10/6: Rays vs. White Sox, Game 4
by Jeff Sullivan on Oct 6, 2008 1:22 PM PDT
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What's this series at, is this an elimination game for the Sox?
I'm back to liking midgets too much.
Sox have won four "win or go home" games in a row, for the record.
I go to law school. Therefore, I have no life.
by andrewgolfsalot on Oct 6, 2008 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions
TBS is dissing the 'stine.
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
He is a significantly better pitcher than Gavin Floyd
by Jeff Sullivan on Oct 6, 2008 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions
TBS is significantly dumber than you.
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
Buy this.
Better investment than the stock market. Plus, it’s cool.
I go to law school. Therefore, I have no life.
by andrewgolfsalot on Oct 6, 2008 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Picky.
I go to law school. Therefore, I have no life.
by andrewgolfsalot on Oct 6, 2008 2:11 PM PDT up reply actions
I only want autographed jerseys of players who mean something to me
like Daniel Alfredsson for example. Longoria is just neat.
by Jeff Sullivan on Oct 6, 2008 2:11 PM PDT up reply actions
YOU WOULD TRADE FELIX FOR SOMEONE NEAT
You disgust me
He would mean more to me as a Mariner stupid
by Jeff Sullivan on Oct 6, 2008 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Like I would quit blogging about the Mariners so I could blog about someone else
if I quit blogging it’s because I don’t want to blog anymore.
by Jeff Sullivan on Oct 6, 2008 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions
I can go on further
because I could never hope to match Robert’s ability to masquerade as your emotionally unstable girlfriend.
9=8
by JI on Oct 6, 2008 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions
And it's mine!
BrianL’s donation basically bought me happiness.
by Jeff Sullivan on Oct 6, 2008 2:48 PM PDT up reply actions
I shall request a Longoria jersey for my birthday
by Jeff Sullivan on Oct 6, 2008 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions
When's your birthday?
I go to law school. Therefore, I have no life.
by andrewgolfsalot on Oct 6, 2008 2:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Very very soon
Why yes, mother, I do know what you can buy me!
by Jeff Sullivan on Oct 6, 2008 2:51 PM PDT up reply actions
If I had a date here, I might actually play the role of mother.
In the strictest possible sense.
Also, I’d need a size.
I go to law school. Therefore, I have no life.
by andrewgolfsalot on Oct 6, 2008 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions
October 18th, M or L, and no I will not stop you for I am always open to receiving free things
by Jeff Sullivan on Oct 6, 2008 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions
I was going to make a paypal donation the other day.
This seems like a more tangible way to donate.
Let me know how I should do it.
I go to law school. Therefore, I have no life.
by andrewgolfsalot on Oct 6, 2008 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Actually I'd say a donation is probably easiest for everybody
God I’m shameless.
by Jeff Sullivan on Oct 6, 2008 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Searching eBay now to find the requisite donation.
I go to law school. Therefore, I have no life.
by andrewgolfsalot on Oct 6, 2008 2:57 PM PDT up reply actions
if I knew any good bars in San Diego I'd buy you a beer.
Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.
by pdb on Oct 6, 2008 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Why see there's a few just down on 30th St I may have mentioned before
by Jeff Sullivan on Oct 6, 2008 3:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Any money for gift cards to Jeff's favorite bar can be sent to me.
I’ll make sure he gets at least half of them.
it's his liver that worries me
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by pdb on Oct 6, 2008 3:08 PM PDT up reply actions
if you've announced it it's not stealing
it’s more like reallocating.
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by pdb on Oct 6, 2008 3:09 PM PDT up reply actions
I will do it for a 35% commission
that’s 15% more for Jeff
It's only 60 miles
as long as you do it over two days it’s easy.
It’d be OK in one day if not for the beer at the 60 mile mark.
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by pdb on Oct 6, 2008 3:41 PM PDT up reply actions
True
it’s much nicer now. I can go outside before 10 PM
You want home or road?
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by andrewgolfsalot on Oct 6, 2008 2:58 PM PDT up reply actions
Well, specifically, in this case?
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by andrewgolfsalot on Oct 6, 2008 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Is this acceptable?
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by andrewgolfsalot on Oct 6, 2008 3:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Alright. Do you prefer the M or the L -- the 48 or the 50?
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by andrewgolfsalot on Oct 6, 2008 3:03 PM PDT up reply actions
petite, not so much.
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by pdb on Oct 6, 2008 3:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Being thought of as gay is pretty mucht he worst thing imaginable.
9=8
by JI on Oct 6, 2008 3:05 PM PDT up reply actions
not if you're comfortable with who you are
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by pdb on Oct 6, 2008 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions
You'll difuse the ironic
homophobe comments, but not the blatantly racist ones?
9=8
by JI on Oct 6, 2008 3:08 PM PDT up reply actions
it's hard to detect irony in writing sometimes
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by pdb on Oct 6, 2008 3:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Too tall for petite
I would compare myself to a cricket or praying mantis.
by Jeff Sullivan on Oct 6, 2008 3:05 PM PDT up reply actions
im'a call you Zorak then
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by pdb on Oct 6, 2008 3:06 PM PDT up reply actions
except that I probably won't
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by pdb on Oct 6, 2008 3:06 PM PDT up reply actions
i'm not much of a nickname guy to be honest
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by pdb on Oct 6, 2008 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Thanks to this purchase my Paypal has now switched to French Canadian
the French word for “details” is “details” with a thing over the e
by Jeff Sullivan on Oct 6, 2008 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions
As long as you don't get paid out in pelts I wouldn't worry about it.
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by pdb on Oct 6, 2008 3:11 PM PDT up reply actions
In time you shall come to cherish his foibles
by Jeff Sullivan on Oct 6, 2008 2:48 PM PDT up reply actions
I wouldn't go that far but shootouts are the pinnacle of organized faggotry
by Jeff Sullivan on Oct 6, 2008 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions
Do they do them while oiled and wearing speedos?
9=8
by JI on Oct 6, 2008 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions
If they must do a shootout they need to make the OT a full period
and it should be no points for a OT loss
They should go untilt here's a winner
bunch of pussies.
9=8
by JI on Oct 6, 2008 3:01 PM PDT up reply actions
I'd like to once again thank my buddy for losing our wager
and buying me a Longo jersey as well as giving me $500.
I took $90 of that $500
and put it into Jeff’s paypal account.
I wanted to share some of my joy with you.
Besides, you were the one who tipped us all off to the Rays. Therefore, if anyone won any Rays related bets, you should donate a portion of your winnings to Jeff.
I could mail him some Outback Steakhouse leftovers
I guess.
That meal was all I got. I was foolish for not trying to get tiered goodies, depending on how far they got.
by Fez on Oct 6, 2008 2:19 PM PDT up reply actions
Tell him to fix his damn shoulder so he can hit more homers.
9=8
by JI on Oct 6, 2008 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions
I talked to a Rays employee and it's not even a definite he's going to get the surgery. I want it fixed. I need to talk to the man.
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Mexicans work hard. We live in Florida, if it weren't for them, there'd be no Orange Juice.
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I thought 2 was the spot that sees the most high leverage at bats.
9=8
by JI on Oct 6, 2008 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions
It doesn't matter anyway
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
It matters a little
Upton, Pena, Longoria 2,3,4 makes the most sense. You might as well take every edge you can get.
9=8
by JI on Oct 6, 2008 2:13 PM PDT up reply actions
You know what chicks dig?
The Longo Ball
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
It's your fault that you are never getting any new readers
Fogel is just a ringer.
9=8
by JI on Oct 6, 2008 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Looks like Art Alexakis.
It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray
GOOD GAME; GABE GROSS
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
So did Erik Hinske pee in Joe Maddon's cornflakes last SUnday morning or what?
Why doesn’t he play anymore?
9=8
More awful than Willy Aybar?
He has to come out of his slump sometime.
