GM Candidate List Begins To Take Shape
Straight from the best sportswriter in the city:
In search of a replacement for Bill Bavasi, who was fired on June 16, the Mariners will interview Peter Woodfork, the Arizona Diamondbacks assistant general manager; Jerry DiPoto, Diamondbacks director of player personnel; Tony Bernazard, New York Mets vice president of player development; Kim Ng, Los Angeles Dodgers assistant general manager; and Tony LaCava, Toronto Blue Jays assistant general manager.
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The Mariners are expected to talk to more candidates next week as they aim for an announcement shortly after the World Series.
When you're dealing with people who don't have any prior GM'ing experience, it's impossible to say what they'd be like once granted total control of a roster, but based on a little quick Googling, none of these executives rode the nepotism escalator too close to the sun, so that's a step up from our last guy. There's pretty much no possible way we come out of this looking worse. It's just up to the suits in charge to maximize the degree to which we get better.
Of these five, I think I'm most fond of Woodfork (Harvard! Epstein!) and least fond of Bernazard (Controversy! Subterfuge!), but honestly, I can't say for sure, because we just don't know enough about these people to draw conclusions. It's a mystery, and as easy as it would be to simply judge the candidates based on the organizations for whom they've worked in the past, that's a dangerous and highly misleading approach, because a single organization will employ people with a million different philosophies. Mat Olkin and Bill Bavasi worked for the same team, remember. The same goes for Paul DePodesta and Randy Smith. Hiring someone who worked for the Red Sox isn't guaranteed to work out better than hiring someone who worked for the Orioles, because every front office is a mixed bag. We just have to hope that Armstrong and Lincoln know what they're doing, which, uhhhhh
We'll see which other names come up next week. Barring some nightmare, I think I'll be happy just as long as we avoid hiring some leathery retread. In this case, I'd say better the devil we don't know than the devil we do. If this organization is to persist as a failure, here's to failing differently.
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Fuck Harvard.
I would like this to be over already with a good resolution.
I haven't really heard the names of too many bad resolutions
Ng, Woodfork, LaCava, whoever – they all seem like improvements, and while the degree of the improvement would differ with each candidate, what’s important is that it’s progress.
by Jeff Sullivan on Oct 8, 2008 4:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Great, get ready for Dave Littlefield.
by eponymous_coward on Oct 8, 2008 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions
Oh, that was a joke.
I’m actually pretty happy about the candidate list. Woo failing differently.
by eponymous_coward on Oct 8, 2008 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions
Can we assume these are their five top choices?
If so, that looks pretty promising. At least compared with what the pessimistic side of me was expecting.
I guess there might be a candidate currently working for one of the four organizations that are still playing.
After reading Stone's piece again, I guess that would be a bad assumption, since they have more planned next week.
They moved the timeline back from the last time I checked
They had originally hoped to announce right before the WS
Maybe the Dodgers' advancement has something to do with that.
9=8
by JI on Oct 8, 2008 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions
Taken with a grain of salt but Churchill says the whispers say she isnt anywhere close to being ready
This is similar to when Erik Bedard was faking an injury at the advice of his agent.
9=8
by JI on Oct 8, 2008 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions
Mmm, tasty internet.
I fucking hate you Mariners
I am shocked, terribly shocked that would be said about a woman.
I mean, really, the ultimate old boys club intimating a woman who’d been working in MLB for that long not being ready? Next we’ll be hearing about how blacks may not have some of the necessities to be, let’s say, a field manager, or, perhaps, a general manager from some Dodgers executive or something.
Say, come to think of it, can’t we hire another one of Buzzy Bavasi’s kids?
by eponymous_coward on Oct 8, 2008 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions
As opposed to the retreads that are?
Look, if you’re not “ready” for a promotion after 10+ years of working in your chosen field, you’re basically saying the person is Bill Bavasi, and it’s not a matter of being “ready”, any more than Willie Bloomquist isn’t “ready” to hit 50 home runs in a season- it’s a matter of “can’t do the job and they’ve hit their ceiling”. (Bill’s problem was people seem quite willing to let him prove the Peter Principle’s applicability to MLB.)
