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The 21st of October OTFPOTD

In deference to all the hard work that the regular Off-Topicers have put in I take my virgin swing at this so they may have a day off.

Possible topics for discussion:

People filpped out when this happened.  I had it happen to me when I was an umpire and I think everyone, including Rick Reilly, needs to chill out.  Your thoughts.

I have noticed with the drop in temperature and shorter days that I am losing motivation to finish my latest house project.  Does anyone else lose motivation this time of year?

There has been a lot of talk about influential people who have died this year.  Obscure to many, Gregory McDonald was a big one for me because Fletch is my all time favorite comedy.  What person who has passed this year do you believe deserves more props?

Lastly, I accidentally told the bride during vows on Friday to take the groom as her wedded wife.  Thankfully I was quick on my feet and made a joke of it before moving on.  Anyone else had a public slip of the tongue they would like to share?

Have at it kids.  I will now drive to work and catch up with you all later.

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I'm not gonna lie

these tags are excellent

by seattlebruin on Oct 21, 2008 7:08 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

So I'm a complete internet blog idiot retarded person.

When I click on the tags, I get the page with Sexy People listed at the bottom, a fanpost link that brings me back here, and list all which lists a crap ton of tagged comments. Do you (Sec 109, or creator of OT post in general) have to personally tag all those comments? Or is there a list that I’m not finding of tags to choose from?

"Sorry I hit you in the helmet Hank, I meant to hit you in the neck." Stan Williams to Hank Aaron.

by dpseadv on Oct 21, 2008 12:22 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I only know how to make the tags

I honestly have no belief that they are all that useful.

Someone like sb could probably answer you better.

by Sec 108 on Oct 21, 2008 12:26 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hopefully he brings his crayons, I've been trying to figure it out for awhile.

I’m gonna need the big picture drawings on this one, I’m done trying to figure it out without asking, it’s getting on my nerves. For a long time I thought the links were being changed due to whatever reasons things get changed here.

"Sorry I hit you in the helmet Hank, I meant to hit you in the neck." Stan Williams to Hank Aaron.

by dpseadv on Oct 21, 2008 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Honestly, we sort of misuse them.

They’re great on a content-heavy site. If you go to most photo sites, you’ll often see tags as well. They are used as folders to organize items.

Going along with the example: If you have tag correctly, every picture with James Smith in it will be tagged “James Smith”. Later on when you are looking for photos, if you are looking for James, you can click on “James Smith” and all photos tagged that will show up.

Similarly, you could tag all LL meetups with “meetup”, and have easy access to all the meetup postings. However, we’re still a small enough site that tags are sort of useless, there still isn’t enough information flowing through here to really need to tag things correctly.

It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray

by Faux on Oct 21, 2008 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Now that type of tag I'm slightly familiar with.

My wife was placing tags on her facebook photo album this weekend. Which was interesting to me as they make it easy to do a search, but mostly useless for my age demographic. Digital camera’s weren’t common in my teens and early 20’s, so the really good photos I’d like to find are probably stuck on somebody’s fridge, or a box in someone’s closet.

"Sorry I hit you in the helmet Hank, I meant to hit you in the neck." Stan Williams to Hank Aaron.

by dpseadv on Oct 21, 2008 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Interesting thing (to me at least)

My GF and I went through all her mother’s and grandmother’s photos and scanned them all into my computer, and I made a website of them for her. If you ever get the opportunity to do the same, run the other direction. It took about 6 months of scanning 4-5 hours a day.

It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray

by Faux on Oct 21, 2008 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Scanning photos is easy...

…compared to scanning negatives and slides.

Most of my better photography has yet to see either screen or print. I finally was able to look at some of my old medium-format slides for the first time in something larger than the actual slides only a few months ago. And scanning some of my old negatives — seeing them as positive proofs on screen — has been quite challenging and fun…

This signature space for rent.

by PositivePaul on Oct 21, 2008 1:05 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would have rather had the negs or slides.

The scanners nowadays have specific holders for both. Hell, there are even negative scanners reasonably priced. It would have gone much better, 6-10 at a time instead of 4 at a time, and easier to load.

But her family doesn’t believe in holding onto those.

It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray

by Faux on Oct 21, 2008 1:13 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's pretty cool though.

How many times have you sat down with family albums and thought “crap who is THAT!” My grandmother has told me a dozen times for some of here pictures, but the names always escape me. I write them on the back of the photo’s now.

"Sorry I hit you in the helmet Hank, I meant to hit you in the neck." Stan Williams to Hank Aaron.

by dpseadv on Oct 21, 2008 1:12 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I had that same experience when I digitized all my music

Good thing I was single and living alone when I did that, because it took me two solid months of 3-4 hours a night to get it done. If I ever have to do that again I’m hiring someone to do it.

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Oct 21, 2008 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's given me a hate of anything analog.

It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray

by Faux on Oct 21, 2008 1:16 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It didn't make me hate my records by any stretch

but it did make me fear the day I actually decide to digitize my vinyl. And it did break me of the CD jewel case habit – every time I buy a CD now I put it in one of these. These are fantastic sleeves.

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Oct 21, 2008 1:19 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I live my life in digial.

I never even liked tapes or VHS. I would rather watch TV or listen to the radio. When CDs and DVD’s came out, I was overjoyed.

It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray

by Faux on Oct 21, 2008 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You won't like my record label then.

We’re releasing everything on vinyl with a digital CD included.

Screw you, Mariners. I'm back in football's loving arms. *edit: well, shit. This isn't going well.

by kevin_ess on Oct 21, 2008 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

This, I like.

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Oct 21, 2008 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, tapes and VHS are terrible because they destroy quality.

Records are as close as you can get to true reproduction as is possible at this time.

J.K.L.

by acblue on Oct 21, 2008 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Is that really true?

I have master format recordings (about 50MB/min).

The IT guy in me says more bandwidth solves everything, and no matter how good analog is for reproducing analog sounds, enough BW could fill in those gaps pretty easily.

It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray

by Faux on Oct 21, 2008 1:29 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Indeed, it's true.

Screw you, Mariners. I'm back in football's loving arms. *edit: well, shit. This isn't going well.

by kevin_ess on Oct 21, 2008 1:29 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yep.

Same thing with photography. While digital is faster and cheaper (if you shoot a lot, that is), film is still waaaay better at capturing the details, when done properly. Like with audio, though, digital photography’s strength is in its ability to process out the noise.

This signature space for rent.

by PositivePaul on Oct 21, 2008 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's exactly why I do all of my accounting with an abacus.

Screw you, Mariners. I'm back in football's loving arms. *edit: well, shit. This isn't going well.

by kevin_ess on Oct 21, 2008 1:56 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Paul Allen is trying...

…from what I heard anyway.

This signature space for rent.

by PositivePaul on Oct 21, 2008 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I just saw in Wired that a UK company is marketing USB drives packaged into a hollow cassette case.

The Cassette case is then done up to look like a Mix Tape, even has space for you to write your own liner notes. The gist being that you load the drive with tunes the way you would a mix tape then hand it over to someone to play.

Fear the NPE

by thewyrm on Oct 21, 2008 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I miss Muxtape.

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Oct 21, 2008 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah but they want something ridiculous like $60 or something.

Not practical for mixtape purposes.

the other angels fan

by Eyebrows on Oct 21, 2008 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That does defeat the purpose

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Oct 21, 2008 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That price will drop drastically for two reasons:

A) They will realize how small a niche market that is, and
B) They will realize how ridiculously overpriced they’ve made it, when any person with a functioning brain could make one quite easily. Which gives me an idea…

Screw you, Mariners. I'm back in football's loving arms. *edit: well, shit. This isn't going well.

by kevin_ess on Oct 21, 2008 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The tags here work the same way.

But if you don’t tag things correctly in the first place (for example, using Jim instead of James in some pictures), it makes the tags much less useful.

So for right now they’re a nice little decoration.

It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray

by Faux on Oct 21, 2008 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

What clicking on the tag does is show you all the Diaries and Front Page posts that have that same tag.

If you click on a tag that says sorry nola, you’ll get the 9 or so diaries that have that tag.

It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray

by Faux on Oct 21, 2008 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh, for some reason your answer reminded of something. I think I've got it.

If I make a fanpost, I’ll have to do it late the night before. My mornings are a hairy mess.

"Sorry I hit you in the helmet Hank, I meant to hit you in the neck." Stan Williams to Hank Aaron.

by dpseadv on Oct 21, 2008 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

In that case, here's some tips on tags.

In the top right corner, there’s a box called tags. fill it in with whatever tags you wish, using commas to separate.
Example:

sorry nola, ll meetup, something about happy penguins, penguins are always dressed up because they don’t fly anywhere

will turn into these seperate tags:

  • sorry nola
  • ll meetup
  • something about happy penguins
  • penguins are always dressed up because they dont fly anywhere

It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray

by Faux on Oct 21, 2008 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

This was my best OTDOD ever!

It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray

by Faux on Oct 21, 2008 7:11 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I can't in good conscience hold on to the funny that was in that diary.