9=8
by JI on Oct 6, 2008 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions
.214/.296/.379 in the second half
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
I would have sworn I replied "Gold"
somewhere in this subthread
by seattlebruin on Oct 6, 2008 11:21 PM PDT up reply actions
We have like, 7-8. Not sure if Edwin is better.
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
Upside = Maybe his fastball will stop being perfectly straight?
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
Few = Many Truth = Lies War = Peace
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
I'm pretty sure you just said Edwin threw few walks
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
Slow down.
You don’t want to ruin that for “Full-time Tui” next year.
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FLOYD FACEOFF!!
According to statcorner, the only two Floyds in MLB
Technically not what he said
“I think of Baines as an AL DH first” or … something.
Maybe, in Reynolds’ mind, ’Gar is still a 3B first?
by Fez on Oct 6, 2008 2:31 PM PDT up reply actions
More like "Some people think of Edgar Martinez when they think of a DH, but I think of Harold Baines first."
J.K.L.
by Aaron Campeau on Oct 6, 2008 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Best explanation is they have the same first name so it's easy to remember
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But he played with Edgar for like six years!
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by Aaron Campeau on Oct 6, 2008 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions
When 'Gar played 3B, primarily
Maybe Harold just stopped paying attention to the Mariners when he left, and doesn’t know when Edgar made the switch from primarily 3B to DH?
by Fez on Oct 6, 2008 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions
He's a professional baseball analyst!
J.K.L.
by Aaron Campeau on Oct 6, 2008 2:39 PM PDT up reply actions
So is John Kruk!
And Steve Phillips! And Joe Morgan!
That doesn’t mean they KNOW anything!
by Fez on Oct 6, 2008 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions
"More like "Some people think of Edgar Martinez when they think of a DH, but I think of Harold Baines first.""
well, technically Harold WAS a DH first ….
by msb on Oct 6, 2008 4:06 PM PDT up reply actions
He's so much better than Edgar at having dark skin.
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I find it amusing that if not for the 1994 strike Harold Baines
would have probably reached the 3000 hit mark, and therefore probably reached the HOF.
9=8
by JI on Oct 6, 2008 2:35 PM PDT up reply actions
I find it amusing that, if not for the 1994 strike
The Expos likely would’ve made the playoffs and, potentially, saved baseball in Montreal.
by Fez on Oct 6, 2008 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions
For all you know they would have been bounced in the first round,
and the hoopla would have died down.
9=8
by JI on Oct 6, 2008 2:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Highly possible
But I like to dream of a world where the Expos remain in Montreal.
by Fez on Oct 6, 2008 2:47 PM PDT up reply actions
That commercial didn't make any sense, how can a cartoon baby connect to the real world?
YOU ARE BREAKING THE 4TH WALL
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
They've been to BoSox games on the show
You know that, right? They’ve done other things connecting them to the real world, but that’s the most relevant.
by Fez on Oct 6, 2008 2:39 PM PDT up reply actions
But he's talking to the audience.
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
I've heard rumor that they had him become openly gay in the new seasons. Has Family Guy really fallen that far?
The idea of a sexually confused infant is far funnier.
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Which is funny because they almost did that idea before the were canceld
but rejected it for this very reason.
9=8
by JI on Oct 6, 2008 2:39 PM PDT up reply actions
You're going to get banned Roosevelt style. Rough Riders!
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Griffey is bad at hitting homers
he’s played in two bandboxes this year and has done jack shit. He’s Dave Hansen at this point. STFU
9=8
AKi wants to be better than Ichiro. :o
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
That was such a lazy swing.
If he tried harder he would have helped his team more by hitting it 50 more feet.
He's saving it for later. You don't want to use all of your distance in one at bat.
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It was the pinicle of lazyness
he didn’t want to have run hard to first.
9=8
by JI on Oct 6, 2008 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions
I love him so, so, so, so, so Much.
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The gift of wearing #2
/sarcasm
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
AJ cannot throw anyone out.
And I looked at the weather earlier today and it wasn’t supposed to rain. But you know the grounds crew soaked the field.
