10/9: Open NLCS Game 1 Thread
So if Hamels doesn't pitch well this series the Phillies appear pretty much boned.
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I'm tempted to say that the Dodgers are the better team
but their fielding kinda blows.
9=8
by JI on Oct 9, 2008 4:04 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I think it's somewhere in the vicinity of average
but Philly’s is really really good.
by Jeff on Oct 9, 2008 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Except for Howard yeah
that’d be my guess
9=8
by JI on Oct 9, 2008 4:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you're going to pick a position to have a bad defensive player, first base would be my first choice though
by seattlebruin on Oct 9, 2008 7:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
For the most part, yes
but it’s not like Burrell has a shit ton of real estate to cover.
9=8
by JI on Oct 9, 2008 7:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Dodger outfield
seems incredibly poor on paper
9=8
by JI on Oct 9, 2008 4:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Juan Pierre!
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
by P Brady on Oct 9, 2008 4:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Indeed it is
but the infield is strong and that should work to their favor tonight.
by Jeff on Oct 9, 2008 4:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I love how FOX only schedules this game to run to 8
despite the 5:22 start time.
It’s long past due to cut the bullshit.
9=8
by JI on Oct 9, 2008 4:05 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Phillies have an offense though.
A really, really good one.
by Matthew on Oct 9, 2008 4:26 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
With Furcal and Manny in the fold
I can’t think that the Dodgers are too far behind them.
9=8
by JI on Oct 9, 2008 4:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Okay, 7th in the NL
really really good overstates the case. Still, good.
by Matthew on Oct 9, 2008 4:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I meant placing 7th in wOBA
vs. and 103 OPS+, both read as slightly above league average.
9=8
by JI on Oct 9, 2008 5:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So Ryan Howard was something like the fifth best player on his own team this season.
MVP!
by Teej on Oct 9, 2008 4:34 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
You idiot he had the most RBIs while people were paying attention.
9=8
by JI on Oct 9, 2008 4:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is he counting pitchers?
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by P Brady on Oct 9, 2008 5:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let's see
Utley, Rollins, Hammel, maybe we’re including Lidge too.
9=8
by JI on Oct 9, 2008 5:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
...Hammel?
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by P Brady on Oct 9, 2008 5:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You have no idea who I'm talking about do you?
9=8
by JI on Oct 9, 2008 5:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I do, but you butchered that name with the name of a hilariousluy bad Rays player.
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by P Brady on Oct 9, 2008 5:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You mean South Kitsap's second most famous athlete?
Fuckin' Richie Sexson man!
by TheBishop on Oct 9, 2008 5:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
South kitsap might as well give up on creating athletes, then.
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
by P Brady on Oct 9, 2008 5:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Willie Bloomquist says
fuck you.
I, on the other hand, kind of agree.
Fuckin' Richie Sexson man!
by TheBishop on Oct 9, 2008 5:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Werth was better. Burrell was better.
And Victorino was close enough that the position adjustment made him better.
by Teej on Oct 9, 2008 5:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Depends on how you adjust for defense
but not Werth, Werth didn’t play enough.
9=8
by JI on Oct 9, 2008 5:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fair enough. I'm just using a quick glance at BRAA and wOBA.
He has a higher BRAA than Howard, but yes, hundreds fewer plate appearances.
by Teej on Oct 9, 2008 5:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Regardless,
anyone who doesn’t vote for Pujols should be killed.
9=8
by JI on Oct 9, 2008 5:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Berkman might have been more valuable.
So I’d give a pass there.
by Matthew on Oct 9, 2008 7:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pujols is a superior defensive first baseman
by Jeff on Oct 9, 2008 7:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree.
I’m just saying that I could buy someone voting for Berkman under the criteria that his WPA was higher.
by Matthew on Oct 9, 2008 7:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I still refuse to use clutchness
unless it is to break a tie between to equal candidates.
