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GM Candidate List Begins To Take Shape

Straight from the best sportswriter in the city:

In search of a replacement for Bill Bavasi, who was fired on June 16, the Mariners will interview Peter Woodfork, the Arizona Diamondbacks assistant general manager; Jerry DiPoto, Diamondbacks director of player personnel; Tony Bernazard, New York Mets vice president of player development; Kim Ng, Los Angeles Dodgers assistant general manager; and Tony LaCava, Toronto Blue Jays assistant general manager.
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The Mariners are expected to talk to more candidates next week as they aim for an announcement shortly after the World Series.

When you're dealing with people who don't have any prior GM'ing experience, it's impossible to say what they'd be like once granted total control of a roster, but based on a little quick Googling, none of these executives rode the nepotism escalator too close to the sun, so that's a step up from our last guy. There's pretty much no possible way we come out of this looking worse. It's just up to the suits in charge to maximize the degree to which we get better.

Of these five, I think I'm most fond of Woodfork (Harvard! Epstein!) and least fond of Bernazard (Controversy! Subterfuge!), but honestly, I can't say for sure, because we just don't know enough about these people to draw conclusions. It's a mystery, and as easy as it would be to simply judge the candidates based on the organizations for whom they've worked in the past, that's a dangerous and highly misleading approach, because a single organization will employ people with a million different philosophies. Mat Olkin and Bill Bavasi worked for the same team, remember. The same goes for Paul DePodesta and Randy Smith. Hiring someone who worked for the Red Sox isn't guaranteed to work out better than hiring someone who worked for the Orioles, because every front office is a mixed bag. We just have to hope that Armstrong and Lincoln know what they're doing, which, uhhhhh

We'll see which other names come up next week. Barring some nightmare, I think I'll be happy just as long as we avoid hiring some leathery retread. In this case, I'd say better the devil we don't know than the devil we do. If this organization is to persist as a failure, here's to failing differently.

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Fuck Harvard.

I would like this to be over already with a good resolution.

by Matthew on Oct 8, 2008 10:53 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I haven't really heard the names of too many bad resolutions

Ng, Woodfork, LaCava, whoever – they all seem like improvements, and while the degree of the improvement would differ with each candidate, what’s important is that it’s progress.

by Jeff on Oct 8, 2008 4:07 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Can we assume these are their five top choices?

If so, that looks pretty promising. At least compared with what the pessimistic side of me was expecting.

I guess there might be a candidate currently working for one of the four organizations that are still playing.

by Teej on Oct 8, 2008 10:58 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

They moved the timeline back from the last time I checked

They had originally hoped to announce right before the WS

by Robert on Oct 8, 2008 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's my bet

I am just about willing to place any amount of money on Ng getting the job

by Robert on Oct 8, 2008 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I am shocked, terribly shocked that would be said about a woman.

I mean, really, the ultimate old boys club intimating a woman who’d been working in MLB for that long not being ready? Next we’ll be hearing about how blacks may not have some of the necessities to be, let’s say, a field manager, or, perhaps, a general manager from some Dodgers executive or something.

Say, come to think of it, can’t we hire another one of Buzzy Bavasi’s kids?

by eponymous_coward on Oct 8, 2008 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

As opposed to the retreads that are?

Look, if you’re not “ready” for a promotion after 10+ years of working in your chosen field, you’re basically saying the person is Bill Bavasi, and it’s not a matter of being “ready”, any more than Willie Bloomquist isn’t “ready” to hit 50 home runs in a season- it’s a matter of “can’t do the job and they’ve hit their ceiling”. (Bill’s problem was people seem quite willing to let him prove the Peter Principle’s applicability to MLB.)

Given that MLB executives have given any number of bad GMs multiple bites at the apple, I’m really skeptical that we should judge who’s “ready” and who isn’t based on whispered scuttlebutt- especially since baseball has a history of being old-boys-networked, insular, and resistant to change.

by eponymous_coward on Oct 8, 2008 12:26 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm pretty sure there'd be Negro Leagues if people always took that attitude.

Sometimes, you need to tell the baseball old boys network to perform the anatomically impossible when it comes to their ways of thinking. Thank God Billy Beane’s always been wiling to do that as necessary.

by eponymous_coward on Oct 8, 2008 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

And this team isn't seriously looking a retreads

In fact Kim Ng has been around Baseball for the longest of all these names.

by Robert on Oct 8, 2008 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

A lot of people like her

I’m trying to remember why.

I can’t imagine that “Ng will likely be the first woman GM in baseball history and here’s why she won’t be good at it” would be a very popular opinion, but has anyone ever tried it?

by Jeff on Oct 8, 2008 3:42 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ng and LaCava are my favorite picks of the bunch.

Here’s a Baseball Prospectus interview conducted almost 5 years ago. Her top strengths include agents, players, and other club executives. Unless her opinions have changed in the last few years her ideal team to build would be more like how the Yankees are built. BUT she’s definitely aware that it’s going to differ from club to club. She’s aware of ballpark factors. She would put emphasis on scouting an player evaluation and acquire a manager who’s good with young players and is a great strategist.

