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The Most Underappreciated Player In Baseball

There are people out there who think that Jim Rice is worthy of being in the Hall of Fame. Lots of people, in fact. Lots of people who think that Rice's bat has earned him that honor, the honor of being enshrined as one of the greatest players in the history of the sport. It's a divisive argument, but it's a common and popular one, one that seems to come up in some way or another every single year.

Albert Pujols just wrapped up his eighth full year in the Major Leagues. His worst offensive season so far was better than Rice's best.

I didn't think I'd ever be in a position where I'd feel the need to write this about a guy with a career batting line of .334/.425/.624, but here I am, and I'm not kidding. Albert Pujols does not get anything close to as much love as he deserves. Don't get me wrong, people know that he's great - I think even the most casual fan understands that Pujols is the best player on his team. But what seems to pass unnoticed is just how great he really is. It's the level of greatness that strikes me as being almost universally underappreciated.

Albert Pujols is the perfect hitter. Not 1.000 perfect, but perfect in the sense that he is all strength and devoid of weakness. This season he was 14 runs better at the plate than any other hitter in the league. With a busted elbow. Last season he came in seventh despite fighting through an assortment of injuries. In 2006 he was nine runs better than second place. In 2005 he was a run behind first but ten runs above third. And so on and so forth. He has as good an eye as Todd Helton. He makes as much contact as Ichiro. He has as much power as Alex Rodriguez. He makes more contact on balls out of the zone than Jack Cust makes on balls in it. He's flawless. As an opposing pitcher, you can't draw up a plan to retire Albert Pujols. You can draw up a plan to pitch to Albert Pujols, but no matter how many different approaches people take when he's at the plate, the one point they all have in common is "close eyes and cross fingers." A high-leverage at bat against Pujols from which a pitcher escapes without developing symptoms of PTSD can only be considered a resouding success.

But that's not all. You see, it wouldn't be enough if Pujols were simply the best hitter on the planet. He's also the best defensive first baseman in baseball. By one reputable metric, between 2005-2007 he made 41 more plays than the next best defensive 1B. He's led first basemen in RZR two years in a row and three of the last five. UZR loves him. PMR loves him. In the field, Pujols looks to be a 10 < x < 15 run player, which gives him an almost unfathomable edge over less graceful sluggers like Ryan Howard and Prince Fielder. He might only have a moderately substantial lead over them with the bat, but once you factor in defense, you're talking about an overall difference of anywhere from five to eight wins. Five to eight wins! That's like the difference between 2008 Tim Lincecum and 2008 Brian Burres.

And to think that Ryan Howard is being talked about as a candidate for the MVP. This year, perhaps more than ever, anyone who doesn't list Pujols #1 on his MVP ballot deserves to be subjected to an experiment in which he has his conscience irreversibly swapped with a looping version of Brad Lidge's from October 2005. Brad Lidge understands. Oh, does Brad Lidge ever understand.

Albert Pujols is amazing. He is the sort of player who is so unbelievably terrific at everything that it's almost as if he's been genetically engineered. His reliable level of extraordinary production doesn't seem like it should be possible for a human to generate, and yet Pujols does it, and he does it every year, every day. The only thing more remarkable than his talent is the way that people, when you ask them for a list of the NL's best players, include Pujols' name almost as an afterthought. Like "oh yeah, and Pujols is in there too," as if it's no big deal that he's able to do what he does. As if people have simply come to expect it.

That's probably what it is, really. Why he's so underappreciated. People love talent, but more than that, they love a story. They notice a guy who comes out of nowhere. They notice a guy having a big bounceback season. They notice a guy putting up monster home runs and RBI. Pujols meets none of the criteria. He's just a guy doing the same thing he's always done, and while that 'same thing' is absolutely sensational, nothing bores the masses quite like consistency. So they stop caring. They stop caring and they turn their attention to something newer, something shinier. Something worse. And Pujols just keeps chugging along as one of the greatest players the game has ever seen.

Albert Pujols has played so consistently well that he's spoiled the world. I can think of no higher praise.