9=8
by JI on Oct 9, 2008 7:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would assume that someone who understands the meaning of WPA also understands the impact of defense
by Jeff on Oct 9, 2008 7:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
shrug
I could buy the argument that not enough is known about defense to say for certain that Berkman was more valuable. I don’t support it, but I’m not going to throw a hissy fit if someone used it.
by Matthew on Oct 9, 2008 7:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ryan Howard was less valuable than Randy Winn
by Jeff on Oct 9, 2008 7:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did you hear we could have traded for him 3 years ago?
by Matthew on Oct 9, 2008 7:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I always wondered what we were going to do with Sexson in that hypothetical
by Jeff on Oct 9, 2008 7:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't even remember what the hypothetical was.
Five years from now, it’s going to merge in with the Sherill and Lillibridge thing.
by Matthew on Oct 9, 2008 7:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, you said "was"
I’m only looking at true talent as of the present day.
by Jeff on Oct 9, 2008 5:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I'm just looking at 2008 regular-season performance.
by Teej on Oct 9, 2008 5:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
At least if I'm reading the definition of BRAA correctly.
by Teej on Oct 9, 2008 5:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here comes Tim Mccarver!
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by P Brady on Oct 9, 2008 5:00 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Lowe...
Why M’s why…
BOOYA! You got Slurved!
by Slurvey on Oct 9, 2008 5:04 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
He'll probably be a yankee. :(
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
by P Brady on Oct 9, 2008 5:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've been away from the computer - what is this Lowe comment about?
Screw you, Mariners. I'm back in football's loving arms.
by kevin_ess on Oct 9, 2008 5:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ah, October
I wish I could say I missed Joe Buck
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by I'm NOT Corco on Oct 9, 2008 5:25 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I just don't see LA losing this
they are on too much of a roll
by SullyBaseball on Oct 9, 2008 5:28 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Plus they have really good players.
Fuckin' Richie Sexson man!
by TheBishop on Oct 9, 2008 5:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The amount of off days in between series is bordering on ridiculous.
9=8
by JI on Oct 9, 2008 5:31 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I wish I knew why it bothers me when the season runs into November.
"Sorry I hit you in the helmet Hank, I meant to hit you in the neck." Stan Williams to Hank Aaron.
by dpseadv on Oct 9, 2008 5:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is offensive
Why make the Phillies fucking broadcaster have to degrade to throwing out stupid cliches while reading the starting lineups?
He should be doing the god damn play-by-play, not being forced to read an idiotic script
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by I'm NOT Corco on Oct 9, 2008 5:38 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't care when it was recorded
It’s degrading to the announcer
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by I'm NOT Corco on Oct 9, 2008 5:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
BECAUSE HE CAN HIT HOME RUNS FROM HOME WHERE HE SCORES
HOLY SHIT THAT IS HILARIOUS AND TOPICAL!!!
Fuckin' Richie Sexson man!
by TheBishop on Oct 9, 2008 5:41 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
It's just Mccarver "Freestylin'"
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by P Brady on Oct 9, 2008 5:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Disagree.
Fuckin' Richie Sexson man!
by TheBishop on Oct 9, 2008 5:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was meh.
I hated how he was so god damned awesome nothing could stop him.
“What? Those terrorists want me to build shit out of scrap metal and easily obtainable materials? Fuck that, I’m building the most technological advanced machinery ever! Then I’m going to bathe in money and fuck that hot TV Reporter again. I’m so god damned awesome.”
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by P Brady on Oct 9, 2008 5:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It is almost like he's a superhero
or a comic book character or something.
Fuckin' Richie Sexson man!
by TheBishop on Oct 9, 2008 5:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fair enough
I thought that it was pretty good. I enjoyed Downey and thought the suit was super cool. Probably a case of moderate expectations more than anything else.
Fuckin' Richie Sexson man!
by TheBishop on Oct 9, 2008 5:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The movie was devoid of any substance
If I have to sit through a bunch of dreck to see a bunch of action sequences, those sequences better be spectacular. They weren’tt.