It’s tough to say whether she’s on top of the latest statistical tools. She believed that stats don’t tell everything but she’s also an analytical person.

I think she would be a surprisingly good fit here.

by ThundaPC on Oct 8, 2008 3:47 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I had forgotten about that interview.

Thanks for the link reminder.

I can say that I am a proponent of being strong up the middle offensively.

Bad news, Yuni.

by Jeff on Oct 8, 2008 4:03 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

What does she mean by "Yankees?"

Post 2000’s roster construction like Silva, Wright, Pavano signings; or the build-from-within Jeter, Williams core? This is important. I’m assuming it’s the latter because I can’t imagine her being stupid after what I’ve read about her.

by Double06 on Oct 8, 2008 5:11 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Realistically?

If you’re using ME as a touchstone to judge the caliber of MLB front office employees, you should be fired. So I won’t presume to judge her qualifications per se outside of what I’ve heard in the press making her a plausible candidate.

My observation is simply that “ready” has a high likelihood of being a cop-out that covers other reasons (ala “resigned to spend time with family” and other corporate-speak), plus considering who the average MLB senior executive thinks is “ready” for the job, it’s not altogether certain THEY know what they are doing that well, either.

by eponymous_coward on Oct 9, 2008 2:38 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Does the Ready Fairy just show up one day and sprinkle Magic Ready Dust, then?

Seriously, she’s been an assistant GM for 10 years. Do you seriously think you can do a job for ten years, and not be “ready” for a promotion, and that actually stand for anything other than a code word for “she’s maxed out her usefulness to a MLB front office, and does not have what it takes to be deserve a promotion”?

Or, to put it another way- Kim Ng has been an AGM for as long as Billy Beane’s been a GM. 10 years before Billy Beane was a GM, he was playing baseball for the Minnesota Twins, let alone actually being in a front office.

Basically, if she isn’t “ready” after 10 years, it’s hard to see what makes her “ready”.

by eponymous_coward on Oct 9, 2008 2:33 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Pronounced as Ing I think it is

Pronounced as Ang I think is Chinese

Determined, Jonesing Commentor | Proud proprietor of Washingtonhighways.org

by I'm NOT Corco on Oct 9, 2008 9:08 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Um...

We should defer to HER wisdom. She says she’s Chinese America. So she is.

by rtang on Oct 9, 2008 10:32 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

From Stones article on Friday
John Hart, who built the Indians’ powerhouse of the 1990s, could emerge as a candidate, as well as former San Diego and Detroit GM Randy Smith, currently the Padres’ director of international scouting.

Another potential candidate with strong credentials is former Dodgers GM Dan Evans, who left a Mariners advisory position after last season to become president and CEO of West Coast Sports Management, a Southern California firm that represents pro baseball players.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/mariners/2008224010_mari03.html

by Robert on Oct 8, 2008 11:03 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Dan Evans?

DANGER DANGER AWOOOGA

9=8

by JI on Oct 8, 2008 11:06 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

What floor?

"Hole in one, eh?"

by Coach Owens on Oct 8, 2008 4:11 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Needs more Littlefield and Bonifay.

Really, I mean, if you want a list of GMs,with histories of FAIL for your interviews, you can’t leave the Pirates and the Rays out (you probably should find some ex-Oriole staffers, too- say, maybe Jim Beattie’s available!). Maybe they could add Syd Thrift as a Special Adviser to the GM for Matters of Incompetence, to be sure that the Mariner franchise could go into a ditch. We wouldn’t want to leave any doubt.

by eponymous_coward on Oct 8, 2008 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think I will be very unhappy

If both the new GM and Manager are ex-Mariner 2nd basemen.

by Sec 108 on Oct 8, 2008 11:08 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I don't hate him

I just hate what he represents and will be unbelievably angry with the Mariners if they cave in to it and hire him to manage.

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Oct 8, 2008 11:26 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cora's been atop managerial candidate lists for a while now

In this instance I don’t think it’s the 1995 connection that’s fueling the rumors.

by Jeff on Oct 8, 2008 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Really?

I haven’t heard his name in situations out side of Seattle.

by Robert on Oct 8, 2008 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

And that's my thing

I’ve never once heard his name in any speculation for any other management job. I’ll be the first to concede I was wrong if he comes in and has success – I just don’t think he would.

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Oct 8, 2008 12:52 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

that would be pretty comical.

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Oct 8, 2008 1:04 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

GM - Bret Boone

Manager – Harold Reynolds.

by Phildopip on Oct 8, 2008 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Please.

I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.

by Llewdor on Oct 8, 2008 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

YES!

I would do near anything to make this occur.

by Fez on Oct 8, 2008 12:09 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Escalator of Nepotism

The Moving Staircase of Icarus

I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.

by Llewdor on Oct 8, 2008 1:32 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Any thoughts on who is going to be manager?