Star-divide

Note: obviously there's no way of measuring who is actually the most underappreciated player in baseball. There are several contenders for that title. Albert Pujols is one of them.

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So Pujols' defense at 1B is good enough that he would probably an above average 3B, correct?

I seem to remember hearing that he can’t play 3B because of injuries so I know it’s a moot point, but making twice as many plays as the second best guy in the league is just ridiculous.

J.K.L.

by acblue on Oct 3, 2008 12:16 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

He can't make the throws from 3B IIRC

What with the busted elbow and all.

by Matthew on Oct 3, 2008 12:22 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Put him at second.

That was an entertaining few innings. He looked like he was having a blast out there. I’d like to see more.

by Double06 on Oct 3, 2008 12:27 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

What they also look for
That’s probably what it is, really. Why he’s so underappreciated. People love talent, but more than that, they love a story. They notice a guy who comes out of nowhere. They notice a guy having a big bounceback season. They notice a guy putting up monster home runs and RBI.

An MVP candidate in the playoffs. Whether you agree with it or not, it is a factor.

by batura on Oct 3, 2008 1:04 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

As an opposing pitcher, you can’t draw up a plan to retire Albert

If he’s pressing you can get him to chase pitches low and away.

9=8

by JI on Oct 3, 2008 1:41 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

But other than yes, yes, yes

I’d always kept Pujols at arm’s length in the past because he was overrated and too easy to like (let’s face it, his defense as a left fielder was a negative— fuck Tino Martinez), in the early years of his career he wasn’t even the best player, and on occasion not even the best hitter, on his team— yet he garnered praise from the MSM like he was the best player in baseball. There was a certain centerfielder who (when he was healthy enough to take the field) was the superior player. It was annoying. Any misrepresentation of the truth is always going to bug me like that, and fair or not it made him harder to like. The whole media thing is stupid. They got bored of him after 2005 just when he began to take his game to an otherworldly level. It’s best to let go of petty things like that and enjoy the player for what he does. Here’s to you big guy, if your elbow ever explodes, may the season already be lost.

Jeff this entry is spot on, wonderful work. I don’t think people can appreciate truly how amazing he his unless the watch him field every day, and he sorely deserves that credit.

9=8

by JI on Oct 3, 2008 2:05 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Overall hitter, yes.

The road to hell is paved with Mariners.

by Taylor H on Oct 3, 2008 8:45 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I know, it's prudent for me to know what what hitters OBPs look like after you remove their IBBs

Take away his IBBs his OBP is still ~.470, and he has him beat in slugging by a pretty comfortable margin.

9=8

by JI on Oct 3, 2008 9:16 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I am trying to replicate this myself and it isn't happening

Bonds, 2003:

87 NIBB
10 HBP
65 1B
22 2B
1 3B
45 HR
550 PA
489 PA (excluding IBB)

That should equal a wOBA of .501. StatCorner’s calling it .456. Explain?

by Jeff Sullivan on Oct 3, 2008 9:37 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Found it

Seems like StatCorner is excluding IBB from the numerator, but not from the denominator (PA’s). That reduces Bonds’ wOBA rather significantly.

by Jeff Sullivan on Oct 3, 2008 9:46 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was trying to think how the hell

a .500/.800 guy could rate worse than a .400/.650 guys who hits into more DPs and plays in a friendlier ball park.

9=8

by JI on Oct 3, 2008 9:47 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, the equation didn't say to exclude them

and the NB attached seems ambiguous, so let me know what Tango says and I can update the formula if need be.

by Matthew on Oct 3, 2008 9:54 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'll let you know

but it seems silly to me to include them in only half of the equation. Seems like an unfair way to penalize people who scare the crap out of pitchers.

by Jeff Sullivan on Oct 3, 2008 9:58 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Also, you left out RBOE.

Of which I have 5, B-R has 3. So his wOBA comes out to .511

by Matthew on Oct 3, 2008 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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(0.72xNIBB + 0.75xHBP + 0.90×1B + 0.92xRBOE + 1.24×2B + 1.56×3B + 1.95xHR) / PA

by Matthew on Oct 3, 2008 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think that's a mistake.