9=8
by JI on Oct 9, 2008 5:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Superman had kryptonite.
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
by P Brady on Oct 9, 2008 5:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Funny how no one remembers Depo was responsible for bringing Lowe to LA
9=8
by JI on Oct 9, 2008 5:50 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
But he traded Paul LoDuca.
Fuckin' Richie Sexson man!
by TheBishop on Oct 9, 2008 5:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
But The Heart And Soul.
Fuckin' Richie Sexson man!
by TheBishop on Oct 9, 2008 5:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
But Hee Seop Choi isn't gritty!
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by I'm NOT Corco on Oct 9, 2008 5:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I love everything about how that saga turned out
by Jeff on Oct 9, 2008 6:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
except where nobody important acknowledged how awesome DePo's trades turned out
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by I'm NOT Corco on Oct 9, 2008 6:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh
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by I'm NOT Corco on Oct 9, 2008 6:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hamels just knows how to pitch.
I know it’s a cliche, but after watching Felix for so long, it’s refreshing to watch someone like this. He knows his change and breaking balls are his best pitches, and he uses them to set up his fastball.
by Teej on Oct 9, 2008 5:51 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Looking at this GD screen, watching these pitches picking the corners.
Pretty fricking sweet to watch.
"Sorry I hit you in the helmet Hank, I meant to hit you in the neck." Stan Williams to Hank Aaron.
by dpseadv on Oct 9, 2008 5:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ok, maaybe not so much on the corners there.
"Sorry I hit you in the helmet Hank, I meant to hit you in the neck." Stan Williams to Hank Aaron.
by dpseadv on Oct 9, 2008 5:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
55% fastballs vs. 66% for Felix
And Hamels is a god damn idiot!
Ahhhh!!
by Jeff on Oct 9, 2008 6:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did you just see that changeup?
Furcal’s helmet came off.
by Teej on Oct 9, 2008 6:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just be happy Felix doesn't have Kazmir's fastball usage.
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by P Brady on Oct 9, 2008 6:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was remarkable how Torre caused Manny to OPS 1.200
9=8
by JI on Oct 9, 2008 6:00 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
He injected him wikth gristle
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
by P Brady on Oct 9, 2008 6:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
While disgustin, gristle, as you could tell by its apparent mix of "Grit" and "Hustle, also is the exact substance as what happens when David Eckstein relieves himself on Darin Erstad's sweat.
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by P Brady on Oct 9, 2008 6:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The next time someone tells you that Player X
is a good defensive firstbaseman, ask them if that player can go into shallow right field and take away a double a la Albert Pujols.
9=8
by JI on Oct 9, 2008 6:07 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Boggs and Gwynn had little power to begin with you moron
9=8
by JI on Oct 9, 2008 6:08 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Tony Gwynn has been called overrated so often he's becoming a little underrated
by Jeff on Oct 9, 2008 6:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would really like to know what to think about his defense pre-belly
by Jeff on Oct 9, 2008 7:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
According to popular opinion it was very good.
9=8
by JI on Oct 9, 2008 7:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Look at all the power he added after he got fat.
9=8
by JI on Oct 9, 2008 7:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I miss Greg Dobbs
now that he’s not blocking Leone
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by I'm NOT Corco on Oct 9, 2008 6:25 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Who told Coach Owens I was in Switzerland?
and why?
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by I'm NOT Corco on Oct 9, 2008 6:39 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
It's amazing how McCarver can be the #1 analyst
and have his own tv show, and I have yet to find a fan that doesn’t detest him.
9=8
by JI on Oct 9, 2008 6:41 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
gee.
I don’t think Tim much cares for Manny being Manny.
according to Fox, the Dodgers are managed by Legendary Manager Joe Torre.
by msb on Oct 9, 2008 6:59 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't think anyone would care for that behavior.