Read this. READ IT NOW, EVERYONE.

It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray

by Faux on Oct 21, 2008 7:14 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not worried about it.

It took all of five minutes, and I can still use most of it tomorrow. I just felt like being a drama king for a minute.

It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray

by Faux on Oct 21, 2008 8:30 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

FAO: Marc W - What do a toothpick and Tottenham have in common?

… and other Spurs-based hilarity

I’ve been falling out of love with football lately, but this along with the whole Newcastle thing is encouraging so much entertaining media that I’m almost arsed to follow what’s going on in the Premiership these days.

Mariner fan, Europhile and mobile insider --- P3 W1 L2 (.333)
Sponsor of Jamie Burke's baseball-reference page

by MarkE on Oct 21, 2008 7:22 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

A joke

I met this girl in a bar, we got to know each other pretty well. Over the course of the conversation she started dropping hints about…things. Turns out she was quite kinky, and quite up for experimentation. As we were leaving the bar she said “I want you to humiliate and degrade me.” So I bought her a Spurs shirt.

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Oct 21, 2008 7:57 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Okay, so that joke was the first one on that page

I got the joke emailed to me by a friend this morning sans context.

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Oct 21, 2008 8:00 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Context is better

I guess they shortened it for the paper to make it fit the headline.

My town and office are both full of Spurs fans, it’s so much fun.

Mariner fan, Europhile and mobile insider --- P3 W1 L2 (.333)
Sponsor of Jamie Burke's baseball-reference page

by MarkE on Oct 21, 2008 8:05 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

chin up, rc. We'll get this turned around.

It still seems off to me somehow that people on Lookout fucking Landing can throw out the “your team sucks!” jokes, but such is life. At least they didn’t move to Oklahoma (or move TO North London!).

Of course, I’m getting these jokes sent to me from Spurs-fan friends in the UK now, so it’s not like I can avoid this.

by marc w on Oct 21, 2008 9:01 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The most amusing thing to me

and sorry to rub it in, was watching the Sports news channel yesterday with a piece on Ramos. Picture of him sat on the bench on Sunday with a chorus of “you’re getting sacked in the morning” ringing round the BritStad.

Realistically he’ll turn it around so long as Levy has the patience. Combination of a new manager, lack of strikers, SSS etc. It could do with a leader (Woodgate?) taking them by the scruff and instilling some pride into the players.

Oh, and getting shot of Darren Bent.

Mariner fan, Europhile and mobile insider --- P3 W1 L2 (.333)
Sponsor of Jamie Burke's baseball-reference page

by MarkE on Oct 21, 2008 9:05 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wouldn't worry about it

Promotion back up to the top flight will come easy! ;)

by Graham on Oct 21, 2008 9:07 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I want to say something snarky, but... yeah.

What can I say? A non-trivial portion of the season’s over and they’re in dead last. We’ll be the Chelsea of the Championship!

by marc w on Oct 21, 2008 9:08 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I can't believe one of your points comes from us AT THE BRIDGE

I refused to even read that match report out of sheer incredulity.

by Graham on Oct 21, 2008 9:12 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I have no answers either.

Though I WILL say that Ramos took the odd step of benching a lot of starters from that game.
Chris Gunter! Nice job on Frank Lampard. Uh, why don’t you play for the reserves for a month?

by marc w on Oct 21, 2008 9:13 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hey you kids!

Get that ball off my lawn!

Be open minded about what you don't know.

by Jed MC on Oct 21, 2008 7:44 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I called my teacher "mom" once.

That was probably my most embarrassing public slip of the tongue.

by Phildopip on Oct 21, 2008 7:44 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I did that in first or second grade too.

I can’t remember which one because I had the same teacher for both.

Be open minded about what you don't know.

by Jed MC on Oct 21, 2008 7:47 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

My GF teaches fifth grade, and it happens to her at least twice a year.

It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray

by Faux on Oct 21, 2008 7:49 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not uncommon.

Both teachers and mothers tend to be viewed as some combination of authority figure and care-giver to children. It’s not surprising that there’s some degree of role confusion.

by Liebkartoffel on Oct 21, 2008 10:35 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nearly every kid in school has a best friend.

Mine found out our 6th grade home room teacher was his biological father. So that was fun.

"Sorry I hit you in the helmet Hank, I meant to hit you in the neck." Stan Williams to Hank Aaron.

by dpseadv on Oct 21, 2008 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I lose all sorts of motivation this time of year

all I want to do when it gets dark so early is drink and sleep.

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Oct 21, 2008 7:59 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

It being dark so early is pretty demoralising

Still, daylight savings kick in at the weekend. So we can go home in the dark instead…

Mariner fan, Europhile and mobile insider --- P3 W1 L2 (.333)
Sponsor of Jamie Burke's baseball-reference page

by MarkE on Oct 21, 2008 8:04 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Next weekend in the US, actually

It always confuses me that England and the US do that on different weeks.

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Oct 21, 2008 8:05 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is better than the spring one

An extra hour for 3 weeks around spring training is a nightmare for remembering the conversion.

Mariner fan, Europhile and mobile insider --- P3 W1 L2 (.333)
Sponsor of Jamie Burke's baseball-reference page

by MarkE on Oct 21, 2008 8:08 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Plays hell with the footy schedule too

An extra hour of sleep in the morning before watching a match is always a good thing. Unless that hour is the first hour of the match.

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Oct 21, 2008 8:09 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

If you're watching England games

that’d be just as well, it’s only the last 30 minutes been worth watching lately.

Mariner fan, Europhile and mobile insider --- P3 W1 L2 (.333)
Sponsor of Jamie Burke's baseball-reference page

by MarkE on Oct 21, 2008 8:12 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Which is an improvement over a year ago

So maybe in a year from now they’ll play 60 minutes worth watching.

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Oct 21, 2008 8:14 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

To be honest, i'm being harsh

It’s pretty watchable when we’re drawing with Kazakhstan for an hour, usually quite engrossing, just that when it’s a game that matters it’s a bit wrenching.

Mariner fan, Europhile and mobile insider --- P3 W1 L2 (.333)
Sponsor of Jamie Burke's baseball-reference page

by MarkE on Oct 21, 2008 8:16 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's like muscle memory

you’re automatically conditioned ro watching England struggle, so watching them play reasonably well is not something you’re able to do freely quite yet.

Meanwhile, Sven-Goran Erikson’s Mexico drew 2-2 with Canada. Good times.

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Oct 21, 2008 8:18 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

No shit

Qualifying games used to be Sven’s speciality round here.

Meanwhile I see the US contrived to lose last week too. Funny old game…

Mariner fan, Europhile and mobile insider --- P3 W1 L2 (.333)
Sponsor of Jamie Burke's baseball-reference page

by MarkE on Oct 21, 2008 8:23 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That was a pretty crazy loss

especially since it was Dwight Yorke that got the three points for T&T. I thought he was retired from internationals. Or just retired.

This is my favorite line from the match recap:

The Americans have appeared in five straight World Cups, becoming a regional power.

Yep, the US are the dominant soccer power in a region that includes Canada, Panama, Cuba, Haiti, and…well, Mexico’s good I guess, but the US doesn’t beat Mexico very often. So yeah, POWER. woooo.

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Oct 21, 2008 8:28 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Matters not

They’ll qualify easily from that group of six in Round 4. If the next best teams to have qualified so far are El Salvador and Costa Rica then Bruce Arena Bob Bradley wants shooting.

I like the cross-continent playoffs idea. Pitching Honduras against Uruguay is going to be hilarious.

Mariner fan, Europhile and mobile insider --- P3 W1 L2 (.333)
Sponsor of Jamie Burke's baseball-reference page

by MarkE on Oct 21, 2008 8:33 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, they'll qualify no problem

I never pay attention to US WC qualifiers because they’d pretty much have to field a team of blind, one-legged guys not to qualify. The problem with being a “regional power” though is that once the US actually GETS to the WC, they have this false sense of “we’re really good enough to be here” when they’re actually kind of out of their depth.

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Oct 21, 2008 8:37 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

This makes intuitive sense, but is this true?

The regional power that’s perpetually overconfident is clearly Mexico. The teams that choke most hilariously on the big stage are those that have come through UEFA qualifying: Spain (can’t use that one anymore, but still), England, Portugal, etc.
Clearly, that’s got something to do with perhaps unreasonable expectations, but it’s not clear that the easy road to the WC really hurts the US. They’ll qualify for the next round every other WC or so, and that sounds about right to me…. that’s ‘true talent.’ For now.

by marc w on Oct 21, 2008 9:06 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, my thing is more the public expectation than the actual team talent level

I think the US plays at the level they’re capable of, and depending on the depth of the field that’s usually good enough to get out of the first round (except recently).

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Oct 21, 2008 10:05 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Or the fact that some parts of the

U.S. don’t even bother with daylight savings?

by Liebkartoffel on Oct 21, 2008 10:38 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I suppose they don't talk about it as much here,

but in Alaska they talk about it a lot. Medically, it’s referred to as SADD: Seasonal Affective Depressive Disorder. Some folks get it worse than others. My brother had to buy a special lamp that emulated sunlight, and had a regular regimen for using it during the winter months.

