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Erik Bedard Is Really Good

NOTE: I'm obviously operating under the assumption that a trade has been agreed to. If this is somehow all a bunch of bullshit, then whatever, nevermind.

That's going to be the title of every post I make for a little while, to serve as a reminder that, as much as it sucks that we're sending AJ+ (and we still don't know what the + is, and it's making me nervous) to baseball's armpit, at least the guy we're getting back is certifiably amazing. Bedard might be the best starting pitcher in baseball. Barring something unforeseen and disastrous, every single person here is going to fall in love with how incredible he is. Plus, he's Canadian, which I think is funny, even though I don't know why. So that's neat.

Incidentally, from an email discussion about the state of our pitching staff last year:

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Date:     Thu, 24 May 2007 13:38:41 -0700 (PDT)
From:    "Jeff Sullivan" <x>  
Subject:    Re: Bye-bye, Ho
To:    "David Cameron" <x>

Can we trade Jones for Erik Bedard or something?

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This is a weird day for me. I mean, I don't love the trade at all, but I'm not that upset. Last year, when those two deals went down, at the time I found myself shaking and saying a lot of naughty words. There's none of that right now. I actually feel rather serene.

A big part of it is that I've been treating this as an inevitability for weeks. I mean, this trade has been poked and prodded a thousand times over, and at this point I don't think there's anything anyone could say that hasn't already been said by four other people. I've gotten so accustomed to talking and hearing about it that I guess my psychological response has been diluted over a month, instead of coming out as a focused beam of concentrated emotion the way it did last year when I was taken by surprise. Bedard still hasn't officially been traded, and already it's old hat.

But there's something else at play, here. This isn't like the Vidro/Ramirez trades, or the Sexson/Silva signings. With a lot of the players that Bavasi's brought in over the years, there've been performance concerns. I don't have any of those with Erik Bedard. Bedard is an elite-level talent, the best Mariner since Alex Rodriguez. If he's healthy (which, granted, is a legitimate concern, as Bedard's a bit fragile), he's going to be unfair. This is about as much of a certainty as it can be for any pitcher in the league.

And that's a potent salve. Were I to make a list of the pros and cons here, the pros would be considerably less scientific, but that doesn't make them any less real. I am a big fan of Erik Bedard. I do drool at the thought of having two of the top ten talents at the front of our rotation. I will enjoy having a pitcher who doesn't rely on anyone but himself to succeed. I don't think this is the smartest baseball move, but viewed from the perspective that sports are entertainment, this is going to make our team more fun to watch. That's not insignificant. Erik Bedard is a 6'1 tower of awesome that's going to keep us interested in those games against Chicago and Texas that otherwise wouldn't be the least bit compelling, and for that I'm thankful.

There's nothing to do now but watch Bedard highlights, wait for the official word, and hope that we don't end up losing too much on top of AJ. As long as we're hanging on to Clement and Triunfel, I can't imagine that the final package is going to make me feel any worse. For me, this has always been about Jones. No one else matters nearly as much.

And so we make our move in the slide puzzle that this offseason has become. One hole is filled at the expense of another. I don't like any of the options for RF, but we've known this to be an issue for as long as we've been discussing the trade, so there's no sense in belaboring the point. We'll just have to settle for Wilkerson or Wlad or someone and hope that he's able to keep himself afloat for however long the team's in contention. With luck, that'll be about seven months.

Brilliant baseball decision? I don't think so. But it's invigorating and not dull, and since there's nothing any of us can do about it, we might as well embrace the outcome. Welcome to Seattle, Erik Bedard. Don't mind the disappointment; it's nothing personal. Everybody thinks you're awesome, and here's hoping you can pitch us into October. If anyone can do it, it's you.

Fuck the Angels.

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hmm
"Bedard is an elite-level talent, the best Mariner since Alex Rodriguez"

We've got this guy named Ichiro that I'd classify as elite level talent.

--Dave

Addicted to Quack SBN's Oregon Ducks Blog

by Addicted to Quack on Jan 27, 2008 8:00 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I thought about that
but Ichiro isn't on 2007 Erik Bedard's level.

by Jeff Sullivan on Jan 27, 2008 8:01 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Well
Everybody remembers Bavasi saying we wouldnt go with 2 rookie outfielders (Jones/Wlad) this year.. Now that Jones is gone, does that mean Wlad has a chance? Him breaking camp with the big club never really crossed my mind

by CKel on Jan 27, 2008 8:03 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Hahaha Angels fans
"...I take Lackey over Bedard, Escobar over Felix..."

by Fett42 on Jan 27, 2008 8:03 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

fuck them
fuck them right in the ear

by Bearskin Rugburn on Jan 27, 2008 8:04 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

reason #42 why crack is whack
after smoking crack you become and angles fan and say retarded crap like that
I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me.

by wadswerth on Jan 27, 2008 8:06 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Escobar over Felix??
WTF
LET WLAD BAT!!!!

by MFAN on Jan 27, 2008 8:07 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

just read that
it goes even further.