9=8
by JI on Oct 9, 2008 7:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
on the ESPN radio pregame
there was a lot of Manny-lovin’ going on
by msb on Oct 9, 2008 7:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't understand how anyone ever keeps the Phillies scoreless
by Jeff on Oct 9, 2008 7:01 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Tia Carrere is sadly retired, so Shane Victorino will have to do.
B.J. Upton's new nickname = "Laggard McShambleslow"
by esoteric on Oct 9, 2008 7:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Chase Utley: most underrated player in baseball
And I’m not exaggerating. He’s at least in the top 3
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by esoteric on Oct 9, 2008 7:07 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
It's like if Bret Boone were a little worse
but much more consistent from year to year.
9=8
by JI on Oct 9, 2008 7:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
But Boonie was a pure creation of [REDACTED]
Utley is the real deal. And as Gold Glove-caliber 2B, is so much more valuable than his mere batting line shows.
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by esoteric on Oct 9, 2008 7:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed.
He finally started getting some love with his early-season ass-kicking this year, but as soon as he stopped hitting a home run every day, everyone stopped talking about him again.
There’s just nothing that he doesn’t do well.
by Teej on Oct 9, 2008 7:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He slumped badly over the last few months
and it may have been injury related.
9=8
by JI on Oct 9, 2008 7:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He hit .289/.393/.462 in August and September.
Less power, definitely, but he was still hitting well.
by Teej on Oct 9, 2008 7:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And as a 2B.
Brian Roberts might actually be more underappreciated in absolute terms (nobody outside of Baltimore seems to realize how good he’s been), but Utley is more underrated relative to his actual value.
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by esoteric on Oct 9, 2008 7:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thank you WebMD! Your in-depth analysis of Takashi Saito's elbow injury has enlightened me!
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by esoteric on Oct 9, 2008 7:10 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
what the heck is the weather back there?
Lowe is sopping.
by msb on Oct 9, 2008 7:10 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Pat Burrell looks like a bulked up Mike Mussina
AND THIS BULKED-UP MOOSE JUST HIT A HOMER!
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by esoteric on Oct 9, 2008 7:11 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Lowe shouldn't be giving up bombs like this
9=8
by JI on Oct 9, 2008 7:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Any player that strikes out a lot is much more likely to be hated by the hometown fans
9=8
by JI on Oct 9, 2008 7:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
SEE ALSO: Adam Dunn
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by esoteric on Oct 9, 2008 7:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
COUNTER: But what about Ryan Howard?
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by esoteric on Oct 9, 2008 7:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The HR gave them a lead.
Much more valuable than Utley.
by Matthew on Oct 9, 2008 7:12 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
WPA WHORE.
(I know, I know…I’m not an idiot, I get your joke.)
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by esoteric on Oct 9, 2008 7:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Derek Lowe is collapsing like the Tacoma Narrows Bridge.
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by esoteric on Oct 9, 2008 7:12 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Back in 1940?
GO TO BED, FAKE OLD MAN.
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by esoteric on Oct 9, 2008 7:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yesterday was the driest 100 degrees I've ever felt
by Jeff on Oct 9, 2008 7:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This afternoon was so awesome.
I just turned my fan off for the first time since spring.
by Teej on Oct 9, 2008 7:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was below 50 for most of the day here.
9=8
by JI on Oct 9, 2008 7:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was 37 degrees when I left work this morning.
by Goose on Oct 9, 2008 7:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was so cold that my furnace unexpectedly turned on
and set off the fire alarm.
9=8
by JI on Oct 9, 2008 7:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I had always thought of Broxton and Saito as being the two best relievers on the Dodgers
I didn’t realize how godly Kuo was this season
by Fogel on Oct 9, 2008 7:16 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I think it's our general predisposition towards automatically thinking that KOREAN PITCHERS = TEH SUCK.
Although ironically enough Chan Ho Park has been pretty decent out of the pen for the Dodgers this year too. Still, he’s the proud owner of one of the worst contracts in recent memory. Thanks, Mr. Hicks!