I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.

by Llewdor on Oct 3, 2008 9:43 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not in it's intention

It would be nice if there was a way to give the hitter “partial credit” for an IBB when weighting their performance, but you’d have to take it on a situation by situation basis (does an 8 hitter really deserve credit for reaching base on a IBB if there are two outs and the pitcher is on deck)?

9=8

by JI on Oct 3, 2008 9:46 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

And I think for (n-1)/n cases, this is correct.

I have no idea what to do about Bonds because the sheer level of IBBs he drew is so far above anything we’d ever seen. These weren’t walks based on the situation where it’s been shown that IBBs generally are about half as valuable as uBBs because they are context-specific. These are walks because the pitcher might wet himself if forced to throw near the strike zone.

by Matthew on Oct 3, 2008 9:56 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

...or that the pitcher's manager is an imbecile

I remember seeing Bonds walked in many baffling situations, something like 2 out, no one on, Giants trailing by 2.

But yes, I do wish there were a way to give some credit for large quantities of fear IBBs.

9=8

by JI on Oct 3, 2008 10:12 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

How come?

I get that, for the most part, hitters earn IBBs because they are excellent, but why should we include them when discussing a player’s value? I mean, let’s say you have Batter A who has a .300/.400./500 career stat line. Let’s also say he drew, I dunno, 250 career intentional walks. Presumably he would have hit around .300/.400/.500 in those plate appearances had the pitcher faced him instead of working around him, and that wouldn’t change his value at all.

It’s important to keep IBBs in mind when you’re discussing RBI or counting stats or whatever, but when it comes to a rate stat like wOBA, I think they ought to be excluded.

by Jeff Sullivan on Oct 3, 2008 9:52 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hmmmm...

Pujols, 2003:

.359/.439/.667 with 187 OPS+

Edmonds, 2003:

.275/.385/.617 with 160 OPS+

Pujols was second in the majors that year in OPS+

The person who finished first? Barry Bonds with 231. Bonds also played in 130 games that year.

I don’t see how Pujols wasn’t a better hitter in 2003. Unless you’re referring to a different center fielder…

by brayden04 on Oct 3, 2008 7:22 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Intentional walks aren't as valuable as real walks

So Bonds value has to come down a but there.

by Matthew on Oct 3, 2008 9:07 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

2003 is the exception

Though Edmonds was having an insane .300/.400/.670 ish season before he was injured.

9=8

by JI on Oct 3, 2008 9:12 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

2001

Pujols: .329/.403/.610 157 OPS+
Edmonds: .304/.410/.564 149 OPS+

In 2002 they were essentially RH and LH versions of each other, nearly the same rate stats and OPS+ though Edmonds comes out ahead due to more walks and I would say that he was better defensively too. 2004 was another similar offensive season for both so again counting Defense Edmonds was better, 2005 though is the sad year .263/.385/.533 for Edmonds his lowest offensive season since joining the Cards and began his downfall. But even his not so great 2005 OPS+ of 137 matched his Angels high from 1996. I think if you want to talk about most under-rated player you have to look at Edmonds first. While Pujols deserves more media attention fans do acknowledge him as being great but I think Edmonds is the one people are starting to forget about.

by StLHugo on Oct 7, 2008 6:36 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

If I may

This is the most amazing homerun I have ever seen

I thought it was a single off the bat

9=8

by JI on Oct 3, 2008 2:15 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

was that this year, the second to last game of the season?

if it was, i was at that game. it was an amazing home run. also, the stadium got rick rolled, which was sad because i think it’s officially has jumped the shark now.

by mattybobo on Oct 7, 2008 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, now that you put it that way...

And we know how MVP voters think. They refer to counting stats, RBI and HRs and wins, and not much more than that. Expecting thoughtful logic from them is like expecting a paraplegic to run a 4.3 second 40.

by Gomez on Oct 3, 2008 8:30 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

What?

