Give Dave Money
So in the end, Dave was defeated by the swarming horde of political hate-mongering, as David Mauro rode the wave of Progress! to defeat that Mariner-blogging neocon by nearly eight thousand votes. Rest assured, I'd have the good sense to make some big changes if this place ever developed a community like the one that operates at DK, but clearly some people think otherwise, and that's their decision. Anyway, just because Dave isn't getting his $10,000 scholarship doesn't mean you can't still help him out. Go swing by USSM and make a Paypal donation to the cause. Everything but the Paypal Tax goes to Dave, and if only 20% of the people who voted for him donate $5, then he'll beat that $10,000 no problem. Which isn't to say that you should limit yourself to $5. Donate as much (or as little) as you want. Maybe if we exceed the $10,000 mark by enough, Derek can scrape some off the top and buy the site a server free of mouse wheels and string.
Dave said all along that while he wanted to win the scholarship, he wasn't willing to compromise his morals. With the help of the Mariner blogosphere community, he can have it both ways. Let's all pitch in to do a big favor for a brilliant analyst, a thoughtful person, and a guy without whom LL wouldn't exist. He deserves it.
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Done.
It’d be great to see him blow past that $10k mark…
by marc w on Nov 21, 2008 9:32 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Done
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by I'm NOT Corco on Nov 21, 2008 9:51 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Done
I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.
by Llewdor on Nov 21, 2008 10:00 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
This is all going to Dave, but this is a token to both USSM and LL for building such a strong community.
Don’t go spend all that money on 1/5th of a book!
by Wilder. on Nov 21, 2008 10:00 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
No way the Kossacks raise $10K for Mauro if he would have lost
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by I'm NOT Corco on Nov 21, 2008 10:19 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Markos could've pushed it if he wanted to.
But I doubt anyone else would pull that kind of weight.
by Wilder. on Nov 21, 2008 10:21 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Don't kill me guys, but what exactly is the cause we're giving him
money for?? Just for his personal use?
Hmm, god bless u guys, you sure are generous
by DarkLou on Nov 21, 2008 10:13 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Pay for college
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by I'm NOT Corco on Nov 21, 2008 10:19 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Uh.... school.
But he can use that money any way he wants, just like the $10k scholarship he should have won. There are other expenses to stay in school than just tuition and books. If my money allows him to go have a nice dinner with his wife, then I am satisfied.
by Wilder. on Nov 21, 2008 10:19 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well that is a good cause. I thought everyone was just giving him money just for
the helluva it
by DarkLou on Nov 21, 2008 10:27 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I donated as a way of expressing gratitude and compensating Dave
for the hours of informative and enjoyable reading material he’s provided. I really couldnt give two shits what he spends it on — if he wants to throw his money away on a college education, that’s his business.
by FlaskInSafeco on Nov 21, 2008 10:55 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This is legit. We've raised money for beer before, but that went to Jeff.
by marc w on Nov 21, 2008 10:20 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, do not donate beer money to Dave
It will not go to its proper use.
by Jeff on Nov 21, 2008 10:21 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I will as soon as I get home from the Arctic.
After having my identity stolen I am paranoid about my credit card info floating around the ether on unsecured wi-fi.
Fear the NPE
by thewyrm on Nov 21, 2008 10:13 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Done
Easiest $25 I ever contributed to anything.
HA HA HA, your Grandpa's an ASS!- Tourette's Guy (R.I.P)
by tootthekazoo on Nov 21, 2008 10:36 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I suspect Derek already has that first $500.
I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.
by Llewdor on Nov 21, 2008 11:02 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I have an idea...
Send me the 10K and I’ll give Dave my Econ Degree?
by PLU Tim on Nov 21, 2008 11:17 AM PST reply actions 2 recs
what's your emphasis?
Don't believe the lies Bill!!!! look at the sparkly ERA!!! Sparkly, Sparkly!!! - McCovey Chronicles
by Trenchtown on Nov 21, 2008 11:35 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No emphasis really...
The school only offered a General Econ, International Econ, and an Environmental Econ. To get the Emphasis in International or Environmental, I would have had to of forked out a couple of extra G’s to go abroad for a month. On my budget that was not an option.
