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OT: Fallout 3

Is anyone else wasting ungodly amounts of time playing Fallout 3? I know there was a buzz about it in some earlier threads.

I've just started playing, but could probably share some early tips and impressions if someone wants any part of the game reviewed. Anyone have early tips for me? No spoilers, of course.

Also: I CANNOT get that song out of my head. I've been wandering around at work singing, "I'm not trying to set the world on fire..." That 3 Dog radio station gets repetitive, but they picked out some fantastic music to listen to while roaming the radioactive wasteland.

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Goddammit, I don't want to spend any more money on video games!!!

But everybody’s reviews of Fallout 3 REAAAAALY makes me want to just spend the money.

by Phil Hatzenbuehler on Nov 5, 2008 1:52 PM PST reply actions  

Just do it man,

all of us cool kids are

HA HA HA, your Grandpa's an ASS!- Tourette's Guy (R.I.P)

by tootthekazoo on Nov 5, 2008 2:57 PM PST up reply actions  

Tag Small Guns

If you didn’t tag small guns, go back and start over. Medicine and Repair are both good, too. But Small Guns. Small Guns, Small Guns, Small Guns.

by Fez on Nov 5, 2008 1:52 PM PST reply actions  

Fallout 3 = Oblivion*100

The thing where every enemy was the same level as you was awful.

Indie.

by .Taylor on Nov 5, 2008 1:58 PM PST reply actions  

Oblivion has some serious flaws

The biggest being that you can just tag useless skills, stay at a low character level, and play through the game as a level 3 or 4 character that has hiked up all their useful skills to 100. Meanwhile, your opponents will stay weak little sewer rats.

I played FO3 for about 10 hours with one character before deciding to restart with a new strategy because I was getting my ass kicked. Fallout 3 fixed the “leveling gimp” by giving you experience for everything you do and everyone you kill… you level up whether you want to or not… and your enemies seem to grow at the same rate (but using pretty min/max tactics… so you gotta pay attention or they outflank you!)

The new strategy I’m trying was to start with an Intelligence of 10 (because of the skill points… bonuses to science and medicine are nice too.) I take two perks early… the one that gives you 3 extra skill points each level, and the one that gives you double skill point bonuses for every book you read (BTW, don’t read any of the books you collect until you take this perk… just save them in your inventory.) Don’t be tempted by the Gun Nut perk… it only gives you 10 extra skill points… these other two perks are worth a LOT more in the long run. Because I had to skimp on my other SPECIAL stats to boost the IQ up to 10… I also take the Intense Training perks when there’s nothing better… I use them to jack up my agility (for better Small Guns.) Also took the black widow/lady killer perk… for bonus damage and extra dialog options.

I’m planning to jack up my Small Guns skill to 100 ASAP… put enough points into Lockpick and Science to break into stuff… and enough in repair to keep my equipment shiny.

One big difference in Fallout 3 (compared to Fallout 1 and 2) is that energy weapons and big guns are available early… but they are not nearly so powerful (and ammo is expensive.) It really seems like sticking with small guns is the way to go.

BTW, with the crafting… the Rock-It Launcher is a waste of money (and money is actually pretty tight in this game.)

by johnbai on Nov 5, 2008 2:31 PM PST up reply actions  

Hmmm..

Now I’ve been playing with this second build for a while… a couple of observation:
Jacking small guns skill up to 100 does NOT really help your targeting accuracy percentages.
But I’m not sure if I need to boost my Agility or my Perception to get it higher. I think maybe Perception increases accuracy and Agility increases damage. Anyone know for sure?

Taking the gunslinger and commando perks seems like a must.

I’m thinking of dividing my skill points between medical (extra healing from stimpacks, plus some quest reqs) and repair (lugging around 1 scavenged gun that’s been repaired up to 85% is much easier than carrying 3 back to base to sell for caps… plus being able to do much more damage with my weapon.)

by johnbai on Nov 6, 2008 11:11 AM PST up reply actions  

The worst part of Oblivion's broken content scaling system

was that you could break it BY ACCIDENT.

I did my first time in the game. I stayed level 1 for almost the entire game, but since I could still increase my magic skills I could summon Storm Atronachs to kill everything, and Storm Atronach’s could one-shot almost every enemy.

I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.

by Llewdor on Nov 6, 2008 11:30 AM PST up reply actions  

I've put in a couple hours here and there, and I really enjoy it.

The atmosphere is frightening. I can’t help but think of Cormac McCarthy’s “The Road” when I play it. Especially while hiding behind trees and rocks while frightening people come walking down the highway.

Please don’t let them see me . . .

by Teej on Nov 5, 2008 2:49 PM PST reply actions  

The song is by the Ink Spots

They are wonderful. Check them out. They were in Bioshock as well.

HA HA HA, your Grandpa's an ASS!- Tourette's Guy (R.I.P)

by tootthekazoo on Nov 5, 2008 2:59 PM PST reply actions  

Oh, and yes, this game is wonderful

I probably shouldn’t have bought it with 3 unfinished games still on my shelf, because they will never become finished now. I spent another couple hours last night and accomplished nothing, and couldn’t be happier. Wandering the landscape is great, especially with Galaxy News Radio piping away in the background. Fantastic game

HA HA HA, your Grandpa's an ASS!- Tourette's Guy (R.I.P)

by tootthekazoo on Nov 5, 2008 3:00 PM PST reply actions  

I'm still sad that Bethesda made it and not Black Isle.

I don’t know that I’ll ever be able to look at it objectively based on that alone.

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/

by JY on Nov 5, 2008 3:14 PM PST reply actions  

It's best to think of it as a stand alone thing

Rather than comparing it to FO1 and 2.
The sense of humor is different… and has to be given how moody the atmosphere is.

by johnbai on Nov 5, 2008 3:31 PM PST up reply actions  

As someone who felt exactly the same way before I played it, trust me, Fallout 3 is amazing.

When I was a kid I used to pray every night for a new bicycle. Then I realized God doesn’t work that way, so I stole one and prayed for forgiveness. - Emo Philips

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by marcello on Nov 5, 2008 8:00 PM PST up reply actions  

You sound like one of those glittering gems of hatred

who hangs out at RPG Codex.

Fallout has the quintessential unappeasable fanbase; I’m amased Bethesda even tried this.

And yet, almost everyone seems to like it. Even the guys at No Mutants Allowed.

I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.

by Llewdor on Nov 6, 2008 11:25 AM PST up reply actions  

I was actually a former NMA-er.

Never signed up for the forums, they had some weird regulation about no free e-mail accounts or something like that.

But if those folks are into it I suppose it might be worth a shot. Not that I didn’t want Van Buren instead.

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/

by JY on Nov 6, 2008 11:48 AM PST up reply actions  

I'm playing it right now

Drank a beer in game, and received a message “You are now addicted to beer.” Made me smile

HA HA HA, your Grandpa's an ASS!- Tourette's Guy (R.I.P)

by tootthekazoo on Nov 5, 2008 4:13 PM PST reply actions  

I have never played FO 1 or 2 and until recently never heard of the series.

Explain if and why I should play this game*

*a really fucking awesome weapon is generally enough for me.

by Robert on Nov 5, 2008 6:00 PM PST reply actions  

They are brilliant, hillarious, epic games

but they are also painful to play given the bad graphics and turn-based combat system. These are both canon PC games… but probably not worth going back to play unless you can stomach the 90’s style. On the plus side, you’re grandma’s PC will have all the system requirements met.

by johnbai on Nov 5, 2008 7:41 PM PST up reply actions  

Very.

The combat system in FO3 is very FPS, but with a nifty pause and aim feature that prevents it from being a total twitch-fest.

I loved the first two (especially Fallout 2), but then I still have fond menories of the original game (Wasteland) on which Fallout was based. Wasteland came out in like 1985.

I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.

by Llewdor on Nov 6, 2008 11:27 AM PST up reply actions  

Weapons?

Uh, there’s a gauss pistol in the second game which is my weapon of choice and in the first game there’s the turbo plasma rifle. If the level of violence is sufficient, the plasma rifle basically makes the skin of whatever you’re fighting disappear, so, goop and bones.

The games themselves are quality. The first has more purity of atmosphere and mood whereas the second is less buggy and has more branching paths to take.

But if you can’t handle turn-based combat, isometric views, or outdated graphics, you can pass. I know plenty of people who didn’t have fun with the game until I told them they didn’t have to follow any sort of plot, at which point they ran around indiscriminately killing things until they got bored.

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/

by JY on Nov 5, 2008 8:34 PM PST up reply actions  

Unlikely.

They’re borrowing the setting and a few factions for the third, but there aren’t any major plot tie-ins that I’m aware of. Unless Harold shows up, and he’s more of a mascot anyway.

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/

by JY on Nov 5, 2008 9:32 PM PST up reply actions  

Any unwashed villagers?

I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.

by Llewdor on Nov 6, 2008 11:28 AM PST up reply actions  

OMG I really don't need ANOTHER video game...

Or distraction…
but I love Oblivion and it sounds like Fallout 3 is like that….sh*t

by Smith18 on Nov 5, 2008 8:11 PM PST reply actions  

Sounds like a solid game.

But I already have two games I have not even played yet (Half Life 2: Orange Box is one of them), so I dont think I have the time right now. And even if I did, I would choose the new Castlevania first, as I have to have all 2D Castlevania games.

On a side note, someone needs to update the whereabouts of Timesplitters 4. Im getting sick of waiting as it is, and its even worse when nobody has any details. Does anyone here like that series? If you have not checked it out, you need to get either 2 or 3 now.

by Slica on Nov 5, 2008 8:37 PM PST reply actions  

Sweet Jesus, new Castlevania game.

I wish I had my DS. And also money.

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/

by JY on Nov 5, 2008 8:43 PM PST up reply actions  

Get this...

From all accounts, its actually HARD this time. Though supposedly not as good with exploration and especially starts off slow before you can start exploring bigger areas.