Given that MLB executives have given any number of bad GMs multiple bites at the apple, I’m really skeptical that we should judge who’s “ready” and who isn’t based on whispered scuttlebutt- especially since baseball has a history of being old-boys-networked, insular, and resistant to change.
by eponymous_coward on Oct 8, 2008 12:26 PM PDT up reply actions
It doesn't matter if you are the smartest kid in the room if nobody wants to work with you on a group project
I'm pretty sure there'd be Negro Leagues if people always took that attitude.
Sometimes, you need to tell the baseball old boys network to perform the anatomically impossible when it comes to their ways of thinking. Thank God Billy Beane’s always been wiling to do that as necessary.
by eponymous_coward on Oct 8, 2008 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions
And this team isn't seriously looking a retreads
In fact Kim Ng has been around Baseball for the longest of all these names.
Out of curiosity what reasons do we have to believe that she's ready to be a solid GM?
by Jeff Sullivan on Oct 8, 2008 3:38 PM PDT up reply actions
A lot of people like her
I’m trying to remember why.
I can’t imagine that “Ng will likely be the first woman GM in baseball history and here’s why she won’t be good at it” would be a very popular opinion, but has anyone ever tried it?
by Jeff Sullivan on Oct 8, 2008 3:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Ng and LaCava are my favorite picks of the bunch.
Here’s a Baseball Prospectus interview conducted almost 5 years ago. Her top strengths include agents, players, and other club executives. Unless her opinions have changed in the last few years her ideal team to build would be more like how the Yankees are built. BUT she’s definitely aware that it’s going to differ from club to club. She’s aware of ballpark factors. She would put emphasis on scouting an player evaluation and acquire a manager who’s good with young players and is a great strategist.
It’s tough to say whether she’s on top of the latest statistical tools. She believed that stats don’t tell everything but she’s also an analytical person.
I think she would be a surprisingly good fit here.
I think the repeated use of "her" and "she" made that pretty clear.
Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.
by pdb on Oct 8, 2008 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions
I had forgotten about that interview.
Thanks for the link reminder.
I can say that I am a proponent of being strong up the middle offensively.
Bad news, Yuni.
by Jeff Sullivan on Oct 8, 2008 4:03 PM PDT up reply actions
What does she mean by "Yankees?"
Post 2000’s roster construction like Silva, Wright, Pavano signings; or the build-from-within Jeter, Williams core? This is important. I’m assuming it’s the latter because I can’t imagine her being stupid after what I’ve read about her.
Wasn't there a KJR interview where she said impressive things?
9=8
by JI on Oct 8, 2008 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions
Realistically?
If you’re using ME as a touchstone to judge the caliber of MLB front office employees, you should be fired. So I won’t presume to judge her qualifications per se outside of what I’ve heard in the press making her a plausible candidate.
My observation is simply that “ready” has a high likelihood of being a cop-out that covers other reasons (ala “resigned to spend time with family” and other corporate-speak), plus considering who the average MLB senior executive thinks is “ready” for the job, it’s not altogether certain THEY know what they are doing that well, either.
by eponymous_coward on Oct 9, 2008 2:38 AM PDT up reply actions
Does the Ready Fairy just show up one day and sprinkle Magic Ready Dust, then?
Seriously, she’s been an assistant GM for 10 years. Do you seriously think you can do a job for ten years, and not be “ready” for a promotion, and that actually stand for anything other than a code word for “she’s maxed out her usefulness to a MLB front office, and does not have what it takes to be deserve a promotion”?
Or, to put it another way- Kim Ng has been an AGM for as long as Billy Beane’s been a GM. 10 years before Billy Beane was a GM, he was playing baseball for the Minnesota Twins, let alone actually being in a front office.
Basically, if she isn’t “ready” after 10 years, it’s hard to see what makes her “ready”.
by eponymous_coward on Oct 9, 2008 2:33 AM PDT up reply actions
Pronounced as Ing I think it is
Pronounced as Ang I think is Chinese
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Explain the Korean I know pronounced Ing but spelled Ng
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Oh my god, a last name isn't exclusive to one country?!?!?!?!
THIS CHANGES EVERYTHING EVER KNOWN IN HISTORY!
It's always supposed to be pronounced "ing" like in sing.
It can be romanized as anything however.