So while I took courses on Econometrics, Environmental Econ, International Econ, and Banking Econ, my degree is a general BA in Economics.
by PLU Tim on Nov 21, 2008 11:48 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
econometrics was a pain in the as
mine is in labor econ
Don't believe the lies Bill!!!! look at the sparkly ERA!!! Sparkly, Sparkly!!! - McCovey Chronicles
by Trenchtown on Nov 21, 2008 11:59 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Econometrics is the best part
says the man who works with like 20 economists.
I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.
by Llewdor on Nov 21, 2008 12:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I just gave 20
I am no longer in Spokane, but I think I'll keep the name anyway.
by InSpokane on Nov 21, 2008 11:21 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
The weird thing is
That both USS and LL (and BP and just about every baseball blog out there) tend to be pretty darn left leaning as it is, so how daily kos made this about politics is absolutely beyond me. Anyway, as soon as remember my paypal account password I will be swinging over and giving Dave a donation
Don't believe the lies Bill!!!! look at the sparkly ERA!!! Sparkly, Sparkly!!! - McCovey Chronicles
by Trenchtown on Nov 21, 2008 11:34 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
You can give with out logging in.
I am no longer in Spokane, but I think I'll keep the name anyway.
by InSpokane on Nov 21, 2008 11:41 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You still have to log in to paypal though
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by I'm NOT Corco on Nov 21, 2008 11:59 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
But, you do not have to use your account. I just did it.
I am no longer in Spokane, but I think I'll keep the name anyway.
by InSpokane on Nov 21, 2008 12:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think it went down like this...
A diary or 2 was posted on dKos to help Mauro. Some people from Red State and Free Republic caught wind of this and because Dave Cameron was the closest one to Mauro, they jumped on and “adopted” Dave in a manner.
This in turn only caused Kos to rally the troops, which turned the voting into a 4th quarter blow out.
So the reality was that Freep and Red State weren’t really trying to rally votes FOR Dave, they were rounding up votes against Kos.
by PLU Tim on Nov 21, 2008 11:54 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
"A diary or 2 was posted on dKos to help Mauro"
ahem. 32 mentions and diaries before the Red State blog entry.
by msb on Nov 21, 2008 12:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
ooh
and we all have “sour grapes”
you betcha.
by msb on Nov 21, 2008 12:11 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
It's really upsetting that they choose to rip into Dave for being a bad sport when really, of everyone in the Mariners blogosphere
Dave was the one who tried the hardest and was the most successful at taking the high road and not throwing himself into the muck
by seattlebruin on Nov 21, 2008 12:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
(though they cut of my disclaimer where I said I'm sure there are plenty of good Kossacks.)
by Teej on Nov 21, 2008 12:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It may be just me, but they seem pretty intent on justifying the way they won through any means necessary
and not really paying attention to fairness or truth
quite like the contest, rather ironic
by seattlebruin on Nov 21, 2008 12:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I just can't get over the fact that commenters are still referring to the USSM commenters as "conservatives."
by Teej on Nov 21, 2008 12:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
In a sense, they are
the USSM commenters don’t believe in giving lots of money to baseball players who are bad at their jobs
by seattlebruin on Nov 21, 2008 12:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He said "fascists" (plural)
not “fascist” (singular). You need some backup, buddy!
by seattlebruin on Nov 21, 2008 12:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'll help.
I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.
by Llewdor on Nov 21, 2008 12:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
We should start calling them Red Sox Nation
by Graham on Nov 21, 2008 12:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
We should have gone to the Seattle Times forums and told everyone there that David Mauro hates Griffey and wants the Mariners to bring back Mike Cameron.
by Teej on Nov 21, 2008 12:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Seriously the RSN thing is a good analogy
Loud, whiny, smug, and self-entitled.
by Graham on Nov 21, 2008 1:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Ah, I see.
Yes, that works. We could get them some pink hats with donkeys on them. Asshats, if you will.
by Teej on Nov 21, 2008 1:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't see how they can equate Dave asking for votes from his own blog
and Mauro seeking out support on a much higher traffic site.
If Mauro had done this just through asking for votes from his own blog, I’d be far less annoyed.
I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.
by Llewdor on Nov 21, 2008 12:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That's also because David Cameron would be $10,000 richer
by seattlebruin on Nov 21, 2008 12:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, not necessarily. If someone actually read Mauro's blog
and then took the call to DailyKos without Mauro asking for it, that would be less appalling.
