Awful Name Value Team

by Jeff Sullivan on Nov 7, 2008 3:36 PM PST in Seattle Mariners Stats

C: Paul Lo Duca
1B: Paul Konerko
2B: Luis Castillo
SS: Mike Young
3B: Chone Figgins
LF: Pat Burrell
CF: Ken Griffey Jr.
RF: Jose Guillen
DH: Travis Hafner

SP: Barry Zito
SP: Daisuke Matsuzaka
SP: Justin Verlander
SP: Livan Hernandez
SP: Jon Garland
CL: Jason Isringhausen

If you set the replacement level at .292, and add a win above replacement for both the bench and the rest of the bullpen, this team would be expected to win between 65 and 70 games.

It's not the perfect awful name value team; it's an example of an awful name value team. You should see what happens when you plug Kenny Rogers or Jeff Suppan into that rotation in place of Verlander and Matsuzaka, who I only included because any GM who put together a rotation of Zito/Rogers/Suppan/Hernandez/Garland wouldn't be allowed out of the house.You have to maintain some semblance of reality, after all.

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Ewww...gross...

by SethGrandpa on Nov 7, 2008 3:51 PM PST reply actions

I can't believe Travis Hafner is finished.

by JI on Nov 7, 2008 3:55 PM PST reply actions

From a .458 wOBA in 2006 to a .276 wOBA in 2008

Unfathomable.

by Jeff Sullivan on Nov 7, 2008 4:03 PM PST up reply actions

At least Victor Martinez still has a job.

by JI on Nov 7, 2008 4:05 PM PST up reply actions

And that four year deal is just now kicking in.

by Goose on Nov 7, 2008 5:35 PM PST up reply actions

With a 2013 option!

This is going to be so much worse than the Michael Young contract.

by Jeff Sullivan on Nov 7, 2008 5:37 PM PST up reply actions

And immediately after the contract was signed.

We know guys like Hafner tend to fall hard, but I never expected it to be this fast.

by Teej on Nov 8, 2008 12:36 AM PST up reply actions

It's sad that us LGTers are just praying for 2007 again

And the best part is that no one has a fucking clue what happened.

Steel Nick

by nickjs21 on Nov 8, 2008 6:23 PM PST up reply actions

I wonder how many games this team would win

by seattlebruin on Nov 7, 2008 4:03 PM PST reply actions

His 2006 was epic.

I never thought that would be the end for him.

Yesterday's Pants
A blog-thingy about the Mariners and stuff.

by BrettJMiller on Nov 7, 2008 4:03 PM PST up reply actions

I'm guessing this is a reply to the wrong comment

by seattlebruin on Nov 7, 2008 4:04 PM PST up reply actions

If only that were indicated somewhere

If you set the replacement level at .292, and add a win above replacement for both the bench and the rest of the bullpen, this team would be expected to win between 65 and 70 games.

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Nov 7, 2008 4:04 PM PST up reply actions

I propose that this subthread be hidden now

or Jeff blamed for writing in a way in which my eyes did not pick up this sentence

by seattlebruin on Nov 7, 2008 4:06 PM PST up reply actions

I wonder in what sequence the keys appear on my keyboard.

I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.

by Llewdor on Nov 7, 2008 4:51 PM PST up reply actions

It wasn't even under the stars.

by Kirsten Schlewitz on Nov 7, 2008 7:35 PM PST up reply actions

And the ugly thought is that ...

our previous GM would would have placed (and in some cases did place) a premium value on every player on that list.

by Steve Nelson on Nov 7, 2008 4:03 PM PST reply actions

Especially since Young just won a Gold Glove.

I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.

by Llewdor on Nov 7, 2008 4:52 PM PST up reply actions

In a shat on Monday, Chris Kahrl picked Figgins over Beltre

for whom she’d want on her team in 2009.

I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.

by Llewdor on Nov 7, 2008 4:53 PM PST reply actions

Shat is the perfect word there.

by Sec 108 on Nov 7, 2008 4:54 PM PST up reply actions

Chris Kahrl is not an analyst

by Jeff Sullivan on Nov 7, 2008 4:56 PM PST up reply actions

What kind of name is "Kahrl" anyway?

Why not change it to “Karl” so it actually looks normal?

"Hole in one, eh?"

by Coach Owens on Nov 7, 2008 5:03 PM PST up reply actions

Do you have idea what her people have been though Coach?

Now you want to take away her cultural heritage.

by JI on Nov 7, 2008 5:04 PM PST up reply actions

Sniff What have I done?!?

"Hole in one, eh?"

by Coach Owens on Nov 7, 2008 5:07 PM PST up reply actions

I'm going to pretend that you're making a joke about Chris Kahrl's other name change because it makes me think you're an evil comedic genius.

J.K.L.

by Aaron Campeau on Nov 7, 2008 11:24 PM PST up reply actions

I"m going with clueless, myself

it fits the Coach narrative much better.

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Nov 7, 2008 11:52 PM PST up reply actions

You think one of the people in charge at BP

could figure out Beltre >>>>>>>>> Figgins

by JI on Nov 7, 2008 5:03 PM PST up reply actions

BP has/had exactly two redeeming people.

by Matthew on Nov 7, 2008 6:12 PM PST up reply actions

And one of them has basically traded baseball for politics

by davidcameron on Nov 7, 2008 6:14 PM PST up reply actions

Seems like he's found his true calling.

Good for Nate. He deserves the plaudits he’s received this year.

