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Chicago White Sox @ Tampa Bay Rays

10/02/08 11:37 AM PDT

Chicago White Sox Tampa Bay Rays
Orlando Cabrera - SS Akinori Iwamura - 2B
Dewayne Wise - LF B.J. Upton - CF
Jermaine Dye - RF Carlos Pena - 1B
Jim Thome - DH Evan Longoria - 3B
Paul Konerko - 1B Carl Crawford - LF
Ken Griffey Jr. - "CF" Cliff Floyd - DH
Alexei Ramirez - 2B Dioner Navarro - C
AJ Pierzynski - C Gabe Gross - RF
Juan Uribe - 3B Jason Bartlett - SS

W-L G GS CG SHO SV BS IP H R ER HR BB K ERA WHIP
2008 - James Shields 14-8 33 33 3 2 0 0 215.0 208 94 85 24 40 160 3.56 1.15

W-L G GS CG SHO SV BS IP H R ER HR BB K ERA WHIP
2008 - Javier Vazquez 12-16 33 33 1 0 0 0 208.1 214 113 108 25 61 200 4.67 1.32

When Ray Bourque finally won his championship, he was still a good player and actually worked hard to earn it. So dammit Griffey, if your stupid White Sox end up winning this series, it had better be because you did something fucking majestic. This I'm-terrible-and-simply-riding-the-coattails act is embarrassing for everybody.

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After watching tons of Reds games this year,

I’d say that Griffey cost more runs from RF then he does from CF.

It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray

by Faux on Oct 2, 2008 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Say what you will (and most of it is true)

I would be happy for him if he finally got his ring. He may suck now, but he was the greatest I ever saw play (in person) back in his prime. You never left to go to the bathroom if Jr was coming up to bat.

I'm back to liking midgets too much.

by Thingray on Oct 2, 2008 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Griffey was indeed fantastic

it’s just a shame that his shot at a title is coming when he’s fat and worthless.

by Jeff on Oct 2, 2008 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I've been saying this for a while now.

I don’t care about him getting a ring if he’s not a useful player.

9=8

by JI on Oct 2, 2008 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

He's not fat...

I hope to look like that when I’m 63 like Griffey.

Cuba Si! Yanqi No!

by Patrick517 on Oct 2, 2008 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I saw that.

I’d still love it if he could somehow make a great catch, or get a key hit to end up with a ring. I’m nostalgic like that.

I'm back to liking midgets too much.

by Thingray on Oct 2, 2008 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'd really like this too.

Bring back José Cruz Jr!

by darmok on Oct 2, 2008 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

He's an icon. I'm rooting for the Rays, but if the White Sox win, all bets are off.

I don’t like the White Sox but Junior is the best sports icon we’ve ever had in Seattle. .750 OPS level lead glove or not, I would love to see him get the ring he deserves.

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by BrettJMiller on Oct 2, 2008 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

He's one of the top 20 players of all time.

Even if it’s just because of what he’s done in the past, he deserves it.

Yesterday's Pants
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by BrettJMiller on Oct 2, 2008 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

No he's not

I know you like him a lot, but there are a lot of great players who never won a championship.

9=8

by JI on Oct 2, 2008 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That doesn't mean great players that never won a championship didn't deserve to.

What 20 players are better?

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by BrettJMiller on Oct 2, 2008 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Amen.

I'm back to liking midgets too much.

by Thingray on Oct 2, 2008 12:05 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

hmm

Ruth, Gerhig, Mantle, Mays, Musial, A-Rod, Honus Wagner, Bench, Morgan, Bonds, Ted Williams, Cobb, Aaron, Frank Robinson, Schmidt, Matthews, Snider, Clemens, Maddux, Johnson,

That’s off the top of my head

9=8

by JI on Oct 2, 2008 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

His career deserves the ring

Griffey has really put in enough to earn a championship. It’s just too bad that if he does it, it’ll be when he’s embarrassingly bad.

by Jeff on Oct 2, 2008 12:09 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You're right

Griffey is among them.

I’m not rooting for the White Sox or anything. But if they win, hey, good for the guy.

by Jeff on Oct 2, 2008 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, you either have to hate them both or love them both.

It’s hypocritical otherwise, I think. I want both of them to get their ring. The best players to play the game deserve their due.

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by BrettJMiller on Oct 2, 2008 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't know about that

I mean come on, A-Rod had 5 full years here, and he’s going into the hall as a Yankee when its all said and done. Griffey had 11 HOF years here and has done nothing since.

by ack on Oct 2, 2008 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cool

the A-Rod bashing pisses me off too. Although its not just seattle fans that do that of course

by ack on Oct 2, 2008 12:32 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's just stupid fans that do that.

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by BrettJMiller on Oct 2, 2008 12:32 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Of course

but then A-Rod did a lot more for us than he did for most other cities in the league.

by Jeff on Oct 2, 2008 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah he was pretty freaking awesome

Even if 99% of M’s fans seem to block this from their memory

by ack on Oct 2, 2008 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I hate him for the Boeing thing

not for taking a huge payday from Texas.

by Matthew on Oct 2, 2008 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Anyone would have taken the payday.

But as far as that Boeing thing goes, what the hell Alex?

by BrianL on Oct 2, 2008 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

So A-Rod was totally worth the money Texas gave to him, right?

Or at least close to it, I’d imagine. Hell, I’d have given Bloomquist $25 mil a year if it meant the M’s couldn’t hamstring themselves with stupid contracts like they’ve done recently

by ack on Oct 2, 2008 12:45 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The answer to your first question is yes.

The willie thing is remarkably stupid, even for hyperbole.

by Matthew on Oct 2, 2008 12:46 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Lighten up

I was exaggerating just a bit, as you noted

by ack on Oct 2, 2008 12:51 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I bash A-Rod because I don't like him.

He’s like a boring robot. If I never had to hear him speak, or see him in a commercial or on SportsCenter, I’d be fine with that.

He’s an absolutely amazing player, maybe the best of our generation I respect him as a player, but I don’t have to like him.

I'm back to liking midgets too much.

by Thingray on Oct 2, 2008 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

See I agree with this.

To me it seems like he’d get Vidro’s 2007 OPS in a different way as a DH. But when he plays the field he’s such a detriment. But I mean he’s got a 21% LD rate. Even if his power is gone, I think he can still run a .750-.780 OPS. That’s good enough for some dumb team that’s not as dumb as the White Sox to use him as a DH where he’s only below average instead of incredibly horrible. It sucks that his only chance to get a ring is when he’s terrible…but if he got one I’d still be happy.

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by BrettJMiller on Oct 2, 2008 12:12 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's why I said stupid team

Yesterday's Pants
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by BrettJMiller on Oct 2, 2008 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Actually I said dumb team.

I am an idiot.

Yesterday's Pants
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by BrettJMiller on Oct 2, 2008 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Calling an 11 inning no hitter by Shields.

Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.

by P Brady on Oct 2, 2008 10:35 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Their 2B is a communist too.

Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.

by P Brady on Oct 2, 2008 10:40 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Technically, Vasquez is their best pitcher though.

Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.

by P Brady on Oct 2, 2008 10:41 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Though Danks is pretty close.

Buehrle’s 3rd.

And Buehrle’s a poor man’s Jon Lester.

by marc w on Oct 2, 2008 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Today's fun fact

Griffey as a CF: replacement-level
Griffey as a LF/RF: replacement-level
Griffey as a DH: ~0.5 WAR

by Jeff on Oct 2, 2008 10:47 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Without crunching numbers

He has to worse on just a skill basis: he has significantly less power, and significantly less defensive value.

9=8

by JI on Oct 2, 2008 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, his bat ended up ~average

so it comes down to how bad his defense is. I know it’s horrid, but wouldn’t Daric Barton (15 runs below avg at 1B!) and Wily Mo give him a run for that title?

by Matthew on Oct 2, 2008 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ah,

I was just going by performance.

by Matthew on Oct 2, 2008 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Call me stupid

but I am going to harbor some hope that Yuni comes back in 2009 about 15 pounds of fat lighter. If Raul is serious about Yuni joining him for an offseason of workouts, we might get passable Yuni back.

by Matthew on Oct 2, 2008 10:53 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I see no reason to trade Lopez

unless you get something awesome in return.

by Matthew on Oct 2, 2008 10:55 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

But Furcal would look almost as good in blue as he would in red.

9=8

by JI on Oct 2, 2008 10:55 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yuni becomes backup?

It’s not like he’s expensive

by Matthew on Oct 2, 2008 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

With as many holes as we have

it’d be retarded to keep him on the bench when we a hemorrhaging elsewhere

9=8

by JI on Oct 2, 2008 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I've been on record hundreds of times

saying I want them to trade Yuni if they can get something for him. I just doubt they can this winter.

by Matthew on Oct 2, 2008 11:06 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

They're not going to sign Furcal

So I don’t see how it makes sense to be realistic on this end, while we’re playing fantasy baseball on the other.

9=8

by JI on Oct 2, 2008 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Ms can afford to sign Furcal.