I hear Cora’s name being tossed around a lot and Dan Wilson at one point to.

BOOYA! You got Slurved!

by Slurvey on Oct 8, 2008 3:10 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Hey, how about not hiring a former Mariner?

How about getting an actual good manager?

"Hole in one, eh?"

by Coach Owens on Oct 8, 2008 3:54 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Um I never said go get them now I just said those were some of the most common names tossed around.

I for one don’t really care who our manager so I was getting a view of what you guys thought about them I think I’d settle for Yost though.

BOOYA! You got Slurved!

by Slurvey on Oct 8, 2008 4:00 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I still want Bobby Valentine

if we could coax him out of Japan.

I know it’s been done to death but I’ve always liked the guy.

Cuba Si! Yanqi No!

by Patrick517 on Oct 8, 2008 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wouldn't mind getting him, but I doubt you'll pry him out of Japan.

Cora I’m also okay with, but Wilson has never managed at any level, why would he even be a candidate?

I'm back to liking midgets too much (Scrappy's comes first, don't worry).

by Thingray on Oct 8, 2008 4:44 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cora is a legitimate candidate.

But name me one manager who got a major league job with no prior coaching experience.

I'm back to liking midgets too much (Scrappy's comes first, don't worry).

by Thingray on Oct 8, 2008 5:16 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sweet Lou?

"Hole in one, eh?"

by Coach Owens on Oct 8, 2008 5:32 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

This guy.

The road to hell is paved with Mariners.

by Taylor H on Oct 8, 2008 6:37 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

He's a catcher! Catchers make good managers!

Nostalgia! Happy old ladies! Knit & Pitch!

by Double06 on Oct 8, 2008 5:13 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wasn't talking about you, just about the Mariners.

They’re idiots if they hire Wilson or Cora just because they’re former M’s.

"Hole in one, eh?"

by Coach Owens on Oct 8, 2008 4:04 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Please

Take Tony B off our hands.

"I got my pregnant wife (the Yankee fan) with me. Hoping my kid learns to kick her everytime the Mets score." -Schifftis-

by future on Oct 8, 2008 3:54 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

What's the DBacks equivalant of USSM?

I need some extra good reading now that Dave is on the bench.

by Double06 on Oct 8, 2008 5:15 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

draysbay I think.

I'm back to liking midgets too much (Scrappy's comes first, don't worry).

by Thingray on Oct 8, 2008 5:17 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yep:

http://www.draysbay.com/

I'm back to liking midgets too much (Scrappy's comes first, don't worry).

by Thingray on Oct 8, 2008 5:18 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Backs, not Rays.

I know of RJ’s work there and at BtBS.

by Double06 on Oct 8, 2008 5:25 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The SBN Dbacks blog isn't great.

The road to hell is paved with Mariners.

by Taylor H on Oct 8, 2008 6:37 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I know.

That’s why I don’t go. I wasn’t talking about SBN blogs.

by Double06 on Oct 8, 2008 6:52 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's decent at times.

The commenting blows though. For one thing the guy that runs it has a “no cussing” rule.

Every once in a while his stuff is a decent read, but I don’t comment there, and it certainly isn’t my first stop for DBacks related stuff.

by Goose on Oct 8, 2008 7:08 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Perhaps I worded that wrong. There isn't(at least to my knowledge) a Dbacks equivalent to USSM necessarily

just a Dbacks equivalent to Dave/Derek that all post here.

Woodfork has posted there a few times, as has Josh Byrnes and Derek Hall(Hall has the most posts out of those guys I think). I know a few players read the place, but I don’t know if any post.

The point is, it would be cool to have some Mariners participation around here. Weather it be players or what have you.

by Goose on Oct 8, 2008 5:19 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

If our GM posted even sporadically on here or USSM that's a huge step forward

Bavasi was the man and was pretty open to come talk at feeds which was really cool but I have little reason to believe he actually read USSM or LL, which I think Woodfork would probably do to some extent

Determined, Jonesing Commentor | Proud proprietor of Washingtonhighways.org

by I'm NOT Corco on Oct 8, 2008 5:33 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's not even that reading the blogs and culling our ideas is necessarily something that needs to happen

It’s just a large step forward in making the front office more transparent and transparency lends itself to spending more time reasoning out decisions which is good

Determined, Jonesing Commentor | Proud proprietor of Washingtonhighways.org

by I'm NOT Corco on Oct 8, 2008 5:40 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

various notes from above ....

other “no experience” first-time managers? Joe Torre, Jim Fregosi, Bob Brenly, Lou Boudreau, Jerry Coleman, Willie Randolph, Don Baylor, Ray Knight ….

Cora? three minor league managerial stints, as well as his time as GM of the Caguas baseball team, and interviews with the Mets, Pirates and Nationals

by msb on Oct 9, 2008 1:37 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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