Some Quick Thoughts On Wilkerson
- Don't pay much attention to all the versatility talk - Wilkerson's being brought in to be the starting right fielder. For all intents and purposes, Adam Jones is no longer a Mariner.
- Wilkerson's coming in on a small contract ($3m + incentives), and if we weren't the only team offering him a starting job, we were definitely one of the few. So his level of job security should be pretty low. If he's not platooned with Wlad right out of ST, it'll still be a constant possibility, and should Wlad start to tear it up then Wilkerson will probably need to flip out in order to avoid a drop in playing time. Unless the team decides to focus on his veteran status, in which case, um.
- In his peak, Wilkerson was a strong offensive player. That peak is not coming back. What he is right now is a low-BA bat with above-average power, a patient approach, and a shit-ton of strikeouts. The left-handedness is a valuable asset, as are the walks, but he's not the kind of guy who's ever going to carry the lineup, and he's really close to the end. I'm not going to predict doom and gloom, because I think he could be decent, but if he turns into 2007 Richie Sexson, don't say you weren't warned. It's a very real possibility.
- Defensively, he used to be all right, having logged a bunch of time in center for the Expos. But over time his body started to come apart, and at this point he's no longer a good glove. I recently called him ~average, but after going through the numbers, I think average is probably his upside. Seems to me he's more like -15 < x < -5, with 0 only attainable if he somehow stays in good health all year. He'll still probably represent a defensive improvement over Guillen, whose numbers slipped due to some lower-body issues.
I don't hate this move. I mean, I hate that it's happening because we're trading Adam Jones, but ignoring everything else, Wilkerson's okay, and might have represented the best RF still on the market. If he can stay healthy enough and take a little advantage of the right field porch, he'll have been a good find at a low price, much like Guillen a year ago. And if he sucks, then in theory we can either give him the boot or send him to the bench.
But with that said, this move is still dangerous. Wilkerson's never going to get back to his peak, but he could very possibly end up a big bag of suck, a black hole in a lineup that already has too many question marks. The benefit of this being a cheap one-year contract is that it won't kill us if we have to let him go, but this year's Mariners are going to need every win they can get, so they can ill afford to run with a problem RF for however long it takes them to get help. For our own sake, we better hope that Wlad takes some major steps forward pretty quick, just to be safe. Because the only guarantee anyone can make about Brad Wilkerson is that he's going to pile up the strikeouts. Everything else is up in the air.
The casual fan is not going to like Brad Wilkerson. Here's hoping he doesn't give us reason to agree with them.
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Wilkerson > Jones
He's been through the wars!
by PLU Tim on Jan 31, 2008 5:48 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Hmmm...
by PositivePaul on Jan 31, 2008 5:52 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
PETAGINE!
by I'm NOT Corco on Jan 31, 2008 5:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It's too bad
by MfaninAlaska on Jan 31, 2008 6:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't see him being Everett-bad (72 OPS+)
by Katal LM on Jan 31, 2008 6:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hooray!
Call me irrational, but I have a really good feeling about this. If he hits .250 (his career average, on the nose), he'll have an OPS over over .800 - my wild prediction of 2008.
by BakedAK on Jan 31, 2008 6:36 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
SPEED HELPS
Of course the probably could use both and move Raul somewhere.
by BOGUS on Jan 31, 2008 6:57 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Sexson and Wilkerson in the same lineup
by kentroyals5 on Jan 31, 2008 7:08 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Wind Power
by AIS on Jan 31, 2008 8:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Bluegrass Brad!
by Deanna on Jan 31, 2008 7:14 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
The thing about this
by Mere Tantalisers on Jan 31, 2008 7:23 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
potential for platoon with wlad....
by larrybowa on Jan 31, 2008 7:23 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Let's be realistic here. The Mariners are much
A blog-thingy about the Mariners and stuff.
by BrettJMiller on Jan 31, 2008 7:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
of course not
by larrybowa on Jan 31, 2008 7:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, Raul obviously makes more sense
by Jeff on Jan 31, 2008 8:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't like Wilkerson
by Edgar for Pres on Jan 31, 2008 7:47 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Guillen
by batura on Jan 31, 2008 8:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Resigning Ichiro?
by Coach Owens on Jan 31, 2008 9:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't give Bavasi credit for resignings
Also, Beltre was great, but I think he got Beltre for the wrong reasons (Just off an MVP year rather than amazing third baseman).
by Librocrat on Jan 31, 2008 9:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Re-signing Ichiro was a pretty big accomplishment
by Jeff on Jan 31, 2008 9:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Here's my problem:
But knowing Ichiro is a good player that he has to keep shows know brain power, throwing money his way shows no intelligence, and not once did he have to evaluate talent or show that he understands what the team needs. Really? Try to keep Ichiro, the best player on our team? WHY?!?!?!
So maybe he used some finesse to get him to stay and below market value, but it took no intelligence on his part to know that he needs Ichiro to stay. I equate Finesse, in this case, to Grittiness and Hustle.
by Librocrat on Jan 31, 2008 11:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I could not do Bavasi's job
by Edgar for Pres on Feb 1, 2008 12:06 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
So, "intelligence"
Actually getting good players on the teams does not count?
Maybe he's a good talker. That is also a plus.
by rfloh on Feb 1, 2008 12:39 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Again
by Librocrat on Feb 1, 2008 4:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He' made a couple of nice trades
The Garcia deal (enough though it hasn't worked out they way we thought it would)
good FA deals:
re-signing Ichiro was pretty awesome
Johjima
Beltre
Batista
by MFAN on Jan 31, 2008 9:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Betancourt
by G_ on Jan 31, 2008 10:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
THE CARLOS GUILLEN TRADE SUCKED11!!1!
by PositivePaul on Jan 31, 2008 9:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I thought about that
by Edgar for Pres on Jan 31, 2008 11:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Brad WIlkerson looks like AJ Pierzynski
by Gomez on Jan 31, 2008 10:39 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Baltimore Sun
That means Butler AND Tillman.
Am I the only one who rather keep Tillman than Morrow? I dont think he is better, but I feel like we are wasting Morrow.
by Slica on Jan 31, 2008 11:38 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Oh and before I get ripped
by Slica on Jan 31, 2008 11:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Morrow Maybe
by MfaninAlaska on Jan 31, 2008 11:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't get it
by Graham on Feb 1, 2008 1:29 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He's pretty poor
by MfaninAlaska on Feb 1, 2008 8:10 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
A rookie striking out
by OBF on Feb 1, 2008 9:18 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Unlike you, I look at more than K%
by Graham on Feb 1, 2008 10:23 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Wow...
by MfaninAlaska on Feb 1, 2008 10:38 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Graham's bipolar?
by pdb on Feb 1, 2008 10:54 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
speaking of which
by marc w on Feb 1, 2008 12:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Not that I'm aware
by Graham on Feb 1, 2008 12:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
By the way, for the record
by Jeff on Feb 1, 2008 2:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
But he's still
Right now Morrow is more valuable then Tillman, because Tillman is still at least 2 years away... both have good upside, both need development, Morrow however has shown he can pitch at the major league level in a full season.
by MfaninAlaska on Feb 1, 2008 3:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think that makes him less valuable
by Graham on Feb 1, 2008 3:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
With the rotation set
I'd like to keep both, but if it means one or the other going in the proposed trade for Bedard Morrow has more value to the M's then Tillman does.
by MfaninAlaska on Feb 1, 2008 3:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Depends if you see Morrow as a useful reliever
by Graham on Feb 1, 2008 3:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
See that's what I don't get
Morrow's only draw back was his walks... he was a high strikeout guy, had a low slg against, similar LD% to JJ. The only issue he really had overall was walking guys.... is it unreasonable to believe he can improve upon that as he gets more comfortable in the majors?
by MfaninAlaska on Feb 1, 2008 3:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Here's the thing
Also, his home runs should probably jump next season.
by Graham on Feb 1, 2008 4:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Question, though...
by PositivePaul on Feb 1, 2008 4:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
Instead of trying to hit the corners he was just gunning pitches down the heart of the plate. That's not really very helpful either, because then people smack the pitch.
by Graham on Feb 1, 2008 4:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hmmm.
by PositivePaul on Feb 1, 2008 4:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Young Raffey, I meant...
At this point, Morrow's upside in the M's 'pen is Soriano -- that's how I see it.
by PositivePaul on Feb 1, 2008 4:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Before Soriano's last year
Did I miss some massive improvement in his pitches?
by MfaninAlaska on Feb 1, 2008 4:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Unless I misremember
by Graham on Feb 1, 2008 4:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know about the quality of it
by MfaninAlaska on Feb 1, 2008 4:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe the first time around that was the case
by Graham on Feb 1, 2008 4:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I recall hearing the same thing actually.
by Thingray on Feb 1, 2008 4:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It was all right, but fairly wild
by Jeff on Feb 1, 2008 5:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Whoops, broke the margins
by Wilder83 on Feb 1, 2008 7:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Isn't the lack of innings
by MfaninAlaska on Feb 1, 2008 4:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yep, but winter ball is not a substitute for real
by Graham on Feb 1, 2008 4:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Shut up Graham
by Edgar for Pres on Feb 2, 2008 3:37 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I guess this happens when i log
by Edgar for Pres on Feb 2, 2008 1:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
and really drunk if that wasn't clear
by Edgar for Pres on Feb 2, 2008 2:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Wrong
A blog-thingy about the Mariners and stuff.
by BrettJMiller on Feb 2, 2008 1:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
(Yes, I know it's sarcasm...so was mine)
A blog-thingy about the Mariners and stuff.
by BrettJMiller on Feb 2, 2008 1:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It might make more sense to put Morrow in AAA
by Edgar for Pres on Feb 2, 2008 2:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Morrow's more valuable to the ML team
by Jeff on Feb 1, 2008 3:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Is it my imagination or
Both are TTO players who are going to walk some, strike out a ton and hit a bunch of bombs. In fact if he stays healthy Wilk is probably the beter defender and might have a tick more power. Put me in the category of liking this move, with or without a Bedard trade (for the record I am hoping for the trade to be consummated).
by OBF on Feb 1, 2008 9:22 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Thing is,
Wilkerson is certainly the better defender. But more power? Wilkerson's career on contact SLG: 644. His on contact SLG from 2002-2004, his best years, 679
Cust career on contact SLG, in a smaller sample, yes, 807.
by rfloh on Feb 1, 2008 1:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd like to
by pdb on Feb 1, 2008 1:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
accessible knob bong
by Librocrat on Feb 1, 2008 2:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Win(ner)
by pdb on Feb 1, 2008 2:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
So....to recap while I was gone...
2.We haven't trade Jones and stuff for Bedard.
3.We traded Jones and stuff for Bedard.
4.The Twins traded Santana to the Mets for....not a whole hell of a lot.
4.Jones has a bad hip.
5.We haven't trade Jones and stuff for Bedard.
6.We signed Wilkerson to a 1 year $3M contract.
7.Jones doesn't have a bad hip.
8.We traded Jones and stuff for Bedard.
9.Santana signs a 7 year-$150.75 extension with the Mets.
10.We haven't traded Jones and stuff for Bedard.
Am I missing anything?
by Goose on Feb 1, 2008 8:46 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Yes you did
We didnt trade Adam Jones and stuff for Eric Bedard.
Jeff hates the name Jeffrey, I dont blame him.
Peter Angelos denied the trade.
Peter Angelos does not deny the trade.
Peter Angelos was in the hospital.
Peter Angelos has ego issues.
And Psych's spanish theme song from last week is better than the english one.
by Slica on Feb 1, 2008 9:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I missed last week's.
by Librocrat on Feb 1, 2008 11:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
One thing
by ThundaPC on Feb 3, 2008 2:36 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Imagine if this actually happens.
by EnglishMariner on Feb 3, 2008 2:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Shoulder, knee, hammy...
I like the closing comment of, "The casual fan is not going to like Brad Wilkerson. Here's hoping he doesn't give us reason to agree with them." Well put! :)
by BobbyMac on Feb 2, 2008 9:42 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Unrelated
by Mariner John on Feb 2, 2008 11:16 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

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