"Hunter + Garland > Bedard."

Umm...no

"Garland over Batista"

Umm...no again.

LET WLAD BAT!!!!

by MFAN on Jan 27, 2008 8:09 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

You know,
of all the things Bavasi could have done that the online fans would not want him to do, this is really  the best of them. So.

by Bearskin Rugburn on Jan 27, 2008 8:05 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Your hopes could still be dashed
"Bavasi stated Bedard, who has yet to pitch 200 innings in his career, will most likely convert to a reliever to replace the departing lefty Sherril, ensuring Horacio Ramirez will remain in the rotation."

by Fett42 on Jan 27, 2008 8:07 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Don't say shit like that!
Hard work never killed nobody, but I won't take my chances.

by JAH on Jan 27, 2008 8:16 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Also,
as long as we're trying to feel good about this, there is in fact an outside chance that Bedard signs an extension with us. I mean, that was just one quote about wanting to test free agency, and that was when he was in Baltimore. He may sing a different tune in Seattle.
Think about it; you're a great pitcher in his prime, you're stuck in Baltimore for another two years. Do you tell them that you're into hanging out longer, or do you tell them there;s no way to increase your chances of leaving sooner?

by Bearskin Rugburn on Jan 27, 2008 8:07 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I don't know if I want that yet
Bedard has to prove that he can be a little more durable.

by Jeff Sullivan on Jan 27, 2008 8:12 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

His injury last year
was nothing structural, so I don't think he is any more a risk than any other starter. Then again, I haven't watched his delivery closely, and even if I had would have nothing of value to say about it. All the same, 180 Bedard innings is something worth paying through the nose for. 220 would be better, but 180 is pretty good.

by Bearskin Rugburn on Jan 27, 2008 8:27 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Last year isn't it, though
he has a fairly long history of various wears and tears.

by Jeff Sullivan on Jan 27, 2008 8:28 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

And the LL interview curse is offically complete.
Foppert-Traded
Nageotte-DFA'd
Leone-DFA'd
Snelling-Traded
Chavez-Fired
Jones-Traded
These pretzels....are making me thirsty!

by Goose on Jan 27, 2008 8:09 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Jeff lives in SoCal now...
Next young playersin the lineup for LL interviews:

-Howie Kendrick
-Brandon Wood
-Casey Kotchman
-Jered Weaver

by Fett42 on Jan 27, 2008 8:11 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Someone interview Ho. Quick.
Vidro and Sexson too. Where the fuck is Devin?

by JLC on Jan 27, 2008 8:16 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

600 miles away...
But if I ever get within shouting distance, it is getting done.

by Devin on Jan 27, 2008 8:19 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

A few questions you may want to ask
  • Why do you suck so much?
  • Do you feel bad about sucking so much?
  • Hey, stop sucking so much.

by JLC on Jan 27, 2008 8:23 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Well, I was just going to bring a crowbar...
But I guess your way would work too.

by Devin on Jan 27, 2008 8:25 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

If you try and use that on Vidro
you'll never see your crowbar again.

by JLC on Jan 27, 2008 8:34 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I was only aware things went in
Didn't want to think about them coming out. So....thanks. Can't wait to start thinking about that again.

by JLC on Jan 27, 2008 8:43 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

That last one isn't a question.
So rephrase to: "Hey, Could you stop sucking so much?"
Babies hate me.

by CapSea on Jan 28, 2008 11:20 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

earlier today
a good friend of mine who is a big angels fan decided it would be amusing to list the up and coming outfielders in the majors to me
  1. adam jones
  2. reggie willits
i fucking hate the angels

by seattlebruin on Jan 27, 2008 8:13 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

haha
from the camden chat on the bedard jones trade...

10:07pm A blogger at SBN's Lookout Landing speculates that Jones' physical might be in Bethesda, which would mean technically MacPhail isn't lying.

I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me.

by wadswerth on Jan 27, 2008 8:17 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

mlbtraderumors.com:
an insider close to several ML organizations has said that the Orioles will be moving to Bethesda in the near future.

by Bearskin Rugburn on Jan 27, 2008 8:29 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Bethesda? Yuck
Adam Jones is going to hate Maryland. Hope he enjoys the smell of dead fish, skunks, and chicken houses. Oh, and dirty water.

by Slica on Jan 27, 2008 8:31 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Ummm....
Bethesda is one of the nicest and most expensive cities to live in the United States. I was fortunate enough to spend 6 months of my life living there.

by Wilder83 on Jan 27, 2008 8:56 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

It still does not make up
for the rest of Maryland. This place will be grating on him.