That's what I thought until I read Kim Ng where most newspapers seem to say it's pronounced Kim Ang
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The position isn't very public
And maybe the Dodgers are thankful for us taking Bavasi off their hands!
They owe us Ethier for that.
The road to hell is paved with Mariners.
by .Taylor on Oct 8, 2008 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions
MLB doesn't like teams announcing major org moves during the playoffs
so even if they do hire someone next week, in all likelihood it won’t be made public until November.
Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.
From Stones article on Friday
John Hart, who built the Indians’ powerhouse of the 1990s, could emerge as a candidate, as well as former San Diego and Detroit GM Randy Smith, currently the Padres’ director of international scouting.
Another potential candidate with strong credentials is former Dodgers GM Dan Evans, who left a Mariners advisory position after last season to become president and CEO of West Coast Sports Management, a Southern California firm that represents pro baseball players.
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/mariners/2008224010_mari03.html
Randy Smith is someone who would have been said as a bad joke a month ago.
9=8
by JI on Oct 8, 2008 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions
Oh ok so the floor is that if the mariners become a expansion team and the MLB deems that Randy Smith doesn't need a expansion draft
Remember how a bunch of people were happy that the Sonics moved because they could finally be honest about how they actually hated basketball
Remember how some people are still pissed off that our team was taken from us??
>:(
I'm back to liking midgets too much (Scrappy's comes first, don't worry).
Can't see the pic,
but it might just be me.
I'm back to liking midgets too much (Scrappy's comes first, don't worry).
This would be bad news for my brain and good news for the website
by Jeff Sullivan on Oct 8, 2008 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions
Needs more Littlefield and Bonifay.
Really, I mean, if you want a list of GMs,with histories of FAIL for your interviews, you can’t leave the Pirates and the Rays out (you probably should find some ex-Oriole staffers, too- say, maybe Jim Beattie’s available!). Maybe they could add Syd Thrift as a Special Adviser to the GM for Matters of Incompetence, to be sure that the Mariner franchise could go into a ditch. We wouldn’t want to leave any doubt.
by eponymous_coward on Oct 8, 2008 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't hate him
I just hate what he represents and will be unbelievably angry with the Mariners if they cave in to it and hire him to manage.
Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.
Cora's been atop managerial candidate lists for a while now
In this instance I don’t think it’s the 1995 connection that’s fueling the rumors.
by Jeff Sullivan on Oct 8, 2008 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions
And that's my thing
I’ve never once heard his name in any speculation for any other management job. I’ll be the first to concede I was wrong if he comes in and has success – I just don’t think he would.
Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.
Off the top of my head I remember hearing him connected to Florida and New York
by Jeff Sullivan on Oct 8, 2008 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions
I would feel bad if he became the Willie Randolph Token Minority Candidate.
Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.
by pdb on Oct 8, 2008 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions
I just like the idea of an entire baseball team having to answer to a six year old
by Jeff Sullivan on Oct 8, 2008 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions
that would be pretty comical.
Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.
by pdb on Oct 8, 2008 1:04 PM PDT up reply actions
You want to see crying?
I’LL SHOW YOU CRYING, LOSER!!!!!!
that plus a swift kick in the shins would be a great motivational tool.
Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.
by pdb on Oct 8, 2008 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions
I never for one second thought that we could follow John McLaren with someone wussier
by Jeff Sullivan on Oct 8, 2008 1:11 PM PDT up reply actions
I'd like to see Carlos Silva try to throw that through a wall
by Jeff Sullivan on Oct 8, 2008 3:39 PM PDT up reply actions
I as well.
We don’t have to pay Silva if he dies from being fucking destroyed do we?
GM - Bret Boone
Manager – Harold Reynolds.
by Phil Hatzenbuehler on Oct 8, 2008 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions
If he's still here.
The road to hell is paved with Mariners.
by .Taylor on Oct 8, 2008 12:19 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't think Raul has much of a shot at the Hutch Award
I’m gonna say it’s going to Baldelli, Davis or Lester
I'm happy with all of these guys except Bernazard.
The road to hell is paved with Mariners.
by .Taylor on Oct 8, 2008 12:17 PM PDT reply actions
Can we resurrect Bill Veeck?
Because that would be amazing.
by Two Rs and Two Ls on Oct 8, 2008 12:44 PM PDT reply actions
Escalator of Nepotism
The Moving Staircase of Icarus
I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.
