Jack Zduriencik is the new GM
Hmmm...

I'm disappointed.
You?
LaCava was the right pick, we'll see how Jack changes things up. I'm told his rep as a good guy to work for is a bunch of BS, but he can evaluate talent, for sure.
Better than Ng, though, and at least the drafts should be strong with Jack Z and Bob Fontaine, though I'm not 100% sure Bob hangs around now.
The future looks brighter, though.
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My main worry with a candidate that is not as statistically inclined is that
we won’t be able to utilize the freely available talent market as best as we could.
by JI on
Oct 22, 2008 11:17 AM PDT
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The Brewers made some pretty nice FA signings
Mike Cameron for example. I wouldn’t be too worried.
by Edgar for Pres on
Oct 22, 2008 2:22 PM PDT
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And Cameron was a fantastic signing, but he wasn't freely available talent.
J.K.L.
by acblue on
Oct 22, 2008 2:34 PM PDT
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The Brewers are also in a different situation
They’re pretty much in their “win now” mode.
Fans are typically idiots.
by The Typical Idiot Fan on
Oct 22, 2008 3:33 PM PDT
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Chuckles and Zoinks Comedy Revue SQUEEEEEE
Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.
by pdb on Oct 22, 2008 11:17 AM PDT 0 recs
I'm pretty optimistic, actually.
The guy is a great talent evaluator, and if he’s able to work with a “stat guy” then we’ll be in business.
by Phildopip on Oct 22, 2008 11:19 AM PDT 0 recs
Let's hope that Jeff, Matthew and Graham
all submit resumes to Mr. Z as soon as possible.
by johnbai on Oct 22, 2008 11:20 AM PDT 0 recs
Cautious optimism
that blunders of the Adam Jones/Silva nature will not soon be repeated.
by Paytheline on Oct 22, 2008 11:21 AM PDT 0 recs
Big fan of what the Brewers front office has done with the team,
and I assume that Z’s made a big contribution to the development of their core. Am not sure how much he follows modern analysis, but there’s more than one way to skin a cat, and the value of superior scouting and player development should not be underestimated.
by Graham on
Oct 22, 2008 11:32 AM PDT
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I agree.
I simply don’t believe that he’s not aware of modern analysis; as I’ve said before, their moves matched what TB did, albeit not quite as well (or rather, better in the draft, worse FA pick-ups, no Garza trade).
LaCava would’ve been a good pick, but there’s no way to spin this as a bad move.
by marc w on
Oct 22, 2008 11:47 AM PDT
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There’s little doubt that Zduriencik cleans out the scouting department and possibly the player development, too. The PD needs it badly and that could mean adios to the many that have been in Seattle for years.
All good things.
I think the key for Jack to be successful here is his cabinet. who does he surround himself with? Who is his No. 2? Who are his special assistants? How do he and Bob handle the draft, presuming Fontaine stays?
by jasonchurchill on Oct 22, 2008 11:26 AM PDT 0 recs
I was hoping for someone younger, but hopefully Z can at least do something about PD.
Man do I love midgets.
by Thingray on
Oct 22, 2008 11:29 AM PDT
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Cleaning up...
…player development and scouting (domestic) is a BIG plus, IMHO.
by rtang on
Oct 22, 2008 1:09 PM PDT
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I hope you mean professional scouting department.
Our amateur scouting department seems to be excellent. Drafting a reliever in the first round was questionable, but most first and second round decisions lay at the feet of the GM.
by batura on
Oct 22, 2008 3:11 PM PDT
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Many Questions
I am not sure what to think about this. Honestly, this is one area where it is really tough for fans to get a good idea of the candidates pluses and minuses. I guess we’ll just have a cross our fingers.
The one thing I really liked about LaCava was the rumors that he gets on well with Fontaine.
With Zduriencik, we just don’t know what will happen. I just hope that they keep Fontaine and Engle, and can improve the club’s talent evaluate at the big league level.
The one thing I really love about this hire is that Zduriencik really gets the draft. We can be relatively confident that the team will excel at bringing in amateur talent. That was the biggest minus with LaCava. I don’t know if you can equate a GM candidate with the success of his last club, but the Blue Jays are not good at drafting and they don’t do much at all in the international market.
I don’t know anything about these guys beyond the limited information available in the mainstream media. So, to a certain extent, you just have to cross your fingers and hope this works out. But this is definitely not an obvious fuckup, which is a nice change from what we are all used to.
by Jerry on
Oct 22, 2008 4:47 PM PDT
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We hired him on the 7th anniversary of our last playoff game
by Robert on Oct 22, 2008 11:30 AM PDT 0 recs
Um Robert knows everything that has to do with history.
by NOLAmarinergirl on
Oct 22, 2008 11:39 AM PDT
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Hmm... interesting...
