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Give Dave Money

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So in the end, Dave was defeated by the swarming horde of political hate-mongering, as David Mauro rode the wave of Progress! to defeat that Mariner-blogging neocon by nearly eight thousand votes. Rest assured, I'd have the good sense to make some big changes if this place ever developed a community like the one that operates at DK, but clearly some people think otherwise, and that's their decision. Anyway, just because Dave isn't getting his $10,000 scholarship doesn't mean you can't still help him out. Go swing by USSM and make a Paypal donation to the cause. Everything but the Paypal Tax goes to Dave, and if only 20% of the people who voted for him donate $5, then he'll beat that $10,000 no problem. Which isn't to say that you should limit yourself to $5. Donate as much (or as little) as you want. Maybe if we exceed the $10,000 mark by enough, Derek can scrape some off the top and buy the site a server free of mouse wheels and string.

Dave said all along that while he wanted to win the scholarship, he wasn't willing to compromise his morals. With the help of the Mariner blogosphere community, he can have it both ways. Let's all pitch in to do a big favor for a brilliant analyst, a thoughtful person, and a guy without whom LL wouldn't exist. He deserves it.

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Done.

It’d be great to see him blow past that $10k mark…

by marc w on Nov 21, 2008 9:32 AM PST   0 recs

Hear, hear!

Donated last night.

by Teej on Nov 21, 2008 9:34 AM PST   0 recs

Done

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by I'm NOT Corco on Nov 21, 2008 9:51 AM PST   0 recs

Done

I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.

by Llewdor on Nov 21, 2008 10:00 AM PST   0 recs

Don't kill me guys, but what exactly is the cause we're giving him

money for?? Just for his personal use?

Hmm, god bless u guys, you sure are generous

by DarkLou on Nov 21, 2008 10:13 AM PST   0 recs

Pay for college

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by I'm NOT Corco on Nov 21, 2008 10:19 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

Uh.... school.

But he can use that money any way he wants, just like the $10k scholarship he should have won. There are other expenses to stay in school than just tuition and books. If my money allows him to go have a nice dinner with his wife, then I am satisfied.

by Wilder. on Nov 21, 2008 10:19 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

I donated as a way of expressing gratitude and compensating Dave

for the hours of informative and enjoyable reading material he’s provided. I really couldnt give two shits what he spends it on — if he wants to throw his money away on a college education, that’s his business.

by FlaskInSafeco on Nov 21, 2008 10:55 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

Yes, do not donate beer money to Dave

It will not go to its proper use.

by Jeff on Nov 21, 2008 10:21 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

Exactly.

Beer money for beer drinkers, college funds for (one) college student. Makes sense to me.

by marc w on Nov 21, 2008 10:30 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

I will as soon as I get home from the Arctic.

After having my identity stolen I am paranoid about my credit card info floating around the ether on unsecured wi-fi.

Fear the NPE

by thewyrm on Nov 21, 2008 10:13 AM PST   0 recs

Done

Easiest $25 I ever contributed to anything.

HA HA HA, your Grandpa's an ASS!- Tourette's Guy (R.I.P)

by tootthekazoo on Nov 21, 2008 10:36 AM PST   0 recs

I suspect Derek already has that first $500.

I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.

by Llewdor on Nov 21, 2008 11:02 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

I have an idea...

Send me the 10K and I’ll give Dave my Econ Degree?

by PLU Tim on Nov 21, 2008 11:17 AM PST   2 recs

what's your emphasis?

Don't believe the lies Bill!!!! look at the sparkly ERA!!! Sparkly, Sparkly!!! - McCovey Chronicles

by Trenchtown on Nov 21, 2008 11:35 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

No emphasis really...

The school only offered a General Econ, International Econ, and an Environmental Econ. To get the Emphasis in International or Environmental, I would have had to of forked out a couple of extra G’s to go abroad for a month. On my budget that was not an option.

So while I took courses on Econometrics, Environmental Econ, International Econ, and Banking Econ, my degree is a general BA in Economics.

by PLU Tim on Nov 21, 2008 11:48 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

econometrics was a pain in the as

mine is in labor econ

Don't believe the lies Bill!!!! look at the sparkly ERA!!! Sparkly, Sparkly!!! - McCovey Chronicles

by Trenchtown on Nov 21, 2008 11:59 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

Econometrics is the best part

says the man who works with like 20 economists.