I'm The Alaskan, and I approve this message.

by The Alaskan on Oct 21, 2008 8:19 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I thought this was from Beauty and The Beast.

Shows you how long it’s been since I watched that movie.

It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray

by Faux on Oct 21, 2008 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wha?

That movie was awesome.

by Phildopip on Oct 21, 2008 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That movie is awesome!

That and Iron Giant are my too favorite “kids” movies of all time!

Man do I love midgets.

by Thingray on Oct 21, 2008 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It was a movie that is awesome.

I loved the Brave Little Toaster. Radio FTW!

BLT and The Fox and the Hound instantly make me feel like I’m 5 years old when I see them.

by Goose on Oct 21, 2008 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It has never bothered me. I actually enjoy the darkness.

I went two weeks in Prudhoe once without ever seeing the Sun.

Fear the NPE

by thewyrm on Oct 21, 2008 8:21 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I have one of the lamps that slowly lights up as it gets closer to the alarm, like a sunrise.

I usually wake up before it goes off, but I’m odd and don’t sleep much. It really helps my GF in the winter, though. That, and I make her walk in the cold with me after I do my morning run.

It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray

by Faux on Oct 21, 2008 8:22 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

My manager has a SAD lamp

They’re quite prevalent in Scandinavia too, apparently. Reduce suicides.

Mariner fan, Europhile and mobile insider --- P3 W1 L2 (.333)
Sponsor of Jamie Burke's baseball-reference page

by MarkE on Oct 21, 2008 8:22 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

When I studied in Norway, they told us that our dorm building had 10 suicides in one year.

Doesn’t bother me, but it did make me think about reducing my quota of SAD/suicide jokes.

by marc w on Oct 21, 2008 9:07 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

haven't done in a while, why?

Stuck on a word?

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Oct 21, 2008 8:51 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Clue is "PO"

Answer: _ _ _ E R _ F L _ _ B A R _ Y

by Two Rs and Two Ls on Oct 21, 2008 8:54 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

PO means Purchase Order to me.

It is also a river.

Fear the NPE

by thewyrm on Oct 21, 2008 8:57 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

What's the title of the puzzle?

“PO” means nothing to me…

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Oct 21, 2008 8:58 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The "long clues" (15 characters) in the puzzle are:

17A: P
22A: PO
38A: POL
46A: POLK
55A: POLKA

The answer for 17A was “Sixteenthletter”

by Two Rs and Two Ls on Oct 21, 2008 9:01 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Do you have any of the other long clue answers yet?

I’m still stumped by this.

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Oct 21, 2008 10:11 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Riverof something

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Oct 21, 2008 10:16 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

YES that's it.

that was driving me nuts. But yes, the Po river does cut through Lombardy.

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Oct 21, 2008 10:20 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yup.

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Oct 21, 2008 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

38A: POL

C A P I T O L _ _ L L T _ _ _

by Two Rs and Two Ls on Oct 21, 2008 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Capitol Hill T???

Hmm…

It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray

by Faux on Oct 21, 2008 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

capitolhilltwit?

What are some of the cross-clues for the last three letters?

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by pdb on Oct 21, 2008 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

35D: The four seasons, e.g. (5 letters)

36D: Where Rioja wine comes from (5 letters)
37D: Doctrine (5 letters)

by Two Rs and Two Ls on Oct 21, 2008 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Capital letters?

Screw you, Mariners. I'm back in football's loving arms. *edit: well, shit. This isn't going well.

by kevin_ess on Oct 21, 2008 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

no,..

Screw you, Mariners. I'm back in football's loving arms. *edit: well, shit. This isn't going well.

by kevin_ess on Oct 21, 2008 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

thanks for saving me the snark.

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by pdb on Oct 21, 2008 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, just glanced at it.

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by kevin_ess on Oct 21, 2008 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

46A: POLK

_ _ _ _ _ R _ _ _ _ _ D E N T

PatternAccident ?

by Two Rs and Two Ls on Oct 21, 2008 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'd imagine something "President".

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by Faux on Oct 21, 2008 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Poplar president?

Because he was from Tennessee?

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by Faux on Oct 21, 2008 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cross-clues:

46D: Plant life (5 letters, 1st letter is 1st letter of President)
47D: Jack of “The Great Dictator” (5 letters, 1st letter intersects)
48D: Helicopter part (5 letters, 1st letter intersects)
44D: Reply to “Are not!” (4 letters, 2nd letter intersects)
39D: Heavy Volume (4 letters, last letter intersects, TOM
)

by Two Rs and Two Ls on Oct 21, 2008 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

46D: Flora?

48D: Rotor?

I'm The Alaskan, and I approve this message.

by The Alaskan on Oct 21, 2008 12:11 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Was Polk a farmer?

I'm The Alaskan, and I approve this message.

by The Alaskan on Oct 21, 2008 12:12 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

He ran plantations.

Cotton and something else.

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by Faux on Oct 21, 2008 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Or rather, FormerPresident

I'm The Alaskan, and I approve this message.

by The Alaskan on Oct 21, 2008 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Polk was a president.

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by pdb on Oct 21, 2008 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

don't remember that

but he was lucky #13.

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by pdb on Oct 21, 2008 11:26 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Eleven, I mean

Fillmore was 13.

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by pdb on Oct 21, 2008 11:26 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

If "President" is right

50D: _ T. Firefly, Groucho’s role in “Duck Soup” is

R U _ U _

by Two Rs and Two Ls on Oct 21, 2008 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rufus

the other angels fan

by Eyebrows on Oct 21, 2008 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I meant Polk. Fillmore was 13.

Before fillmore it was… Taylor… Polk was eleven.

And you beat me to it.

by Two Rs and Two Ls on Oct 21, 2008 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I actually have all the presidents memorized.

It’s significantly less impressive if I recite them on the internet, though.

by Liebkartoffel on Oct 21, 2008 12:51 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

MLB could use a makeover as well.

How about the North American Major League Baseball Association (NAMLBA)

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by Faux on Oct 21, 2008 9:14 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Finally a safe haven for Yankees fans.

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by kevin_ess on Oct 21, 2008 9:47 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

NAMBLA! (At least we're not killers.)

God I love Mr. Show.

Fear the NPE

by thewyrm on Oct 21, 2008 10:08 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Newegg is far too quick and easy to use.

And has too many cheap deals. My wallet does not like me.

the other angels fan

by Eyebrows on Oct 21, 2008 10:10 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Newegg is indeed awesome.

It’s like shopping at Fry’s without having to go to Fry’s.

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by pdb on Oct 21, 2008 10:11 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cheaper and better products

Go to fry’s to test or try something out than buy it on newegg

by Robert on Oct 21, 2008 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Gee.

While I’m glad to hear Morrow’s finally getting his shot in the rotation, I would’ve LOVED to have had the last two years of TL in the rotation…

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by PositivePaul on Oct 21, 2008 10:30 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You're assuming we wouldn't have him being a reliever in the same mold.

Because I don’t trust our system to not churn out fastball-heavy pitchers with underutilized offspeed stuff.

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by Faux on Oct 21, 2008 10:37 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

True.

Still — as I understood, Morrow had more ‘upside’ than Lincecum, but TL was more MLB-ready, so…

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by PositivePaul on Oct 21, 2008 10:46 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I thought is was more of Morrow being the "safer" pick,

because the had injury concerns on Lincecum due to his size and funky delivery.

Man do I love midgets.

by Thingray on Oct 21, 2008 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I didn't think so either, but that's what I'd heard about Morrow.

That and the size/delivery/injury concerns…

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by PositivePaul on Oct 21, 2008 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Discovering good new bands is like getting Christmas presents all the damn time

Well, The Gaslight Anthem isn’t a new band, but they’re new to me, and they’re pretty freakin’ cool. They’re The Hold Steady without the grandiose production – and that’s not a knock against The Hold Steady, I love that band like I’d love a child of my own; it’s just that the Gaslight Anthem takes that sound and strips it down to the basics – two guitars, bass and drums, and good lyrics. Really good stuff.

The singer’s voice sounds like Brandon whatshisname from the Killers, which isn’t a bad thing either; I really like this record, and now I want to go get the rest of their catalog.

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Oct 21, 2008 10:32 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

This album has nothing to do with Christmas

it’s just that when I discover a band I hadn’t heard of before, and I like them, it’s like getting a Christmas present.

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by pdb on Oct 21, 2008 10:34 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'd LOVE for Simon & Garfunkel to do one.

And U2. I’d be frightened if The Cure or Depeche Mode put one out…

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by PositivePaul on Oct 21, 2008 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm still waiting for the Morrissey christmas album, myself.

That’d be mopetastic.

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by pdb on Oct 21, 2008 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Did you see Family Guy had an Art Garfunkel joke on Sunday?

I love Christmas albums. I think every band should do one. Acoustic albums as well.