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I keep wondering when somebody will question the benefit of that thing
I struggled last night for a reason why they keep showing it. I couldn’t find one.
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by pdb on Oct 6, 2008 3:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Probably for the sme reason Fox had the pastel puck.
9=8
by JI on Oct 6, 2008 3:12 PM PDT up reply actions
But at least that seemed to serve some sort of purpose
it failed at it, but the intent was clear – make it easier to see the puck. This, I have no idea about.
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by pdb on Oct 6, 2008 3:13 PM PDT up reply actions
Who else were you supposed to know whether a guy is far fromt he base or not?
9=8
by JI on Oct 6, 2008 3:15 PM PDT up reply actions
An excellent point
and I have at times struggled with the question “how far is the edge of the infield grass from the side of first base?”, and now I know the answer to that age-old query. NINE FEET. Thank you TBS. Or TNT. Whoever.
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by pdb on Oct 6, 2008 3:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, I actually like TBS and TNT
they’ve done a pretty good job the last couple years. I will never get used to Tony Gwynn’s voice, but that’s not their fault.
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by pdb on Oct 6, 2008 3:20 PM PDT up reply actions
I saw a glimpse of the promised land last night during the first inning of the Angels / Sox
and it was glorious
9=8
by JI on Oct 6, 2008 3:23 PM PDT up reply actions
They do, at least in Portland
They’re on 755 and 754 in Portland. Are you sure Comcast in Seattle doesn’t offer them?
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by pdb on Oct 6, 2008 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Yup, been up and down the channel list with no luck
Even Googled it, with same results
I'm more like I am now than I've ever been.
That's annoying.
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by pdb on Oct 6, 2008 3:30 PM PDT up reply actions
It's like the playoff dirt cam and bunting.
I was at Shea for the Felix-Slam!
Personal M's record: 5-4.
by EnglishMariner on Oct 6, 2008 3:13 PM PDT up reply actions
Actually, his 7,590.
His planet’s people have much longer lifespans.
J.K.L.
by Aaron Campeau on Oct 6, 2008 3:19 PM PDT up reply actions
So that explains the wrinkles.
In those 7,500 years, his life is a failure if he hasn’t yet learned how to make the greatest Cuban sandwich this side of the asteroid belt.
Bj yawns while catching that
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
Jered Weaver is a future ace.
Andy Sonnanstine will never be better than a #4.
Jered Weaver has better stuff.
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It means a lot actually.
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I would take Sonnanstine seven days a week and twice on Sundays
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by Aaron Campeau on Oct 6, 2008 3:29 PM PDT up reply actions
You're insane. Weaver does just about everything better than Sonnanstine.
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Here.
They were the exact same pitcher.
I’ll take Weaver on the whole.
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Not by much, if at all.
Weaver’s stuff is real unspectacular.
Weaver throws about 4mph harder. That's significant.
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Daniel Cabrera throws way harder than Greg Maddux.
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by Aaron Campeau on Oct 6, 2008 3:30 PM PDT up reply actions
So. If he threw as hard as Maddux, he wouldn't have made it out of Junior college. Instead he got to the show. Stuff matters. It doesn't make you good, but matters a lot.
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Okay, but very few guys have Sonnanstine's command.
Which is why it matters a lot.
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In this case it doesn't matter because Sonnanstine's command makes him a better pitcher than Weaver.
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by Aaron Campeau on Oct 6, 2008 3:35 PM PDT up reply actions
And his stuff isn't as good. Which makes it even again. Their numbers were just about identical.
Same amount of homeruns, Sonny walked less, Weaver gave up fewer hits, Weaver K’d a lot more.
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You know, I actually agree with Tyler's main point here
that stuff matters a lot because it automatically puts a pitcher’s potential much higher.
However, Sonnanstine is way better. He throws strikes. 121 tRA+ this year.
It's also straight as an arrow.
Sonnanstine can do and does more with his fastball, and he’s better at relying on his offspeed stuff. And Weaver doesn’t throw hard enough that he can rely on his fastball as much as he does.