Baltimore and DC are terrible places. He wont get to see Montgomery county much. As nice as Bethesda can be, it has little 'action' for a guy in his 20s.

by Slica on Jan 27, 2008 9:00 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I concede the rest of Maryland is horrid.
The reason: D.C. is kicking the ghetto out of the city. Anacostia (Southeast D.C.) used to be a wealthy Jewish community. Today, it is ghetto, which I lived there for 6 months as well, but they are slowly buying up the area and everyone can only move out to Maryland.

Capital Hill is really nice and so is Northwest D.C.  There is an actual street on Capital Hill (or at least there was 4 years ago) with million dollar townhouses on one side of the street and drug/homicide infested ghetto on the other. It is quite amazing to see how the demographics are changing in the area.

Although, College Park is quite interesting where UM girls are more than happy to share how endowed they are.

by Wilder83 on Jan 27, 2008 9:08 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I cant disagree at all
DC amazes me. Capitol Hill is awesome...DC has some awesome spots here and there, but like night and day...one street looks great, the next street looks rundown and pitiful.

Baltimore is pure dirty. The harbor has some fun places, but its too dirty and the water looks disgusting.

I live on the Eastside of the Chesapeake and this whole area is pathetic. There is such a thing as too much farmland. It amazes me how country this state is...but there are small ghettos all over the place. I lived in one that was in the middle of nowhere. Ghetto surrounded by farmland and rednecks. Its pretty strange.

by Slica on Jan 27, 2008 9:16 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I lived in Iowa and Pullman for 5 years.
Yes, there is.
Hard work never killed nobody, but I won't take my chances.

by JAH on Jan 28, 2008 4:54 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Baltimore
Grew on me when I was living there. It's hard to explain, but I think most people who transplant there develop a love-hate relationship with the place. It's actually a great place to be in your 20s.

by BaltimoreMarinersFan on Jan 28, 2008 7:28 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

just for the record,
I'm the guy who posted that and it was somewhat tongue-in-cheek.  ;)

by zknower on Jan 28, 2008 9:29 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

rabble
in the intrest of posting things i find again...

Bavasi also denying reports of a deal being done

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/jon_heyman/01/27/scoop.bedard/index.html

I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me.

by wadswerth on Jan 27, 2008 8:30 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I'd say
Bavasi: "We're not there yet.  I can't tell you anything."

(But we're going to be there soon.)

MacPhail: "We do not have an agreement with the Mariners."

("Do Not" is not the same as "Will Not".  It's likely they "Do Not" have an agreement until Tuesday)

by ThundaPC on Jan 27, 2008 8:52 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Ok so
I'm cool with having a kick ass pitcher. Though wny thoughts on who will play right? Also who will take over for Raul when he can't hit anymore?

I don't think we can fuck the angels with out some bats.

by InSpokane on Jan 27, 2008 8:34 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I've just been wondering about this
What's up with Kyle Loshe?  Yes i'm trying to change the subject.  If he only wanted a 2 yr deal I'd give it to him instead of trading Jones for Bedard.  Just saying...

by Edgar for Pres on Jan 27, 2008 8:37 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

n/s
Chruchill says it could be Jones, Tillman, Sherill, Butler and Mickolio going to the O's.
LET WLAD BAT!!!!

by MFAN on Jan 27, 2008 8:38 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

that deal
woudlnt be the worst in the world
I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me.

by wadswerth on Jan 27, 2008 8:41 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Fuck.
BOTH Tillman and Butler? Sweet Jesus. I'm ready to get fucking pissed now.

SHIT ON A BISCUIT, that is a stupid trade. Let the PTTE fucking flow.

by JLC on Jan 27, 2008 8:41 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Thats ridiculous
Butler and Tillman? Pfft.

Regardless of how hungry they are, im sure if McPhail and Bavasi sat down for pizza, McPhail would ask for 7 of the 8 slices, and Bavasi would give it to him.

by Slica on Jan 27, 2008 8:42 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

If the pizza is Chicago style deep dish
Bavasi would win, I wouldn't want to be around someone who had 7 slices of that!
LET WLAD BAT!!!!

by MFAN on Jan 27, 2008 8:44 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Not sure
But apparently Bavasi will get some coke in return.

Not sure what 'flavor' of 'coke' it would be. But I bet it involves husky elbows and twitching the likes of Johjima's back.

by Slica on Jan 27, 2008 8:47 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Translation
Weeeeee = FUCKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK!

whatever = Why would i be surprised? Bavasi is a dumbshit!

by Edgar for Pres on Jan 27, 2008 8:47 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Who needs pitching prospects anyway?
We'll just block them in the bullpen.

by Jeff Sullivan on Jan 27, 2008 8:48 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

How many would we have left?
Aumont. Kahn? Rohbourgh? Ichiro? Feirabend.

