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Today's Fun Fact

Andy Sonnanstine, 2008: 121 tRA+
Johan Santana, 2008: 120 tRA+

True talent? Of course not, that's silly. Andy Sonnanstine is not as good of a player as Johan Santana. But for the duration of 2008, he pitched like he is. ERA be damned.

While Sonnanstine commands a fair bit of attention, much of it is due to the rare genetic disorder that causes him to age at a rate three times that of a normal adult. He most certainly doesn't get enough attention for his pitching. Granted, it would've been easy to miss Sonnanstine a year ago, since he was a 13th-round draft pick pitching for a small market bottom-feeder in front of a terrible defense, but he was a good player then and he's even better now. Yet people simply haven't noticed. For all the talk from every corner about the Cinderella Rays, Andy Sonnanstine has been overlooked by just about everybody. Even by his own team's fans.

He's good. Possibly really good, in fact, depending on your scale. He's not good in a sexy, powerful way; he's good in a Kevin Slowey way, or perhaps more appropriately, a Jeff-Weaver-in-the-middle-third-of-2007 way. With Sonnanstine, it's not about the fastball. It's not about heat. It's about pinpoint command, pitch mixing, and Weaver brother arm action. And just because his style isn't classically handsome doesn't make it any less effective. Johan wasn't the only big name he outpitched.

~Average groundballs + ~average missed bats + vicious routine assaults of the strike zone = one heck of a starter. I just wonder when people are going to see that. If ever. He and Jered Weaver aren't really all that different, but Weaver gets all the attention because he was a high pick who's been talked about for years. Sonnanstine's no worse (and arguably better), but since he came out of nowhere, he's still a nobody, and he's probably going to remain a nobody until he does something other than simply pitch well for peanuts. Which isn't really fair. Or at least it wouldn't really be fair if there were any indication that Sonnanstine gave a shit either way.

Andy Sonnanstine isn't my favorite pitcher in the league, but he's up there on the list. I like a guy who isn't blessed with great stuff, because it's the guys who survive with mediocre fastballs who you know have taken the time to figure out how to succeed. Andy Sonnanstine has figured out how to succeed. Now it's just up to the world to notice.

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Well Jered's platoon isn't so bad because he has a better change than Jeff ever developed

Sonnanstine doesn’t throw a change very often, which is troublesome, but he does have a cutter that’s worked well enough against lefties for two years, plus he mixes pitches against them like a motherfucker. I think he should be able to avoid Jeff’s fatal flaw, even if certain lefty-heavy lineups are able to expose him down the road.

by Jeff on Oct 7, 2008 12:59 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I've defended Sonnanstine dating back to last year.

He warms up to Lupe Fiasco’s Superstar and he’s awesome at pitching. So awesome.

by R.J. Anderson on Oct 7, 2008 7:32 AM PDT   0 recs

Shut up shut up shut up

"I just wonder when people are going to see that. If ever. "

It would really, really help the M’s rebuilding process if fewer teams/people understood this.

I’m still a little bit surprised that he misses so many bats; I know he did in A-AA, but hell, Travis Blackley K’d more (at a younger age). He’d still be a pretty nice 4th starter with fewer K’s.

I understand why scouts always doubted him, but it’s still interesting to see how far down Rays’ prospect lists he was through ‘05/’06. Pitchers ahead of him included Kazmir (duh), but also Jeff Niemann, James Houser, Chad Orvella, Seth McClung, Jason Hammel and more.

by marc w on Oct 7, 2008 8:42 AM PDT   0 recs

So, I think I get it...

Sonnanstine is your George Sherrill.

This signature space for rent.

by PositivePaul on Oct 7, 2008 9:00 AM PDT   0 recs

genetic disorder?
While Sonnanstine commands a fair bit of attention, much of it is due to the rare genetic disorder that causes him to age at a rate three times that of a normal adult.

Are you thinking of Baldelli? I never heard this about Sonnanstine, and at least a brief google didn’t turn up anything.

and boom goes the dynamite.

by Mean Dean on Oct 7, 2008 9:45 AM PDT   0 recs

THANKYOUTHANKYOUTHANKYOU

For giving some credit towards my favorite Rays player. Very underrated.

by Slica on Oct 7, 2008 11:21 AM PDT   0 recs

Andy Sonnanstine

Thanks to those of you who do see Andy Sonnanstine as a good player! I think the whiners just do not appreciate intellignece, dedication, and superior control of the mental “stuff” it takes to play HIS game! Not that many can claim to have blown away BOSTON and played such a cool, calm, and collected 5-ish innings last night——to land that most important “W” thus far!!!!
And to the one who thinks he isn’t “sexy,” you have no clue how sexy the smart, silent type really IS!
OH—-and those stats pictures were taken a long time ago, folks…..most of the players do not look like those photos…..they are much hotter!!!
GO RAYS!!!!!
Proud to wear the #21 on my Rays shirt!!!

by the duchess on Oct 7, 2008 4:11 PM PDT   0 recs

He's no Edwin Jackson

that should just shoot your sarcasm meter to hell :)

by Jason Collette on Oct 7, 2008 5:52 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

i don't think anyone would disagree that Sonny is no Edwin Jackson

it’s just that 80% of the fans think that’s a knock against Sonny instead of EJax.

Beyond the Boxscore // Calling BJ Upton lazy is lazy.

by Sky Kalkman on Oct 8, 2008 7:21 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

One thing...

While tRA is great and all, he’s always had a higher Iso/BABIP than other pitchers, as when he gets hit, he tends to have balls hit fairly hard off of him. I’m inclined to believe that he’s just one of those high BABIP (although his BABIP was close to .300 this year, it was with a defense behind him that led to low BABIPs for most of the rest of the pitchers on the staff) / high Iso pitchers that defense-independent measures are always going to slightly overrate. My theory has been that, in a nutshell, everyone can catch up with his stuff, so his BABIP ends up a bit higher because he doesn’t necessarily dominate the crappy hitters the way some pitchers with better velocity do, and thus he doesn’t get as many mistake swings (many of which lead to weakly hit grounders, etc.). To top it off, he allows a lot of balls in play, simply because he pounds the zone. I have no idea whether his BABIP is higher off of fastballs than his other pitches, but I suspect that it is. I thought I remembered there being a site that shows that kind of information, but honestly, I can’t remember where it is.

Vogt early, Vogt often.

by Brickhaus on Oct 8, 2008 6:57 AM PDT   0 recs

Oh, and FWIW

I like Sonnanstine a lot – not trying to knock him down. I was one of those who ‘overranked’ him when he was in the minors, and I hope he ends up with the fifth spot in the rotation next year rather than Ed Jackson (can I call him Ed anymore, wins he actually led the team in ’win’s this year?). I just think he does have some flaws that some of the more advanced metrics don’t pick up that well due to the somewhat faulty assumption that all players with certain tendencies will have the same BIP distribution if they have the same defense behind them.

Vogt early, Vogt often.

by Brickhaus on Oct 8, 2008 7:02 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

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