I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.

by Llewdor on Nov 21, 2008 12:34 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

I just gave 20

I am no longer in Spokane, but I think I'll keep the name anyway.

by InSpokane on Nov 21, 2008 11:21 AM PST   0 recs

The weird thing is

That both USS and LL (and BP and just about every baseball blog out there) tend to be pretty darn left leaning as it is, so how daily kos made this about politics is absolutely beyond me. Anyway, as soon as remember my paypal account password I will be swinging over and giving Dave a donation

Don't believe the lies Bill!!!! look at the sparkly ERA!!! Sparkly, Sparkly!!! - McCovey Chronicles

by Trenchtown on Nov 21, 2008 11:34 AM PST   0 recs

You can give with out logging in.

I am no longer in Spokane, but I think I'll keep the name anyway.

by InSpokane on Nov 21, 2008 11:41 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

You still have to log in to paypal though

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by I'm NOT Corco on Nov 21, 2008 11:59 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

But, you do not have to use your account. I just did it.

I am no longer in Spokane, but I think I'll keep the name anyway.

by InSpokane on Nov 21, 2008 12:01 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

I think it went down like this...

A diary or 2 was posted on dKos to help Mauro. Some people from Red State and Free Republic caught wind of this and because Dave Cameron was the closest one to Mauro, they jumped on and “adopted” Dave in a manner.

This in turn only caused Kos to rally the troops, which turned the voting into a 4th quarter blow out.

So the reality was that Freep and Red State weren’t really trying to rally votes FOR Dave, they were rounding up votes against Kos.

by PLU Tim on Nov 21, 2008 11:54 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

"A diary or 2 was posted on dKos to help Mauro"

ahem. 32 mentions and diaries before the Red State blog entry.

by msb on Nov 21, 2008 12:09 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

ooh

and we all have “sour grapes”

you betcha.

by msb on Nov 21, 2008 12:11 PM PST   0 recs

It's really upsetting that they choose to rip into Dave for being a bad sport when really, of everyone in the Mariners blogosphere

Dave was the one who tried the hardest and was the most successful at taking the high road and not throwing himself into the muck

by seattlebruin on Nov 21, 2008 12:21 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

It may be just me, but they seem pretty intent on justifying the way they won through any means necessary

and not really paying attention to fairness or truth

quite like the contest, rather ironic

by seattlebruin on Nov 21, 2008 12:28 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

In a sense, they are

the USSM commenters don’t believe in giving lots of money to baseball players who are bad at their jobs

by seattlebruin on Nov 21, 2008 12:34 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

He said "fascists" (plural)

not “fascist” (singular). You need some backup, buddy!

by seattlebruin on Nov 21, 2008 12:43 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

I'll help.

I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.

by Llewdor on Nov 21, 2008 12:47 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

I don't see how they can equate Dave asking for votes from his own blog

and Mauro seeking out support on a much higher traffic site.

If Mauro had done this just through asking for votes from his own blog, I’d be far less annoyed.

I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.

by Llewdor on Nov 21, 2008 12:45 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Well, not necessarily. If someone actually read Mauro's blog

and then took the call to DailyKos without Mauro asking for it, that would be less appalling.

I’d still rather Mauro’s voters were people who had any idea who he was before the voting started, though.

I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.

by Llewdor on Nov 21, 2008 3:23 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

This is all very interesting.....

I just spent over an hour reading the various threads and links connected to this story. I have always wondered since the inception of SBNation, when of if, any conflict would ever emerge from the fact that this sports network of blogs was born from the progressive movement (DK) and what affect it would have with members of the sports blogs that are conservative if they became aware of this. I’m sure a lot of people have no idea of the connection as I mentioned it once on HH and some people were horrified to find this out. It is also interesting the more I have looked into this the number of people like, Nate Silver from Baseball Prospectus and 538.com, blog politics as well as baseball.

This issue with Dave has certainly shed some light on this subject for me and something I have wondered about for a long time. I feel sorry for Dave for losing out on the money, but it was fascinating to get some new insight into this.

Recipient of the 2008 "The Iron Man" award from scottnak of Halos Heaven!

by 44FAN on Nov 21, 2008 1:01 PM PST   0 recs

I would say this whole episode has very little to do with which members are and aren't conservative

and more to do with our collective distaste for how Mauro and the DK ran the whole campaign.

by Jeff on Nov 21, 2008 1:08 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Yup.