It’s isn’t fantasy baseball to speculate on what the Ms could do in reality. Speculating on what they will/will not do is more fantasy than this.

by Matthew on Oct 2, 2008 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It doesn't make sense to hold on to Yuni in this situation

unless you are being offered nothing in return. The Mariners just don’t bench regulars like that. They move them elsewhere.

9=8

by JI on Oct 2, 2008 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

What the Mariners did in the past

is not an indicator of what they will do in the future given a potentially new front office.

by Matthew on Oct 2, 2008 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The reason I try to move both of them

is that they are two somewhat lazy players who are the most hacktastic hitters in a terrible hacktastic offense. Signing Fucal solves one spot, and if you convert Lopez’s power into a lefthanded or switch hitter that can get on base you it to change the culture of this team.

As for Yuni, if you can’t get value that’s one thing, but if you can you should trade him because it’s wrong to block a guy who could play everyday. A lost season endangers his career.

9=8

by JI on Oct 2, 2008 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not disagreeing.

I never said don’t try to trade them. I said you don’t have to.

by Matthew on Oct 2, 2008 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

D'awwww.

Now put a picture of Yuni next to him.

by BrianL on Oct 2, 2008 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

...

Ahem.

It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray

by Faux on Oct 2, 2008 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'd rather potentially waste a little resource (Yuni)

and for sure have Furcal on the team then either
-wait on signing Furcal until you trade Lopez thereby risking not signing Furcal afterwards
or
-sign Furcal and then trade Lopez no matter what because you’re unwilling to put Yuni on the bench

by Matthew on Oct 2, 2008 11:05 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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by Jeff on Oct 2, 2008 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ahaha it probably also sends an email to your IT people.

Websense is a bitch.

It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray

by Faux on Oct 2, 2008 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Damn - I have it set up at home so I can route my browser through an IP

in Taiwan. If anyone has any good, working foreign IP/port combos, it’d be appreciated if you can send them along. I can’t access the lists due to filters here.

the other angels fan

by Eyebrows on Oct 2, 2008 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

ooh, Mascot Hi-Jinks.

whatever the hell the Ray’s mascot is was dragging around a stuffed WhiteSox player (which appeared to have Ozzie’s face); in retaliation, Dotel took a Mascot doll and Buehrle ran over it with the Mascot’s ATV, nad abonded said ATV in the outfield.

quality entertainment.

by msb on Oct 2, 2008 11:35 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Griffey in center too

honestly, they’re not very good, probably the worst playoff team

9=8

by JI on Oct 2, 2008 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Precisely the reason for the first time in my life I'm rooting against him.

The big fucking baby wanted to play center so bad he’ll ruin his team’s chances of winning. I may never root for another player like I rooted for Junior back in the day, but he really pissed me off this year and I’ve never wanted stupid roster construction to fail more.

by Double06 on Oct 2, 2008 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe I may have misunderstood.

But I still want bad general management to be denied rewards.

by Double06 on Oct 2, 2008 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Carlos Quentin injury forced their hand...

It’s either Griffey or Swisher out there and they both suck

Cuba Si! Yanqi No!

by Patrick517 on Oct 2, 2008 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

True

but they have to put one or the other out there somewhere.

Cuba Si! Yanqi No!

by Patrick517 on Oct 2, 2008 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

MWUAHAHAHAHA

DEADLY CHANGE MUTHAFUCKA

by Double06 on Oct 2, 2008 11:40 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

It's because it's one of three channels shoehorned into a two channel QAM.

It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray

by Faux on Oct 2, 2008 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

No, it's because there's no HD feed on Comcast

if a game goes OT and gets another one bumped to TNT we get to see the glorious beautiful pictures for half an inning or so. I have seen the promised land dammit.

9=8

by JI on Oct 2, 2008 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

OIC.

I thought all the cable systems fixed that after the outrage last year.

It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray

by Faux on Oct 2, 2008 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

But I've noticed that the local news channels are advertising "Broadcast in HD"

which is so incredibly misleading considering their newscast isnt filmed in HD, just 16:9

9=8

by JI on Oct 2, 2008 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

so ...

we’re in for two plus hours of watching Ozzie spit seeds?

by msb on Oct 2, 2008 11:49 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

like a good assistant

Li’l Joey has taken up Ozzie’s spot on the rail

by msb on Oct 2, 2008 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

He really is.

Bring back José Cruz Jr!

by darmok on Oct 2, 2008 12:05 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Actually

I’d really like to see the Sox win this. I can’t help it.

Bring back José Cruz Jr!

by darmok on Oct 2, 2008 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs