 7:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Not only is Jair Jurrjens an awesome no-name guy he also has an awesome name

by Nick S on Nov 9, 2008 7:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Replacing Kuroda with Wandy

puts the team cost at under 30MM.

This.

by Blicks on Nov 9, 2008 8:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Or Jair, for that matter.

Personally, I prefer Jair.

This.

by Blicks on Nov 9, 2008 8:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Mike Napoli is the awesome

What do you think the Angels want for him?

Also, Mike Napoli compares fourth most favorably to Rick Wilkins through the age of 26. And in Ken Griffey Jr. Presents Major League Baseball, Wilkins was the man.

by Frosty Raptor on Nov 8, 2008 6:16 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Yes, that's what we need...more catchers...

Oh wait…no.

by SethGrandpa on Nov 8, 2008 6:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Why not?

Jeff Clement is better served at first base and Kenji Johjima can be used as a DH or backup catcher. Assuming that Rob Johnson isn’t starting material in the majors, who else does that leave that can help Seattle immediately at the catcher’s position?

I don’t see a near-term log jam.

by Frosty Raptor on Nov 9, 2008 3:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I don't have a problem with acquiring more talent at catcher, but a lot of what you're saying isn't really true.

Clement might not be a catcher in the long term, but it’s too early to say for sure. Adam Moore is a factor. Johjima as DH makes me want to curl up into a little ball and cry.

J.K.L.

by acblue on Nov 9, 2008 3:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Johjima is good for shorter games man! Imagine all those GIDP's, much more efficient.

by dpseadv on Nov 9, 2008 6:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Well I didn't say Johjima at DH was multi-year solution

But given that the front office probably isn’t going to drop the clutch on playoff contention in ‘09, it’s a chance for Joh to restore his offensive prowess (for a catcher) and perhaps be unloaded onto another team.

Also, I thought Adam Moore was still developing.

by Frosty Raptor on Nov 9, 2008 11:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

No he's not

Bad defensive catcher with > league average bat vs. shitty defense 1B with > league average bat?

by Graham on Nov 9, 2008 3:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Has he already hit his ceiling with regards to defense at first base though?

He could improve. He doesn’t have a lot of professional experience at the position. And I know reasonable potential progression in defense is unlikely to offset the loss of transitioning his bat from catcher to first.

That said, is the influence (or lack of influence) of a bad defensive catcher on a pitcher’s performance predictably understood? What if there’s a catching “dark matter” that’s yet to be discovered?

by Frosty Raptor on Nov 9, 2008 11:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

And to think...

If Bill Bavasi was better at his job, we would’ve not only had Kuroda, but we would’ve also have been saved from signing that fat piece of shit Silva and possibly making that Bedard trade too. I am thinking, even though the Mariners would’ve most likely overpaid, I think the trade off would’ve been much better.

JI/Robert '08!

by Fin on Nov 8, 2008 11:34 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Jeff

How much money does this team make?

Just curious.

"I got my pregnant wife (the Yankee fan) with me. Hoping my kid learns to kick her everytime the Mets score." -Schifftis-

by future on Nov 9, 2008 11:26 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

I get 35.15 MM total

Napoli, Gonzalez, Escobar, Kouz, Jones, Sonny, Greinke, Jimenez all make league minimum. I might have missed someone who’s arbitration eligible, so someone feel free to correct me if I’m wrong.

3,200,000 total among all the players (assuming each get 400K).

DDJ- 3.7MM in 09
Capps – 2.3MM
Ellis- 5MM
Winn- 8.25MM
Kubel- goes to arbitration, made 1.3MM this year (let’s say he makes 5MM next year)
Kuroda- 10MM

This.

by Blicks on Nov 9, 2008 5:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs