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Cameron that is.

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It's rare that you get to help people that deserve help and rarer still when that effort costs you nothing but a few seconds (seriously, you have to click your mouse three times) and actually has a substantial benefit.

And hey, if anyone wants to send me $10K to help pay off my student loans, I'm listening.

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Thanks for pointing that out, Matthew. I hadn't been to USSM in a while.

Dave’s great at what he does, and I was happy to vote. Wish I could do it 5 or 10 times. Wait…..

by royalcurve on Nov 7, 2008 6:46 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Heh

Cameron:285 votes
Snively(?!?!?!):183 votes
Higgins:109 votes
Dingle:46 votes

by Goose on Nov 7, 2008 6:50 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

2 hours later:

Cameron:637
Snively:261
Higgins:150

by Goose on Nov 7, 2008 8:50 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Some of the other sites have double USSM's traffic

One of them is a political blog out of the midwest, and the guy currently in second place blogs for M.I.T.’s official admissions page. I would really love to win (seriously, a month into married life, $10,000 would be amazing), but I have a feeling this is going to take a lot of work to beat out a few of these other guys.

by davidcameron on Nov 7, 2008 7:11 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Honestly

Even Corco is no match for an M.I.T. student with a basic knowledge of how to write a poll-bombing script.

I’ve already sent an email to the people running the contest to make sure they’re on the lookout for people gaming the system. Hopefully, it’s a fair fight.

by davidcameron on Nov 7, 2008 7:18 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

And you sir are correct

I was hammered when I wrote that comment

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by I'm NOT Corco on Nov 17, 2008 7:39 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Corco is smarter than you think

With like 12 lines of code we can dominate this asshole

I’m not going to do it, but I certainly could

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by I'm NOT Corco on Nov 8, 2008 1:21 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Check your local TV schedule

and count how many of the shows involve popularity contests these days and say hello to today’s media culture.

by Matthew on Nov 8, 2008 10:35 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Well, those shows are designed to grab viewers so they can charge more for advertising.

Does the blog hosting this thing think they can reel in voters to enough of a degree to make money? I honestly don’t know, as I paid zero attention to what kind of site it was.

Beyond the Boxscore // Calling BJ Upton lazy is lazy.

by Sky Kalkman on Nov 9, 2008 8:43 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

The new wife

will have a hard time arguing that USSMariner is a huge waste of time after you win this thing.

by PascoJoe on Nov 8, 2008 4:35 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

We could probably get Athletics' Nation to vote for you, too.

I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.

by Llewdor on Nov 8, 2008 4:37 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Done and done.

Well, until tomorrow.

Is this a once a day thing, or a one and done poll?

by marc w on Nov 7, 2008 7:23 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Update!

Cameron:1240
Snively:382
Higgins:296
Peters:172
Taylor:148

by Goose on Nov 8, 2008 7:47 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

And here comes the sore losers- From the comments on the voting page:
If this contest is based on one’s ability to self-promote and mobilize a voting population for his selfish needs, then David Cameron is your man. I have never before been able to understand so much about an individuals’ personality on the web. His narcissitic and acerbic style literally drips off of the screen. The funny thing about this is that his field of expertise (sabermetrics) is already populated with his type of guy, so for him to stand out in a field so ripe with arrogance really is an accomplishment.

If his blog post regarding an Open Letter is any indication of his ability as an analyst, let’s hope that he does’nt quit his day job. That particular masterpiece was more like an open letter to swiss cheese. If what you strive for is a guy that uses a faulty thesis statement and backs it up with sub-standard statistics, Dave is your man. When he then uses his stat-world to advise on the field behavior, he gets so laughably out of his depth, only his 100 or so sheep at his site keep his head out of the water. I am sure that you all will be hearing multiple times from them, but he has scores of critics in the area who find him to be somewhat of a fraud.

by Goose on Nov 8, 2008 7:52 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

I hate people like this

Dave’s not perfect and it’s stupid to pretend he is. But he does know what he’s talking about and he works hard on providing quality content at USSM. I can’t imagine somebody more deserving of a $10,000 scholarship based on their blog

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by I'm NOT Corco on Nov 8, 2008 7:58 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

That's hilarious

If he only has 100 supporters, why does he have 1240 votes?

by Graham on Nov 8, 2008 8:12 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I was his 1500th vote

However, I am sympathetic to that persons drive. Cameron’s personality has always been a huge put-off for me, and I’ve never even posted on his site. I know there are legions of cool-headed people that agree with me.

I must ask: did anyone who voted for Dave give the other contestants a look? Sure, we all love Dave’s contributions, but it would be folly to just ASSUME he is superior to the other contestants, and we all know that once the combined forces of the Mariner’s blogosphere was mustered, the others had no chance without similar exploitation. I’m not trying to start a fight, I understand you all know and respect this man, but a 10K scholarship could literally turn some dudes life around, and it seems like highly destructive behavior to immediately honor Dave with your vote because you’re familiar with him.

Before launches a partisan attack against, I must say that I appreciate the fact that Dave has put some intellectual legitimacy behind Mariner’s related statistical analysis, and the Felix saga was pure victus.

by spittle8 on Nov 8, 2008 10:13 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

That's highly irresponsible

There are only a few places in this world where that kind of attitude is tolerated.

by spittle8 on Nov 8, 2008 11:02 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

No shit, in a totally wacko subthread. You said it, dude.

Screw you, Mariners. I'm back in football's loving arms. *edit: well, shit. This isn't going well.

by kevin_ess on Nov 8, 2008 7:57 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

The other argument, not that I disagree with your perspective...

is that by supporting Dave, you’re supporting his work. Do you want to encourage Dave to keep up the great baseball blogging or Snively to keep up the great MIT admissions blogging?

Beyond the Boxscore // Calling BJ Upton lazy is lazy.

by Sky Kalkman on Nov 9, 2008 8:45 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

did this argument really need to be reopened?

(i’m on your side here, but still)

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Nov 9, 2008 8:54 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Dave is a wonderful human being

And unless you’re willing to dig through the archives of every other contestant’s blog, I wouldn’t hold his personality against him.

I’m voting for Dave because USSMariner has done for me than all the other blogs in that contest put together.

by katal on Nov 8, 2008 10:20 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

To be more specific:

One is a blogspot and doesn’t stay on any specific topic.

The other is a decent political blog, but posts few and far between.

With the time and effort that goes into USSM, Dave (and Derek) deserve much more compensation than the 2nd and 3rd place blogs. If they are so good and have so many readers, the vote should indicate it and it does (at least until Snively writes some kind of script and wins on the last day).

by Wilder. on Nov 8, 2008 10:56 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

There are also 600 channels on tv I don't watch, and a bookstore just down the street full of books I'd love to read.

I have a finite amount of time. I know what I like. I feel not one ounce of guilt in the catastrophic consequences on other bloggers by blindly casting my vote for Dave Cameron. Life isn’t fair, suck it.

by dpseadv on Nov 8, 2008 1:54 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I never really got that impression with him.

He seems to always answer my questions politely and is very cool about his opinions. If anything, without getting all political, his blog most reminds me a Countdown with Keith Olbermann, compared to the other blogs/news sources. He does appear biased, but yet he also is very smart and is good about having his facts to back up his point, so its hard not to feel smarter after reading one of his articles.

If anything, I would think DMZ is the one with the big personality, but he is also very knowledgeable as well.

JI/Robert '08!

by Fin on Nov 9, 2008 12:21 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Oh I don't know.

Dave’s problem really isn’t his articles, it’s usually in the comments threads. He has a very short patience for ignorance and stupidity. Not that I blame him, mind you, I’m just saying it’s there. I myself have been on the receiving end of a Dave Cameron snark, and it’s pretty cold upon impact.

DMZ always struck me as the more laid back and humorous of the two. His book, The Cheater’s Guide to Baseball and the subsequent blog are full of whimsical stories and observations.

Fans are typically idiots.

by The Typical Idiot Fan on Nov 9, 2008 2:49 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Dave and DMZ are like yin and yang.

They have their problems separately, but their collective efforts are just awesome.

But speaking from personal experience, every time Dave’s gotten pissed at a commenter, it has been for pretty good reason.

Indie.

by Taylor H on Nov 9, 2008 1:20 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

They're fine on their own

Cheater’s Guide is a fantastic book, and Dave’s musings are the best thing about Fangraphs.

by JI on Nov 9, 2008 1:39 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

IMHO...

…you haven’t lived in the blogosphere until you’ve been directly whacked by a Dave Cameron snark. How you respond to it shows a heck of a lot more about you than it does Dave…

This signature space for rent.

by PositivePaul on Nov 14, 2008 1:58 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

heh.

memmmmmorrrrieeeeees … Dave first told me I was wrong back in, oh, ’98?

you know, when he was about 15….

by msb on Nov 15, 2008 9:05 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I might of have some snark from Dave.

I don’t remember it though. But I definitely remember times where I have received snark from DMZ, afterwards, I’ve learned to stay quiet unless I have something smart to post, and that everything is grammatically and spelt correctly.

by Fin on Nov 16, 2008 12:42 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

That's a prefectly cromulent spelling.

I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.

by Llewdor on Nov 17, 2008 9:59 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

True.

The irregular form isn’t very common in Am. English, so I’ve been taught to avoid it.

by Teej on Nov 17, 2008 11:34 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I would have said this was written by Detect-O-Vision but...

not enough “amigos” in there.

Fans are typically idiots.

by The Typical Idiot Fan on Nov 8, 2008 11:23 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Hmmm...
If you’re not one of his flock of bleating sheep then you might think twice before you vote early and often for Cameron, the scholarship worthy blogger who has blogged that Baseball Prospectus is a "cesspool influenced by a cadre that suck at living as human beings.

This is supposed to sway anyone from voting for him?

It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray

by Faux on Nov 8, 2008 11:55 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

I have voted for the guy who will be future Prime Minister.

And I didn’t check out any of the other blogs, I just blindly voted because Graham PM’ed the LL group on facebook. I hope that Dave isn’t the best blogger in the competition – just to upset that douche who posted that whine-fest even more.

If there is one thing this community is good at, it is dominating online polls.

I was at Shea for the Felix-Slam!
Personal M's record: 5-4.

by EnglishMariner on Nov 8, 2008 12:45 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

American Papist?

Seriously?

Dave needs to win this thing.

I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.

by Llewdor on Nov 8, 2008 4:56 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

The dude is picking up steam.

Do people only read his blogs on Sunday?

by Wilder. on Nov 9, 2008 11:27 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm getting a little worried

Especially since blog traffic is highest on weekdays and it seems like USSM has pulled in most of its votes

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by I'm NOT Corco on Nov 9, 2008 12:13 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

OK I've followed Peters for 8 minutes now

His votes aren’t rolling in on any kind of decipherable time interval

He’s legit I guess

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by I'm NOT Corco on Nov 9, 2008 12:22 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

curiously on the 2nd and 5th minute

votes rolled in at exactly 5, 25, and 45 seconds into the minue though

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by I'm NOT Corco on Nov 9, 2008 12:25 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I want to see Dave win

I’m also capable of being completely obsessive about stuff and if this is how I can put that to good use that’s what I’ll do

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by I'm NOT Corco on Nov 9, 2008 5:01 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Done. And commented.

Screw you, Mariners. I'm back in football's loving arms. *edit: well, shit. This isn't going well.

by kevin_ess on Nov 8, 2008 5:02 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Baker's the man

and it’s time to rally- Dave is slipping- he has less than half the vote total again

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by I'm NOT Corco on Nov 8, 2008 6:29 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yes yes yes this is one of the best comments of all time!
I rarely agree with USS Cheater’s Guide on anything, but if my vote will help another American get an education, and on the road to responsibility, I have no problem doing that. We’re going to need all the taxpayers we can get for the next 4-8 years.

Dave gets Mr. X’s vote because he’s an American!

by seattlebruin on Nov 9, 2008 12:24 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Voted

If I could figure out how to summon a legion of Mapusauruses and train them to devour Dave’s competition I would.

Alas, I can’t even get even get into the Mages Guild in Oblivion.

by Frosty Raptor on Nov 8, 2008 6:05 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I was going to feel sorry for the runners-up...

Then I read that butthurt comment. Sympathy is amazingly easy to send down the garbage disposal.

Fans are typically idiots.

by The Typical Idiot Fan on Nov 8, 2008 11:28 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I am glad to hear this.

And I know, from going to college, how hard it is to go through school and making money at the same time, so a $10,000 scholarship in any case should be a big boost. If anything I think Dave should be making at least Baker’s salary, but I guess life isn’t fair.

JI/Robert '08!

by Fin on Nov 9, 2008 1:39 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

The comments thread in the voting page are fantastic.
Oh yes Brennon, a sports analysis blog. How droll indeed. To think that the plebeians who follow something so barbaric as sport could get $10,000 for simply writing about it is utterly preposterous.

by Goose on Nov 9, 2008 7:42 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

YES

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by I'm NOT Corco on Nov 9, 2008 8:18 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Hey, that's my comment!