Unimpressive list.

Good greatness, why not trade Morrow (who will be a reliever now) instead of Jones? I will never understand that, regardless of how the trade looks in hindsight.

Yes, I said good greatness. Fuck the angels.

by Slica on Jan 27, 2008 8:53 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Perhaps because the Os
wouldn't center a deal around Morrow? I'd be shocked if Bavasi didn't at least try that.

by Matthew on Jan 27, 2008 9:02 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

You can still be shocked by the Mariners?
I thought Morrow was 'offlimits'...maybe that was the consensus and not the truth? Nobody said Bavasi talked about him, and in some places, it was said Bavasi was reluctant to include him in a deal. Who knows.

Nothing shocks me with this team.

by Slica on Jan 27, 2008 9:05 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Jones was also said to be offlimits
earlier in the offseason. Things change. Bavasi said that himself.

This thing took 6 weeks, they must have had discussions about pretty much every possible angle. The O's desperately need a CF for the future and they can't get Pie back for Roberts then you can bet they were saying No Jones; No deal to Bill.

by Matthew on Jan 27, 2008 9:09 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Ramirez and Paredes
But yeah, not much after we trade Tillman AND Butler. Insanity.

by JLC on Jan 27, 2008 9:13 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Decent pitching prospects that would remain:
Morrow (stuck in bullpen forever)
Ramirez (only Everett experience)
Aumont (zero experience)
Paredes (only Everett experience)

Haha. Us.

by Jeff Sullivan on Jan 27, 2008 9:14 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

What about Fister and Nose?
Hey, come on, stop laughing. It's not that funny.

by Matthew on Jan 27, 2008 9:16 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Haha
My favorite non-prospect pitcher is Steve Uhlmansiek.

by Slica on Jan 27, 2008 9:20 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

How could I forget Ramirez?
He looks like the real deal...needs to move higher, though.

I havent seen enough of Paredes. Any idea which affiliate he will be in this year?

by Slica on Jan 27, 2008 9:17 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

is
RRS still alive?

by marinerschas2 on Jan 27, 2008 10:08 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Interesting
I'm not sure what I think of that. Butler and Mickolio is <<< Triunfel, but still

by I'm NOT Corco on Jan 27, 2008 8:51 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

You think we could have gotten
Santana with this deal? (ignoring the fact that he wouldn't come here)

by Edgar for Pres on Jan 27, 2008 9:21 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Losing Tillman and GS## would be a bummer
I wouldn't be too bummed about losing Butler or Mickolio, though both are alright.

by Gomez on Jan 28, 2008 12:00 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

If all these young pitchers
are included with AJ, doesn't this set our farm system, which was finally getting back in decent form, almost back to just Triunfel and Clement.  wowowow
I fucking hate you Mariners

by kentroyals5 on Jan 27, 2008 8:54 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Welcome to 2002!
These pretzels....are making me thirsty!

by Goose on Jan 27, 2008 8:54 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

crap, back in High School
and the Angels winning the world series and the Seahawks sucking.
LET WLAD BAT!!!!

by MFAN on Jan 27, 2008 8:58 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

The one thing that will continue to eat at me
despite the fact that I'm going to miss AJ, is that Bavasi paid stupid money to bring in a guy like Carlos Silva to be out fifth starter. How in the hell can that move be justified when you just went out and a badass to be the ace of this club in 2008 and 2009 (and hopefully longer)?

As long as Clement, Wlad, and Carlos are still in the system, I can learn to be ok with this trade. But for all the excitement that we'll get every fifth day with Bedard, we're going to be reminded how freaking stupid Bavasi is every fifth day with Silva.

by Trent on Jan 27, 2008 8:57 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I'm thinking
This is like the Sexson-to-Beltre thing.  Getting one improved the chances of getting the other....or something?

by ThundaPC on Jan 27, 2008 9:01 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

only if Sexson
is only carring his bat for him

by InSpokane on Jan 27, 2008 9:04 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Insurance
Bavasi didn't want to get caught with a very slim FA pitching pool to choose from and there wasn't any guarantee he would get Bedard.

That doesn't mean I agree with the signing or anything. I'd have much preferred RA Dickey instead of Silva, but Bavasi must think Silva is good, so..........

by JLC on Jan 27, 2008 9:16 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm sorry guys...
I love the mariners, not as much as some of you, but the love is there nonetheless. i've always kept up on who's playing for the mariners, but not who's in charge.

how long has bavasi been gm? cuz he's a bonafide dumbfuck.

here's the problem i have. i worry of pulling off something like the colorado mike hampton deal. Bedard comes in and just to make him feel gravy about seattle; we toss in a monster deal. he then sucks or gets hurt. meanwhile, 3-5prospects are sent off, with one (at least) being an absolute stud.

all of which we could have had cost effective control for 5yrs. instead, we'll be in the same shape as the current orioles.

as much as we may love one player or pitcher, they will not, all of a sudden, make us a contender. there's a reason why there are 13pitchers and 12position players.

it's great to have studs like felix, bedard, ichiro, beltre at times, but u'll never win a damn thing when you have the likes of vidro, ho, sex, ibanez defense, burke, reistma, parrish, silva. especially when you give guys like jones, soriano, fruto, broussard, away.

i'm sorry guys, for all of us to have to love and hate our mariners, when they don't know wtf they're doing. meanwhile, teams like cleveland, dodgers, and even tampa, dominate us on how to rebuild and manage teams.

Shenanigans

by Brohan on Jan 27, 2008 9:11 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

ok
have a hard time seeing as how, they've kept ethier, kemp, laroche, hu, billingsley, broxton, and some of  there other top pitching prospects. signed andrew jones to a short term deal, have furcal, martin. complete wastes on there team...garci, kent, pierre. don't say schmidt, cuz (when healthy) mighty good hmm, i'm liking that a bit more than what we have.
Shenanigans

by Brohan on Jan 27, 2008 9:26 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Ned Colletti only acquired Ethier of those
Also Furcal was horrible last year.
When life gives you scurvy, make lemonade.

by Mariner John on Jan 27, 2008 9:42 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

good point...
however, ned could have given up alot to pull a miggy cabera trade. he's undeniably, had the talent to pull off a blockbuster, but either him, or someone else, is holding him up from letting the youngsters fly.
Shenanigans

by Brohan on Jan 27, 2008 9:49 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Jamie Burke is badass
best backup catcher in Mariner history.  Do no lump him in with HoRam and Sexson.
--Dave

Addicted to Quack SBN's Oregon Ducks Blog

by Addicted to Quack on Jan 28, 2008 7:57 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Gotta disagree about the Dodgers
They have some great young players, but they treat them like shit.

by Slica on Jan 27, 2008 9:21 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

all org's treat someone like shit
morrow being stuck in bullpen, young talent never getting a shot til it's too late. we're mighty bad as well. gone are the days where we'd see the likes of arod and griffey actually make it through the minors; becoming the studs we know now. besides felix, putz, we like to ship them off, before we know what they can do.
Shenanigans

by Brohan on Jan 27, 2008 9:30 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Don't worry, he's the 6th man in the trade
My sources are now telling me it's Jones, Tillman, Sherrill, Butler, Mickolio, Jeff Pentland, Ironically Batless Adrian Beltre, Sir Issac Newton, and a can of Powerthirst for Erik Bedard.

by JLC on Jan 27, 2008 9:26 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm more worried about losing Newton.
The Orioles will be a force to be reckoned with once they learn that F=ma.

by JLC on Jan 27, 2008 9:31 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

i read on mlbtraderumors
that they were trying to get the suprised face as well

by marinerschas2 on Jan 27, 2008 10:10 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

corco
we have some bad news about your time here in washington.

you've been traded to the Royals for a few good kansas city steaks.  enjoy your farmland

by marinerschas2 on Jan 27, 2008 10:20 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Sounds good to me
Missouri has an utterly fascinating highway system that I would love to explore firsthand.

See ya

by I'm NOT Corco on Jan 27, 2008 10:24 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Sir Isaac Newton?
Worst trade in franchise history.

by Slica on Jan 27, 2008 9:29 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

that actually makes the "5" look good
and I have hated that 5 since those jerseys inception.

by tworsandtwols on Jan 27, 2008 9:34 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

This is YOUR fault, Jeff?
Can we trade Jones for Erik Bedard or something?

I see pitchforks and torches in your future, sir.

I will not make jokes in my sig. I will not make jokes in my sig. I will not...

by TIF on Jan 27, 2008 9:29 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

And maybe that phone call he got during
FanFest yesterday was the completing of the deal..right in front of us :(
I fucking hate you Mariners

by kentroyals5 on Jan 27, 2008 9:38 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

He told you guys that he was gonna deal AJ.
At least he's a man of his word.
These pretzels....are making me thirsty!

by Goose on Jan 27, 2008 9:43 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah
Maybe he wasn't joking after all.

by Jeff Sullivan on Jan 27, 2008 9:46 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

so....
how long has bavasi been gm?
Shenanigans

by Brohan on Jan 27, 2008 9:36 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

wow
you have been through a lot. it's hard to stomach how stupid he can be. thank god for felix and ichiro.
Shenanigans

by Brohan on Jan 27, 2008 9:38 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

my first coherent post-coital thought
was about the trade.

to be honest, I think erik bedard might have entered the subconscious before aj did. i don't know what that says. i'm telling you all my pillow thoughts instead of my wife.  i don't know what that says either.

we're gonna go watch rerun of arrested development. and drink some more.

by Mark on Jan 27, 2008 9:54 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

You did the right thing
When your pillow thoughts are of Erik Bedard, it's better not to share them with your wife.
visiting A's fan (Shoreline resident)

by iglew on Jan 28, 2008 11:02 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Any chair throwing in your future, Jeff?
Depending on who else Bavasi, and his oddly shaped head, included.