Nice example of how the process of sabr stuff is much more important than the results; it’s so damned applicable.

by marc w on Nov 7, 2008 7:26 PM PST up reply actions

Agreed. He really nailed it this year.

by Teej on Nov 8, 2008 12:38 AM PST up reply actions

That's a call the average fan could make correctly.

by JI on Nov 7, 2008 7:48 PM PST up reply actions

On second thought, this is a bit of hyperbole.

I haven’t followed BP in a year and I know they have some new writers, so I’m not in a position to judge them.

by Matthew on Nov 8, 2008 10:31 AM PST up reply actions

The black helicopters came for you in the night?

by Graham MacAree on Nov 8, 2008 11:25 AM PST up reply actions

They threatened to make him Mattina.

J.K.L.

by Aaron Campeau on Nov 8, 2008 12:30 PM PST up reply actions

November resolution.

I’m trying to be nicer.

My drinking has increased.

by Matthew on Nov 8, 2008 12:51 PM PST up reply actions

Beer is more powerful if you haven't eaten yet

by Jeff Sullivan on Nov 8, 2008 2:51 PM PST up reply actions

How's it going?

by Kirsten Schlewitz on Nov 8, 2008 3:51 PM PST up reply actions

It was more than just Beltre.

McGoldrick (Los Angeles): Who has the most gas left in the tank: Adrian Beltre, Jim Thome, Paul Konerko, Raul Ibanez, or Chone Figgins? Which ones would you want on your team in ’09?

Christina Kahrl: That’s not really a comparison of like to like, but I’d pick Figgins from among that crew, if only because speed guys seem to retain value wel enough. Beyond that, I’d take Beltre, but I can’t say I’m wildly enthusiastic about any of them. It’s easier to suggest that I’d put Paulie at the bottom of the pile, and work up from there.

by R.J. Anderson on Nov 8, 2008 4:54 PM PST up reply actions

Good golly

by Jeff Sullivan on Nov 8, 2008 4:58 PM PST up reply actions

Women should never be allowed to talk baseball.

by JI on Nov 8, 2008 5:26 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs

This is hilarious on at LEAST two levels.

J.K.L.

by Aaron Campeau on Nov 8, 2008 10:48 PM PST up reply actions

I'm glad someone understands me.

by JI on Nov 9, 2008 12:21 PM PST up reply actions

http://www.draysbay.com/2008/7/31/583769/trade-deadline-open-thread#7785306

by JI on Nov 9, 2008 3:57 PM PST up reply actions

Bahahahaha

J.K.L.

by Aaron Campeau on Nov 9, 2008 3:58 PM PST up reply actions

That was quite the discussion.

by Kirsten Schlewitz on Nov 10, 2008 6:43 AM PST up reply actions

And yet SBN still takes comedy away from us by allowing users to delete their own fanposts.

by R.J. Anderson on Nov 10, 2008 9:30 AM PST up reply actions

I'm surprised you remember this

You guys should have let me run with this though as I had not heard of her until that day. Pretty funny regardless. I’ll catch you tripping up one of these days.

Anyway, as I was lying in the puddle, I think I may have found
a way for us to get Bonds and Griffey, and we wouldn't have to give up
that much.

~George Costanza~

by Sandy Kazmir on Nov 10, 2008 5:47 PM PST up reply actions

When I saw that people weren't letting you run with it I was confused and more than a little disappointed.

J.K.L.

by Aaron Campeau on Nov 10, 2008 6:15 PM PST up reply actions

My brethren at the Bay were nice enough to enlighten me

I don’t think I would have gotten off so easily at other sites.

Anyway, as I was lying in the puddle, I think I may have found
a way for us to get Bonds and Griffey, and we wouldn't have to give up
that much.

~George Costanza~

by Sandy Kazmir on Nov 10, 2008 6:18 PM PST up reply actions

I think it was an LLer that first pointed it out, actually.

J.K.L.

by Aaron Campeau on Nov 10, 2008 6:20 PM PST up reply actions

touche

Anyway, as I was lying in the puddle, I think I may have found
a way for us to get Bonds and Griffey, and we wouldn't have to give up
that much.

~George Costanza~

by Sandy Kazmir on Nov 10, 2008 6:31 PM PST up reply actions

Keep 'em in the kitchen.

by Kirsten Schlewitz on Nov 9, 2008 2:42 PM PST up reply actions

Only when they're not giving birth.

by JI on Nov 9, 2008 3:55 PM PST up reply actions

That shouldn't be an issue for Ms. Kahrl.

J.K.L.

by Aaron Campeau on Nov 9, 2008 5:51 PM PST up reply actions

Perhaps it was a failed attempt at satire?

by R.J. Anderson on Nov 8, 2008 6:10 PM PST up reply actions

At least Verlander has SOME chance of bouncing back, right?

Yes, his 2008 season was just awful, but he’s still only 25 and had success earlier in his career? I could see him bouncing back, maybe not to his dominant form, but at least to an above average pitcher. Or is he like Willis who had success due mainly to luck?

"Hole in one, eh?"

by Coach Owens on Nov 7, 2008 5:01 PM PST reply actions

by bluemax on Nov 7, 2008 5:40 PM PST up reply actions

I'm not quite that nerdy

but I do think my snark would have been better had it been correctly punctuated.

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Nov 7, 2008 5:48 PM PST up reply actions

You should see what happens when you plug Kenny Rogers or Jeff Suppan into that rotation in place of Verlander and Matsuzaka, who I only included because any GM who put together a rotation of Zito/Rogers/Suppan/Hernandez/Garland wouldn’t be allowed out of the house.You have to maintain some semblance of reality, after all.

J.K.L.

by Aaron Campeau on Nov 9, 2008 11:51 PM PST up reply actions