I can’t help my snarkiness sometimes, especially in regards to someone insulting a sports I like.

by DKCecil on Nov 15, 2008 1:32 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I monitored them for 8 minutes earlier after suspecting it

refreshing every five seconds on two different computers

I noticed no trend. Please hold as I ch eck again

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by I'm NOT Corco on Nov 9, 2008 9:40 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

4 minutes of monitoring yields no discrepancies

vote at following intervals

Minute 1: 22, 47
Minute 2: 38
Minute 3: 6, 28
Minute 4: 14, 37

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by I'm NOT Corco on Nov 9, 2008 9:46 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

We have to get more votes from somewhere.

PZ Myers put a link up promoting Brian Switek. His whole blog seems to be about poll crashing some days, and the people who read it follow (pun alert) religiously. We’re about to be in a world of hurt when the people start reading him at work.

It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray

by Faux on Nov 10, 2008 5:29 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Athletics Nation? DRB?

or, possibly the busiest site of all, Bluebird Banter

And what about about Field Gulls?

by seattlebruin on Nov 10, 2008 6:27 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

It got a mention in Deadspin this morning

and Dave’s vote count is north of 4000 now.

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Nov 10, 2008 10:40 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Oh good.

And it looks like it was posted on a weekend and got buried.

Now to hope that he doesn’t post midweek.

It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray

by Faux on Nov 10, 2008 10:45 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Nice.

I didn’t think that any heavy hitters would post on our side, and I know how PZ likes to poll-bomb.

It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray

by Faux on Nov 10, 2008 2:31 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I've posted it on DRB twice and it's been on BTB twice since Saturday.

Not much more I can do, but I’ll probably post once more before voting ends if things get close.

by R.J. Anderson on Nov 10, 2008 5:32 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

If this ends up getting close

I can take it to a message board I frequent: theboreds.com. it’s the opposite of sports related, but it’s a a website where I have enough good standing that if I make a post about it, people will vote just cuz I tell them too. I could probably get about 50-100 votes from it? Maybe?

Is it worth it?

by mariners124m on Nov 10, 2008 9:33 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Uh oh's

The Orange Satan (Daily Kos) put up a link for the only progressive blogger on the list David Mauro. They get like 2 million hits a day, that could be bad. I checked when I saw it around 8:00pm on mon. 11/10 and david still had a convincing lead, but it would only take a small percentage of Kos readers to swing it.

Your favorite meme is dead

by Edanger6 on Nov 10, 2008 9:34 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Yeah holy balls

He jumped from nothing to 1500 votes today

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by I'm NOT Corco on Nov 10, 2008 9:47 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Well shit.

Daily Kos spent the entire primary season encouraging their users to flood online polls.

by BrianL on Nov 10, 2008 9:47 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Corco might have to dispatch his network of sub-Corcos

Not the poll gaming sub-Corcos but the other ones

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by I'm NOT Corco on Nov 10, 2008 9:49 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yes

I am NOT engaging in any dirty tactics here- that’s not fair to Dave

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by I'm NOT Corco on Nov 10, 2008 9:52 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Shame on Markos

USSM being a sister site to this SBN blog should have made him think differently.

by katal on Nov 10, 2008 11:17 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe we can get him to plug USSM too

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by I'm NOT Corco on Nov 10, 2008 11:26 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Alternatively before coming to Jeff to run the SBN blog

He could have gone to DMZ and Dave who declined saying they didn’t want to sell out to SBN and since then Kos has disliked them

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by I'm NOT Corco on Nov 10, 2008 11:26 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Dave has a sizable lead, but Mauro went from last to second quickly.

Let’s hope the DailyKos readers forget about that plug.

by Wilder. on Nov 12, 2008 12:17 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Maybe...

…if you can egg them on in a blog fight between Balloon Juice and Talk Left…..

by rtang on Nov 12, 2008 2:45 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Voted.

Dave has put in so much work to USSM over the years he truly deserves this.

When does voting end? I can probably swing a few more votes his way…

by Omerta on Nov 12, 2008 6:32 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Mauro is good

I’d vote for Dave if I didn’t happen to read his USSM thread comments from time to time.

by Garces on Nov 14, 2008 1:00 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Matthew, I sent StatCorner $20 a couple days ago.

That should cover at least three minutes of classtime at Penn.

by Teej on Nov 14, 2008 2:14 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Thanks for all you do, Jeff

I’m gonna find a new blog to read, though.

This place has become way too Phredmojo for me to stick around.

by Garces on Nov 15, 2008 11:22 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Your original comment was not deleted, but mistakenly hidden

as a part to try and clean up this thread to keep it on topic. When it was noticed, it was unhidden and your comment re: deletion was hidden because it no longer applies. If you have further complaints, please take them up via e-mail or in a separate, dedicated topic.