Of course I’m not including dumbass bands and cheesy pop singer in this group. They already do christmas albums anyway.

Man do I love midgets.

by Thingray on Oct 21, 2008 10:53 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

They ruined that song.

And that’s nothing against U2 in particular, I like U2 well enough – but that’s such a stellar song it deserved better treatment.

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by pdb on Oct 21, 2008 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

If you preface it right, you can get away with anything.

I made a your mom joke on facebook chat to someone I’ve only met probably twice, but I started out by apologizing because I knew what I was about to do was horrible, but I had to do it.

by Two Rs and Two Ls on Oct 21, 2008 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

This would have been of your basic "So did your Mom last night" variety.

Totally fine amongst friends but may be misconstrued if your victim doesn’t know you well enough.

Fear the NPE

by thewyrm on Oct 21, 2008 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

As long as you can take it as well as dish it out

you’re good.

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by pdb on Oct 21, 2008 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

In my work environment anyone with a thin skin gets weeded out early.

Seriously, some of the things we say to each other are just downright cruel.

Fear the NPE

by thewyrm on Oct 21, 2008 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I do not offend easily

so don’t hold back.

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by pdb on Oct 21, 2008 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

My friends and I had a secret santa thing

last year—mine knew I liked “classical” music so she bought me, I kid you not, the Trans-Siberian Orchestra christmas album.

by Liebkartoffel on Oct 21, 2008 10:55 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Here's what I don't understand about the Trans-Siberian Orchestra.

But beyond that, it really blows my mind that their Christmas show in Portland is being extremely heavily hyped on the local classic-rock station. I’m not sure what the crossover is there.

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by pdb on Oct 21, 2008 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ok, that was wierd

The first word of that post was “Everything”, and it’s not there now.

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by pdb on Oct 21, 2008 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

What I don't understand is the hate for TSO.

It’s not bad music, and they put on a good rock show. I’m a classical fan as well as most other genres, and I think that what they do is ultimately good for music. They take something that is overplayed for 3 months out of the year and changed it into something else, that is more listenable after the first two months of hearing the same 25 songs over and over.

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by Faux on Oct 21, 2008 11:05 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

And to actually answer your post, instead of rambling to myself.

The crossover is that it is XMas songs in a format that classic rock people would like.

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by Faux on Oct 21, 2008 11:06 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I mentioned them in an OTFPOTD a while back.

Equal parts of fellow jersey boys Bruce Springsteen and Ted Leo. Aiming more at the former, landing more at the latter.

Anyway, the moral is: hang on my every utterance in these things.

by marc w on Oct 21, 2008 10:40 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I can't believe I missed that.

I will now depend utterly on every word you say. I can’t wait to see Ted Leo this Saturday.

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by pdb on Oct 21, 2008 10:41 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

So I ready yesterday that Horizon Air wants to do daily flights from Paine Field to Portland (that would be cool),

and another airline (Allegiance?) wants to do direct flights to Las Vegas.

How awesome is that for people who live in the north end? I’ll admit I feel a bit sorry for the people impacted by the additional noise, but the Horizon turbo-props are really quiet, and I would guess that the other airline probably flies something like a 737, so that shouldn’t be too bad. It can’t be any worse than the engine testing Boeing does, or the UPS and FedEx flights that rumble out of there all throughout the day.

Man do I love midgets.

by Thingray on Oct 21, 2008 10:49 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I live under the Sea-Tac flight path

It is mind boggling how many Horizon flights go in and out of this town everyday.

This can only be good for them.

by Sec 108 on Oct 21, 2008 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I just love the idea of being able to drive 10 minutes from my house and grab a plane to Portland or Vegas.

That would rock. I could hop a plane to Portland and walk to Cannon Beach!

(just kidding)

Man do I love midgets.

by Thingray on Oct 21, 2008 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not with my nicotine and tar filled lungs!

Although I wouldn’t mind attempting a bike ride from Portland to CB, I just can’t remember how harsh the terrain is on that highway.

Man do I love midgets.

by Thingray on Oct 21, 2008 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's not terrible

and by “not terrible” I mean that the Coast Range only gets to about 5000 feet or so. So, less than the Cascades, but still a pretty serious climb. There are pretty wide shoulders, though, so it’s definitely doable. Never tried it myself, but I’d like to someday.

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by pdb on Oct 21, 2008 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think I'd be up for a 5,000 foot climb without some advanced training.

Maybe I’ll just fly to Portland and take a cab to CB! LOL!

Man do I love midgets.

by Thingray on Oct 21, 2008 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Could be right

I rarely take 26 all the way out, we usually cut across to hwy 30…

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by pdb on Oct 21, 2008 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

If I remember correctly from my childhood,

there’s a sign at the highest point of the road we took to the coast that says 1280 ft. But that was a long time ago.

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by Faux on Oct 21, 2008 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

According to ODOT

Blue Box Pass, on hwy 26, is at 4025 ft. I think hwy 30’s elevation is less.

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by pdb on Oct 21, 2008 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Huh.

Interesting. The NWS didn’t have that pass listed.

by Phildopip on Oct 21, 2008 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I like these better.

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by pdb on Oct 21, 2008 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Here is something totally off topic.

Today, 13 years ago, I met my first girlfriend.
We went out for a few months and then she broke up with me. Several years later we ended up talking again and have been very good friends for the last 7 years.

by mark sobba on Oct 21, 2008 10:59 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

And now for something completely different.

A man with three buttocks!

Man do I love midgets.

by Thingray on Oct 21, 2008 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I got three cheeks, yes

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by pdb on Oct 21, 2008 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Interesting.

And here I thought it was just a Monty Python thing.

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by Thingray on Oct 21, 2008 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I see what you did there.

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by pdb on Oct 21, 2008 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Even more:

The Young Ones.

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by pdb on Oct 21, 2008 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

What,

No ‘Black Adder’ love?

And the Python pseudo-spinoff ‘Fawlty Towers?’

,,Wir wollen ein Auto mieten!’’

Oooh, yes — we do serve meat here!

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by PositivePaul on Oct 21, 2008 1:06 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not a fan of Black Adder, really

I can take Rowan “I’m so clever” Atkinson for about 5 minutes before I start throwing things at the TV. Bonus points for Hugh Laurie in Blackadder, but I still can’t take it for long. I was kinda meh about Fawlty Towers, too – to me it went on for one season too long, after a while, as much as I love John Cleese, there’s only so much of that I can take.

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by pdb on Oct 21, 2008 1:10 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Definitely agreeing on Black Adder (particularly Goes Forth)

and Fawlty Towers. If you get a chance, watch A Bit of Fry and Laurie—funniest sketch comedy I’ve seen.

by Liebkartoffel on Oct 21, 2008 4:46 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Another good British show:

The Sandbaggers

Amazing spy show for smart people that are interested written by an actual ex-spy.

by mark sobba on Oct 21, 2008 11:47 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm still friends with the majority of my ex's.

Other than that, I’m not sure where you’re going with this.

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by Thingray on Oct 21, 2008 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I prefer to stay friends with exes...

otherwise I feel like I’ve ended up just wasting that time in my life and getting little of value from the relation.

by Two Rs and Two Ls on Oct 21, 2008 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I just don't see why when a relationship ends people think they have to hate each other.

There must have been some reason you were together in the first place. Maybe you’re just not meant to be a couple.

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by Thingray on Oct 21, 2008 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wow, that's a really odd mashup

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by pdb on Oct 21, 2008 1:04 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yet totally intriguing.

Screw you, Mariners. I'm back in football's loving arms. *edit: well, shit. This isn't going well.

by kevin_ess on Oct 21, 2008 1:07 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I've actually had that happen before too...

I like the dirty, buzzing, menacing-like-a-drunk-guy-with-a-gun quality of the Big Black version, and I love the clean, antiseptic, menacing-like-a-german-with-undefinable-uncommunicatable-Needs quality of the Kraftwerk version. It’s one of the better cover/original pairs; they’re soooo different and soooo good.

Don’t let it make you sad. Accept the irreconcilable differences and embrace synthesis (not just synthesizers).

And if you’re ambitious, add in Senor Coconut’s version to the mix….

by marc w on Oct 21, 2008 4:34 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Being sung by Enzyte guy?

;-)

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by PositivePaul on Oct 21, 2008 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

So last night somebody mentioned I tend to have a self deprecating sense of humor.

This morning I realized why, for instance one of the last diving jobs I worked there were roughly 25 people on the boat. I tallied approximately 80 years of prison time. Not counting county lockups and time served while waiting bail etc. That seems pretty typical for a lot of crews I’ve worked with.
So basically I’ve spent a lot of years surrounded by people with poor emotional responses and anger management issues. The majority have a great sense of humor, yet all the stories and jokes tend to be the self deprecating type. Safer that way I suppose. Slica’s comments yesterday probably led me down this line of thought.

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by dpseadv on Oct 21, 2008 1:09 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Crap, reply fail. Oh well, it's an effing huge diary post anyway.

"Sorry I hit you in the helmet Hank, I meant to hit you in the neck." Stan Williams to Hank Aaron.

by dpseadv on Oct 21, 2008 1:10 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'll go grab the Kleenex, funboy!

I kid, I kid.

Screw you, Mariners. I'm back in football's loving arms. *edit: well, shit. This isn't going well.

by kevin_ess on Oct 21, 2008 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ha ha loser, you've never served jail time so there!

Actually sleep deprivation has me by the nuts, commenting during these times is probably a bad decision. My brain tends toward introspection and blah blah bullshit blah blah.

"Sorry I hit you in the helmet Hank, I meant to hit you in the neck." Stan Williams to Hank Aaron.

by dpseadv on Oct 21, 2008 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Actually, I have! Stupid youth.

Screw you, Mariners. I'm back in football's loving arms. *edit: well, shit. This isn't going well.

by kevin_ess on Oct 21, 2008 1:28 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Me too!

Stupider youth.

by royalcurve on Oct 21, 2008 1:29 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is why I love you.

Well, that and all the food.

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by kevin_ess on Oct 21, 2008 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is clear proof that barter economies are the best.

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by Faux on Oct 21, 2008 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's more like a doughy batter economy.

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by kevin_ess on Oct 21, 2008 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Mmmm ... molten chocolate chip cookies.

Be open minded about what you don't know.

by Jed MC on Oct 21, 2008 2:26 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dammit, there's a line in this comment I don't like.

The poor emotional response and anger management issue thing. I am in no way referring to Slica there, his situation and the people I’m thinking of are apples and… something completely different. I apologize Slica for the way that was structured.

"Sorry I hit you in the helmet Hank, I meant to hit you in the neck." Stan Williams to Hank Aaron.

by dpseadv on Oct 21, 2008 3:05 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

DANGEROUSLY CLOSE TO BEING TOPICAL:

This post at Beyond the Boxscore has Jose Lopez as being the 8th best 2B in MLB in ‘08. I have no trouble believing he was +26 with the bat, but I refuse to believe he was +5 with the glove. I’m not willing to believe he’s as bad as Dave Cameron says he is (which is stupid because Dave Cameron is way smarter than me, but still.)

So does anyone have a decent guess at how Jose’s defense actually rates? I would say it’s somewhere in the neighborhood of -10 runs or so, but that’s not based on anything I can really articulate.

J.K.L.

by acblue on Oct 21, 2008 1:28 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Hey ac

My sister found the Bauhaus record. She’s putting it in the mail, will let you know when it gets here!

by royalcurve on Oct 21, 2008 1:29 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Avoiding stats on this one, but my eyes say his range is decent and his glove is ok too.

Because of the mental errors he loses a bit so I have always thought of him as -5<x<0.

by Sec 108 on Oct 21, 2008 3:20 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I hate defensive stats.

I honestly don’t believe there’s any reliable way of measuring them accurately and meaningfully (i.e. specifically) without being subject to too much noise and still a fair amount of subjectivity. The range thing sorta works for me (i.e. someone is between -5 runs and +5 runs), but that’s not reliable enough for me to say “Player X is worth 10 runs above average” comfortably (let alone dogmatically like others proclaim). I honestly can’t subscribe quite yet to any firm defensive metric that places a specific, definitive run value on ANY player. Reliable systems are not anywhere close to being in place to measure this. They’re getting better, sure, and certainly some defensive metric systems are better than others.

I still stick by the “Asset, Average, Liability” range, and would say that Lopez is somewhere around Average and falling towards the Liability side. Yuni is falling faster…

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by PositivePaul on Oct 21, 2008 2:06 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Wow.

Is this the first reply FAIL from me?

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by PositivePaul on Oct 21, 2008 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

He's an aging vet. He's only playing for himself these days.

He’s selfish and should be traded.

Screw you, Mariners. I'm back in football's loving arms. *edit: well, shit. This isn't going well.

by kevin_ess on Oct 21, 2008 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

For a slap blogger? You've got to be kidding.

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by kevin_ess on Oct 21, 2008 2:11 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's bad enough he posts from the #2 slot...

Ba dum bum!

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by kevin_ess on Oct 21, 2008 2:13 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

At least I'm a lefty!

They tend to hang around the league longer…

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by PositivePaul on Oct 21, 2008 2:19 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You really grind out some veteran comments.

For a guy whose only padding his stats.

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by dpseadv on Oct 21, 2008 3:06 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I have sources that say he's padding his pants too.

Screw you, Mariners. I'm back in football's loving arms. *edit: well, shit. This isn't going well.

by kevin_ess on Oct 21, 2008 3:15 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

GIVE ME MY PANTS BACK

AND GET OFF MY LAWN!!!

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by PositivePaul on Oct 21, 2008 3:38 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You'll get your pants back after you destroy that roll of film.

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by kevin_ess on Oct 21, 2008 4:28 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That just re-awakened fairly

disturbing memories of my grandfather. Thanks.

by Liebkartoffel on Oct 21, 2008 4:51 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'mnotgoingtoask. I'mnotgoingtoask. I'mnotgoingtoask.

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by kevin_ess on Oct 21, 2008 4:52 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

First I've seen.

Man do I love midgets.

by Thingray on Oct 21, 2008 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I tend to agree, but I think there have been strides made in the last year or so.

I put a little more stock in defensive statistics now than I used to, but I think the “Asset/Average/Liability” scale is still the best way to go. Perhaps we’re at the point where we can go so far as to say “Strong Asset/Asset/Average/Minor Liability/Major Liability.” It’s still a guessing game when it comes to run values, though, and that makes me uneasy.

J.K.L.

by acblue on Oct 21, 2008 2:13 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

'I still stick by the "Asset, Average, Liability" range'

There is zero difference between this and the range thing that sorta works for you.

by Graham on Oct 21, 2008 2:13 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Right.

Any attempt to quantify in terms of “runs” or “wins” is pretty shaky, IMHO.

Does “Asset” mean 1 win? 2 wins? 3 wins? Who the hell knows! A lot of people are trying and I certainly laud their efforts, but I still haven’t found a defensive quantification method that I really can latch onto.

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by PositivePaul on Oct 21, 2008 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think it's better to view it in terms of runs than wins.

Asset would be an above average defender, so +2 runs or so. Average would be within 2 runs of 0, and liability would be 2 runs or so. (The 2 runs thing is more of a guess than anything. It might be closer to +/ 0 being the more important thing. I don’t know.)

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by acblue on Oct 21, 2008 2:27 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Something tells me it would only be stricken through.

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by kevin_ess on Oct 21, 2008 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Okay. They just finished installing IE 7 on my computer.

What should I expect? And don’t say to get FF. Even my IT guy recommends it, but they don’t want us adding programs to our workstations.

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by Thingray on Oct 21, 2008 2:10 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I've only used IE7 a few times

so I’m far from an expert, but I do like it far better than IE6. 7’s very FF-like.

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by pdb on Oct 21, 2008 2:11 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's a gateway browser.

Soon you’ll find yourself alone in the dark, sending spam from your Hotmail account..

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by kevin_ess on Oct 21, 2008 2:19 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good luck getting some formatting to look right.

You’ll start finding the right halves of pages at the bottom.

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by Faux on Oct 21, 2008 2:18 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes and no.

A lot of it has to do with IE making their own standards. FF (and Safari and Opera and etc.) use the w3 current standards base to render, where IE decided to push the layout format on everyone.

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by Faux on Oct 21, 2008 2:24 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Which isn't to say that you can't put both in, and some programmers are just lazy like that.

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by Faux on Oct 21, 2008 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not every shop can test in IE.

So they might not know if they do it right until someone tells them.

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by Faux on Oct 21, 2008 3:13 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Or -- and this is the case where I work....

We have software that exports files into HTML that blows up every time a new browser is introduced. I can’t do anything about the files to fix them, and I don’t want to spend another ~5-6 grand upgrading the software. Eventually I’m going to move this content into Flash so we don’t have this damn problem!

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by PositivePaul on Oct 21, 2008 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I love the formal writing style of the NYT

There was a pretty good article in the NYT about AC/DC today, and it contains this line:

The next year, after the singer Bon Scott died in a misadventure with alcohol, the band recruited Mr. Johnson.

Saying Bon Scott had a “misadventure with alcohol” is like saying that Keith Richards dabbled with experimental drugs.

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by pdb on Oct 21, 2008 2:16 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

"His minor misadventure snorting his father's ashes from a shag rug..."

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by kevin_ess on Oct 21, 2008 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't see what's not to like.

No change in formula from the old stuff.

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by kevin_ess on Oct 21, 2008 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yep.

Just good ol’ AC/DC.

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by Thingray on Oct 21, 2008 2:24 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

AC/DC pretty much does what it says on the tin

I’m not sure I’d ever bother reading a review of an AC/DC record. I like their song. In all its iterations.

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by pdb on Oct 21, 2008 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

"I like their song. In all its iterations."

My friend and I were just discussing this over the weekend. I think bands like AC/DC can just keep pumping out the same style of music with no problems, because all they sing about is sex, money and good times.

