I Hate Human Error
On the one hand, it's always been this way, for as long as the game has been played. On rare occasions, a pitcher may be rewarded for a mistake or penalized for a success, and that's just how it is, because umpires aren't flawless. It's usually not a big deal, and we all still love the game, regardless of its sundry imperfections. On the other hand, that's stupid.
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So I'm not really technically minded about stuff like this
but are the various pitch-trax things standardized or generalized? In other words, MLB defines the strike zone as:
“that area over home plate the upper limit of which is a horizontal line at the midpoint between the top of the shoulders and the top of the uniform pants, and the lower level is a line at the bottom of the knees. The Strike Zone shall be determined from the batter’s stance as the batter is prepared to swing at a pitched ball.”
So are the various TVgameday/espn ones always that precise, or do they just use a general zone?
Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.
by pdb on Oct 23, 2008 11:00 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Gameday is precise
the TV and ESPN zones are not.
by Jeff on Oct 23, 2008 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not really technically minded either
but that looks like a “strikeout”.
Also, I think Adrian Beltre is bad. BAD ASS.
by lemonverbena on Oct 23, 2008 11:26 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wondered this too
FOX Trax often shows pitches that appear to miss by an inch inside as being wildly off the plate.
Who is this guy?
by evanr on Oct 23, 2008 11:10 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Their strike zone is way too small
just like Joe’s Tracer.
by Jeff on Oct 23, 2008 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Namely, the strike zones shown by broadcast networks are laughably thin.
Which is weird since the width of the plate (and therefore strikezone) is the only thing that’s actually standard.
by Matthew on Oct 23, 2008 12:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Selling the pitch
Clearly the pitch was a “miss” in terms of where it was intended to go vs where it went. This is the thing that bugs me the most about ball/strike calling. If the ball hits the target, it is more likely to be called a strike.
I think that was one of the principal concerns with Johjima, as his catching style led to more pitches seemingly reached for.
by batura on Oct 23, 2008 11:34 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I was calling for the strikeout on that pitch.
Glad you caught it, too, Jeff. But because it was so early in the game, I didn’t make such a big deal about the end result (Utley’s homerun).
by Wilder. on Oct 23, 2008 12:44 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
rec'd for typo that fits the accent
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by pdb on Oct 23, 2008 3:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Phillies
have been getting a lot of huge breaks this season. They really take advantage of the bad calls that go their way.
"I got my pregnant wife (the Yankee fan) with me. Hoping my kid learns to kick her everytime the Mets score." -Schifftis-
by future on Oct 23, 2008 5:41 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Umps miss calls a lot
If the Rays had hit Cole Hamels, this would have been immaterial.
by Gomez on Oct 23, 2008 8:18 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't think you can say that when
The game ended 3-2 and this was the two run homer that gave the Phillies 2 of their 3 runs.
It would have been immaterial if the Phillies had hit Kazmir and the TB relievers harder as well, as their margin of victory could have been greater than the effect of this mistake.
"I got my pregnant wife (the Yankee fan) with me. Hoping my kid learns to kick her everytime the Mets score." -Schifftis-
by future on Oct 23, 2008 8:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can certainly say that
because if they had hit Cole Hamels, they would’ve scored more than 2 runs and this would have been immaterial.
It’s one bad outcome in a game full of various outcomes.
by Gomez on Oct 23, 2008 10:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is a really bad argument and I'm sure you know why
by Jeff on Oct 24, 2008 12:16 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Phillies had
7 if you don’t include the HR.
"I got my pregnant wife (the Yankee fan) with me. Hoping my kid learns to kick her everytime the Mets score." -Schifftis-
by future on Oct 25, 2008 6:08 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Might've been enough had this pitch been called a strike
by Jeff on Oct 25, 2008 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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