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by esoteric on Oct 9, 2008 7:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
According to a certain site, Park has been pretty bad
by Fogel on Oct 9, 2008 7:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bah, your numbers won't work on me.
I go on GUT and GRIT.
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by esoteric on Oct 9, 2008 7:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not as bad as which ever talking head that implied
the only reason Fukadome got a hit was because he was more comfortable facing Satio than American pitchers.
9=8
by JI on Oct 9, 2008 7:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kuo's one of those guys who I've always kept an eye on because he strike out about 5 guys per inning.
But he’s so damn injury-prone.
by Teej on Oct 9, 2008 7:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I remember last year (year before that?) Grady Little said that Kuo was motivated to pitch well in the postseason...
…because “it’s either that or he goes back home to South Korean and gets drafted into the army.”
I’ll admit, I laughed.
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by esoteric on Oct 9, 2008 7:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dear Mr. McCarver:
When Cole Hamels throws a pitch 81-82 mph, it is in no way a “cut fastball.” According to FanGraphs, he doesn’t even have a cutter.
by Teej on Oct 9, 2008 7:23 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Like GBA needs any help being obnoxious.
9=8
by JI on Oct 9, 2008 7:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The best part is that it's never going away
by Robert on Oct 9, 2008 7:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Someday...I hope.
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by Faux on Oct 9, 2008 7:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
At the rate our economy is going the Chinese will buy us out in a few months
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by I'm NOT Corco on Oct 9, 2008 7:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
One more reason why those planes should have hit Fenway Park
I know Jeff agrees with me.
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by esoteric on Oct 9, 2008 7:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The problem is that "God Bless America" is a hokey-ass song.
You know what would be fucking awesome? If, instead, Northern teams sang “The Battle Hymn Of The Republic” (a genuinely moving song) while Southern teams sang “Dixie” (a great melody too).
I also like the regional warfare aspect of it.
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by esoteric on Oct 9, 2008 7:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Either sing "Take me out to the Ballgame" or sing nothing at all.
by Goose on Oct 9, 2008 7:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It would be a great mindfuck if, for Game One, the Rays had someone sing Genesis's "Supper's Ready"
25 minutes later, people are still saying “WTF?”
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by esoteric on Oct 9, 2008 7:29 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
You know, I'm going to disagree here and suggest that God Bless America has a place at sporting games
I get goosebumps anytime I’m at the park and God Bless America or the national anthem is sung. I love that kind of stuff
by seattlebruin on Oct 9, 2008 7:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's what I meant to say
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by I'm NOT Corco on Oct 9, 2008 7:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
My ideal time to show up to a ballpark is before first pitch but after the national anthem is done.
by Matthew on Oct 9, 2008 7:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know, I just enjoy the national anthem.
To me, it represents how sports bring us together, even in spite of athletic rivalries
by seattlebruin on Oct 9, 2008 7:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Meh, I'm going to give up the point
I’ll just say that I like that part of games that I go to. I certainly think two songs is enough, but the national anthem especially gets me really excited for the game
by seattlebruin on Oct 9, 2008 7:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not trying to argue with you or anything. It's clearly a personal thing.
I just happen to loathe it along with pretty much any publicly forced demonstrations of nationalism.
by Matthew on Oct 9, 2008 7:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The problem is that forced demonstrations are basically the only place to publically display your nationalism
Sure, I can hang a flag from my window, but as far as observing the national anthem there is no point in doing that in the privacy of your own home.
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by I'm NOT Corco on Oct 9, 2008 7:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am going to regret participating on this but why is it necessary for one's nationalism to be publicly displayed?
by Jeff on Oct 9, 2008 7:42 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
That's obviously a matter of preference
I like people to know I like my country. This is unimportant to some other people.
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by I'm NOT Corco on Oct 9, 2008 7:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't really care if pepole know that I love my country
I care that I love my country.
by seattlebruin on Oct 9, 2008 7:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
But you're standing in other people's way to make them display their pride in the same manner you do.