I bought the DS solely for what Konami does for it. Still need a console 2D Castlevania game, though. And make it huge.

by Slica on Nov 5, 2008 8:46 PM PST up reply actions  

That's new.

I’m used to blazing through most recent Castlevania games, though I have much fun with them I can’t remember any difficulties. Some of the GBA ones were ridiculous in that sense. They’ve seemed to have trouble keeping that consistent over the years. The first SNES installment was child’s play, right until you got to the dungeon and then everything went to hell, followed by a couple of easier spots and that awful platform jumping nightmare leading up to a weak final boss fight. They haven’t been “hard” really since the NES days, or Dracula X, if you want to count it.

I dig on the exploring aspect though. That’s one of my complaints about some of the recent ones, they feel too linear, and if you’re going for that Metroid hybrid thing you really need to emphasize exploration and having particular items make old locations new and intriguing.

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/

by JY on Nov 5, 2008 8:55 PM PST up reply actions  

I agree.

Exploration comes first, followed by enemy varieties and weapon varieties for me.

The difficulty levels never really bother me, but it is refreshing to read reviews only to have people bitching about not being able to get by a boss.

But yeah, if you haven’t followed the new one yet, the earlier levels will look disappointing. I have seen pictures of maps from some levels, and they are pretty small early on. The bigger ones later on are not big enough to avoid being iinear in some ways.

Who knows about this one. Good to see another Castlevania fan on here, though.

by Slica on Nov 5, 2008 9:03 PM PST up reply actions  

All the Metroidvania fans I know

feel that OoE is the best one yet.

You know what? Fuck you Sports Gods, fuck you.

by bluemax on Nov 6, 2008 10:00 AM PST up reply actions  

I've had it for a few days

and it has yet to really grab me. Though when my new computer parts get here next week and I do a major upgrade I might be singing a different tune.

by coolguyrob on Nov 6, 2008 6:56 AM PST reply actions  

Even though its Oblivion with guns

instead of real Fallout, its fun. I even bought the ginormous collector’s guide from Amazon because it was cheap.

Last night was spent playing Gears of War 2 though. Huzzah for broken street dates.

You know what? Fuck you Sports Gods, fuck you.

by bluemax on Nov 6, 2008 10:00 AM PST reply actions  

The "guns" factor is huge though.

I thought the melee system in Oblivion was really boring. And it seems dull in this game too.

But in FO3, you don’t have to put away your shotgun and pull out a baseball bat just because someone has charged you… in fact, it’s better to shoot them in the face with the shotgun at close range.

by johnbai on Nov 6, 2008 11:00 AM PST up reply actions  

Nice work on Gears. I'm jealous.

I just got a call saying my local store will sell it at midnight, but I should probably be asleep. I can wait a day.

by Teej on Nov 6, 2008 5:12 PM PST up reply actions  

FO3 is the third game I have purchased since my daughter was born at the end of June.

I haven’t yet played any of them.

I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.

by Llewdor on Nov 6, 2008 11:31 AM PST reply actions  

I have you beat,

but in my defense, it’s all old PS2 games that I was stocking up on, and a few DS games, none of which were particularly expensive.

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/

by JY on Nov 6, 2008 11:50 AM PST up reply actions  

Two PC games and one XBox 360 game.

I haven’t even installed the PC games (I got the PC FO3, because I’m that much of a purist).

I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.

by Llewdor on Nov 6, 2008 12:48 PM PST up reply actions  

Assuming you've got the graphics card

You can also enjoy substantially better resolution than the console version.

by johnbai on Nov 6, 2008 3:33 PM PST up reply actions  

I do.

I got a brand new rig in May, so I’m still living the high life, specs-wise.

I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.

by Llewdor on Nov 7, 2008 11:27 AM PST up reply actions  

I was settling in for a long cold winter.

And purchased Darkwatch, Devil May Cry 3 (Special Edition), The Godfather, and Mafia for PS2. I am working through Darkwatch now, its alright. A bit too linear so far. I expect that to continue unfortunately, but Godfather should be good.

I have a cousin with 1 testicle, when they yell play ball, he smiles.

by Montucky on Nov 6, 2008 12:51 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm taking 3 months parental leave starting in April.

I’m looking forward to it.

I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.

by Llewdor on Nov 6, 2008 1:00 PM PST up reply actions  

I just created a Pandora station based on the Ink Spots

So good.

Also: that Butcher Pete song by Roy Brown is awesome.

by johnbai on Nov 6, 2008 3:35 PM PST reply actions  

I really love the Ink Spots.

I’d heard them a few times before Bioshock, and then after finding that they were in Fallout3, I became a major fan. I love wandering around, watching radioactive dust clouds blow by, while listening to them singing away on my Pip-Boy 3000

HA HA HA, your Grandpa's an ASS!- Tourette's Guy (R.I.P)

by tootthekazoo on Nov 6, 2008 6:08 PM PST up reply actions  

Just finally got to making it into the downtown DC area

exploring the ruins of well-known museums, and seeing the proper street signs outside(while dodging supermutant attacks) is pretty haunting.

by johnbai on Nov 10, 2008 11:12 AM PST reply actions  

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