No way in hell. That man is beloved by the Eastern Seaboard. The problem is that he has Ryan “Baby Huey” Howard and Jimmy “I say things that make the Mets bullpen fall apart” Rollins on the same team.

But for every play of excellence, Utley also has the attempts to get hit by pitches in the strike zone. And he often succeeds and gets first base.

I would say the second most unappreciated player in baseball is Carlos Beltran.

"I got my pregnant wife (the Yankee fan) with me. Hoping my kid learns to kick her everytime the Mets score." -Schifftis-

by future on Oct 3, 2008 10:15 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Utley is a better hitter and plays otherworldly defense at a tougher position.

Beltran is indeed underrated, but Utley doesn’t get nearly the respect he deserves.

J.K.L.

by acblue on Oct 3, 2008 10:19 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think Beltran bugs people

because he is/was capable of more, but only had 1 MVP caliber season.

9=8

by JI on Oct 3, 2008 10:25 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

In a way

I think this is what also bugs voters with Pujols. Everything he does, the voters expect more. The fans expect more. I think it’s unfair.

"I got my pregnant wife (the Yankee fan) with me. Hoping my kid learns to kick her everytime the Mets score." -Schifftis-

by future on Oct 3, 2008 10:35 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes

And hit the ball off the ground for home runs.

And steal some more bases.

"I got my pregnant wife (the Yankee fan) with me. Hoping my kid learns to kick her everytime the Mets score." -Schifftis-

by future on Oct 3, 2008 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

"i'm not a power hitter...

i’m a linedrive hitter with power."
oh albert. we love you so much.

by mattybobo on Oct 7, 2008 2:01 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

He has changed his approach with the elbow injury

I would expect, if he ever does have a successful surgery, that the home runs would increase afterwards.

by soccerfreak on Oct 7, 2008 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Also worth noting:

Busch Stadium is a pretty strong pitcher’s park.

by mojowo11 on Oct 7, 2008 5:02 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Utley is a better hitter?

They have basically the same OPS+, Utley plays in his bandbox and Beltran plays in a pitcher’s park (we’ll see how Citi plays) .

Beltran plays by far the more important defensive position, and does it in the swirling winds of Shea Stadium (which rival Candlestick for difficulty.)

If Utley is so awesome, how did Beltran end up with more Win Shares? And almost identical WARP3 numbers? 10.6 Utley to 10.4 Beltran.

Admit it, you’re anti-Beltran because he slid through Tubby King.

"I got my pregnant wife (the Yankee fan) with me. Hoping my kid learns to kick her everytime the Mets score." -Schifftis-

by future on Oct 3, 2008 10:34 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Win shares and WARP3 are not great way to measure players

and second base is further down the defensive spectrum.

9=8

by JI on Oct 3, 2008 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Then how should

players be measured? By their GRIT factor?

"I got my pregnant wife (the Yankee fan) with me. Hoping my kid learns to kick her everytime the Mets score." -Schifftis-

by future on Oct 3, 2008 10:39 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Got a link

Where the stats on each player are readily available?

"I got my pregnant wife (the Yankee fan) with me. Hoping my kid learns to kick her everytime the Mets score." -Schifftis-

by future on Oct 3, 2008 10:41 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

When calculated correctly,

wOBa is probably the best shorthand tool that is available

9=8

by JI on Oct 3, 2008 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not anti-Beltran. I agree that he's underrated.

Utley is better and more underrated.

J.K.L.

by acblue on Oct 3, 2008 10:41 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't agree

1, that’s he’s better. But I can deal with people having that opinion.
2, that’s he’s more underrated. I cannot deal with this fallacy.

Beltran was ignored for MVP all season, while Utley was getting his dong schlepped all season long until Howard supplanted him. Utley was also touted as the MVP last year except he broke his hand. So I don’t understand where this under-rated business comes from, though I have found that even among statheads the white middle infielder always is considered underrated no matter what the media says.

I don’t know what it will take for you to understand that Utley is not underrated at all. Just because more fans don’t know about him doesn’t mean he’s underrated at all.