I’d still rather Mauro’s voters were people who had any idea who he was before the voting started, though.
I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.
by Llewdor on Nov 21, 2008 3:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This is all very interesting.....
I just spent over an hour reading the various threads and links connected to this story. I have always wondered since the inception of SBNation, when of if, any conflict would ever emerge from the fact that this sports network of blogs was born from the progressive movement (DK) and what affect it would have with members of the sports blogs that are conservative if they became aware of this. I’m sure a lot of people have no idea of the connection as I mentioned it once on HH and some people were horrified to find this out. It is also interesting the more I have looked into this the number of people like, Nate Silver from Baseball Prospectus and 538.com, blog politics as well as baseball.
This issue with Dave has certainly shed some light on this subject for me and something I have wondered about for a long time. I feel sorry for Dave for losing out on the money, but it was fascinating to get some new insight into this.
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by 44FAN on Nov 21, 2008 1:01 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I would say this whole episode has very little to do with which members are and aren't conservative
and more to do with our collective distaste for how Mauro and the DK ran the whole campaign.
by Jeff on Nov 21, 2008 1:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yup.
If I were a conservative, I don’t think it would affect my enjoyment of this site in the slightest.
by Teej on Nov 21, 2008 1:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Word.
It’s all down to how Jeff/Graham/Matthew run the site. By strictly enforcing the “zNP rule” it makes it a welcoming place for people who just want to leave politics at the door and talk baseball (and hunt hobos).
Patriotism, Pepper, Professionalism
by esoteric on Nov 21, 2008 1:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think there's still some political subthemes running about.
There was one particularly engaging OT thread on global climate change that focused more on the facts then on the fiction, though perhaps that’s how it wasn’t political…
Fans are typically idiots.
by The Typical Idiot Fan on Nov 21, 2008 6:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree, that the zNP rule is great to avoid idiotic political arguments.
But I think that it could be eased up a little, meaning that we should be too scared to either say the name of the President or post a .GIF of that person. Maybe I just got way into politics this past few months that it is hard for me to avoid connecting topics to politics.
/rant before I get in trouble.
by Fin on Nov 21, 2008 11:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I understand your point of view, but I think the stricter the better on this one.
I’m absurdly political, so it’s nice to have a place that’s fully apolitical.
by acblue on Nov 21, 2008 11:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Nope
We’re keeping it as strict as possible.
by Jeff on Nov 22, 2008 12:35 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, not really.
I’ve read through some heated threads at my cousin’s Hawks blog chock-full of political arguments, and they were absolutely pointless. Politics have no place in the sports blogosphere.
It all comes down to separation of sports and politics, I guess.
Indie.
by Taylor H on Nov 22, 2008 7:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It doesn't.
I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.
by Llewdor on Nov 21, 2008 3:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I totally agree, this situation is unique in itself.
But reading all the back and forth comments and posts on USSM, DKOS, and LL, it would reveal to the reader the connection of SBNation and DKOS which I think many people would not be aware of otherwise. I have always been curious what the reaction would be from conservative or liberal SBNation members if this was brought out, and this issue with Dave and the voting brought some of that to light from both sides of the political spectrum. Because of the political sensitivity of this, I have never found it appropriate to discuss it on and SBNation site before.
Recipient of the 2008 "The Iron Man" award from scottnak of Halos Heaven!
by 44FAN on Nov 21, 2008 1:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
There were a few Kossacks that really freaked out when told that Kos started SBN.
They were incredulous. And angry. And accusing Jeff and others of lying for shattering their perfect worldview or whatever. It was hilarious and very odd.
by Teej on Nov 21, 2008 1:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I was laughing like an idiot reading that.
Did they take that thread down? I can’t find it.
by Teej on Nov 21, 2008 2:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
OK I found the comments, but they're not in the thread anymore.
FASCISTS!
by Teej on Nov 21, 2008 2:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Fascist comment hiders
It’s weird how you can still search for and track down hidden comments.
by Jeff on Nov 21, 2008 2:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
But you have always been honest about your fascism, so it doesn't carry the same kind of irony.
I could understand them deleting your fake thread in support of whatever-his-name-was, because that was subversive (and hilarious), but the parts about SBN seemed relevant and fair.
by Teej on Nov 21, 2008 2:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I am disappointed, how dare they try to stifle my research!
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by 44FAN on Nov 21, 2008 2:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I got part of it...
The only really important part…

Fans are typically idiots.
by The Typical Idiot Fan on Nov 21, 2008 6:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This is the comment from the only time I mentioned the connection on HH:
stevo
he does seem a bit odd. but i can’t blame him for bitching, that’s pretty understandable… we might have to wait until fox buys sbn i suppose for a real (will they still be?) blogger to get around the scene
by proletariat on Oct 22, 2008 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I doubt FOX will ever buy SBNation, since it is owned by Mark Moulitsas of DailyKOS.
by 44FAN on Oct 22, 2008 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh jesus christ
the commies own this joint?
by tdischino on Oct 23, 2008 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by 44FAN on Nov 21, 2008 3:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And this is a good example of why I am glad the zNP rule exists.
by Fin on Nov 22, 2008 2:32 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Sports, like music, is universal and I think it is always best to keep it a respite from
something as divisive as politics. And if sports blogs are owned by an entity that has a strong politcal persuasion one way or another like FOX or DKOS they ought to go out of their way to present their content in a neutral fashion.
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by 44FAN on Nov 22, 2008 12:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Where does CollegeScholarships.com get its money?
I would be kinda pissed if I donated money to a group that was giving away thousands of dollars in a simple popularity contest.
by Teej on Nov 21, 2008 1:14 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
You're not donating to CollegeScholarships.
You’d be donating directly to Dave.
Man do I love midgets.
by Thingray on Nov 21, 2008 3:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Of course. I donated to Dave's fund last night.
I’m just making a point that while we all agree that voting on a scholarship is dumb, and the group giving out the money doesn’t seem to mind, perhaps the people who gave that money to the organization might be peeved that it is handed out so recklessly.
by Teej on Nov 21, 2008 3:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think he's questioning the funding sources of the site doing the contest
by Gomez on Nov 21, 2008 8:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Thank you.
As I’ve said before, I specialize in words and simple, clear English sentences. But come Friday, I’m a total idiot.
by Teej on Nov 21, 2008 8:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
They added a pledgie link, it has a little Jerry Lewis telethon bar to track the progress.
But you have to make your donation through the pledgie link or it won’t add your donation to the total.
by dpseadv on Nov 21, 2008 3:13 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Excellent
This credit card transaction will appear on your bill as “DEREK”.
… so this might look bad on someone’s CC statement
by seattlebruin on Nov 21, 2008 3:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Heh, first time my wife found donations to USSM and LL on a statement she grilled me.
I lied my ass off. Kidding.
Seriously though, I never used paypal so it surprised the heck out of her.
by dpseadv on Nov 21, 2008 3:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
There's a reason why, in my household, we keep our finances separate.
This is part of it.
I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.
by Llewdor on Nov 21, 2008 4:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Diary up on Kos with the Pledgie
If anyone is a member there perhaps we could Full Tilt Boogie Recommend it up. Also, in said diary I called out Rubygal to at least match my 10.00. Perhaps we could track her down and get her to help compensate for the 10 G’s she stole from DC.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/11/21/15490/478/323/664789
Your favorite meme is dead
by Edanger6 on Nov 21, 2008 5:05 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Just doing my best
I only had so much money I could donate, but I figured since I was a member there, I could try it out to see if it worked.
by arbeck77 on Nov 21, 2008 10:43 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Give me what I want
I’ll give Dave $1,000 if you let me run this blog for 1 week. I get full access to everything, and I promise I’ll be nice to everyone except Graham. Give me the power and Dave will be 1/10th of the way there.
I want the power. Give me the power.
by Give_Me_What_I_Want_and_Dave_Gets_1000 on Nov 21, 2008 5:14 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
How about...

Fans are typically idiots.
by The Typical Idiot Fan on Nov 21, 2008 6:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This post was an even bigger disaster
than communication between the FAA and the military on Sept. 11.
Furcal
by JI on Nov 21, 2008 8:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
FUCK OFF, MY DAD WORKED FOR THE FAA WHEN I WAS GROWING UP!
by Teej on Nov 21, 2008 8:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This is true, FWIW.
This is the reason I lived in Enumclaw for a few years.
by Teej on Nov 21, 2008 8:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHA
by Robert on Nov 21, 2008 10:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not proud of it.
But I also abstained from horses the ENTIRE TIME, so I’m proud of myself.
by Teej on Nov 21, 2008 10:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
what school does DC go to?
he’s still an undergrad?
by royalsreview on Nov 21, 2008 5:19 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
UNC-Greensboro.
And yes, I believe he’s an undergad. “Still” makes it sound like he’s Van Wilder or something.
by Teej on Nov 21, 2008 6:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
DAVE CAN DO IT
If a moron like me can finish college, Dave certainly can.
by Gomez on Nov 21, 2008 8:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Seriously.
College was easier than high school for me. Then again, I went to a hard high school, then got a communications degree at WSU. But I made out just fine, so I’m cool with making fun of Wazzu.
by Teej on Nov 21, 2008 8:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Depending on your field of study, college can be a breeze.
I got my Philosophy degree with effectively zero effort.
Astrophysics was harder.
I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.
by Llewdor on Nov 22, 2008 5:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Done.
Daily Kos really pisses me off, for a bunch of reasons I won’t go into here, and I’m a staunch progressive. The irony is that Kos himself apparently created, or at least had a hand in the creation of, SB Nation. I doubt he would’ve helped freep the vote it had been Jeff that was up for the scholarship.
USSM rocks and Dave deserves the help.
by lemonverbena on Nov 21, 2008 5:53 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
We need an open Mauro photoshop/paint thread >:(
Copied from the previous thread before it was closed. All I have to say is this:

Open Fucking Fire.
Fans are typically idiots.
by The Typical Idiot Fan on Nov 21, 2008 7:03 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
First thing that sprang to mind when I saw this picture

by Goose on Nov 21, 2008 7:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Frye? Frye? Frye?
…Captain?
Fans are typically idiots.
by The Typical Idiot Fan on Nov 22, 2008 3:10 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
To quote a friend of mine
“Yeah know, Captain Harriman flying the Enterprise B into the Nexus to try and save those ships is just the 23rd century version of Frye once again severely damaging another awesome vehicle.”
by Goose on Nov 22, 2008 8:15 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Payday is next week. When it comes, I'll be sure to send Dave a portion of my check.
Also, fuck Daily Kos.
by Goose on Nov 21, 2008 7:41 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
The process of giving an award to an internet poll winner was the bigger problem
Mauro and DK were simply manipulating the process because he was able to. Doesn’t make him deserving, because he probably wasn’t, but there you go.
I’m out of a job in less than two weeks, so I need to hoard resources until things get back on track. But I hope Dave gets enough money for school that this contest nonsense is moot. I’ll pitch in if things turns around.
by Gomez on Nov 21, 2008 8:36 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Already almost up to $1000. Good job people.
by Goose on Nov 21, 2008 10:24 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Plus there was a lot of money donated outside of that button.
I gave a few bills hours before the official pledge drive was under way.
by Teej on Nov 21, 2008 10:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I just donated $10.
Not a lot, but hope it helps. If anyone, Dave truly deserves it. I am in college, so I know how hard free money is to come by, especially when he runs arguebly one of the best baseball blogs pro bono, so I couldn’t think of anyone who deserved it more.
by Fin on Nov 21, 2008 11:41 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Dave deserves every time anyone can afford to give him
I gave him $10. I would love to give him more but need every dime I can get for survival
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by I'm NOT Corco on Nov 22, 2008 2:13 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Don't jusify shit Corco.
You gave what you could, and God bless you for it. Anyone that gives even $1 is helping out.
by acblue on Nov 22, 2008 2:17 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
i completley agree
and to anyone whoe donates I offer the following advice: alcohol and tobacco and weed/1 prescription drug is good enoguh. No reason to go further alltough ti is nice to bec ompletely wasted
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by I'm NOT Corco on Nov 22, 2008 2:22 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
YOU FUCKING MORON
(It’s for his own good.)
by acblue on Nov 22, 2008 3:13 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Cheapass.
What do you need beer money for? DONATE OR DIE!
Fans are typically idiots.
by The Typical Idiot Fan on Nov 22, 2008 3:12 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You gave money, period. That's what matters.
