Erik Bedard Is Really Good
NOTE: I'm obviously operating under the assumption that a trade has been agreed to. If this is somehow all a bunch of bullshit, then whatever, nevermind.
That's going to be the title of every post I make for a little while, to serve as a reminder that, as much as it sucks that we're sending AJ+ (and we still don't know what the + is, and it's making me nervous) to baseball's armpit, at least the guy we're getting back is certifiably amazing. Bedard might be the best starting pitcher in baseball. Barring something unforeseen and disastrous, every single person here is going to fall in love with how incredible he is. Plus, he's Canadian, which I think is funny, even though I don't know why. So that's neat.
Incidentally, from an email discussion about the state of our pitching staff last year:
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Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 13:38:41 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Jeff Sullivan" <x>
Subject: Re: Bye-bye, Ho
To: "David Cameron" <x>
Can we trade Jones for Erik Bedard or something?
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This is a weird day for me. I mean, I don't love the trade at all, but I'm not that upset. Last year, when those two deals went down, at the time I found myself shaking and saying a lot of naughty words. There's none of that right now. I actually feel rather serene.
A big part of it is that I've been treating this as an inevitability for weeks. I mean, this trade has been poked and prodded a thousand times over, and at this point I don't think there's anything anyone could say that hasn't already been said by four other people. I've gotten so accustomed to talking and hearing about it that I guess my psychological response has been diluted over a month, instead of coming out as a focused beam of concentrated emotion the way it did last year when I was taken by surprise. Bedard still hasn't officially been traded, and already it's old hat.
But there's something else at play, here. This isn't like the Vidro/Ramirez trades, or the Sexson/Silva signings. With a lot of the players that Bavasi's brought in over the years, there've been performance concerns. I don't have any of those with Erik Bedard. Bedard is an elite-level talent, the best Mariner since Alex Rodriguez. If he's healthy (which, granted, is a legitimate concern, as Bedard's a bit fragile), he's going to be unfair. This is about as much of a certainty as it can be for any pitcher in the league.
And that's a potent salve. Were I to make a list of the pros and cons here, the pros would be considerably less scientific, but that doesn't make them any less real. I am a big fan of Erik Bedard. I do drool at the thought of having two of the top ten talents at the front of our rotation. I will enjoy having a pitcher who doesn't rely on anyone but himself to succeed. I don't think this is the smartest baseball move, but viewed from the perspective that sports are entertainment, this is going to make our team more fun to watch. That's not insignificant. Erik Bedard is a 6'1 tower of awesome that's going to keep us interested in those games against Chicago and Texas that otherwise wouldn't be the least bit compelling, and for that I'm thankful.
There's nothing to do now but watch Bedard highlights, wait for the official word, and hope that we don't end up losing too much on top of AJ. As long as we're hanging on to Clement and Triunfel, I can't imagine that the final package is going to make me feel any worse. For me, this has always been about Jones. No one else matters nearly as much.
And so we make our move in the slide puzzle that this offseason has become. One hole is filled at the expense of another. I don't like any of the options for RF, but we've known this to be an issue for as long as we've been discussing the trade, so there's no sense in belaboring the point. We'll just have to settle for Wilkerson or Wlad or someone and hope that he's able to keep himself afloat for however long the team's in contention. With luck, that'll be about seven months.
Brilliant baseball decision? I don't think so. But it's invigorating and not dull, and since there's nothing any of us can do about it, we might as well embrace the outcome. Welcome to Seattle, Erik Bedard. Don't mind the disappointment; it's nothing personal. Everybody thinks you're awesome, and here's hoping you can pitch us into October. If anyone can do it, it's you.
Fuck the Angels.
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hmm
We've got this guy named Ichiro that I'd classify as elite level talent.
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I thought about that
by Jeff Sullivan on Jan 27, 2008 8:01 PM PST up reply actions
Well
Hahaha Angels fans
fuck them
by Bearskin Rugburn on Jan 27, 2008 8:04 PM PST up reply actions
reason #42 why crack is whack
just read that
"Hunter + Garland > Bedard."
Umm...no
"Garland over Batista"
Umm...no again.
You know,
by Bearskin Rugburn on Jan 27, 2008 8:05 PM PST reply actions
Your hopes could still be dashed
Don't say shit like that!
Also,
Think about it; you're a great pitcher in his prime, you're stuck in Baltimore for another two years. Do you tell them that you're into hanging out longer, or do you tell them there;s no way to increase your chances of leaving sooner?
by Bearskin Rugburn on Jan 27, 2008 8:07 PM PST reply actions
I don't know if I want that yet
by Jeff Sullivan on Jan 27, 2008 8:12 PM PST up reply actions
His injury last year
by Bearskin Rugburn on Jan 27, 2008 8:27 PM PST up reply actions
Last year isn't it, though
by Jeff Sullivan on Jan 27, 2008 8:28 PM PST up reply actions
And the LL interview curse is offically complete.
Nageotte-DFA'd
Leone-DFA'd
Snelling-Traded
Chavez-Fired
Jones-Traded
Jeff lives in SoCal now...
-Howie Kendrick
-Brandon Wood
-Casey Kotchman
-Jered Weaver
A few questions you may want to ask
- Why do you suck so much?
- Do you feel bad about sucking so much?
- Hey, stop sucking so much.
I was only aware things went in
That last one isn't a question.
Jeff Clement was on that Tacoma team.
by Jeff Sullivan on Jan 27, 2008 8:21 PM PST up reply actions
No he's not.
by Jeff Sullivan on Jan 27, 2008 8:26 PM PST up reply actions
It's not a tree
by Mariner John on Jan 27, 2008 9:34 PM PST up reply actions
earlier today
- adam jones
- reggie willits
haha
10:07pm A blogger at SBN's Lookout Landing speculates that Jones' physical might be in Bethesda, which would mean technically MacPhail isn't lying.
mlbtraderumors.com:
by Bearskin Rugburn on Jan 27, 2008 8:29 PM PST up reply actions
Bethesda? Yuck
Ummm....
It still does not make up
Baltimore and DC are terrible places. He wont get to see Montgomery county much. As nice as Bethesda can be, it has little 'action' for a guy in his 20s.
I concede the rest of Maryland is horrid.
Capital Hill is really nice and so is Northwest D.C. There is an actual street on Capital Hill (or at least there was 4 years ago) with million dollar townhouses on one side of the street and drug/homicide infested ghetto on the other. It is quite amazing to see how the demographics are changing in the area.
Although, College Park is quite interesting where UM girls are more than happy to share how endowed they are.
I cant disagree at all
Baltimore is pure dirty. The harbor has some fun places, but its too dirty and the water looks disgusting.
I live on the Eastside of the Chesapeake and this whole area is pathetic. There is such a thing as too much farmland. It amazes me how country this state is...but there are small ghettos all over the place. I lived in one that was in the middle of nowhere. Ghetto surrounded by farmland and rednecks. Its pretty strange.
I lived in Iowa and Pullman for 5 years.
Baltimore
by BaltimoreMarinersFan on Jan 28, 2008 7:28 AM PST up reply actions
rabble
Bavasi also denying reports of a deal being done
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/jon_heyman/01/27/scoop.bedard/index.html
I'd say
(But we're going to be there soon.)
MacPhail: "We do not have an agreement with the Mariners."
("Do Not" is not the same as "Will Not". It's likely they "Do Not" have an agreement until Tuesday)
Ok so
I don't think we can fuck the angels with out some bats.
I've just been wondering about this
n/s
Thats ridiculous
Regardless of how hungry they are, im sure if McPhail and Bavasi sat down for pizza, McPhail would ask for 7 of the 8 slices, and Bavasi would give it to him.
If the pizza is Chicago style deep dish
Translation
whatever = Why would i be surprised? Bavasi is a dumbshit!
by Edgar for Pres on Jan 27, 2008 8:47 PM PST up reply actions
Who needs pitching prospects anyway?
by Jeff Sullivan on Jan 27, 2008 8:48 PM PST up reply actions
How many would we have left?
Unimpressive list.
Good greatness, why not trade Morrow (who will be a reliever now) instead of Jones? I will never understand that, regardless of how the trade looks in hindsight.
Yes, I said good greatness. Fuck the angels.
Perhaps because the Os
You can still be shocked by the Mariners?
Nothing shocks me with this team.
Jones was also said to be offlimits
This thing took 6 weeks, they must have had discussions about pretty much every possible angle. The O's desperately need a CF for the future and they can't get Pie back for Roberts then you can bet they were saying No Jones; No deal to Bill.
Decent pitching prospects that would remain:
Ramirez (only Everett experience)
Aumont (zero experience)
Paredes (only Everett experience)
Haha. Us.
by Jeff Sullivan on Jan 27, 2008 9:14 PM PST up reply actions
How could I forget Ramirez?
I havent seen enough of Paredes. Any idea which affiliate he will be in this year?
You think we could have gotten
by Edgar for Pres on Jan 27, 2008 9:21 PM PST up reply actions
Losing Tillman and GS## would be a bummer
If all these young pitchers
crap, back in High School
The one thing that will continue to eat at me
As long as Clement, Wlad, and Carlos are still in the system, I can learn to be ok with this trade. But for all the excitement that we'll get every fifth day with Bedard, we're going to be reminded how freaking stupid Bavasi is every fifth day with Silva.
I'm thinking
only if Sexson
Insurance
That doesn't mean I agree with the signing or anything. I'd have much preferred RA Dickey instead of Silva, but Bavasi must think Silva is good, so..........
I'm sorry guys...
how long has bavasi been gm? cuz he's a bonafide dumbfuck.
here's the problem i have. i worry of pulling off something like the colorado mike hampton deal. Bedard comes in and just to make him feel gravy about seattle; we toss in a monster deal. he then sucks or gets hurt. meanwhile, 3-5prospects are sent off, with one (at least) being an absolute stud.
all of which we could have had cost effective control for 5yrs. instead, we'll be in the same shape as the current orioles.
as much as we may love one player or pitcher, they will not, all of a sudden, make us a contender. there's a reason why there are 13pitchers and 12position players.
it's great to have studs like felix, bedard, ichiro, beltre at times, but u'll never win a damn thing when you have the likes of vidro, ho, sex, ibanez defense, burke, reistma, parrish, silva. especially when you give guys like jones, soriano, fruto, broussard, away.
i'm sorry guys, for all of us to have to love and hate our mariners, when they don't know wtf they're doing. meanwhile, teams like cleveland, dodgers, and even tampa, dominate us on how to rebuild and manage teams.
ok
Ned Colletti only acquired Ethier of those
by Mariner John on Jan 27, 2008 9:42 PM PST up reply actions
good point...
Jamie Burke is badass
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Gotta disagree about the Dodgers
all org's treat someone like shit
Don't worry, he's the 6th man in the trade
I'm more worried about losing Newton.
i read on mlbtraderumors
by marinerschas2 on Jan 27, 2008 10:10 PM PST up reply actions
corco
you've been traded to the Royals for a few good kansas city steaks. enjoy your farmland
by marinerschas2 on Jan 27, 2008 10:20 PM PST up reply actions
Sounds good to me
See ya
Sir Isaac Newton?
that actually makes the "5" look good
by tworsandtwols on Jan 27, 2008 9:34 PM PST up reply actions
I'd rather forego adding Roberts
by Jeff Sullivan on Jan 27, 2008 9:22 PM PST up reply actions
This is why I usually pray to Santa.
by JI on Jan 27, 2008 9:34 PM PST up reply actions
This is YOUR fault, Jeff?
I see pitchforks and torches in your future, sir.
by TIF @ Lookout Landing on Jan 27, 2008 9:29 PM PST reply actions
And maybe that phone call he got during
He told you guys that he was gonna deal AJ.
Yeah
by Jeff Sullivan on Jan 27, 2008 9:46 PM PST up reply actions
For as long as I've been blogging
by Jeff Sullivan on Jan 27, 2008 9:37 PM PST up reply actions
my first coherent post-coital thought
to be honest, I think erik bedard might have entered the subconscious before aj did. i don't know what that says. i'm telling you all my pillow thoughts instead of my wife. i don't know what that says either.
we're gonna go watch rerun of arrested development. and drink some more.
You did the right thing
Any chair throwing in your future, Jeff?
I thought for sure when Bedard started talking out negatively about Baltimore that maybe we might get some leverage and trade less. Not sure that this is the case anymore...
I can't really act too violent
by Jeff Sullivan on Jan 27, 2008 10:01 PM PST up reply actions
I'm waiting for the Danny Ainge corollary to kick
like someone said earlier
That's basically the Ainge method of winning.
word
by Uncle Ted on Jan 27, 2008 10:41 PM PST reply actions
You guys are a little bit too high on Erik
by Baltimore on Jan 28, 2008 6:47 AM PST reply actions
I never said Cabrera bounces back...
by Baltimore on Jan 28, 2008 12:12 PM PST up reply actions
I also refuse to talk to media
My question is this...
I just don't like what this could possibly lead to.
by BaltimoreMarinersFan on Jan 28, 2008 7:31 AM PST reply actions
Given the stand they supposedly took with
Good Christ this deal scares the shit out of me.
Strikeouts were up. Before last year his career K/9 was 7.88. Last year, it was 10.93. That's about a 40% increase.
Walks were down. Before last year his career BB/9 was 3.72. Last year, it was 2.82. That's an improvement of about 25%.
LOB% last year? 77.7.
BABIP? About 25 points lower than his career average.