I thought for sure when Bedard started talking out negatively about Baltimore that maybe we might get some leverage and trade less.  Not sure that this is the case anymore...

I fucking hate you Mariners

by kentroyals5 on Jan 27, 2008 10:00 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I can't really act too violent
what with these mysterious injuries to my body from last night. Give me a few days to heal.

by Jeff Sullivan on Jan 27, 2008 10:01 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm waiting for the Danny Ainge corollary to kick
where Bavasi trades some other package for Kevin Garnett and we're all toasting his formerly unloveable self in October. That's going to happen, right?

by zachsullivan on Jan 27, 2008 10:03 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

like someone said earlier
just fuck it all and go get Santana.  The M's might not be able to field a team in 2010, but 2008 would be damn fun.

That's basically the Ainge method of winning.

LET WLAD BAT!!!!

by MFAN on Jan 27, 2008 10:06 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Get Bonds to DH too.
"I hate so much about the things... you... choose to be."

by JI on Jan 27, 2008 10:21 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm still not worried!
"Kruger! My son tells me, your company shtinks!"-Frank Costanza.

by Coach Owens on Jan 27, 2008 10:36 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

word
Thanks Jeff, you've basically exactly summed up my feelings about this trade.  I'm really not super disapointed since the aesthetic upgrade from solid major league outfielder to Super Duper Stud Power Pitcher is pretty substantive, even if it's not an economically wise move.

by Uncle Ted on Jan 27, 2008 10:41 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

You guys are a little bit too high on Erik
I mean Erikkk is really solid but he isn't Walter Johnson like you've been trying to promote. Best player ever in Seattle sans A-Rod?  He was a strikeout king this year and everything but really if he is off he is way off.  I know you can say that about a lot of pitchers but Erik in particular is real bad at bouncing back.  The day he passed Mussina for the most strikeouts in team history I think he went 3 innings because he got knocked around and just can't plow though it like a C.C. Sabathia or Daniel Cabrera.  I like Bedard for another year with an ERA around 3.35-3.45 but past that your looking a bit iffy.  He was good for the O's in 2006 but 2007 was really his breakout year, too bad he didn't even play the last month and a half.  He is really injury prone and an asshole in general who doesn't talk to the media and talks shit about Baltimore to people who have lived there all their lives so congratulations, he will be a gem this year if your truly contending but I agree with the rest of you, you've gutted your system for this and better hope it pays off for this year.

by Baltimore on Jan 28, 2008 6:47 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

HAHA
Cabrera bounces back after every mediocre start w/ 4-5 BBs.

by hcoguy on Jan 28, 2008 11:32 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I never said Cabrera bounces back...
I said, "just can't plow though it like Daniel Cabrera."

by Baltimore on Jan 28, 2008 12:12 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I also refuse to talk to media
and talk shit about Baltimore constantly. We can be BFF.

by DCMariner on Jan 28, 2008 8:05 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

My question is this...
What's going to happen in July? This trade is one thing, but what are the M's going to do at the trade deadline if/when they are contending and need to add a bat to get over the top? Are they going to trade Morrow and/or Clement to get that done?

I just don't like what this could possibly lead to.

by BaltimoreMarinersFan on Jan 28, 2008 7:31 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Given the stand they supposedly took with
Morrow in the Bedard negotiations it seems unlikely that he'd be traded.

by ningwers on Jan 28, 2008 8:25 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Good Christ this deal scares the shit out of me.
He was awesome last year, but pretty much everything that could have gone right for him last year, well, did:

Strikeouts were up. Before last year his career K/9 was 7.88. Last year, it was 10.93. That's about a 40% increase.

Walks were down. Before last year his career BB/9 was 3.72. Last year, it was 2.82. That's an improvement of about 25%.

LOB% last year? 77.7.

BABIP? About 25 points lower than his career average.

There's no denying that Bedard is a good pitcher, but he's due for some regression.

I reject your reality and substitute my own!

by Phildopip on Jan 28, 2008 7:33 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

No he's not
Running a regression analysis on him raises his expected RA by 0.03 R/9

by Graham on Jan 28, 2008 7:40 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

By your metric, yes.
But Bill James, CHONE, and Marcel all have him going to an RA of ~3.8 (from ~3.3).
I reject your reality and substitute my own!

by Phildopip on Jan 28, 2008 11:08 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I think Graham and I believe that 2007
represented a legitimate departure from his previous identity. So in that case his '05/'06 numbers don't mean nearly as much as those projection systems think they do.

by Jeff Sullivan on Jan 28, 2008 11:09 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Quick question
What is Adam Jones' affensive potential supposed to be?  I'm sure he'll be a great player and all, but there's a big difference between trading a future 20/20 player and a guy who will display shades of Junior out in CF.