The bands that write these deep songs about suffering and hardship have a much harder time as they move along, because they no longer experience the suffering and hardship necessary to continue to write quality songs about it.

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by Thingray on Oct 21, 2008 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not to mention the fact that AC/DC knows its audience

and doesn’t condescend to them. They know they can do well by not rocking the boat (no pun intended), so they don’t. Fortunately, they pair that with actually being good at what they do. Compare that with KISS, who also basically has one song but also decided to “expand” and shamelessly pander as people’s tastes changed (I Was Made For Loving You, among others); which band’s back catalog holds up better? KISS had some phenomenal songs, and Alive is probably one of the best live records EVER, but on a full-album basis, AC/DC has been way more consistent.

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by pdb on Oct 21, 2008 2:46 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

My favorite band (U2) runs into this problem from time to time.

But God knows I love ’em. Warts and all (yes, even POP).

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by thewyrm on Oct 21, 2008 2:46 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ah, U2.

I really like U2, mostly. But I really had a problem with the POP/Achtung Baby years, mostly due to an interview I heard with Bono right before the Achtung Baby tour played Tacoma. The DJ asked some softball question about “hey, this is a new direction for U2, do you worry about what your long-time fans might think of this new stuff?” to which Bono replied “I really don’t care – we’ve got lots of new fans, if the old fans don’t like it we really don’t need ’em”.

This just struck me as the height of rock-star arrogance. If not for your “old fans”, you wouldn’t have the chance to wank on stage as much as you do now, you ass.

For me, Bono is pretty much at the head of the line of “singers that should just shut their gob and sing because I don’t care what comes out of your mouth otherwise”.

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by pdb on Oct 21, 2008 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well I became a fan during the Achtung Baby years and it led me to their old stuff.

I still feel AB is their best album and credit it (and U2 in general) saving my life in 1992. It may sound cliche and stupid, but it was the first album and they were the first band I ever chose on my own. Nirvana was thrown on me by my circle of friends. I CHOSE U2. AB was the first album that was the perfect mix of time and place. I was going through some rough emotional stuff and it just seemed like every song was written just for me. If I am ever fortunate enough to meet any of them I would love to just shake their hand and thank them for possibly keeping me from suicide.

As to the fan comment. Are you sure he was not conducting the interview as his persona “the Fly”?

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by thewyrm on Oct 21, 2008 2:56 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Send me back to Joshua Tree or so, and I'll be happy.

Not that they haven’t done some good stuff since then, but none of their newer albums seem as powerful to me.

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by Thingray on Oct 21, 2008 2:58 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nope, it was as Bono.

Not as The Fly, not as MacPhisto, not as any of his other annoying ego trips.

The other thing that burned me about that was the fact that the Pixies were the opening band for that entire tour, and yet at every venue, the door to the Pixies’ dressing room had a sign on it that said “Support Act”. That really bugged me. And I’m not even a huge Pixies fan.

I have a feeling that Bono’s actually a pretty decent guy in person, from some interviews I’ve read – it’s just when he puts his Rock Star Ego on that he gets in trouble.

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by pdb on Oct 21, 2008 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

MacPhisto?

That’s the first time I’ve heard of that.

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by Thingray on Oct 21, 2008 3:02 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It was about the same time as The Fly

and was another one of his onstage persona.

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by pdb on Oct 21, 2008 3:03 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

He was dreamed up as, and I quote Dennis Hopper:

“The Fly after he has gotten fat and moved to Vegas.”

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by thewyrm on Oct 21, 2008 3:05 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, at least he channels his fame and money to worthy causes.

He could be about hookers and blow 24/7 like most rock stars.

Also, their attitude during the Achtung Baby era was driven primarily by the backlash they received during the Rattle and Hum era.

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by thewyrm on Oct 21, 2008 3:03 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah, I have few problems with Bono these days

but getting to this point has been very annoying at times. They fully deserved the Rattle and Hum backlash – it’s a good album, but that movie is one of the most bloated ego-driven wankfests ever put to film.

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by pdb on Oct 21, 2008 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You know it's a reputable newspaper when

they use “Mr.” when referring to a rock star.

Be open minded about what you don't know.

by Jed MC on Oct 21, 2008 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It so often becomes hazy these days.

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by kevin_ess on Oct 21, 2008 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Geez, no kidding.

Mr. Manson?

Really? Are you SURE?

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by PositivePaul on Oct 21, 2008 2:39 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

This.

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by pdb on Oct 21, 2008 2:46 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Come on now, let's be fair.

Beautiful People and This Is The New Shit are both excellent songs. MM is one of those artists who while incredibly talented, waste their talent creating large quantities of crap. See also: Eminem.

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by thewyrm on Oct 21, 2008 2:49 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's two good songs over a career.

Alice Cooper had two good songs…on Side A of almost every album he put out. Marilyn Manson is the epitome of style over substance.

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by pdb on Oct 21, 2008 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

But Eminem

I actually liked 8 Mile, and I’m oddly curious to hear his next record.

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by pdb on Oct 21, 2008 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'll agree with thewyrm here.

I think MM could be much better than he is, and there are a few of his songs I just have to hear occasionally. Unfortunately I’ve only heard the basic Cooper songs, so it’s hard for me to really compare the two.

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by Thingray on Oct 21, 2008 3:00 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

School's Out >>>>> The Beautiful People

and it’s not particularly close.

DISCLAIMER: I am not an expert in music, in shocking people, or in wearing odd makeup on stage in front of thousands of people. I am just a guy who has opinions about music.

DISCLAIMER #2: I have spent many drunken evenings at Alice Cooper’stown, but they in no way paid me to make the above claims re: Mr. Cooper’s musical prowess.

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by pdb on Oct 21, 2008 3:02 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'll give you that one.

Still doesn’t mean I don’t want to hear “The Beautiful People” occasionally.

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by Thingray on Oct 21, 2008 3:04 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

and an unbelievably awesome bar

especially for Phoenix, which is the most vanilla city ever.

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by pdb on Oct 21, 2008 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Phoenix is a giant toilet for the most part

I would never go there if not for ST. Alice Cooperstown is an awesome little oasis in that sea of crap – and it’s walking distance from BOB and USAir Arena, which is cool.

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by pdb on Oct 21, 2008 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I once played the slots with Alice and his mother(!) for about an hour.

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by kevin_ess on Oct 21, 2008 3:17 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You never get tired of the disclaimer's, do you?

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by The Alaskan on Oct 21, 2008 4:03 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not sure why that's possessive.

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by The Alaskan on Oct 21, 2008 4:03 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I got tired of being called out for having strong opinions

thus, disclaimer.

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by pdb on Oct 21, 2008 4:05 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

And yet you don't seem to mind having the wrong opinions. Interesting.

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by The Alaskan on Oct 21, 2008 4:11 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Eminem was actually consistently good.

I got tired of his whole “I’m going to push the envelope” shtick, but he ws better at being insanely creative while managing to piss off just about everyone than anyone else in years.

MM was seventeenth rate industrial metal garbage. I don’t like any MM songs and his whole “I’m the anti-Christ ooh, scary!” act was boring and trite in a world with churchburner metal. (Not that I endorse churchburner metal in any way. Those people are terrifying.)

J.K.L.

by acblue on Oct 21, 2008 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

the only thing I give MM credit for

is being so keenly aware of what pushes the buttons of modern-day Middle America and then pushing them. Repeatedly. He’s a much better self-marketer than musician.

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by pdb on Oct 21, 2008 2:56 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think you forgot the part where he's very creative.

Not thematically, but lyrically and rhythm-wise.

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by The Alaskan on Oct 21, 2008 4:05 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

hmmmmmm not sure about "creative"

granted, I’m not an expert on his music, but what I know of it doesn’t sound particularly different from a lot of other industrial/new-metal type stuff, and the lyrics seem to be all about surface shock value than anything else. Could be wrong, but it seems like pretty typical angry-teenager type stuff.

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by pdb on Oct 21, 2008 4:08 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oops. I was talking about Marshall Mathers, not Marilyn Manson.

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by The Alaskan on Oct 21, 2008 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ah yes.

I actually don’t mind Eminem – I’m not a huge fan, but I can see why people do like him.

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by pdb on Oct 21, 2008 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm less of a fan and more someone who recognizes rare talent.

I don’t really like his style of hip-hop and I was never really satisfied with the explanations he gave when asked about the homophobia in his lyrics. But I know he’s a fucking genius and I respect his abilities.

J.K.L.

by acblue on Oct 21, 2008 4:16 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I guess what I mean is that while being arguably the best "rapper" of all time, he seems to rap. . .

. . . an awful lot about things like misogyny and dick/fart jokes.

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by thewyrm on Oct 21, 2008 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Eminem has some decent stuff,

but the “I hate my Mom, I hate my wife, I hate you” schtick gets old pretty quick. Just like MM, there are a couple songs I like to hear occasionally, but I wouldn’t listen to an entire CD at once.

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by Thingray on Oct 21, 2008 3:01 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think it's a shtick.