"I got my pregnant wife (the Yankee fan) with me. Hoping my kid learns to kick her everytime the Mets score." -Schifftis-

by future on Oct 3, 2008 10:48 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The fact that people think he's not even the best player on his team is proof enough.

Also, that white middle infielder strawman isn’t going to fly with me.

J.K.L.

by acblue on Oct 3, 2008 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Who thinks this? Seriously, give me some names...of non-retards.

He’s easily the best player on his team. He was the best player on his team last year and the media even said so, but his hand injury gave the spotlight to Rollins.

If John Kruk says you are the best player on the team, I’m pretty sure you’re not fucking underrated. It means a lot of people know that Kruk has that opinion for better or for worse.

Carlos Beltran isn’t considered the best player on his team, because that’s DW. But considering fielding with the pitching staff’s penchant for flyballs, Beltran’s right up there. But he’s not even mentioned…in the top 4! This season he was somehow overshadowed by Reyes, DW and even Delgado! Sorry, I don’t think Utley’s season would have been overshadowed that much.

"I got my pregnant wife (the Yankee fan) with me. Hoping my kid learns to kick her everytime the Mets score." -Schifftis-

by future on Oct 3, 2008 10:55 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Pujols, Utley, Beltran, and others are all seriously underappreciated

Let’s forget about trying to rank them. This should really just be about celebrating how awesome they are.

by Jeff Sullivan on Oct 3, 2008 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fuck you too.

- Sincerely Carlos Beltran.

"I got my pregnant wife (the Yankee fan) with me. Hoping my kid learns to kick her everytime the Mets score." -Schifftis-

by future on Oct 3, 2008 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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though I have found that even among statheads the white middle infielder always is considered underrated no matter what the media says.

Be insanely careful about what you’re alleging.

by Matthew on Oct 3, 2008 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh come on

"I got my pregnant wife (the Yankee fan) with me. Hoping my kid learns to kick her everytime the Mets score." -Schifftis-

by future on Oct 3, 2008 11:05 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't take kindly to flippant notions about my racial biases.

And since we aren’t the media here, and are definitely what most people would consider statheads, I cannot help but feel this comment is somewhat close to the vicinity about our community here.

If you are referring to some other group, please clarify.

by Matthew on Oct 3, 2008 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Even among

statheads, there can be racial biases. If you don’t acknowledge that possibility, then go ahead and be that ostrich with its head in the sand, racial bias doesn’t exist.

In no way was I claiming you or any stathead in particular was racially biased. For all I know you could be latino or black.

"I got my pregnant wife (the Yankee fan) with me. Hoping my kid learns to kick her everytime the Mets score." -Schifftis-

by future on Oct 3, 2008 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

White players aren't underrated

Good defenders are underrated (like Matthew said above).

by Jeff Sullivan on Oct 3, 2008 11:26 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Racial biases

now equate politics? Sociology equals politics?

And come on, how often have you heard praise for Eckstein or any other middle infielders for being so gritty?

It’s even a long standing joke among some people I know, only white middle infielders can have a positive GRIT factor.

"I got my pregnant wife (the Yankee fan) with me. Hoping my kid learns to kick her everytime the Mets score." -Schifftis-

by future on Oct 3, 2008 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Racial biases

do not need to be discussed on a baseball website, because the discussion of the origin and continuation of the existence of said biases never leads to a useful or constructive discussion.

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Oct 3, 2008 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

At least it's still close to on topic.

But yes, more Albert Pujols love.

by Matthew on Oct 3, 2008 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm a huge fan, myself

didn’t jump in earlier because I got a late start and had nothing of substance to add. But damn I love watching Pujols play.

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Oct 3, 2008 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

We say Chase Utley is underrated.

You say he’s not and then make a quip about statheads overrating white MINF.

How is that supposed to read?

by Matthew on Oct 3, 2008 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not that we can really measure varying levels of underappreciation

However I think it’s clear that guys like Pujols, Jones, Utley, and Beltran are at or near the top of the list.

by Jeff Sullivan on Oct 3, 2008 10:41 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Abreu used to be in there too

until he went to New York and became old.

