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Jack Zduriencik is the new GM

Hmmm...

Star-divide

I'm disappointed.

You?

LaCava was the right pick, we'll see how Jack changes things up. I'm told his rep as a good guy to work for is a bunch of BS, but he can evaluate talent, for sure.

Better than Ng, though, and at least the drafts should be strong with Jack Z and Bob Fontaine, though I'm not 100% sure Bob hangs around now.

The future looks brighter, though.

 

 

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I'm pretty optimistic, actually.

The guy is a great talent evaluator, and if he’s able to work with a “stat guy” then we’ll be in business.

by Phildopip on Oct 22, 2008 11:19 AM PDT   0 recs

Cautious optimism

that blunders of the Adam Jones/Silva nature will not soon be repeated.

by Paytheline on Oct 22, 2008 11:21 AM PDT   0 recs

Big fan of what the Brewers front office has done with the team,

and I assume that Z’s made a big contribution to the development of their core. Am not sure how much he follows modern analysis, but there’s more than one way to skin a cat, and the value of superior scouting and player development should not be underestimated.

by Graham on Oct 22, 2008 11:32 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I agree.

I simply don’t believe that he’s not aware of modern analysis; as I’ve said before, their moves matched what TB did, albeit not quite as well (or rather, better in the draft, worse FA pick-ups, no Garza trade).

LaCava would’ve been a good pick, but there’s no way to spin this as a bad move.

by marc w on Oct 22, 2008 11:47 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

There’s little doubt that Zduriencik cleans out the scouting department and possibly the player development, too. The PD needs it badly and that could mean adios to the many that have been in Seattle for years.

All good things.

I think the key for Jack to be successful here is his cabinet. who does he surround himself with? Who is his No. 2? Who are his special assistants? How do he and Bob handle the draft, presuming Fontaine stays?

by jasonchurchill on Oct 22, 2008 11:26 AM PDT   0 recs

Cleaning up...

…player development and scouting (domestic) is a BIG plus, IMHO.

by rtang on Oct 22, 2008 1:09 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I hope you mean professional scouting department.

Our amateur scouting department seems to be excellent. Drafting a reliever in the first round was questionable, but most first and second round decisions lay at the feet of the GM.

by batura on Oct 22, 2008 3:11 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Many Questions

I am not sure what to think about this. Honestly, this is one area where it is really tough for fans to get a good idea of the candidates pluses and minuses. I guess we’ll just have a cross our fingers.

The one thing I really liked about LaCava was the rumors that he gets on well with Fontaine.

With Zduriencik, we just don’t know what will happen. I just hope that they keep Fontaine and Engle, and can improve the club’s talent evaluate at the big league level.

The one thing I really love about this hire is that Zduriencik really gets the draft. We can be relatively confident that the team will excel at bringing in amateur talent. That was the biggest minus with LaCava. I don’t know if you can equate a GM candidate with the success of his last club, but the Blue Jays are not good at drafting and they don’t do much at all in the international market.

I don’t know anything about these guys beyond the limited information available in the mainstream media. So, to a certain extent, you just have to cross your fingers and hope this works out. But this is definitely not an obvious fuckup, which is a nice change from what we are all used to.

by Jerry on Oct 22, 2008 4:47 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Jack is not of the new-age statistical analysis ilk, he’s an old-school scouting and player development type guy.

But that doesn’t mean he can’t do well here. My concerns are who his lieutenants will be and will Zduriencik learn to trust others as he’s been trusted in the past? He can’t do it all himself.

My guess is that the scouting and player development department’s get a 50% turnover in year one.

by jasonchurchill on Oct 22, 2008 11:36 AM PDT   0 recs

As I think about this more, this hiring really excites me.

While some of the other hires may be more “new-school”, this is a guy who builds teams from within via the draft and player development. This means we get to watch our team grow from the ground up which I love. Maybe I should buy my Aquasox season tickets now!

Man do I love midgets.

by Thingray on Oct 22, 2008 12:27 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

A total rebuild would include Howie and Chuck. I long for that total rebuild.

Screw you, Mariners. I'm back in football's loving arms. *edit: well, shit. This isn't going well.

by kevin_ess on Oct 22, 2008 11:45 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Yup

I think you are probably right. I don’t think this is a bad thing, either.

by Jerry on Oct 22, 2008 4:49 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Awesome.

Any change is a good change at this point.

by Wilder. on Oct 22, 2008 11:52 AM PDT   0 recs

That's what they said

when it went from Melvin to Hargrove to McLaren.

I’ll wait and see what road he’s going to take before I say I’m happy with the hire.

Midnight Baseball - No Lights - Only in Alaska!

by MfaninAlaska on Oct 22, 2008 12:16 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

That's what some people said.

This is obviously much different.

J.K.L.

by acblue on Oct 22, 2008 12:25 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I'm very pleased with this.

Only Ng would have disappointed me as a choice. LaCava? Perhaps preferable. But you can’t argue with [Unpronounceable]’s player development talent.

J.P. Howell kindly requests that you please Bach the fuck up.

by esoteric on Oct 22, 2008 12:19 PM PDT   0 recs

Brewers fans are pissed...

Link

*I hope this link hasn’t already been posted.

Screw you, Mariners. I'm back in football's loving arms. *edit: well, shit. This isn't going well.

by kevin_ess on Oct 22, 2008 1:14 PM PDT   0 recs

When Zduriencik was announced as a finalist

Fans generally did not want to let him go. Good sign that he’s had a pretty positive impact, I think.

Forensic has nothing to do with Zduriensik.

by ThundaPC on Oct 22, 2008 7:55 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Defense

Again, I am not sure if you can directly equate a scouting directors tendencies on the tendencies of the club he works for. However, operating on the shaky assumption that Zduriencik will run the M’s pretty similar to how the Brewers have operated, defense is not likely to be a huge concern for the team going forward.

The Brewers have a pretty consistent track record for putting up with crappy D in exchange for offense. They have played Richie Weeks and Ryan Braun at infield positions and dealt with serious struggles. They drafted Matt LaPorta (a big, slow first baseman) and promptly converted him to LF, where his best case scenario is below average defense. They also haven’t moved Matt Gamel off 3B despite being absolutely brutal there. The Brewers definitely have been willing to trade defense for offense.

If Zduriencik continues this tendency, expect to see some bad defense. On the flipside, Zduriencik has been incredibly good at drafting and developing impact bats. In the short term, that is what the M’s need most.

by Jerry on Oct 22, 2008 4:59 PM PDT   0 recs

This is just like saying the Rays suck at defense.

The Brewers were a 59 plays above average D this year. Best in the NL! And they did it WITH Braun and Hall (two of the worst defenders in MLB in 2007) in the line-up.

Again, this is remarkably similar to the Rays who took horrific defenders with decent bats and put them in different positions where their defense wouldn’t kill the team. That’s not at all the same as moving someone down the defensive spectrum – the Rays saved a ton of runs by moving Iwamura from 3b to 2b.

Braun NEEDS to be in a line-up, and it’s a testament to the Brewers acumen that the guy plays D every day and yet the team still puts up a DER or +/- like they did. It’s exactly why adding Cameron (or trading for Bartlett) was a monumental move, and I don’t think Zduriencik is going to forget it. It’s fine to have a LaPorta, a Braun or a Fielder in a line-up as long as you surround them with solidly above average fielders. The Red Sox have done it for years despite having Manny in LF.

I think it’ll be fascinating to watch how Z deals with Yuni…

by marc w on Oct 22, 2008 5:21 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I agree

I am not saying that the Brewers MO is flawed. Clearly, all those tradeoffs they made were very smart ones. And the team filled in the gaps well with Cameron and Corey Hart.

But I think the stat you posted is sorta misleading. The Brewers have a very clear track record of valuing offense over defense at both the big league and minor league level. They dealt with Braun at 3B for way too long, then replaced him with a better yet still bad defensive player in Bill Hall. They picked up Ray Durham to fill in at 2B at the trade deadline this year, essentially trading a good bat and OB skills for pretty bad defense at a premium position. Again, I am not bashing them. It worked out pretty well for them, actually.

But a large contingent of hardcore M’s fans really value defense greatly. My main point is that Zduriencik is likely to play a few bad defensive players to get offense. Don’t expect him to build a team like the Blue Jays or A’s. Its not his M.O.

by Jerry on Oct 22, 2008 5:41 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Zduriencik's Drafts

One other thing I have noted about Zduriencik’s drafts in the past is his tendency for secrecy and controversial picks.

I really like to read scouting reports and information about the draft. One really good website for draft info is brewerfan.net. It is run by a guy who writes for Perfect Game, and, although it is focused on the Brewers, it has a ton of good generalized info on the draft.

In checking that site out a lot in the past few years, one thing thing I noticed repeatedly is how secretive the Brewers have been in their picks. They almost never release any information about what they are going to do. Then, on draft day, they often go against the consensus and make very controversial picks. Their selections of Ryan Braun, Mark Rogers, Prince Fielder, and Matt LaPorta all were pretty surprising (particularly the latter). Interestingly, all but Rogers have turned out really well.

The guys at brewerfan are really knowledgable. The main blogger there, Patrick Ebert, is a scout himself. Everyone at brewerfan speaks glowingly about Zduriencik. And their opinion on the matter is far more important than a typical fan blogger.

So, assuming that Zduriencik has a huge impact on the M’s draft philosophy (which is not at all a given), we should expect the unexpected in the next draft. Hopefully, Fontaine and Engle will stick around and they can combine the best of the new and the old guards. The club is great on the international market, and hopefully that won’t change. The M’s are also pretty good at developing athletic players and using late round picks to develop cheap, effective relievers. Hopefully that won’t change either. The Brewers, on the other hand, are excellent at developing impact power hitters, like Ryan Braun, Prince Fielder, Matt LaPorta, and Matt Gamel. That is something the M’s haven’t been very successful at. Hopefully that changes.

by Jerry on Oct 22, 2008 5:24 PM PDT   0 recs

He sounds OK

so i’m cautiously optimistic. Yeah, it was true that there was no floor, but now things should start to change. It would be nice to see some HRs.

ignacio

by ignacio on Oct 22, 2008 10:22 PM PDT   0 recs

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