The problem, really, is he needs new things to bitch about. It seems like he’s obsessed with his mom and wife (ex-wife? I can’t keep track).

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by The Alaskan on Oct 21, 2008 4:06 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Kind of goes back to my other comment about AC/DC.

Artists that write about basic stuff (women, cars, partying) can crank out stuff forever. People that are writing about their own hardship and suffering tend to run out of material pretty quickly once they hit the big time.

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by Thingray on Oct 21, 2008 4:14 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes. But either way, I get tired of it.

I’m just as tired of ACDC as I am of Eminem.

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by The Alaskan on Oct 21, 2008 4:21 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fair enough.

I’d rather listen to an entire AC/DC album than an entire Eminem album though.

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by Thingray on Oct 21, 2008 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think either of them have put out an album I want to listen to all the way through.

But I dig their greatest hits, probably about equally.

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by The Alaskan on Oct 21, 2008 4:25 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wish so very much that they had never released that album.

That’s him, but Outkast’s earlier work is absolutely groundbreaking and amazing. There were some good songs on the album but it was definitely a “we don’t want to do this any more so let’s strike while the iron is hot and make a lot of money while we still can” sort of record.

J.K.L.

by acblue on Oct 21, 2008 3:21 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I liked it for about five minutes.

I now hate it more than any other song by any musician whose overall body of work I have ever liked.

J.K.L.

by acblue on Oct 21, 2008 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hey Ya.

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by The Alaskan on Oct 21, 2008 4:07 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Whatever (no offense).

Shows you how much I like the song.

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by Thingray on Oct 21, 2008 4:15 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It does. I like it a lot.

It boggles my mind to think that so many folks don’t.

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by The Alaskan on Oct 21, 2008 4:18 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I hate it because I heard it 700 billion times over a two month period.

Also because anytime I mention my love for Outkast people say “Yeah, Hey Ya is a great song!”

J.K.L.

by acblue on Oct 21, 2008 4:21 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

For Outkast, I have to go with "Bombs Over Baghdad"

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by The Alaskan on Oct 21, 2008 4:21 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I've only ever heard "Hey Ya"

And it seems like a bunch of annoying gibberish to me. But I’ve heard their other stuff is much better so I’ll give them a break.

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by Thingray on Oct 21, 2008 4:23 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

This could be a good topic.

Worst all time “Let’s change our sound to make money” bands.

I nominate Sugar Ray and Good Charlotte.

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by thewyrm on Oct 21, 2008 3:33 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

No.

See: Sugar Ray/Good Charlotte

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by thewyrm on Oct 21, 2008 3:34 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's why I was wondering

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by pdb on Oct 21, 2008 3:35 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Then I nominate Stone Temple Pilots.

They’ve ripped off every sound that has ever even been remotely possible – when they ripped off Redd Kross with “Big Bang Baby”.

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by pdb on Oct 21, 2008 3:39 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

that was an awkward sentence

“ever even been remotely possible – proven when they….”

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by pdb on Oct 21, 2008 3:39 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That album got me all stoked up for a return to glory.

Then that next one (own it, don’t remember it, won’t ever listen to it again) pissed me off. Scott Weiland singing about how great his wife/life/kid is? All soft and touchy feely? Really? When the fuck did STP ever think I listened to them for anything but feed my anger?

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by dpseadv on Oct 21, 2008 7:21 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The first Sugar Ray album wasn't terrible.

It wasn’t good, but it wasn’t nearly as bad as the treacle they released later on.

J.K.L.

by acblue on Oct 21, 2008 3:38 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It would have been fine if they had a lead singer

who practiced singing instead of doing his hair.

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by kevin_ess on Oct 21, 2008 3:46 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

oooh good one

Better Way Down is an awesome song. The rest of their glam stuff…not so much.

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by pdb on Oct 21, 2008 3:41 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was absolutely obsessed with the Makers.

Psychopathia Sexualis was the first record I ever went to the store to buy on the day it came out. Then I got the record home and said “wait, since when is Michael Maker Prince?” And then I put it on. At that point I had never been more disillusioned.

J.K.L.

by acblue on Oct 21, 2008 3:43 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I used to run into Mike Maker a lot when they moved to Seattle

every time I saw him I just wanted to laugh, because it’d be at QFC at 2pm or something and he’d be all dressed like Mike Maker, down to the big sunglasses, big hair, and white belt. It got to be such a joke that one of my friends actually got a white belt given to him for a birthday present, because we’d always make fun of Mike Maker’s white belt.

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by pdb on Oct 21, 2008 3:46 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, at least he lived it.

They looked so much better when they were a turned-down-to-8 version of what they became.

J.K.L.

by acblue on Oct 21, 2008 3:48 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Although Ian Svenonious looks just as ridiculous.

And I still think he’s the bee’s knees. Probably because his music never sucked.

J.K.L.

by acblue on Oct 21, 2008 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ian Svenonius is ridiculous

Sorry, just totally agreeing on the Makers thing. I still play “Not a Social Kind of Guy” and “Turn it On” and many people can’t believe it’s the same band that later made… other stuff.

Seriously though, Ian Svenonius is pretty ridiculous.

by marc w on Oct 21, 2008 4:47 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think it's in-bounds to like the Make-Up and yet

acknowledge that Ian Svenonius is pretty ridiculous.

by marc w on Oct 21, 2008 4:58 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Adorably ridiculous.

There’s an interview he did with Calvin Johnson on Vice TV right now and it’s pretty much the most adorable, self-consciously pretentious thing ever.

J.K.L.

by acblue on Oct 21, 2008 5:00 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The same can sort of be said for later Rocket From the Crypt albums.

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by kevin_ess on Oct 21, 2008 3:47 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

whoa now you're just talking crazy talk.

Define “later”. Live From Camp X-Ray is a great album.

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by pdb on Oct 21, 2008 3:48 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I guess I liked their more unpolished stuff.

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by kevin_ess on Oct 21, 2008 3:54 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I tend to agree with most bands

but I really liked the “shiny” RFTC stuff. I think just because it was somehow…brawnier than most bands’ “polished” output. And no matter what, you knew they were going to put on a ferocious live show. I miss that band.

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by pdb on Oct 21, 2008 3:56 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'll give you that.

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by kevin_ess on Oct 21, 2008 4:09 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Everclear.

Their first album (World of Noise) was stellar. I played a few shows with them during that time. Then they were sign to a major, and as solid as that album was, I knew it was the beginning of the end.

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by kevin_ess on Oct 21, 2008 3:34 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sugar Ray definitely qualifies.

The last Outkast records wasn’t as bad, because Big Boi did the record he had always wanted to do and Andre did the record he had always wanted to do. The problem was that Outkast was amazing because they balanced each other out so well. Andre’s loopy, psychadelic pop sensibilities paired with Big Boi’s mastery of very raw, very grassroots southern hip hop made for a unique sound that couldn’t have been dreamed up by anyone. When they were allowed to do their own thing they lost a lot of that.

J.K.L.

by acblue on Oct 21, 2008 3:38 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

WTF?

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by Thingray on Oct 21, 2008 3:32 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

the mind boggles, it does.

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by pdb on Oct 21, 2008 3:34 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Let me redeem myself

I just conned the IT guys into giving me a second 22" monitor!

by seattlebruin on Oct 21, 2008 3:35 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

So you can talk to Coach full-time?

Awesome. And before you ask, yes, the shit-giving capacity of that little slip will last a day or so.

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by pdb on Oct 21, 2008 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

No kidding!

Man do I love midgets.

by Thingray on Oct 21, 2008 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh, the Hilarity!

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by PositivePaul on Oct 21, 2008 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

It's easy.

I don’t like puns. I REALLY don’t like puns. I’m not anti-manatee, though.

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Oct 21, 2008 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

So you hate puns in part because of that image and you dislike that image because you dislike puns

and why do you dislike puns? Because of images like that. And why do you dislike images like that? Because you dislike puns (etc…)

It’s a vicious circle

by Fogel on Oct 21, 2008 4:11 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

my head hurts now

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by pdb on Oct 21, 2008 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

oddly enough, I am a huge fan of Rocky and Bullwinkle

so I guess I should quantify “I really don’t like puns” into “I really don’t like puns most of the time”.

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Oct 21, 2008 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

One of the customers at my old company was Ali Fuckher.

And we have Rong Wang and Wen-Long Dong as customers here.

Man do I love midgets.

by Thingray on Oct 21, 2008 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I had a client named Pat Cockburn.

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by kevin_ess on Oct 21, 2008 3:55 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

There was a Sgt. Bacon that was a Lynnwood cop when I was growing up.

My first job I had was at Arby’s, he came through the drive-thru and ordered a bacon-cheddar, and I just about lost it.

Man do I love midgets.

by Thingray on Oct 21, 2008 4:03 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I like it.

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Oct 21, 2008 4:05 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The best part was that few of the cops ever seemed to notice that we were making fun of them

and the ones that did knew they couldn’t really complain about getting free bacon.