I enjoy the national anthem, but you’re out on a thin limb there.
by Teej on Oct 9, 2008 7:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Behavior like that Corco is liable to get you punched in the face.
by Goose on Oct 9, 2008 7:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If somebody wants to punch me for stopping and not continuing to walk during the national anthem
I will take them down. I don’t care who they are but they’ll spend the rest of their night in a fucking hospital
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by I'm NOT Corco on Oct 9, 2008 7:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm just gonna end my involvement in this discussion with this

by Goose on Oct 9, 2008 7:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree with this, Goose
I think you unfairly baited Corco with that one.
by seattlebruin on Oct 9, 2008 7:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And furthermore, the Indiana Jones "STOP POSTING" is better anyway.
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by esoteric on Oct 9, 2008 7:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Morning paper:
A Mariners fan died at Safeco Field last night after being strangled with an American flag during the national anthem.
by Teej on Oct 9, 2008 7:49 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm only in their way in the event that I'm buying food while the anthem is being played
This has only happened twice. If I’m out in the concourse I’m not really in people’s way. They can see me but it’s pretty easy to walk around me
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by I'm NOT Corco on Oct 9, 2008 7:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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I try to stand in high traffic areas where people are tempted to continue walking during the national anthems in the hopes of making others feel like assholes
by Matthew on Oct 9, 2008 7:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
High traffic areas means there are lots of other people there too
Some of which are probably standing either for the national anthem or not
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by I'm NOT Corco on Oct 9, 2008 7:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The concourse is a walkway
it is made for walking
by Jeff on Oct 9, 2008 7:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
How is what I'm dong more disrespectful then the group of teenagers talking in a circle in the middle of the concourse?
People stand in the concourse all the time
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by I'm NOT Corco on Oct 9, 2008 7:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And bigger people push through them.
I don’t know what that jackass in front of me is doing, I just want to get in front of my seat and he’s standing there talking to no one.
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by Faux on Oct 9, 2008 7:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because there is a social good in publicly reinforcing patriotic values
Not if it’s coerced. But there’s nothing wrong with reminding people that, hey, lots of people really friggin’ love this country and are proud to say out loud.
And that’s all I’m going to say on the subject.
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by esoteric on Oct 9, 2008 7:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You can do that without standing in peoples' ways
by Jeff on Oct 9, 2008 7:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That I agree with.
There’s no need to physically obstruct people. That’s just intentionally aggravating.
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by esoteric on Oct 9, 2008 7:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
For the record if I'm in the unfortunate circumstance of being in a stadium during the anthem I stop too
Corco just seems to be unusually militant about it.
by Jeff on Oct 9, 2008 7:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
"GET OFF MY LAND!"
(hoping that Teej, at least, will get the Mr. Show reference.)
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by esoteric on Oct 9, 2008 7:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I often vacation in New Freeland, Montana.
by Teej on Oct 9, 2008 7:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
But remember, he eventually gave it up for the great nation of America.
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by esoteric on Oct 9, 2008 7:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
There are like four holidays with parades that are specifically for this purpose.
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by Faux on Oct 9, 2008 7:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why not?
I do it at ballparks almost the same way I would do it at home. It’s stupid to only display your pride in your nation when people are looking at you
by seattlebruin on Oct 9, 2008 7:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do you listen to the national anthem outside of sporting events in your own home?
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by I'm NOT Corco on Oct 9, 2008 7:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If they play it, then I certainly do.
by seattlebruin on Oct 9, 2008 7:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
"They" though
which implies other people and therefore public
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by I'm NOT Corco on Oct 9, 2008 7:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What I'm saying is that if I hear the National Anthem, I will respect it and remain quiet throughout (besides softly singing along) in deferernce to my country
I love it at games which I attend, but don’t find it necessary for all games I watch on TV.
by seattlebruin on Oct 9, 2008 7:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I see nothing wrong with encouraging patriotic gestures like the one you're talking about.
I’m viciously opposed to REQUIRING such gestures.
Whatever, the national anthem — however poorly performed by anyone at any time — just has a lot of meaning for me for personal reasons, like the flag does. It doesn’t chafe me if others feel differently, though.
And with that, I will stop abruptly before I veer into POLITICS.
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by esoteric on Oct 9, 2008 7:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh I highly do not think it should be required
I just like reminding people who want to do it to do it
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by I'm NOT Corco on Oct 9, 2008 7:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Which is why I agree with you.
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by esoteric on Oct 9, 2008 7:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't get it at SafeCo
I’ve gotten jeers from people in line for refusing to take my food at the concessions stands while the anthem is being played.
I’m going to stand and face the flag during the National Anthem no matter what is going on unless someone is dying or something
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by I'm NOT Corco on Oct 9, 2008 7:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Once again, I agree with Corco
this is frightening to me
by seattlebruin on Oct 9, 2008 7:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I try to stand in high traffic areas where people are tempted to continue walking during the national anthems in the hopes of making others feel like assholes
You can usually get a few people to stop walking and stop and face the flag for the remainder of the anthem
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by I'm NOT Corco on Oct 9, 2008 7:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thank you
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by I'm NOT Corco on Oct 9, 2008 7:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Unfortunately, I think Jeff was being sarcastic.
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by esoteric on Oct 9, 2008 7:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's not even making people feel like assholes
It’s more reminding people that you’re “supposed” to do that
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by I'm NOT Corco on Oct 9, 2008 7:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hate people who disrespect the national anthem by not stopping
and work hard to remind people to do so
Because many people genuinely want to but are oblivious to the situation
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by I'm NOT Corco on Oct 9, 2008 7:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you are oblivious that the National Anthem is being played
then you have to certifiably retarded. You can hear from anywhere in the ballpark.
by Matthew on Oct 9, 2008 7:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Theres a comment I want to use here, but I'm not going to.
by Goose on Oct 9, 2008 7:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I completely agree with this.
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by esoteric on Oct 9, 2008 7:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am confused here
At Safeco all staff is required to stop all services during the singing of the National Anthem.
Therefore, you cannot stop the line because no one is moving.
by Sec 108 on Oct 10, 2008 9:21 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
"The Star Spangled Banner" yes. "God Bless America" no.
The former is easily one of the best-written national anthems in the world (it’s got a wonderful melody, which is perhaps related to the fact that it’s quite hard to sing). The latter is a piece of hokum.
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by esoteric on Oct 9, 2008 7:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like it
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by I'm NOT Corco on Oct 9, 2008 7:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's a good tune
and as long as they do Take Me Out to the Ballgame as well I think it’s appropriate
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by I'm NOT Corco on Oct 9, 2008 7:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think there should be a designated anthem singer so this doesn't happen
by Fogel on Oct 9, 2008 7:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, I PRESENT YOU RONAN TYNAN
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by esoteric on Oct 9, 2008 7:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Miguel Cairo called
he wants his ears back
by Jeff on Oct 9, 2008 7:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hate Ronan Tynan's singing so much...
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by esoteric on Oct 9, 2008 7:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
and that designated singer should be the duo of Akon and T-Pain
by Fogel on Oct 9, 2008 7:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's because he is
Akon kind of weirds me out
by seattlebruin on Oct 9, 2008 7:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Akon's songs are just so ridiculous and over the top that I find him hilarious
by Fogel on Oct 9, 2008 7:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good point. I still have a suspicion that Akon doesn't know English and people are writing lyrics for him.
Like when we used to try to get the foreign-exchange student to say swear words. Akon’s stuff is so unintentionally funny. T-Pain seems to at least be in on the joke.
by Teej on Oct 9, 2008 7:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think my favorite Akon song of all time was that one where he kept on saying
“it’s not my fault but you can blame me anyway” for the whole chorus

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