Robert, where the hell did I leave the power cord to my DVD player?
by ningwers on
Oct 22, 2008 11:40 AM PDT
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Can we call him J-Z?
cause that would make him a good hire.
by Bearskin Rugburn on Oct 22, 2008 11:31 AM PDT 0 recs
I've been calling him Z-Shizzle...
This signature space for rent.
by PositivePaul on
Oct 22, 2008 12:05 PM PDT
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I think we can skip writing down Z-Shizzle, though
no offense PP.
Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.
by pdb on
Oct 22, 2008 2:55 PM PDT
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None taken.
Zoinks wins out, I think.
This signature space for rent.
by PositivePaul on
Oct 22, 2008 3:01 PM PDT
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http://www.lookoutlanding.com/2008/10/22/640697/nicknames-for-z
Indie.
by Taylor H on
Oct 22, 2008 3:06 PM PDT
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I'm sticking with just plain Dick Junkie
leave out the Czar… the same way Beluga Tits lost the “I am” part.
by johnbai on
Oct 22, 2008 8:44 PM PDT
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Jack is not of the new-age statistical analysis ilk, he’s an old-school scouting and player development type guy.
But that doesn’t mean he can’t do well here. My concerns are who his lieutenants will be and will Zduriencik learn to trust others as he’s been trusted in the past? He can’t do it all himself.
My guess is that the scouting and player development department’s get a 50% turnover in year one.
by jasonchurchill on Oct 22, 2008 11:36 AM PDT 0 recs
I think in this case, change is a good thing.
Man do I love midgets.
by Thingray on
Oct 22, 2008 11:40 AM PDT
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As I think about this more, this hiring really excites me.
While some of the other hires may be more “new-school”, this is a guy who builds teams from within via the draft and player development. This means we get to watch our team grow from the ground up which I love. Maybe I should buy my Aquasox season tickets now!
Man do I love midgets.
by Thingray on
Oct 22, 2008 12:27 PM PDT
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It looks like this team is committing to a total rebuild
by Robert on Oct 22, 2008 11:43 AM PDT 0 recs
A total rebuild would include Howie and Chuck. I long for that total rebuild.
Screw you, Mariners. I'm back in football's loving arms. *edit: well, shit. This isn't going well.
by kevin_ess on
Oct 22, 2008 11:45 AM PDT
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Yup
I think you are probably right. I don’t think this is a bad thing, either.
by Jerry on
Oct 22, 2008 4:49 PM PDT
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That's what they said
when it went from Melvin to Hargrove to McLaren.
I’ll wait and see what road he’s going to take before I say I’m happy with the hire.
Midnight Baseball - No Lights - Only in Alaska!
by MfaninAlaska on
Oct 22, 2008 12:16 PM PDT
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That's what some people said.
This is obviously much different.
J.K.L.
by acblue on
Oct 22, 2008 12:25 PM PDT
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I would argue Melvin, Hargrove, and McLaren were not given a proper opportunity.
And what could they do with the suck Bavasi compiled.
by Wilder. on
Oct 22, 2008 2:11 PM PDT
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I'm very pleased with this.
Only Ng would have disappointed me as a choice. LaCava? Perhaps preferable. But you can’t argue with [Unpronounceable]’s player development talent.
J.P. Howell kindly requests that you please Bach the fuck up.
by esoteric on Oct 22, 2008 12:19 PM PDT 0 recs
Brewers fans are pissed...
*I hope this link hasn’t already been posted.
Screw you, Mariners. I'm back in football's loving arms. *edit: well, shit. This isn't going well.
by kevin_ess on Oct 22, 2008 1:14 PM PDT 0 recs
When Zduriencik was announced as a finalist
Fans generally did not want to let him go. Good sign that he’s had a pretty positive impact, I think.
Forensic has nothing to do with Zduriensik.
by ThundaPC on
Oct 22, 2008 7:55 PM PDT
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Defense
Again, I am not sure if you can directly equate a scouting directors tendencies on the tendencies of the club he works for. However, operating on the shaky assumption that Zduriencik will run the M’s pretty similar to how the Brewers have operated, defense is not likely to be a huge concern for the team going forward.
The Brewers have a pretty consistent track record for putting up with crappy D in exchange for offense. They have played Richie Weeks and Ryan Braun at infield positions and dealt with serious struggles. They drafted Matt LaPorta (a big, slow first baseman) and promptly converted him to LF, where his best case scenario is below average defense. They also haven’t moved Matt Gamel off 3B despite being absolutely brutal there. The Brewers definitely have been willing to trade defense for offense.