What’s funny about those four is that they all play in large markets and for good teams. It makes no sense.

by Matthew on Oct 3, 2008 10:47 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Old

And forgot how to field. Dear God man, get on an elliptical.

"I got my pregnant wife (the Yankee fan) with me. Hoping my kid learns to kick her everytime the Mets score." -Schifftis-

by future on Oct 3, 2008 10:48 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Other problem

Chipper has the ability to play through pain like a 7 year old girl.

That’s always been a mark against him.

"I got my pregnant wife (the Yankee fan) with me. Hoping my kid learns to kick her everytime the Mets score." -Schifftis-

by future on Oct 3, 2008 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's a problem he

has dealt with his entire career. People don’t like the fact that he finds new and exciting ways to injure himself and hasn’t played in 140 games since 2003.

Yes he’s getting older, but there is a sentiment that he won’t go out there and play if he is remotely injured.

And I knew Jeff would point that out, I’m not saying Chipper isn’t awesome. God knows as a Mets fan I will throw a party when that bastage retires. But the perception of him is that he is soft now and won’t play through pain. I find it ridiculous, but that’s how the MSM has been treating him lately.

"I got my pregnant wife (the Yankee fan) with me. Hoping my kid learns to kick her everytime the Mets score." -Schifftis-

by future on Oct 3, 2008 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

But isn't it arbitrary

To use the years before he started to fall apart? Yeah, KG Jr was a durable badass…a decade ago.

Right now: people think he can hurt himself in so many different ways.

"I got my pregnant wife (the Yankee fan) with me. Hoping my kid learns to kick her everytime the Mets score." -Schifftis-

by future on Oct 3, 2008 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Chipper has the ability to play through pain like a 7 year old girl.

That’s always been a mark against him.

It wasn’t a mark against him between 1996-2003.

by Jeff Sullivan on Oct 3, 2008 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe he

was never in pain, ever think of that Jeff?

:)

"I got my pregnant wife (the Yankee fan) with me. Hoping my kid learns to kick her everytime the Mets score." -Schifftis-

by future on Oct 3, 2008 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well you should have

thought of that first!

"I got my pregnant wife (the Yankee fan) with me. Hoping my kid learns to kick her everytime the Mets score." -Schifftis-

by future on Oct 3, 2008 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The answer is obvious.

After 2003, Chipper Jones must have hired the same agent that Erik Bedard uses today.

by Matthew on Oct 3, 2008 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Middle Infielder

God knows white corner infielders don’t get no respect.

"I got my pregnant wife (the Yankee fan) with me. Hoping my kid learns to kick her everytime the Mets score." -Schifftis-

by future on Oct 3, 2008 5:52 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

This isn't about underhated players

Though that’s also a neat topic for discussion.

by Gomez on Oct 3, 2008 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's possible.

But Bonds was insane. So you’d need someone to have one of the top 20 best offensive seasons of all time coupled with superb defense at a premium position to catch him. Nothing comes up off the top of my head.

by Matthew on Oct 3, 2008 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Does Duke Snider mid-50's fall into that range?

"Sorry I hit you in the helmet Hank, I meant to hit you in the neck." Stan Williams to Hank Aaron.

by dpseadv on Oct 3, 2008 2:35 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

And that My Friends

That is why Pujols is my favorite player. He beats out Ichiro and even Felix, which is an accomplishment. I started really getting into baseball in 2001, and since then I’ve had the joy of watching Pujols’ career unfold. He is the complete player and I think as a peak, possibly better than A-Rod, it’s a tough call. I think A-Rod will be viewed as the better player in the long run because of his longevity, but man, Pujols is good. The thing I love about Pujols is it seems he is a great team player. Now, I know that this doesn’t make him a better player, but it seems that he has always been willing to play for the team. He signed a below market extension, he switched from 3B to LF to 1B at the behest of the team, and he’s played through injury every year in order to keep the team in contention. It’s great to see a guy like that succeed with his talent. I just wish that Pujols would get more MVP lovin because he is head and shoulders the best player in the NL right now.

by jullberg on Oct 3, 2008 2:38 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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