Any thoughts on who is going to be manager?
I hear Cora’s name being tossed around a lot and Dan Wilson at one point to.
BOOYA! You got Slurved!
Hey, how about not hiring a former Mariner?
How about getting an actual good manager?
"Hole in one, eh?"
Um I never said go get them now I just said those were some of the most common names tossed around.
I for one don’t really care who our manager so I was getting a view of what you guys thought about them I think I’d settle for Yost though.
BOOYA! You got Slurved!
I still want Bobby Valentine
if we could coax him out of Japan.
I know it’s been done to death but I’ve always liked the guy.
Cuba Si! Yanqi No!
I wouldn't mind getting him, but I doubt you'll pry him out of Japan.
Cora I’m also okay with, but Wilson has never managed at any level, why would he even be a candidate?
I'm back to liking midgets too much (Scrappy's comes first, don't worry).
Cora is a legitimate candidate.
But name me one manager who got a major league job with no prior coaching experience.
I'm back to liking midgets too much (Scrappy's comes first, don't worry).
This guy.
The road to hell is paved with Mariners.
by .Taylor on Oct 8, 2008 6:37 PM PDT up reply actions
He's a catcher! Catchers make good managers!
Nostalgia! Happy old ladies! Knit & Pitch!
I wasn't talking about you, just about the Mariners.
They’re idiots if they hire Wilson or Cora just because they’re former M’s.
"Hole in one, eh?"
Please
Take Tony B off our hands.
"I got my pregnant wife (the Yankee fan) with me. Hoping my kid learns to kick her everytime the Mets score." -Schifftis-
If Woodfork gets hired, I wonder if he'll actually post over here and/or USSM once in a while like he does the DBacks equivalent.
Why would he do that when he can read the blog for free?
J.K.L.
by Aaron Campeau on Oct 8, 2008 5:08 PM PDT up reply actions
What's the DBacks equivalant of USSM?
I need some extra good reading now that Dave is on the bench.
draysbay I think.
I'm back to liking midgets too much (Scrappy's comes first, don't worry).
Yep:
I'm back to liking midgets too much (Scrappy's comes first, don't worry).
Backs, not Rays.
I know of RJ’s work there and at BtBS.
The SBN Dbacks blog isn't great.
The road to hell is paved with Mariners.
by .Taylor on Oct 8, 2008 6:37 PM PDT up reply actions
It's decent at times.
The commenting blows though. For one thing the guy that runs it has a “no cussing” rule.
Every once in a while his stuff is a decent read, but I don’t comment there, and it certainly isn’t my first stop for DBacks related stuff.
Perhaps I worded that wrong. There isn't(at least to my knowledge) a Dbacks equivalent to USSM necessarily
just a Dbacks equivalent to Dave/Derek that all post here.
Woodfork has posted there a few times, as has Josh Byrnes and Derek Hall(Hall has the most posts out of those guys I think). I know a few players read the place, but I don’t know if any post.
The point is, it would be cool to have some Mariners participation around here. Weather it be players or what have you.
SeaninSoCal might be Ryan Rowland Smith
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I actually think this would be hilarious
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2-1 Yes to no.
The road to hell is paved with Mariners.
by .Taylor on Oct 8, 2008 6:38 PM PDT up reply actions
If our GM posted even sporadically on here or USSM that's a huge step forward
Bavasi was the man and was pretty open to come talk at feeds which was really cool but I have little reason to believe he actually read USSM or LL, which I think Woodfork would probably do to some extent
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It's not even that reading the blogs and culling our ideas is necessarily something that needs to happen
It’s just a large step forward in making the front office more transparent and transparency lends itself to spending more time reasoning out decisions which is good
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Not difficult.
The road to hell is paved with Mariners.
by .Taylor on Oct 8, 2008 6:39 PM PDT up reply actions
various notes from above ....
other “no experience” first-time managers? Joe Torre, Jim Fregosi, Bob Brenly, Lou Boudreau, Jerry Coleman, Willie Randolph, Don Baylor, Ray Knight ….
Cora? three minor league managerial stints, as well as his time as GM of the Caguas baseball team, and interviews with the Mets, Pirates and Nationals

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