There's no denying that Bedard is a good pitcher, but he's due for some regression.
by Phil Hatzenbuehler on Jan 28, 2008 7:33 AM PST reply actions
No he's not
by Graham MacAree on Jan 28, 2008 7:40 AM PST up reply actions
By your metric, yes.
by Phil Hatzenbuehler on Jan 28, 2008 11:08 AM PST up reply actions
I think Graham and I believe that 2007
by Jeff Sullivan on Jan 28, 2008 11:09 AM PST up reply actions
December 10th.
by Jeff Sullivan on Jan 28, 2008 11:21 AM PST up reply actions
Quick question
Also, does this make Felix the #2 starter? That's a good thing, yeah? Don't want to rip off his rotator cuff before he hits 25.
by Jake In Palo Alto on Jan 28, 2008 8:34 AM PST reply actions
Let's see
by Jeff Sullivan on Jan 28, 2008 10:09 AM PST up reply actions
Much more power
Jones hit 25hrs last year in a partial season in the most HR-suppressing park in the PCL. At 21. Despite Albuquerque, the PCL sees fewer HRs than MLB.
Put all of that together and I just don't understand how his CEILING, at age 28 or so, in MLB, isn't 35-40HRs.
Granderson has never in his career hit as many HRs as Jones did last year, in 400+ABs in the PCL. At 21.
I'm going to go throw up now.
yeah but Granderson notched 23 triples
.300/.360/.550 I think is a fine guesstimate for Jones' ceiling
That raw line is quite nice
:bleeahrrghg. hhrrrlngggk:
550 is really really high
when he was a 40 HR guy
Take that same iso and apply it to a .300 BA and :blearaeahgghghgkn:
uh, sorry about that, I thought I was over...:hrrblearrkkk:
But yes, Beltran's age 29 year is closer to his peak than Granderson. Of course, the entire package, with defense, yeah, I can sort of see that in terms of value.
I gotta stop thinking about this.
So you think Adam Jones' ceiling is higher than
I think technically it is pessimistic.
He and Granderson have different styles
Cammy is who I think he could be if he doesn't really get any better than he is right now.
by Jeff Sullivan on Jan 28, 2008 11:05 AM PST up reply actions
According to ESPN
Sadly, thats good news...
Still not enamored with Butler AND Tillman, though.
No surprise
by Jeff Sullivan on Jan 28, 2008 10:10 AM PST up reply actions
Good God
We are sending these poor souls to hell. :(
*sigh*
by Jeff Sullivan on Jan 28, 2008 10:16 AM PST up reply actions
Maybe he'll get to close
As much as I love GS52
by EnglishMariner on Jan 28, 2008 10:26 AM PST reply actions
Agreed
by Bodhizefa on Jan 28, 2008 12:31 PM PST up reply actions
According to Hickey
jebus
Just because he hasn't been informed yet
I mean, the M's aren't exactly known for their courtesy phone calls. And he never received a phone call from anyone that Silva was taking his number (he found out when his bro' called upon 'hearing' my temper tantrum on this here blog), so...
by PositivePaul on Jan 28, 2008 1:24 PM PST up reply actions
Anagrams are the haiku of 2008
I don't know.
Kind of like using too soon? as a punchline.
by Jeff Sullivan on Jan 28, 2008 4:12 PM PST up reply actions
what the fucking hell?
That's six kinds of dumb.
They're annoying because
But, kudos to you for defending the form with the form.
To the person who signed me up
I thought you'd like them.
You're welcome.
by The Alaskan on Jan 29, 2008 8:50 AM PST up reply actions
Strangely enough
I have a feeling they changed their style.
Weird.
The pentagram chalked out on the walkway?
I'll let them know you're interested. Tell them there are some folks looking for direction in their life right around the corner. I think I can get a discount on my eternal salvation if I refer 5 friends.
by The Alaskan on Jan 29, 2008 9:17 AM PST up reply actions
I like to think
I get the sense
What's in your wallet? Everlasting peace and joy, that's what! Hallelujah!
by The Alaskan on Jan 29, 2008 9:44 AM PST up reply actions
man
by seattlebruin on Jan 29, 2008 10:19 AM PST up reply actions
Well, obviously
by The Alaskan on Jan 29, 2008 10:37 AM PST up reply actions
Jeff
I know
I guess I just have to trust you fuckers.
by Jeff Sullivan on Jan 29, 2008 1:02 PM PST up reply actions
if it's not
Yeah I never got around to doing that
by Jeff Sullivan on Jan 29, 2008 2:24 PM PST up reply actions

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