Also, does this make Felix the #2 starter?  That's a good thing, yeah?  Don't want to rip off his rotator cuff before he hits 25.

Willie Bloomquist > Gary Bettman

by Jake In Palo Alto on Jan 28, 2008 8:34 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Let's see
off the top of my head, I'd say he has a ceiling as Curtis Granderson and a midrange as Cammy.

by Jeff Sullivan on Jan 28, 2008 10:09 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Much more power
I'm trying to avoid doing this, because I just don't feel like talking about Jones' ceiling anymore, but comps to guys like Cammy and Granderson don't work if we're talking about his potential.

Jones hit 25hrs last year in a partial season in the most HR-suppressing park in the PCL.  At 21.   Despite Albuquerque, the PCL sees fewer HRs than MLB.

Put all of that together and I just don't understand how his CEILING, at age 28 or so, in MLB, isn't 35-40HRs.  
Granderson has never in his career hit as many HRs as Jones did last year, in 400+ABs in the PCL.   At 21.

I'm going to go throw up now.  

by marc w on Jan 28, 2008 11:01 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

yeah but Granderson notched 23 triples
23!!

.300/.360/.550 I think is a fine guesstimate for Jones' ceiling

by Matthew on Jan 28, 2008 11:03 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

That raw line is quite nice
but again, if he really is a 35-40HR guy, then the SLG might need to go up.  

:bleeahrrghg.  hhrrrlngggk:

by marc w on Jan 28, 2008 11:42 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

550 is really really high
that's basically Carlos Beltran's peak and he was a 40 HR guy.

by Matthew on Jan 28, 2008 11:48 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

when he was a 40 HR guy
he hit .275/.594.   Basically .600.

Take that same iso and apply it to a .300 BA and :blearaeahgghghgkn:
uh, sorry about that, I thought I was over...:hrrblearrkkk:

But yes, Beltran's age 29 year is closer to his peak than Granderson.   Of course, the entire package, with defense, yeah, I can sort of see that in terms of value.    

I gotta stop thinking about this.

by marc w on Jan 28, 2008 2:36 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

So you think Adam Jones' ceiling is higher than
that of Carlos Beltran's? That's kind of optimistic no?

by Matthew on Jan 28, 2008 5:51 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I think technically it is pessimistic.
Since he will no longer be here.
Baka.

by CapSea on Jan 28, 2008 7:32 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

He and Granderson have different styles
but I think Granderson's raw batting line is a pretty good representation of Jones' upside, although AJ does indeed have better power potential.

Cammy is who I think he could be if he doesn't really get any better than he is right now.

by Jeff Sullivan on Jan 28, 2008 11:05 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

According to ESPN
Sherrill has informed teammates he's heading to Baltimore for a physical along with Jones.

by MfaninAlaska on Jan 28, 2008 9:10 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

sigh
GS52, we'll miss you.

He's gonna hate Baltimore.

by PShwa on Jan 28, 2008 9:24 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Sadly, thats good news...
Sherill being in this deal takes away a spot for Triunfel.

Still not enamored with Butler AND Tillman, though.

by Slica on Jan 28, 2008 10:02 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

No surprise
but I feel really bad for George.

by Jeff Sullivan on Jan 28, 2008 10:10 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Good God
I didnt even think of that.

We are sending these poor souls to hell. :(

by Slica on Jan 28, 2008 10:14 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

*sigh*
"I hope if I am part of it that somebody tells me before Wednesday because that's when we're supposed to head down to Phoenix,'' Sherrill said of his departure for spring training. "I spoke to John (McLaren) recently and I let him know that I want to be a Mariner for life. It's the team that plucked me out of the independent league and so I'll always have a spot in my heart for it and want to stay with the organization. But I know that rarely happens anymore."

by Jeff Sullivan on Jan 28, 2008 10:16 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe he'll get to close
and be in for a huge payday.
"I hate so much about the things... you... choose to be."

by JI on Jan 28, 2008 10:23 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

As much as I love GS52
I think that for his career to progress he needed to get away from Seattle.  He may be upset now, but I doubt Baltimore will be using him solely as the super-LOOGY that we deployed him as at times.  This could be good for his bank balance in the future.
And to think, I could have chosen to support the Yankees or Red Sox...