If Zduriencik continues this tendency, expect to see some bad defense. On the flipside, Zduriencik has been incredibly good at drafting and developing impact bats. In the short term, that is what the M’s need most.
by Jerry on Oct 22, 2008 4:59 PM PDT 0 recs
This is just like saying the Rays suck at defense.
The Brewers were a 59 plays above average D this year. Best in the NL! And they did it WITH Braun and Hall (two of the worst defenders in MLB in 2007) in the line-up.
Again, this is remarkably similar to the Rays who took horrific defenders with decent bats and put them in different positions where their defense wouldn’t kill the team. That’s not at all the same as moving someone down the defensive spectrum – the Rays saved a ton of runs by moving Iwamura from 3b to 2b.
Braun NEEDS to be in a line-up, and it’s a testament to the Brewers acumen that the guy plays D every day and yet the team still puts up a DER or +/- like they did. It’s exactly why adding Cameron (or trading for Bartlett) was a monumental move, and I don’t think Zduriencik is going to forget it. It’s fine to have a LaPorta, a Braun or a Fielder in a line-up as long as you surround them with solidly above average fielders. The Red Sox have done it for years despite having Manny in LF.
I think it’ll be fascinating to watch how Z deals with Yuni…
by marc w on
Oct 22, 2008 5:21 PM PDT
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I agree
I am not saying that the Brewers MO is flawed. Clearly, all those tradeoffs they made were very smart ones. And the team filled in the gaps well with Cameron and Corey Hart.
But I think the stat you posted is sorta misleading. The Brewers have a very clear track record of valuing offense over defense at both the big league and minor league level. They dealt with Braun at 3B for way too long, then replaced him with a better yet still bad defensive player in Bill Hall. They picked up Ray Durham to fill in at 2B at the trade deadline this year, essentially trading a good bat and OB skills for pretty bad defense at a premium position. Again, I am not bashing them. It worked out pretty well for them, actually.
But a large contingent of hardcore M’s fans really value defense greatly. My main point is that Zduriencik is likely to play a few bad defensive players to get offense. Don’t expect him to build a team like the Blue Jays or A’s. Its not his M.O.
by Jerry on
Oct 22, 2008 5:41 PM PDT
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Zduriencik's Drafts
One other thing I have noted about Zduriencik’s drafts in the past is his tendency for secrecy and controversial picks.
I really like to read scouting reports and information about the draft. One really good website for draft info is brewerfan.net. It is run by a guy who writes for Perfect Game, and, although it is focused on the Brewers, it has a ton of good generalized info on the draft.
In checking that site out a lot in the past few years, one thing thing I noticed repeatedly is how secretive the Brewers have been in their picks. They almost never release any information about what they are going to do. Then, on draft day, they often go against the consensus and make very controversial picks. Their selections of Ryan Braun, Mark Rogers, Prince Fielder, and Matt LaPorta all were pretty surprising (particularly the latter). Interestingly, all but Rogers have turned out really well.
The guys at brewerfan are really knowledgable. The main blogger there, Patrick Ebert, is a scout himself. Everyone at brewerfan speaks glowingly about Zduriencik. And their opinion on the matter is far more important than a typical fan blogger.
So, assuming that Zduriencik has a huge impact on the M’s draft philosophy (which is not at all a given), we should expect the unexpected in the next draft. Hopefully, Fontaine and Engle will stick around and they can combine the best of the new and the old guards. The club is great on the international market, and hopefully that won’t change. The M’s are also pretty good at developing athletic players and using late round picks to develop cheap, effective relievers. Hopefully that won’t change either. The Brewers, on the other hand, are excellent at developing impact power hitters, like Ryan Braun, Prince Fielder, Matt LaPorta, and Matt Gamel. That is something the M’s haven’t been very successful at. Hopefully that changes.
by Jerry on Oct 22, 2008 5:24 PM PDT 0 recs
What a weird 11th hour addition to the candidates list, and strange that he got the nod over the others
I’m not going to complain, though. Here’s to hoping he is a substantial upgrade over his predecessor.
by Gomez on Oct 22, 2008 9:51 PM PDT 0 recs
He sounds OK
so i’m cautiously optimistic. Yeah, it was true that there was no floor, but now things should start to change. It would be nice to see some HRs.
ignacio
by ignacio on Oct 22, 2008 10:22 PM PDT 0 recs
And maybe an open skylight, even if there are some clouds.
Because there are always some clouds.
ignacio
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Oct 22, 2008 10:25 PM PDT
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