J.K.L.

by acblue on Oct 21, 2008 4:11 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I went to the drive through at a McDonald's a couple weeks ago.

I pulled up to the window and the person asked me if I would be interested in a certain meal or whatever, and I said no and gave my order. I heard no answer. I waited about a minute and pulled around. Nobody was at the first window. Ok, so I go to the second window and all I can see is some guy pulling out the tills.

“We’re closed,” he says.
“But I just talked to someone and gave an —”
“That was a recording.”

by Two Rs and Two Ls on Oct 21, 2008 4:11 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Naw, that's McDirtbowls.

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by kevin_ess on Oct 21, 2008 4:26 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Jesus pleasus they need a way to give a rec to a thread.

I almost said rec a thread, but that happens often enough.

"Sorry I hit you in the helmet Hank, I meant to hit you in the neck." Stan Williams to Hank Aaron.

by dpseadv on Oct 21, 2008 7:26 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

This seems useful.

Link

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by kevin_ess on Oct 21, 2008 4:25 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I aim to please.

Enjoy your health salad.

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by kevin_ess on Oct 21, 2008 4:50 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

*healthy

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by kevin_ess on Oct 21, 2008 4:52 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

royalcurve: If you're still looking for suggestions for movies

I suggest The Court Jester. It’s a pretty fun movie from the 50’s

by Fogel on Oct 21, 2008 4:32 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

And I suggest Delicatessen, if you haven't seen it.

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by kevin_ess on Oct 21, 2008 4:34 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

This.

One of my favorite all-time movies in high school/college, but I watched it recently, and I still love it.

by marc w on Oct 21, 2008 4:50 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks boys!

Love Delicatessen, have never seen The Court Jester. Onto the list it goes!

by royalcurve on Oct 21, 2008 5:55 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Crossword Complete

It should be noted that I took a few hours away from it to work on a midterm and take notes in class.

by Two Rs and Two Ls on Oct 21, 2008 4:32 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Hotwire.com is amazing

For $33 I’m staying in a hotel I’d normally expect to pay $70-$80 for

Determined, Jonesing Commentor | Proud proprietor of Washingtonhighways.org

by I'm NOT Corco on Oct 21, 2008 4:43 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

And fewer gunshots!

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by kevin_ess on Oct 21, 2008 4:51 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly

I’m really stoked on this- any hotel room that’s clean, reasonably new, has cable and free wireless, and is in a decent looking neighborhood is automatically worth at least $75. For $33 I’m a happy camper

Determined, Jonesing Commentor | Proud proprietor of Washingtonhighways.org

by I'm NOT Corco on Oct 21, 2008 5:03 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Caprisun:

Stab the straw where they tell you too, or stab the bottom?

Fear the NPE

by thewyrm on Oct 21, 2008 4:57 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I always fight with the top.

At least that way you can set it down if you want to. But why on earth are you drinking Capri Sun anyway?

Man do I love midgets.

by Thingray on Oct 21, 2008 4:59 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dude, I'm in Prudhoe Bay, Alaska.

I can’t exaclty cruise down to Taco Bell for a large Baja Blast.

Fear the NPE

by thewyrm on Oct 21, 2008 5:02 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think I'd still rather drink the seawater.

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by kevin_ess on Oct 21, 2008 5:35 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Remind me who Daniel Craig is..

Is he the new James Bond guy?

Man do I love midgets.

by Thingray on Oct 21, 2008 5:00 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah.

Casino Royale was pretty damn awesome if you haven’t seen it. Incidentally, I’d heard Kevin McKidd (from Rome) is going to be Thor, although I’m really not sure why I remember this.

by Liebkartoffel on Oct 21, 2008 5:03 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Had the chance to see it on a bus

but I spent the time marginally flirting with a girl while going from St. Louis to Chicago.

by Two Rs and Two Ls on Oct 21, 2008 5:09 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Haven't seen it yet. I keep trying to convince my fiancee to watch it one night,

but she’s not a Bond fan. I keep telling her it’s not like the “shaken not stirred” Bond films, but that hasn’t worked yet.

Man do I love midgets.

by Thingray on Oct 21, 2008 5:22 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Definitely not.

They actually bother with stuff that has been largely ignored in previous Bond movies, like characterization and believable plot development. I’m actually really looking forward to Quantum of Solace (okay, I’m a huge Bond geek and would have been looking forward to it anyway, but now I get the feeling I’m actually going to see a legitimate film).

by Liebkartoffel on Oct 21, 2008 5:30 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Argh adhgtoihg !!! I miss the best conversations.

Bond, more Bond!! Man I love the first 3 movies. Thunderball is way over the top, but then again I think that was the first time sharks were used on Bond, so you can’t ignore that. And Tom Jones!! Awesome intro song. I don’t know, Daniel Craig is kicking ass and it needed it, but Dr. No was pretty cool for the day. Hmmm, this is giving me ideas for a OT thread.

"Sorry I hit you in the helmet Hank, I meant to hit you in the neck." Stan Williams to Hank Aaron.

by dpseadv on Oct 21, 2008 7:35 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Also there was a screening of Watchmen recently in Portland.

To this I say fuck you Portland. Fuck you in your stupid ass.

Fear the NPE

by thewyrm on Oct 21, 2008 5:08 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

That's a disappointment.

I have a couple friends who keep pestering me to read the comic and it seems pretty awesome.

by Liebkartoffel on Oct 21, 2008 5:32 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hmmm, acctually, I put in too many "heavily".

But is needs editing something fierce, because it draaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaagged.

54!

by joof on Oct 21, 2008 5:34 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I just watched "The Assassination of Jesse James by the Coward Robert Ford"

Great movie, but it could easily have been 40 minutes shorter—and still been two hours long.

by Liebkartoffel on Oct 21, 2008 5:36 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

So you only like the previews, huh?

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by kevin_ess on Oct 21, 2008 5:52 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm with you there.

Hate theaters. I wind up next to a gaggle of cackling high school girls, or some guy that hasn’t washed his feet since Macgyver was running fresh episodes.

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by kevin_ess on Oct 21, 2008 7:59 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

New Rock Band 2 content day

It’s actually good today. The 7 least popular tracks from Nevermind.

by Mariner John on Oct 21, 2008 5:22 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Yet, the 7 best racks as well.

Funny how that works.

Fear the NPE

by thewyrm on Oct 21, 2008 5:25 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Tracks.

the 7 best racks have little to do with Nirvana.

Fear the NPE

by thewyrm on Oct 21, 2008 5:26 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You are very correct here.

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by kevin_ess on Oct 21, 2008 5:37 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah. Stick around.

I’m busy creating SevenBestCoatRacks.com as I type this. Those things are incredible. See you on the other side!

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by kevin_ess on Oct 21, 2008 5:46 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

My two-and-a-half-year-old has is currently watching School of Rock,

and has watched it every night the past three or four nights. I’m so proud. Soon he’ll be ready for Spinal Tap.

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by kevin_ess on Oct 21, 2008 5:48 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Strike the has above.

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by kevin_ess on Oct 21, 2008 5:49 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bass, but I love you still.

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by kevin_ess on Oct 21, 2008 8:57 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I want to make a new otfotd for tomorrow right now, but I'm chicken. And it's early yet.

But I want it to spur more conversation. I’m torn.

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by kevin_ess on Oct 21, 2008 8:05 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

God you guys suck.

The one fucking night I’m able to tear my wife from the computer, and you’re all gone. Well, here’s to you, wine.

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by kevin_ess on Oct 21, 2008 8:23 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Where?

I love pub quiz.
I don’t live in Seattle, mind you, but there are times I go to Ballard for a show…

Oh, and Kevin, go for it – if nothing else, your questions will probably spark conversation or dogmatic assertions from me.

by marc w on Oct 21, 2008 9:43 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hah! An LL online quiz... only cheating... crap...

"Sorry I hit you in the helmet Hank, I meant to hit you in the neck." Stan Williams to Hank Aaron.

by dpseadv on Oct 21, 2008 10:02 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Then just wait...

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by kevin_ess on Oct 21, 2008 10:06 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ima...ima PREEMPT you BITCH!

No, seriously, go ahead. I’m fine. I have NOT had too much, fuck off.

by marc w on Oct 21, 2008 10:11 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Done.

Early and diiirty.

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by kevin_ess on Oct 21, 2008 10:32 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Umm, Portsmouth Pizza and Pub in North Portland

It’s something we do every Tuesday. Last week our 6 week winning streak was shattered!

54!

by joof on Oct 21, 2008 9:53 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You may not make a new OTFPOTD before midnight

official LL rules, sorry.

But you are strongly encouraged to make one after midnight or anytime thereafter!!

by seattlebruin on Oct 21, 2008 10:14 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Too late. Sorry to break rules, but mine should be fun.

Fuck midnight – I haven’t seen her in a while. Call me a rebel.

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by kevin_ess on Oct 21, 2008 10:33 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Better than a Mariner. I'll take it.

At least I can harvest the seeds and make them useful. Much less with our unfortunate organization.

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by kevin_ess on Oct 21, 2008 10:45 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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