Thank you.

by Matthew on Nov 15, 2008 11:46 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Damn

There’s a diary on the rec list at Daily Kos, urging people to vote for Mauro. Considering DK’s traffic, I don’t like Dave’s odds.

by katal on Nov 15, 2008 1:01 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Jesus Christ they're flooding the poll.

I don’t know how you can combat Daily Kos traffic.

by BrianL on Nov 15, 2008 4:16 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

At least the diary was on the rec list

during the middle of a Saturday. Cameron’s still ahead. DailyKos freeping that poll (to use a term of theirs) could have been a lot worse.

by katal on Nov 15, 2008 4:32 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

It bothered me when they did this during primary season.

It really bothers me that they’re doing this with $10,000 at stake.

by BrianL on Nov 15, 2008 4:34 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm going to stop here

before I find myself delving into politics.

by katal on Nov 15, 2008 4:40 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

That just means more people here need to help out.

If you participate on other fora or message boards, post there. Do what you can.

by Matthew on Nov 15, 2008 7:10 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, and also

Not everyone who reads DK is an assured Mauro fan. DK has a wide audience and not everyone among them likes the same people. So don’t think Dave’s chance are DOA because everyone on DK is going to help Mauro not. Not necessarily so.

by Gomez on Nov 15, 2008 7:54 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

While treading the ZOMG no politics line

I’ll admit I starting reading DK during this last election cycle. I usually like that website, now it’s weird because it’s suddenly the enemy. I know my loyalties

by mariners124m on Nov 15, 2008 10:48 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

it has been interesting ...

to see the same sort of voice moving from blog to blog (or thread to thead on a blog) complaining about Dave and his cruel suppression of dissenters. I see that the DailyKos complaintant arc14 signed up on KOS just to lodge his nay vote.

by msb on Nov 15, 2008 9:11 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Fuck

Where can we get more votes!?

by mariners124m on Nov 16, 2008 10:08 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I've got an idea

I can’t tell you what it is but I can tell you it is completely legal and ethical

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by I'm NOT Corco on Nov 16, 2008 11:57 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

never mind, it's not actually legal or ethical

But I will not sleep until Dave Cameron is back in the lead legally and ethically

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by I'm NOT Corco on Nov 16, 2008 12:06 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I need a list of Daily Kos's most hated blogs

If we can get people who hate Daily Kos to vote against David Mauro and for David Cameron, that would be good

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by I'm NOT Corco on Nov 16, 2008 12:15 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Actually this is stupid

There has to be a better way that keeps USSM classy

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by I'm NOT Corco on Nov 16, 2008 12:21 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Now that you've finished

Washingtonhighways.org, maybe a next venture would be to catalog every publicly available wi-fi hotzone and submit a vote for Dave from each one?

by naviomelo on Nov 16, 2008 2:14 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Oh good idea

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by I'm NOT Corco on Nov 16, 2008 2:21 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Is Free Republic still around? Little Green Footballs? Michelle Malkin?

I love DailyKos, but I’m completely willing to subvert in order to help Dave Cameron.

by katal on Nov 16, 2008 1:10 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Try HotAir, too.

Damn, I’m way more current on conservative blogs in Canada (given that I work for the vast right-wing conspiracy).

Any blog that talks about FreedomFest is probably opposed to everything DailyKos does.

I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.

by Llewdor on Nov 17, 2008 10:03 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I've voted from my own computer

And from several computers in my school’s computer labs.

Also, any chance we could still get a plug from Nate Silver?

by mariners124m on Nov 15, 2008 10:50 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Sorry, Dave.

Two weeks is way too long of a time for a poll like this.

by Wilder. on Nov 16, 2008 11:49 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Nobody reads BOR

This is retarded.

by Jeff on Nov 16, 2008 3:41 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Yes! There is

And Dave Cameron is still going to win this thing.

Have faith

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by I'm NOT Corco on Nov 16, 2008 3:55 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Sadly, you remind me of the folks I knew who kept saying that The Other Guy was somehow going to win the election.

This observation has nothing to do with political valences, and everything to do with the natural human inclination to find hope in even the unlikeliest of circumstances.

Patriotism, Pepper, Professionalism

by esoteric on Nov 17, 2008 3:37 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

But their template is very similar to LL 1.0

I miss that

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by I'm NOT Corco on Nov 16, 2008 3:52 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I miss Michael Snively

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by I'm NOT Corco on Nov 16, 2008 3:50 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

We need to get the Citizen Orange blogger (also a Kos participant) to plug himself on Kos too

If the remaining Kos votes get split between him and Mauro then Dave could come back and rally

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by I'm NOT Corco on Nov 16, 2008 5:43 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

How about

Corco game’s the poll so mauro wins, in a very obvious way

This way, they will think Mauro is the cheater, and either two things will happen
1. They DQ him, and give it to second place Dave
2. They cancel/start fresh on the poll

As far as option two goes, if we can’t win, why should anyone!

by mariners124m on Nov 16, 2008 7:46 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Did that work the LAST time you tried to Freep an online poll?

There are a number of reasons this is a very dumb idea, aside from the “let’s not stoop to someone else’s level” one.

by eponymous_coward on Nov 17, 2008 10:20 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not doing anything illegal or immoral or unethical

Without the express written permission of Dave Cameron. As soon as he authorizes it I’ll do it, but he’s not going to do that. Don’t worry.

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by I'm NOT Corco on Nov 17, 2008 10:21 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

(We’re closing the gap with your grassroots help. We’ll be adding on more to this effort as the November 20 deadline nears but be sure to help support one of our own, and the only progressive politics blogger up for this! – promoted by Karl-Thomas Musselman)

Spamming Kos with diaries qualifies as receiving “grassroots help”?

by redwolf75 on Nov 16, 2008 7:49 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Yes he does

Just hold your head up high and hope for the best

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by I'm NOT Corco on Nov 16, 2008 7:51 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

But if Mauro is overly unstoppable

or if we can split his remaining votes with Citizen Orange, also a progressive Kos participant who chose not to participate in active campaigning on principle, or some other nice tricks

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by I'm NOT Corco on Nov 16, 2008 7:56 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Our best bet is to mass write the authors of the scholarship explaining how stupid this has become

and hope they cancel the poll and use more reasonable means of judgment

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by I'm NOT Corco on Nov 16, 2008 7:57 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I think the scholarship should be determined by the number and quality of well thought-out e-mails they get

explaining why [Insert blogger here] deserves to win the $10,000.

Eh I can dream.

by BrianL on Nov 16, 2008 7:59 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Too much work for the college scholarship site.

This method is easier, for pretty obvious reasons.

by redwolf75 on Nov 16, 2008 8:05 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

They should make it a lot harder to vote

If everyone who voted had to sign up for an account to vote then only people who really cared would vote

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by I'm NOT Corco on Nov 16, 2008 8:18 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Very good point corco.

I doubt any of the Kos people would have gone to that effort.

by redwolf75 on Nov 16, 2008 8:28 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

That'd be nice if we somehow mobilized some conservative blogs/sites

against Kos, and had them vote for Dave. Probably impossible though.

by redwolf75 on Nov 16, 2008 7:58 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

And it would be stooping to Mauro's level.

Most, no, the vast majority of the people voting for Mauro have no idea who he is. Almost all of Dave’s votes however most likely come from people who are familiar with Dave’s great work at ussmariner (along with DMZ, of course).

by redwolf75 on Nov 16, 2008 8:04 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Man, again, I love DK

But this is retarded. Like redwolf said, spamming isn’t grassroots. Voting in an online poll hardly counts as grassroots. If DK readers want to feel like they’re being all subversive and “grassroots”, this isn’t the way to do it.

by katal on Nov 16, 2008 8:19 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Mob mentality

I made one last post in the thread, but that’s it. Some people can’t be reasoned with.

by katal on Nov 16, 2008 8:58 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

This one is priceless

And she’s referencing this endorsement of Dave: http://www.mc79hockey.com/?p=2984

Well, I must say that I am rather ticked off, especially at the description of Daily Kos by the above referenced hockey blogger…really..I doubt I will ever watch another hockey game..

This is not a communist political blog..and I resent the McCarthyist nasty ugly comment by this supporter of David Cameron. Really, if Cameron thinks he is worthy of this scholarship, the blogger referenced above must apologize to the entire Daily Kos community…


This person by the way is the one who’s been spamming the Kos with Mauro diaries.

Ok, I am officially DONE quoting and linking Kos content.

by redwolf75 on Nov 16, 2008 9:10 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

And the funny thing is that Mauro's lackey, "RubyGirl," is

citing it as an example that Dave is apparently getting other people to “push” votes for him. Notwithstanding the fact that Dave has most likely never even heard of this hockey website, I doubt he got more than 5 votes from the endorsement, considering the low site traffic.

It’s annoying to think Dave is losing this competition due in no small part to the efforts of this person.

by redwolf75 on Nov 16, 2008 9:25 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

but not particularly surprising.

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Nov 17, 2008 3:41 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Hehe, you're the hockey blogger

who supported Dave/

Mauro’s surrogate loves you.

by redwolf75 on Nov 17, 2008 4:03 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, that's a bit mindblowing

I hope it doesn’t cause Dave Cameron any problems with this. He has no idea who I am, I’m just a baseball fan (on the side) who likes his writing. I’d like to think I could kick more than five votes his way though. I’ve been name dropped by Ron MacLean on HNiC, damn it.

The best part it is, it was sort of tongue in cheek AND (to the extent that his Canadian support mattered) I was an Obama guy. Her response to it indicates virtually everything that’s wrong with politics though and people who take it seriously.

(He’s the host of HNiC, you damned heathens.)

(It means Hockey Night in Canada.)

by mc79hockey on Nov 17, 2008 4:17 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I still prefer Don Cherry

But that’s neither here nor there.

Patriotism, Pepper, Professionalism

by esoteric on Nov 17, 2008 4:19 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I can always go on Daily Kos and do the same thing.

It’s not like there is a law against using the same tactic.

...and now I'm here

by Librocrat on Nov 16, 2008 11:19 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

In the words of "Kossacks"
way..it feels like a race between progressive blogging and baseball..I want progressive blogging to win, because in this day and age, we are going to need more of what David Mauro does rather than what Cameron does..

blogger beat nearly 200,000 Kossacks?

Jeez. You know THOSE guys really are in their mom’s basements wearing pajamas and eating Cheetos.

Person; Who is David Cameron?
Person who is spamming Mauro diaries:
I don’t know, but he is from North Carolina…

He’s from North Carolina! It means Dave is a redneck neonazi!

Honestly, I want to get Cameron…I don’t have anything against him..it is just that sports blogging is way too bourgeois for this day and age..you should get that scholarship..

Bourgeoisie? Are you kidding me?

In response to an extremely lucid post from a supporter of Dave:

Actually, this is a Seattle supporter of David Cameron..sports is big in Seattle, there is no doubt about that..but this is ridiculous..someone on last night’s diary said that David Cameron’s minions would be coming out to intimidate us..but if this is the best they can do..well pffff..

by redwolf75 on Nov 16, 2008 8:27 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

For such a liberal website, how are they not willing to accept a liberal sports analysis blog?

(not in terms of politics, but in terms of thinking)

Seems rather hypocritical.

by Wilder. on Nov 16, 2008 10:03 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Polls tied to contests bring out the worst in the internet

Mauro will win. He doesn’t deserve it. It doesn’t matter.

by Gomez on Nov 16, 2008 10:32 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

For the fifth straight year, thank you for hanging out. LL isn’t LL without its community, and while the website has its little flaws, there is no other site on the Internets to which I’d rather belong. I love this place. Even when I don’t.

by Robert on Nov 16, 2008 11:48 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Barely.

I recall a blog entry recently where he mentioned taking himself out of the loop, except for being on the board. Politics and dKos is really his true love in the online world.

by eponymous_coward on Nov 17, 2008 10:25 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

They are up to about 21 diaries and stories now on Kos

I’m still trying to figure out how Dave is perceived as self-promoting (aside from his self-deprecating headline) for asking for help on his own site, and Mauro, who has put up several diaries and solicited more, is not ….

by msb on Nov 17, 2008 7:50 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

oh. for petesake.

“wow…amazing, because the baseball blogger had already launched a campaign with other sports bloggers includint the Seattle Times and our effort here has been rather modest..I am amazed that we are moving ahead like this..it is a tribute to the fairness of Daily Kos.”

by msb on Nov 17, 2008 7:59 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

It is one thing to go around and promote on other sites, it is another to constantly spam on a high traffic site.

And I can’t believe this Rubygal thinks needing more politicians in this world is more important than someone like Dave who is actually making a difference in educating his readers.

by Wilder. on Nov 17, 2008 8:29 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm as pissed off as everyone else that Dave's not going to make this

But there is nothing (nothing!) wrong with what Mauro’s supporters are doing. It’s an online poll, and gaming them is what happens. We’d do exactly the same thing, I suspect.

All this shows is that polls are stupid.

by Graham on Nov 17, 2008 8:40 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

I think it is the attitude that they are the little engine that could

and that they are helping a modest young man (you know, the one who actively campaigned on their site, asking to smurf the poll) vs that evil yet irrelevent sports guy who is getting the blogosphere to gang up on them and their choice of winner.

by msb on Nov 17, 2008 8:47 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, their attitude is entirely bullshit

But polls enable these morons, soooo…

by Graham on Nov 17, 2008 8:50 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Polls mean democracy works! Sports is bourgeois!

Clicking a button is affirming my belief in democracy!

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Nov 17, 2008 9:12 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I completely agree.

However, I am going to mobilize some rather large forces in hopes of helping Dave.

by Sec 108 on Nov 17, 2008 9:41 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Y'know...
Read DMZ and Dave’s comments here

and tell me with a straight face that what they want you to do is to be the baseball blogger version of Daily Kos.

by eponymous_coward on Nov 17, 2008 10:30 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't see anything wrong with what Sec 108 is doing

Dave is better than Mauro already even based on those comments. Dave didn’t ask for large forces he doesn’t know to be mobilized, Mauro actively sought out people who don’t know his work at all.

Sec 108 mobilizing large forces is OK, Dave doing it is not. Mauro doing it is not.

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by I'm NOT Corco on Nov 17, 2008 10:36 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Er...

The BOR blogger in question part of the bigger dKos community, so it’s not like he was talking to a bunch of strangers. Granted, people have taken this too far- but I don’t think the response should be “let’s smurf a poll because other people are doing it”.

One of the things Dave pointed pout with pride in that thread is that his votes were from USSM and people familiar with his work. If someone thinks trashing that is worth $10,000 to him, someone might at least do the courtesy of ASKING him if that’s what he wants first. I tend to think not.

by eponymous_coward on Nov 17, 2008 10:49 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I am not doing what Dave and DMZ want me to do.

Sorry, but just because I respect someone’s work does not mean they get to tell me how to live my life.

I have my own reasons for wanting Dave to get that scholarship. What I have done and will do is in no way illegal or even similar to what may be happening at Daily Kos.

by Sec 108 on Nov 17, 2008 11:32 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Ok, I invoked Croatia. Hopefully that will make a difference.

Also started a campaign through myspace. Though that’s only good for a 100 or so…

by coolguyrob on Nov 17, 2008 10:53 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Oh, and...

Check out what the OTHER dKos blogger had to say about his nomination:

I guess this is when I’m supposed to mobilize everyone I know to vote for me, or I could just use the tricks that the nativist folks at ALIPAC are fond of which allow you to vote multiple times in polls like these. That’s just not me though.
Don’t get me wrong. I’m grateful for being selected as a finalist. Also, the $10,000 would be extremely helpful to me, especially at this time. I just don’t feel that it’s right to mobilize whatever online power I’ve accumulated over the past years to win $10,000.

I blog for migrants, and by extension for a world where everyone truly is born with the same opportunities. I am grateful for whatever support I receive in that quest, but it just doesn’t feel right to advertise myself over the online connections I’ve forged for other purposes.

by eponymous_coward on Nov 17, 2008 11:01 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Sorry to see how things went down, Dave.

You’ve been quite honorable through the whole thing. As stupid as the idea of holding a poll is, you had good reason to get your hopes up because you have a big (and actually legitimate) following, and you have every right to be frustrated by how you ended up falling behind.

At least you know that most of the people who voted for you actually read your stuff.

by Teej on Nov 17, 2008 1:37 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

frustrating, too

because between the gal who keeps popping diaries up at dKos without actually reading any of the competition (as well as blindly accepting anything she is told about both them, and Dave) and entries from arc14 (who sounds as though he has never recovered from being moderated on USSM) there is a lot of misinformation that might keep dKos folks form actually looking at, and enjoying USSM.

by msb on Nov 17, 2008 1:49 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Good man.

We are with you all the way.

by Wilder. on Nov 17, 2008 3:18 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Dave is closing the gap

He’s gone from -750 votes to -250 votes

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by I'm NOT Corco on Nov 17, 2008 2:39 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Too fast! Too fast!

The problem any vote drive faces at this point is that actions that get Dave past the other Dave could provoke a front page Kos mention and thus drive another ~9,000 votes towards other Dave.

If someone was gaming this and wanted to be smart, they’d be looking at sniping.

by DMZ on Nov 17, 2008 2:44 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

That's what I expected

But Dave got about 15 votes in 30 seconds a couple minutes ago

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