Indie.
by Taylor H on Nov 22, 2008 7:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I wonder if Dave has to pay tax on theses donations
by Telegraph on Nov 22, 2008 8:17 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
The next thing that LL'ers will try to game:
Tax Code.
by Two Rs and Two Ls on Nov 22, 2008 8:47 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Let's do this shit
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by I'm NOT Corco on Nov 22, 2008 8:48 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm invoking the first rule of fight club.
by Two Rs and Two Ls on Nov 22, 2008 9:20 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
ten four
buddy come on back…horse trailer on a cadillac talkin to a cowboy in a coupe deville…chug a luggin on one side…slidin down the other…i’m a love of the other side of the hill
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by I'm NOT Corco on Nov 22, 2008 12:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
IIRC if it's used for formal college education he's off the hook
by Gomez on Nov 22, 2008 1:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not sure about that.
I know that official donations, grants, and scholarships are not taxed, but we’re effectively just giving somebody money and in a round about way it’s for a service they provide us. That would be income for Dave, which would be taxed.
Unless we call it a loan, they’ll sure try to tax him.
Fans are typically idiots.
by The Typical Idiot Fan on Nov 22, 2008 3:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Thus the solution might be
an offshore account.
Fans are typically idiots.
by The Typical Idiot Fan on Nov 22, 2008 3:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Is somebody around here a tax accountant?
This is understandably gray matter in terms of tax law.
by Gomez on Nov 22, 2008 5:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Are gifts taxable in the US?
They’re not taxable in Canada.
I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.
by Llewdor on Nov 22, 2008 5:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Gifts are only taxable in the US to the giver above the exemption per person
which is about $13,000 per person per year, I think.
by Paytheline on Nov 22, 2008 10:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
From the IRS Website
The gift tax is a tax on the transfer of property by one individual to another while receiving nothing, or less than full value, in return. The tax applies whether the donor intends the transfer to be a gift or not.
The gift tax applies to the transfer by gift of any property. You make a gift if you give property (including money), or the use of or income from property, without expecting to receive something of at least equal value in return. If you sell something at less than its full value or if you make an interest-free or reduced-interest loan, you may be making a gift.
Looks like my loan idea is out, too. One thing to point out, however, is the broad terminology of the value of items received in return. A lot of us find Dave’s work to be invaluable as sources of information, education, and entertainment, but it’s very hard to put a tangible value upon such things necessary to appease the IRS. In effect, a lot of us are giving this money as a form of justice in response to the stupidity of the Blog Scholarship rules. If we get a really really good lawyer involved, we could argue that due to the manner of the awarding of the scholarship, Dave has suffered harm or damages and that this action is a charitable one in which to help recover from those harms and damages. There are two problems with trying to make that case. 1), It’s truthful but not factual, therefore hard to argue. 2). The lawyer would take up all the money anyway.
HOWEVER!… there is this little nugget of joy from the FAQ:
What can be excluded from gifts?
The general rule is that any gift is a taxable gift. However, there are many exceptions to this rule. Generally, the following gifts are not taxable gifts.
1.
Gifts that are not more than the annual exclusion for the calendar year.
2.
Tuition or medical expenses you pay for someone (the educational and medical exclusions).
3.
Gifts to your spouse.
4.
Gifts to a political organization for its use.
In addition to this, gifts to qualifying charities are deductible from the value of the gift(s) made.
Emphasis mine. If we can make absolutely sure that all of this money is paid to someone’s tuition (and in this particular case, that would mean WE as the donees, or more specifically DMZ since he’s running the thing) and not directly being received by Dave Cameron himself, then it is excluded as a gift tax.
Fans are typically idiots.
by The Typical Idiot Fan on Nov 22, 2008 10:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
So what I mean to say is...
Gomez’s original thought was right and my fears were unjustified. There’s probably more red tape to deal with to ensure that all conditions are met, but generally we should be fine.
Fans are typically idiots.
by The Typical Idiot Fan on Nov 22, 2008 10:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It's good you looked into this though
Last thing we’d want to do is hand Dave a tax headache. He should be okay, though, as you found out.
by Gomez on Nov 22, 2008 11:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No red tape.
the annual exclusion is more than enough for these purposes.
by Paytheline on Nov 24, 2008 5:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
that would mean WE as the donees
should read “that would mean WE as the doneRs”. God I suck today.
Fans are typically idiots.
by The Typical Idiot Fan on Nov 22, 2008 10:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

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