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The Angels Are Delusional

Not that you can ever really expect a losing team's players to come right out and say "holy crap those guys are way better than us," but

“It’s frustrating,” [Lackey] said after the Angels were eliminated by the Boston Red Sox in four games of their ALDS. “We lost to a team that’s not better than us.”

The feelings in the clubhouse after this year’s elimination were nothing like those a year ago when the Red Sox beat them, Lackey said.

“Totally different,” he said. “They were better than us last year. They’re not better than us this year.”

...

“Honestly, I feel we’re better,” Hunter said. “We are better...But it was tough walking off that field, knowing you should be the one moving on (to play Tampa). We’re a better team than those guys. But they got it done." (link)

By regular W/L record, the Angels were five wins better than the Red Sox, the former of whom played in a cupcake division, and the latter of whom played in a battlefield.

By Pythagorean W/L record, the Red Sox were eight wins better than the Angels.

By second order W/L record, which is based on equivalent runs and equivalent runs allowed, the Red Sox were 17 wins better than the Angels.

By third order W/L record, which is based on adjusted EqR and adjusted EqR against, the Red Sox were 18 wins better than the Angels.

The Red Sox are the best team in the Major Leagues. By a decent margin. There isn't another team in baseball that couldn't walk off the field after a loss to Boston and at least take solace in the fact that they lost to somebody better. The Angels, meanwhile, might (might) have been the worst team to qualify for the playoffs. It kind of depends on how you weight the midseason Teixeira trade, among a few other things. But that doesn't matter. Here's what it comes down to: if the Angels played in the AL East, they likely would've finished fifth. That's where they would've belonged according to true talent, anyway. The AL East featured four of the five best teams in the Majors, and the fact that Boston still managed to come out of that as well as they did is incredible.

There's no doubt in any smart baseball man's mind that the Red Sox are better than the Angels, and while I'm sure Lackey and Hunter were just talking out of frustration last night, over time it would behoove them to come to terms with the fact that they just didn't measure up. They weren't even close. The Red Sox are terrific and the Angels simply fluked their way into a franchise year, and while a lot of aspects of the MLB postseason are broken, the fact that Boston came away the victor is evidence that a few bits of it still work.

Better luck next year, Anaheim. If there's any justice in the world, next time you really will lose to somebody worse. And I bet it'll taste even sweeter.

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Not only that

The Red Sox haven’t been at 100% for most of the year, and with Lowell out, weren’t at 100% that series.

9=8

by JI on Oct 7, 2008 5:29 PM PDT   0 recs

You can say that about every team.

If the Angels had all their pitchers at the beginning of the season, if we had had Bedard and not all the bad luck, if the Rays didn’t lose Longo for a month, etc.

Aside from the few cases where the front line talent was so much better than the bench that the drop off was enormous (see Bedard or Wang), I’d imagine most teams work out injury wise.

It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray

by Faux on Oct 7, 2008 5:37 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

The Red Sox had major injuries to Drew, Ortiz, Beckett, and Lowell

which caused them to miss significant playing time. This isn’t a run in the mill string of injuries.

The Angels may have had Lackey hurt as well, but the also added Teixeria. I don’t see how the two are comparable.

9=8

by JI on Oct 7, 2008 5:47 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Angels lost Escobar for the whole year.

That’s a big thing, especially when replaced by Moseley (and others after a while).

It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray

by Faux on Oct 7, 2008 6:40 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

But you're missing the point

that the injuries I mentioned are affecting the perception of how good these teams are today.

9=8

by JI on Oct 7, 2008 7:51 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I would say that that is probably a minor issue compared to the errors.

They “normally” (according to them) play good defense and get lots of hits in strings. That didn’t happen.

It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray

by Faux on Oct 7, 2008 8:10 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Schilling was not, and wasn't going to be, much better than his replacements. They knew that from the beginning.

It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray

by Faux on Oct 7, 2008 8:07 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Wait, Kotchman?

The road to hell is paved with Mariners.

by Taylor H on Oct 7, 2008 6:46 PM PDT   0 recs

Torii thinks he can still ruin our birthday. Too late.

The road to hell is paved with Mariners.

by Taylor H on Oct 7, 2008 6:47 PM PDT   0 recs

So we all know the Angels are their fans are idiots and instead of admitting the better team won, the are looking for excuses.

But it’s nice to see that at least some people know when they have been beat. From South Side Sox:

The Cheat:

We can admit now; now that the Sox are done for the season, now that the Rays have beaten them soundly 3-1. The Rays are a better team than the White Sox, or at least this version of the White Sox; the one without Q! and unable to properly set up their pitching rotation. In addition to their superior team speed, the one area where the Rays were clearly better than the Sox was in the back of their bullpen. And, at least for these 4 games, they pounded the ball out of the ballpark better than the Sox. The better team won.

by Goose on Oct 7, 2008 7:28 PM PDT   0 recs

From reading the archives, they also thought it would be a miracle to even smell the postseason.

If we got to the postseason this year, and lost in the first round, I would feel a lot of the same way.

It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray

by Faux on Oct 7, 2008 8:13 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Yeah.

In that same article he talks about how despite the first round exit, the season has to be considered a huge success.

by Goose on Oct 7, 2008 8:18 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

This year we all had pretty high expectations

Last year might have been a more adapt comparison

by Robert on Oct 7, 2008 8:29 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I wouldn't expect him to

I wouldn’t expect any player to. Not knowing better doesn’t make Lackey any less wrong.

Really, I just wanted to take this opportunity to point out how much better Boston is than Anaheim.

by Jeff on Oct 7, 2008 8:43 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I feel like the Angels did win.

After all, they provided us with this:

by Wilder. on Oct 7, 2008 8:44 PM PDT   0 recs

This makes me so effing happy.