If I were a conservative, I don’t think it would affect my enjoyment of this site in the slightest.

by Teej on Nov 21, 2008 1:13 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Word.

It’s all down to how Jeff/Graham/Matthew run the site. By strictly enforcing the “zNP rule” it makes it a welcoming place for people who just want to leave politics at the door and talk baseball (and hunt hobos).

Patriotism, Pepper, Professionalism

by esoteric on Nov 21, 2008 1:24 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

I think there's still some political subthemes running about.

There was one particularly engaging OT thread on global climate change that focused more on the facts then on the fiction, though perhaps that’s how it wasn’t political…

Fans are typically idiots.

by The Typical Idiot Fan on Nov 21, 2008 6:11 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

I agree, that the zNP rule is great to avoid idiotic political arguments.

But I think that it could be eased up a little, meaning that we should be too scared to either say the name of the President or post a .GIF of that person. Maybe I just got way into politics this past few months that it is hard for me to avoid connecting topics to politics.

/rant before I get in trouble.

by Fin on Nov 21, 2008 11:29 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

I understand your point of view, but I think the stricter the better on this one.

I’m absurdly political, so it’s nice to have a place that’s fully apolitical.

by acblue on Nov 21, 2008 11:43 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Nope

We’re keeping it as strict as possible.

by Jeff on Nov 22, 2008 12:35 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

Please.

Given that my opinions differ from, well, everyone, keeping such discussions entirely absent is a good idea.

I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.

by Llewdor on Nov 22, 2008 5:49 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Well, not really.

I’ve read through some heated threads at my cousin’s Hawks blog chock-full of political arguments, and they were absolutely pointless. Politics have no place in the sports blogosphere.

It all comes down to separation of sports and politics, I guess.

Indie.

by Taylor H on Nov 22, 2008 7:38 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

It doesn't.

I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.

by Llewdor on Nov 21, 2008 3:24 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

I totally agree, this situation is unique in itself.

But reading all the back and forth comments and posts on USSM, DKOS, and LL, it would reveal to the reader the connection of SBNation and DKOS which I think many people would not be aware of otherwise. I have always been curious what the reaction would be from conservative or liberal SBNation members if this was brought out, and this issue with Dave and the voting brought some of that to light from both sides of the political spectrum. Because of the political sensitivity of this, I have never found it appropriate to discuss it on and SBNation site before.

Recipient of the 2008 "The Iron Man" award from scottnak of Halos Heaven!

by 44FAN on Nov 21, 2008 1:29 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

There were a few Kossacks that really freaked out when told that Kos started SBN.

They were incredulous. And angry. And accusing Jeff and others of lying for shattering their perfect worldview or whatever. It was hilarious and very odd.

by Teej on Nov 21, 2008 1:46 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

I was laughing like an idiot reading that.

Did they take that thread down? I can’t find it.

by Teej on Nov 21, 2008 2:29 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Fascist comment hiders

It’s weird how you can still search for and track down hidden comments.

by Jeff on Nov 21, 2008 2:38 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

I am disappointed, how dare they try to stifle my research!

Recipient of the 2008 "The Iron Man" award from scottnak of Halos Heaven!

by 44FAN on Nov 21, 2008 2:42 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

I got part of it...

The only really important part…

Fans are typically idiots.

by The Typical Idiot Fan on Nov 21, 2008 6:15 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

This is the comment from the only time I mentioned the connection on HH:

stevo
he does seem a bit odd. but i can’t blame him for bitching, that’s pretty understandable… we might have to wait until fox buys sbn i suppose for a real (will they still be?) blogger to get around the scene

by proletariat on Oct 22, 2008 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
 
I doubt FOX will ever buy SBNation, since it is owned by Mark Moulitsas of DailyKOS.

by 44FAN on Oct 22, 2008 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
 
oh jesus christ
the commies own this joint?

by tdischino on Oct 23, 2008 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Recipient of the 2008 "The Iron Man" award from scottnak of Halos Heaven!

by 44FAN on Nov 21, 2008 3:00 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Sports, like music, is universal and I think it is always best to keep it a respite from

something as divisive as politics. And if sports blogs are owned by an entity that has a strong politcal persuasion one way or another like FOX or DKOS they ought to go out of their way to present their content in a neutral fashion.

Recipient of the 2008 "The Iron Man" award from scottnak of Halos Heaven!

by 44FAN on Nov 22, 2008 12:54 PM PST to parent up   0 recs