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Breaking News: American Sports Media Still Wooing Scrappy White People

I know it doesn't come as much of a shock to everyone here, but the BBWAA is still jealous over Scrappy White Player's bitter break up with them. He used to be unloved, neglected, and the BBWAA adopted him like a three-legged FAS puppy, nurturing him with love far beyond what he deserved.

Well, that retarded puppy is all grown up now, and cashing in on the 24-hour news cycle and regional biases and the BBWAA just cannot get over that it's no longer needed. And so, they keep trying to woo their former dunce child back into the fold. They tried candy, they tried praise, and now they're moving on to gifts.

Somebody voted for Raul Ibanez.
Somebody gave Jason Bartlett a 6th place vote.
16 people thought Dustin Pedroia was the MVP in the American League.

I'd like to get worked up into a furor over it, but it's just par for the course for these people. And that's sad. Your profession is to cover baseball, I would hope that you would have enough professional pride and integrity to try and get better at it.

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Don't forget the 7th place vote for Mussina.

And who do the stats say was the deserving winner? Cliff Lee?

by Crystal for DH on Nov 18, 2008 11:27 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Morneau and Youkilis being 2nd and 3rd

Ahead of people like Mauer and Sizemore is just sad.

by nfreakct on Nov 18, 2008 11:28 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

I'm cool with Youk being up there.

He’s probably several wins better than Morneau when defense is factored in.

by Teej on Nov 18, 2008 11:29 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Feh, Pedroia winning it all isn't that inexcusable. He had a great year.

It’s Mauer getting jobbed once again, and Morneau finishing in SECOND PLACE that are really outrageous. I mean, what the hell people?

Patriotism, Pepper, Professionalism

by esoteric on Nov 18, 2008 11:31 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Yeah but but

Clutch man. Like, the pressure in like Boston is like totally wicked. You just don’t understand! You never played baseball! GO BACK TO YOUR PARENTS BASEMENT!!!! Yeah… why even bother giving awards? It’s stupid… The voters are stupid… What I dont get is old metrics (BA, RBI’s HR’s) are generally accepted to be truth, but when someone tries to use new metrics we are told stats don’t matter, the game is played on the field. Oh well…

by zeke5123 on Nov 18, 2008 11:49 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Nah

He’s 6’5", 220. That’s way too big to be scrappy.

Pedroia’s all of 5’9", 180. It’s not Eckstein-level scrappy, but that’s pretty damned scrappy.

'Catsmeat!' he cried. 'I see it all. It was that chump, Catsmeat.'

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Nov 18, 2008 11:57 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I wonder who voted or Raul?

I am no longer in Spokane, but I think I'll keep the name anyway.

by InSpokane on Nov 18, 2008 12:20 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

That should be public knowledge.

That’s why we know who thought Edinson Volquez was a rookie.

I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.

by Llewdor on Nov 18, 2008 12:30 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

It had to a Seattle Reporter

I am no longer in Spokane, but I think I'll keep the name anyway.

by InSpokane on Nov 18, 2008 12:33 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

He split leagues

It basically makes him ineligible. If he’d done that for a full season in Anaheim he’d probably win.

Furcal

by JI on Nov 18, 2008 12:31 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Oh yeah

Forgot about that little detail

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by I'm NOT Corco on Nov 18, 2008 1:24 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Pedroia lead AL Position Players in WARP

Although the Red Sox make me vomit, Pedroia lead AL hitters in WARP. Lee, Halladay and Rivera were all ahead of him, but there’s a bias against pitcher MVPs because they have their own friggin’ award.

In fact, I would say that A-Rod and Mauer were really the only hitters in the AL that you could say deserved the award more.
However, we can keep bitching becaues it’s criminal as shit soup that Chase Utley has two team mates with more MVPs than he has.
For the record, I would have had 22 RBIs last year if I hit behind Utley and Rollins and Chase Utley would have had 182 RBIs if he hit right behind himself. Which makes Ryan Howards 140 something look pretty weak.

by philosofool on Nov 18, 2008 12:43 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

While I agree with much of the sentiment

WARP has passed it’s expiration date.

Furcal

by JI on Nov 18, 2008 12:53 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

WARP, or BB/K ratio, or GPA or wOBA

Look at any one of these stats and you’ll see Pedroia among the leaders. At a defensive premium position, which he plays well. Pedroia also put in 726 plate appearances (part of the reason his WARP is so high—it is not a rate stat.) But those plate appearance mean something.

Okay, I probably overstated earlier. There’s a good case to be made for several other players. I still think as much as he’s a minion of the devil, an objective character says that he’s not totally undeserving.

by philosofool on Nov 18, 2008 3:51 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

People in front of Pedroia in park adjusted wOBA:

Bradley
Rodriguez
Quentin
Youkilis
Markakis
Ramirez
Drew
Huff
Mauer
Cabrera
Pena
Damon
Kinsler
Giambi
Morneau
Granderson
Ordonez
Hamilton
Cust
Abreu
Guerrero
Sizemore
Byrd
Roberts
Shoppach

People in front of Pedroia in batting runs above average (bRAA):

Rodriguez
Bradley
Markakis
Youkilis
Quentin
Cabrera
Huff
Mauer
Morneau
Sizemore
Hamilton
Abreu
Damon
Pena
Granderson
Ordonez

by Graham on Nov 18, 2008 4:03 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Agree

I play all the Super Mario games all the way through like a true gamer

by Gomez on Nov 18, 2008 6:48 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

BBWAA writers getting better at their jobs would require expending effort

and said effort is better expended at the press room buffet.

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Nov 18, 2008 12:54 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Or maybe Prior

either of them

Furcal

by JI on Nov 18, 2008 1:07 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Gagne was a reliever, true

but he had a 0.64 tRA that year.

Mariano Rivera this year was 1.11.

I can’t imagine a relief pitcher being more dominant than Gagne in 2003.

by Fett42 on Nov 18, 2008 3:29 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

WPA numbers, for what their worth

Gagne: 5.62 (2.99 WPA/LI)
Schmidt: 4.47 (4.93)
Prior: 4.13 (2.75)

So I think Prior’s out of the picture but I can definitely see the argument for Schmidt. I’d still go with the historical awesmeness of Gagne though.

by Fett42 on Nov 18, 2008 4:14 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I really dislike using WPA as a way to determine the MVP

I brought up Price because Wrigley is a tough place to pitch and Pac-Bell not so much.

Furcal

by JI on Nov 18, 2008 4:18 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

WPA/LI though?

I don’t think it’s the #1 criteria, but I think it’s not a bad idea to factor it in.

And in this case, it makes your case (which I agree with) stronger.

by acblue on Nov 18, 2008 4:37 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

It must have been the mystic properties of his necklace.

"Beer is living proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy." Ben Franklin

by Jed MC on Nov 18, 2008 1:21 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

When I first heard that Dustin won the MVP

I thought I was being lied to.

Shouldn’t that count for something?

by tingeyga on Nov 18, 2008 1:46 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

FWIW

When I came home and saw the news just now about Pedroia, I immediately thought of LL’s reaction.

by Gomez on Nov 18, 2008 6:50 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

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