by EnglishMariner on Jan 28, 2008 10:26 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Agreed
I actually agree pretty wholeheartedly with your sentiment there.  Sherrill's going to end up making a lot more bank because of this deal as I believe he'll get to expand into more of a set-up man than simply a LOOGY (and I know that's an oversimplification of what he did for us, but in terms of how management used him most frequently, it's the truth).  I hope he gets a chance to close some games in Baltimore with their abysmal bullpen at the moment, and I hope it ups his paycheck in the near future.  I have nothing but fantastic things to say about the guy, and I wish him just as well as Adam Jones.

by Bodhizefa on Jan 28, 2008 12:31 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

According to Hickey
Sherill said ESPN was wrong about him getting a physical. Sherill still has not heard anything.

by Slica on Jan 28, 2008 12:37 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

jebus
its been a while since ive bounced around so many sites looking for any tidbit of information, then when some comes out its refuted 30 minutes later
I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me.

by wadswerth on Jan 28, 2008 12:47 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Just because he hasn't been informed yet
doesn't mean that he's not part of the package.

I mean, the M's aren't exactly known for their courtesy phone calls.  And he never received a phone call from anyone that Silva was taking his number (he found out when his bro' called upon 'hearing' my temper tantrum on this here blog), so...

Ill Ligitamus Non Carberendum

by PositivePaul on Jan 28, 2008 1:24 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Erik can hang out with Weaver somewhere
as the "Baked Rider"

<3 anagrams

by PShwa on Jan 28, 2008 4:09 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Anagrams are the haiku of 2008
Mildly entertaining once, maybe, then the annoyance sets in.
Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Jan 28, 2008 4:11 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't know.
Fuck the Angels = Gnat Cheekfuls
Baka.

by CapSea on Jan 28, 2008 4:12 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

You're not convincing me
Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Jan 28, 2008 4:13 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

what the fucking hell?
How are haikus annoying?
That's six kinds of dumb.

by marc w on Jan 28, 2008 10:06 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

They're annoying because
everyone does them, at the drop of a hat, all the freaking time.  It was a quirky little idea, once, and now it's just too common and as it's gotten common it's gotten lame.  Plus, it was a quirky little idea.  Quirk is, by nature, annoying.

But, kudos to you for defending the form with the form.

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Jan 29, 2008 7:01 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

To the person who signed me up
for a bunch of email newsletters - I hope you get cancer and die tomorrow.

by Jeff Sullivan on Jan 29, 2008 12:20 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

I thought you'd like them.
I also told the Church of LDS that you were in the market for a new set of beliefs.  And the Jehovah's Witnesses.  And I gave your name to a few credit card companies.  They told me they had some really great offers for you, and I didn't want you to miss them.    

You're welcome.  

by The Alaskan on Jan 29, 2008 8:50 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Strangely enough
I live about .5 mile from a Jehovah's Witness church, and have done since August.  I have never been visited by a Jehovah's Witness.  Maybe they just don't see our house because it's too close, or something.
Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Jan 29, 2008 8:55 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I have a feeling they changed their style.
Since the 2nd amendment is not their friend.
Baka.

by CapSea on Jan 29, 2008 9:15 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Weird.
Maybe it's the star of David on the porch?
The pentagram chalked out on the walkway?

I'll let them know you're interested.  Tell them there are some folks looking for direction in their life right around the corner.  I think I can get a discount on my eternal salvation if I refer 5 friends.    

by The Alaskan on Jan 29, 2008 9:17 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I like to think
it's the never-ending stream of goat's blood from the many ritual sacrifices.  But it could be the flaming pentagram, you're right.
Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Jan 29, 2008 9:21 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I get the sense
you're a little annoyed with me right now, but this is for the best.  You'll be thanking me when you're declining medical treatment because you know it isn't God's will, and racking up bonus points on your new CapitalOne card.  

What's in your wallet?  Everlasting peace and joy, that's what!  Hallelujah!

by The Alaskan on Jan 29, 2008 9:44 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

man
i want everlasting peace and joy in my wallet... instead all i have is twenty bucks

by seattlebruin on Jan 29, 2008 10:19 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Well, obviously
Jesus hates the Bruins.  (At least we have one thing in common)

by The Alaskan on Jan 29, 2008 10:37 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

i got lunch
so now its like thirteen

by seattlebruin on Jan 29, 2008 12:36 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Jeff
on the reference side bar on the main page your email address is just hanging out there too in the open...FYI
I fucking hate you Mariners

by kentroyals5 on Jan 29, 2008 12:38 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I know
If it weren't there, people wouldn't know how to email me.

I guess I just have to trust you fuckers.

by Jeff Sullivan on Jan 29, 2008 1:02 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

if it's not
you really should have an email account that was only for LL correspondence.

by Matthew on Jan 29, 2008 2:22 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah I never got around to doing that
but this isn't my main account anymore, so it could be worse.

by Jeff Sullivan on Jan 29, 2008 2:24 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

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