Yet he gets better results than Sonnanstine.
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According to what?
Sonnanstine: 121 tRA+
Weaver: 111
Sonnanstine walks half as many batters as Weaver, gets more ground balls and allows more line drives. Weaver strikes more men out.
Read his signature. "Tools Whore"
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
Listen, I'll listen to stats. You guys don't like results based analysis and I get that. But I'm looking at peripherals too. Just not the ones you guys like.
LD% means nothing to me. Until we have hit f/x telling us how hard pitches are hit, LD can mean something different for every person. And all line drives aren’t created equal.
Listen, I like Sonnanstine, I’ve really come around. A lot (I hated him), but Weaver is every bit as good.
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What peripherals are you looking at?
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by Aaron Campeau on Oct 6, 2008 3:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Homeruns, strike-outs, walks, hits (I understand your aversion to looking at hits)
but he’s consistently shown that he’s going to give up almost 10 hits per 9 innings pitched. 54 starts in his career is a pretty large sample size. He can get away with it because he walks absolutely no one, but it’s a consistent trend.
Looking at the numbers, Weaver gives up just over a hit. Walks more, but K’s more too. I don’t know, It’s close, I’ll admit that. I’d take Weaver. Looking at it more closely, I don’t think it’s as clear cut as either of us have made it out to be. I think they’re virtually the same pitcher.
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Sonnanstine gets more ground balls, and that's huge think for me.
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by Aaron Campeau on Oct 6, 2008 4:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Fly ball pitchers who don't give up home runs don't exist
Groundballs are much much better to generate.
by Jeff Sullivan on Oct 6, 2008 4:03 PM PDT up reply actions
But being a flyball pitcher and not giving up a lot of home runs is being lucky.
J.K.L.
by Aaron Campeau on Oct 6, 2008 4:03 PM PDT up reply actions
And grounders don't turn into doubles or triples too often either.
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by Aaron Campeau on Oct 6, 2008 4:04 PM PDT up reply actions
I agree. But Sonnanstine isn't an extreme GB pitcher.
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But Weaver is an extreme flyball pitcher, so the difference is still very real.
32% this year is among the very worst in the league.
Can you be lucky for almost 600 innings in a row and it still be luck?
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The Trop more of a pitcher park than LAA. And homeruns are similar.
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The Trop is ~HR neutral
Anaheim trims them by 13%.
by Jeff Sullivan on Oct 6, 2008 4:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Well no one's stopping you from thinking that.
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Giving up more hits doesn't matter so much if you're a ground ball pitcher.
Sonnanstine gets more grounders. For the most part, grounders don’t turn in to doubles or triples or inside the park homers. More hits doesn’t really matter…ground ball tendencies are good, even if they lead you to give up more hits than a flyball pitcher.
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But his fly balls are as costly as Weavers.
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What I mean is, he gives up as many homeruns. I'd have to look at SLG% against, but I'd imagine they're similar.
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Sonnanstine's SLG% against this season was .446. Weaver's was .416.
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The fact that his and Weaver's HR were the same this year doesn't mean that's what it should be.
Someone pitched above or below their true talent level, perhaps. Or got unlucky.
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But it's been consistent throughout his career.
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You said that sample size was 600 IP, right?
Lots of weird fluky things can happen in 600 innings.
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Yes, but that's still a big sample size.
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It's a big sample size according to what?
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Is it more likely
that Jered Weaver is one of the most unique pitchers in the history of baseball, or that he’s been the benefactor of good luck/a home park that suppresses HRs?
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by Aaron Campeau on Oct 6, 2008 4:23 PM PDT up reply actions
You act like I'm calling him an ace. I'm saying he's better than Sonnanstine.
And I’m not saying it’s by a mile.
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But all the evidence points to him not being better than Sonnanstine
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Except their careers to this point.
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Based on what?
You’re using results-based analysis. Look at the process.
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I've looked at the process. I've looked at the detailed numbers. He's not such an exteme GB pitcher that it makes up for the difference in K's. Yes he doesn't walk anyone, which is awesome, because if he did, he'd suck.