I got to my parents house from out of town to watch the last half of the game. My dad kept rewinding it and we just kept laughing.

by GhettoBear04 on Oct 7, 2008 9:43 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Ah Sweet Victory.

BOOYA! You got Slurved!

by Slurvey on Oct 7, 2008 9:54 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I want to get up and dance.

The road to hell is paved with Mariners.

by Taylor H on Oct 8, 2008 6:44 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Exactly.

The road to hell is paved with Mariners.

by Taylor H on Oct 8, 2008 6:44 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Post game heat of the moment comments are funny.

Hasn’t everyone said some crazy thing in the heat of the moment?

You’re hot, sweating, completely exhuasted. You’ve got tears in your eyes because you can’t believe what just happened. Then, you say something because you feel you have to say something, anything, to make sense of it all.

Seriously, I would hate for some of my “heat of the moment” comments to make it to print.

by mark sobba on Oct 8, 2008 1:52 AM PDT   0 recs

...

…that doesn’t sound very appropriate at all.

David Ortiz > God

by brick Royl on Oct 8, 2008 6:39 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I'm not blaming Lackey or Hunter for what they said

I’m just using their quotes as a jumping off point because

Really, I just wanted to take this opportunity to point out how much better Boston is than Anaheim.

by Jeff on Oct 8, 2008 9:23 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I love reading about how overrated the Angels are

and how dumb their players are. If all you did on this site for the next year was post articles demonstrating that fact, I would probably still read it every day.

by Schaefer on Oct 8, 2008 8:03 AM PDT   0 recs

Not sure about that

Not that you can ever really expect a losing team’s players to come right out and say “holy crap those guys are way better than us,”

I think at least two White Sox players said as much when asked what happened in their series – not in those exact words, but “we got beat by the better team” was a pretty common refrain in that clubhouse after Monday night.

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Oct 8, 2008 8:09 AM PDT   0 recs

One of my favorite parts of this whole ALDS (aside from the gifs and LAA losing)

is the fact that HH is nowhere in the SBN coverage. They have the AN game threads and series wrapup, and nothing from Rev. Every other team has their own blog in the posts.

It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray

by Faux on Oct 8, 2008 8:14 AM PDT   0 recs

Delusional?

The Red Sox were 22-16 vs the West. The Angels were the Angels were 30-16 vs the East… including 8-1 vs Red Sox. Yes, the Red Sox won when it mattered most, but the Angels would fair just fine in the AL East…

Glad some of you got a chuckle out of the Angels loss in the ALDS… You know what’s really funny? The M’s could have had Joe Maddon as their manager a few years back, but passed on him. Now, that’s hilarious.

by BBSteve on Oct 8, 2008 1:24 PM PDT   0 recs

But
By Pythagorean W/L record, the Red Sox were eight wins better than the Angels.

By second order W/L record, which is based on equivalent runs and equivalent runs allowed, the Red Sox were 17 wins better than the Angels.

By third order W/L record, which is based on adjusted EqR and adjusted EqR against, the Red Sox were 18 wins better than the Angels.

by Jeff on Oct 8, 2008 1:45 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Fact is...

The Angels didn’t play in the AL East… so it’s all speculation. Statistically speaking you can make an argument they weren’t better, but the reality is they handled their business pretty well vs AL East.

In any case – it really doesn’t matter. The Angels are done in 08. A great 100 win season when pfffffft. I know M fans can relate to a great regular season ending abruptly in the play-offs.

Thanks for the warm welcome. You’d think my name was Bavasi…

by BBSteve on Oct 8, 2008 1:58 PM PDT   0 recs

Apologies

we’ve just had a bad history with HH people coming over here and trolling, and if you’re not one of them I’m sorry.

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Oct 8, 2008 2:03 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

We cannot relate regrettably

As the Mariners robbed us all of the ability to feel anything quite some time ago.

by Sec 108 on Oct 8, 2008 2:04 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

They did well against the East, but their true talent - based on everyone's collective performance - didn't measure up

I don’t expect members of a 100-win team to readily concede that their opponent was better, but Boston’s really good. All I wanted to do was point out the significant disparity between the two teams.

by Jeff on Oct 8, 2008 2:06 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

No Worries

BTW… my favorite Spring Training hang out is Peoria…

by BBSteve on Oct 8, 2008 2:05 PM PDT   0 recs

Just for fun use the "reply" link next time

it makes following the threads a whole lot easier.

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Oct 8, 2008 2:06 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Gotcha.

Thanks for the tip.

by BBSteve on Oct 8, 2008 2:07 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

No worries.

We’re pedantic but not petty.

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Oct 8, 2008 2:07 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

HH?

I don’t even know what that is.

by BBSteve on Oct 8, 2008 2:06 PM PDT   0 recs

HH = Halos Heaven = Angels blog on the network

In the future, please use the “reply” button when responding to a comment. It makes things a lot more readable. Thanks.

by Jeff on Oct 8, 2008 2:06 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Thanks again

I’ve heard of HH… I frequent a different message board, which I won’t mention out of respect to this forum.

by BBSteve on Oct 8, 2008 2:08 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

The SBN blog covering the Angels.

The less you know the better.

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Oct 8, 2008 2:07 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Good.

Their community consists of a bunch of morons and their leader, while he may not be an idiot, doesn’t provide evaluative content to draw you in to read his blog anyways.

by Double06 on Oct 8, 2008 5:23 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Amusing

I thought it was rather boring… just the first things that popped into my head.

by BBSteve on Oct 8, 2008 2:31 PM PDT   0 recs

Did I use the wrong button again?

If I did… my apologies… We’re slow to learn new things… it’s like asking Vladdy to take a pitch.

by BBSteve on Oct 8, 2008 2:32 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

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