He gets hit had from time to time. He’s hittable if he’s off just a little. And sometimes he’s off. He’s got to be perfect to be effective. His stuff just isn’t good enough not to be. You can disagree and I’m fine with that, but that’s where we are. And how I feel about the situation.
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He could be a right handed David Wells
that’s a pretty fucking valuable pitcher.
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by JI on Oct 6, 2008 4:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Weaver is an extreme flyball pitcher, so yes, it does make up the difference in strikeouts.
And that difference is further diminished in the difference in walks and types of balls in play.
Not really.
I’m just saying that I don’t think Weaver is likely to enjoy the results he has enjoyed to this point in his career.
J.K.L.
by Aaron Campeau on Oct 6, 2008 4:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Yes, through his 461 inning career (not 600).
And having a lower SLG despite more flyballs and line drives is luck, even if Sonnanstine allows a few less balls in play because those balls in play are less valuable to a hitter than Weaver’s.
Fair enough. I want to know what I was looking at.
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It's pretty much out of the pitcher's control whether a batted ball goes for a hit or not.
Within reason, of course.
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Also, tRA comparison
Weaver: 4.25
Sonnanstine: 3.91
Close, but I’d take Sonny
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Last year Sonnanstine started in front of one of the worst defenses I've ever seen
by Jeff Sullivan on Oct 6, 2008 4:02 PM PDT up reply actions
So did last years Kazmir and Shields and they were good last year.
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Because they were very, very good.
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
Oh dang
At least we don't have Zito's contract.
E-Jax would give up that HR SOOOO much faster
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
That's a wise strategy
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by pdb on Oct 6, 2008 3:32 PM PDT up reply actions
I remember ranting to my gym teacher the morning after we traded him
by Jeff Sullivan on Oct 6, 2008 3:41 PM PDT up reply actions
to which your gym teacher said
something about running laps, I presume.
Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.
by pdb on Oct 6, 2008 3:42 PM PDT up reply actions
I bet him that the Giants would win more games than the Padres in 1999 and came away with an autographed picture of A-Rod and Griffey in Mariner uniforms
I hate that picture
by Jeff Sullivan on Oct 6, 2008 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions
I ranted to my math teacher because my math teacher was awesome
we were pissed he killed a trade for Damon.
9=8
by JI on Oct 6, 2008 4:23 PM PDT up reply actions
You guys make me feel like I'm attending a wake.
We choose to remember him in his youth, wreathed in vitality, like a ray of sunshine in the outfield.
"Sorry I hit you in the helmet Hank, I meant to hit you in the neck." Stan Williams to Hank Aaron.
His entire career at this point is basically a living funeral
by Jeff Sullivan on Oct 6, 2008 3:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Nobody gets out alive! Sorry dude, raining cats and dogs. Moody damn day.
But the guy eating the M & M’s and keeping the blue ones made me laugh my ass off.
"Sorry I hit you in the helmet Hank, I meant to hit you in the neck." Stan Williams to Hank Aaron.
Just remember - He wants a 3 year deal
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
"Rest of his teammates were more lazy today."
BJ!
At least we don't have Zito's contract.
Alexei Ramirez is freaking ugly
At least we don't have Zito's contract.
33% of the people living in my house are that stupid.
I’d consider that low compared to the general population.
Yesterday's Pants
A blog-thingy about the Mariners and stuff.
Life was a tad more complicated when I looked at strikeouts, walks, and homers
but also gave much credence to hit totals.
9=8
by JI on Oct 6, 2008 4:24 PM PDT up reply actions
The Rays can succeed because they look old and trick the fates into believing they have experience.
J.K.L.
by Aaron Campeau on Oct 6, 2008 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
they've been through simulated wars
Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.
by pdb on Oct 6, 2008 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions
"Trick the fates"
implies that they made up the wars they’ve been through.
Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.
by pdb on Oct 6, 2008 3:54 PM PDT up reply actions
We all fought in the war of 1812
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
If you sing that to the tune of Yellow Submarine it's pretty catchy.
Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.
by pdb on Oct 6, 2008 3:57 PM PDT up reply actions
I just want Fahey to eat seed from my palm
by Jeff Sullivan on Oct 6, 2008 3:54 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
And when that happens the rest of us want pictures.
Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.
by pdb on Oct 6, 2008 3:55 PM PDT up reply actions
this is disturbingly true.
Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.
by pdb on Oct 6, 2008 4:06 PM PDT up reply actions
If I were the Mariners' GM I know the first move I'd make
by Jeff Sullivan on Oct 6, 2008 4:06 PM PDT up reply actions
There's no way he still has a job based on talent.
J.K.L.
by Aaron Campeau on Oct 6, 2008 4:08 PM PDT up reply actions
I think that was the title of Earl Weaver's last book
Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.
by pdb on Oct 6, 2008 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Someone needs to put together and Adorable-Star team.
J.K.L.
by Aaron Campeau on Oct 6, 2008 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions
with a name like Clayton he'd be a shoo-in
Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.
by pdb on Oct 6, 2008 4:11 PM PDT up reply actions
If you've got hate in your heart let it out, white power.
If you don’t like Will & Grace, don’t mean there’s something wrong with you, it means there’s something wrong with Will…he’s a homosexual.
Tools Whore
Sign Bonds!
The first move I made
was to make that picture my desktop wallpaper. It’s a thing of disturbing beauty.
Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.
by pdb on Oct 6, 2008 4:08 PM PDT up reply actions
in san diego orioles look a lot like parakeets.
Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.
by pdb on Oct 6, 2008 4:02 PM PDT up reply actions
This kid looks like Jeff Gordon.
Poor ugly fucker.
Screw you, Mariners. I'm back in football's loving arms.
Do it at the petting zoo with the other oriole's
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
I want him to be the new Willie
TRADE TRADE TRADE
9=8
by JI on Oct 6, 2008 4:25 PM PDT up reply actions
It's almost like there are different time zones.
J.K.L.
by Aaron Campeau on Oct 6, 2008 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions
There's something besides EST?
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
Yeah, it's called the rest of the world.
Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.
by pdb on Oct 6, 2008 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Yup. They've all got time zones too.
China, oddly for a country its size, only has one, but still.
Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.
by pdb on Oct 6, 2008 4:14 PM PDT up reply actions
How many does Russia have? 11
It’s rediculous and not even funny.
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
The Olympics taught me many things about China
Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.
by pdb on Oct 6, 2008 4:16 PM PDT up reply actions
At least one of them is biased.
Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.
by pdb on Oct 6, 2008 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions
leave now or stay at work till it's over.
Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.
by pdb on Oct 6, 2008 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions
It's not on KJR today. Other Seattle station?
(I know Jeff is in San Diego – just curious for Seattle)
Screw you, Mariners. I'm back in football's loving arms.
850. Good luck getting reception.
J.K.L.
by Aaron Campeau on Oct 6, 2008 4:31 PM PDT up reply actions
I had problems getting KJR in when I wanted to listen to Sunday Night Baseball
on the drive back to Bellingham.
9=8
by JI on Oct 6, 2008 4:33 PM PDT up reply actions
I drove to Tacoma and back yesterday.
Got reception around Federal Way on the way down. Never lost it on the way back. It was kind of weird.
J.K.L.
by Aaron Campeau on Oct 6, 2008 4:35 PM PDT up reply actions
My Awesome '96 Ford Contour shit mobile will pick it up.
Screw you, Mariners. I'm back in football's loving arms.
My cat is still limping from sleeping in the birdbath when it tipped over. :(
Better today though. Nothing broken thank god.
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
Nothing's broken, except the birdbath.
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
I don't care if he's good now, I can't shake the feeling that the offensive team will score runs when Thornton pitches.
Yesterday's Pants
A blog-thingy about the Mariners and stuff.
Buntington Bear thinks this is excessive.
by R.J. Anderson on Oct 6, 2008 4:20 PM PDT up reply actions
It's the Matt Thornton death spiral. I'm trying to jinx him.
J.K.L.
by Aaron Campeau on Oct 6, 2008 4:20 PM PDT up reply actions
Whoopsies.
And it was really fucking annoying.
J.K.L.
by Aaron Campeau on Oct 6, 2008 4:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Whoever tried to tell me Reynolds was good was an asshat.
9=8
by JI on Oct 6, 2008 4:27 PM PDT up reply actions
It was all about relative worth.
When you stood him up next to the other pudnuckers on ESPN, he seemed like a friggin’ Nobel Prize winner.
B.J. Upton's new nickname = "Laggard McShambleslow"
Did they commercial the west coast?
Tools Whore
Sign Bonds!
TRADE LONGORIA
He’s unclutch and his contract is a long-term albatross.
B.J. Upton's new nickname = "Laggard McShambleslow"
His laziness has been on display for all to see today.
Hitting those drag-ass homeruns because he doesn’t want to actually exert himself on the basepaths.
B.J. Upton's new nickname = "Laggard McShambleslow"
A small part of me was hoping the Rays would lose a crucial game 5
as Matt Thornton shut them down just for the hilarity.
9=8
Why would the scoreboard implore White Sox fans to wave their rally towels while the White Sox couldn't possibly rally by circumstance of playing defense?
Yesterday's Pants
A blog-thingy about the Mariners and stuff.
Yeah, but you can't rally when you're on defense.
Yesterday's Pants
A blog-thingy about the Mariners and stuff.
Until the sky fills with blood and he becomes a Mariner.
Screw you, Mariners. I'm back in football's loving arms.
Harold Reynlods: still afraid of the ball.
I go to law school. Therefore, I have no life.
You don't have enough power.
Tools Whore
Sign Bonds!
I can't got o DRB without fear of my eyes being raped.
Makes for bad reading.
9=8
by JI on Oct 6, 2008 5:15 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm glad that one .jpg disappeared before all hell broke loose.
J.K.L.
by Aaron Campeau on Oct 6, 2008 5:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Longo has fucked all of those women.
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
You should turn comments off right as the last out is recorded.
J.K.L.
by Aaron Campeau on Oct 6, 2008 5:15 PM PDT up reply actions
OH NO SHIT'S GONNA BREAK BAD IF JEFF DOESN'T GET HOME IN TIME
B.J. Upton's new nickname = "Laggard McShambleslow"
We need a streaker in Chicago. A successful one.
I go to law school. Therefore, I have no life.
Jr. Fitting.
I go to law school. Therefore, I have no life.
Grant Balfour needs to K Griffey for the last out and then do the finger pointing thing.
It would be so poetically bittersweet for me.
B.J. Upton's new nickname = "Laggard McShambleslow"
We get our wish!
I go to law school. Therefore, I have no life.
RJ, this is by far the most hilarious thing you've ever done on DRB.
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
Does anyone else think that LDS wins are hilariously celebrated?
Seems to me the only time you should go batshit crazy is if you come back from 0-2
9=8
Yeah. Especially when you've never been there before. Next year, it won't be as crazy.
Now, go Angels! I want another 12 inning game. I want the Soxs, but I want them after a 5 game series with a depleted rotation and pen.
Tools Whore
Sign Bonds!
I don't care how it ends as long as it involves K-Rod giving up a walk off HR.
J.K.L.
by Aaron Campeau on Oct 6, 2008 5:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Which means I want it to end in a very specific fashion.
J.K.L.
by Aaron Campeau on Oct 6, 2008 5:32 PM PDT up reply actions
hahaha. Game 5 walk-off would be ideal for me. In the 14th.
Tools Whore
Sign Bonds!
You don't ruin my dreams with your logic!
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Sign Bonds!
When the moment finally came it was, surprisingly, every bit as awesome as I had hoped.
Listening to the radio, Cliff Floyd is one happy dude to be winning the ALDS in front of his family and friends on the South Side.
B.J. Upton's new nickname = "Laggard McShambleslow"
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