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I know the majority of us aren't particularly thrilled at the moment, but while a longer post is coming later on, at least Erik Bedard is really fucking good.

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Yay Bedard
That really doesn't soften the blow as much as it should.

by Graham MacAree on Jan 27, 2008 4:51 PM PST reply actions  

Any ideas about whether we will
be able to resign Bedard to an extension?

Also what is Bedard's health status right now?

by vkut79 on Jan 27, 2008 4:53 PM PST reply actions  

Too early for extension talk
And physically, he should be fine, although he'll always be a little fragile.

by Jeff Sullivan on Jan 27, 2008 4:55 PM PST up reply actions  

Its raining in the bay too :(
Our rotation is pretty amazing.  How about we trade Washburn to somebody for a decent RF.

Is it kinda wierd to anybody that our rotation is basically locked up now for a while?

by Edgar for Pres on Jan 27, 2008 4:55 PM PST reply actions  

of course 3/5th of it leaves after 2009
soo.... we better have some SP prospects ready by then.

by Matthew on Jan 27, 2008 4:56 PM PST up reply actions  

This deal only works out
in the event that Bedard has great seasons here and enjoys his time enough that he'd consider signing here.  

Wouldn't the FO have to throw out the most money for him in 3 years if Adam Jones is putting up monster numbers?

I fucking hate you Mariners

by kentroyals5 on Jan 27, 2008 4:57 PM PST reply actions  

Hell yea
This is a hefty gamble with immediate benefits with the side effect of possible long term pain.

Our rotation is pretty tight now.  No more HoRam/Morrow for #5.

by ThundaPC on Jan 27, 2008 5:00 PM PST reply actions  

FIP/xFIP/Chone ERA projection
Felix  3.83/3.41/3.53
Bedard  3.33/3.13/3.58
Washburn  4.83/5.30/4.31
Batista  4.61/5.12/4.60
Silva  4.35/4.67/4.48

You've got to love those Chone predictions.  If that is right I'll be very happy.

by Edgar for Pres on Jan 27, 2008 5:03 PM PST reply actions  

yeah
if he repeats 2007 in SafeCo, he'd be under 3.

by Matthew on Jan 27, 2008 5:09 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm just saying that there has only been
66 SP in the last 10 years to get an ERA < 3.  The odds are against him.  If anything goes wrong then basically you aren't gonna get it.  I'm not going to say Bedard's year last year was a fluke but I'll be surprised if he does better than it.

by Edgar for Pres on Jan 27, 2008 5:13 PM PST up reply actions  

That's fair
yeah, I don't think the odds of a sub-3 ERA are >50%. But they're still pretty good. If anyone's going to do it this year, Bedard has as good a chance as anyone, save for Peavy.

by Jeff Sullivan on Jan 27, 2008 5:15 PM PST up reply actions  

the good news is that I found no evidence of that
his 2007 performance was real.

Boy, it would have made sense to hire Mazzone huh?

by Matthew on Jan 27, 2008 5:15 PM PST up reply actions  

sorry, I flipped the meaning
I found no evidence that his 2007 wasn't real.

by Matthew on Jan 27, 2008 5:35 PM PST up reply actions  

We hurt now, but lets have fun:
2007:

1.Felix
2.WASH
3.Batista
4.HoRam
5.Weaver

2008:

1.Bedard
1.Felix
3.Silva
4.Batista
5.Washburn

Very, very nice rotation.  If our defence plays to its potential, we should be hard to score against.

And to think, I could have chosen to support the Yankees or Red Sox...

by EnglishMariner on Jan 27, 2008 5:04 PM PST reply actions  

If our defense plays to its potential
we'll be a pretty bad defensive team.  Ibanez and Wilkerson in the OF?  Yeah.  No thanks.

by tait644 on Jan 27, 2008 7:15 PM PST up reply actions  

same here
I just wanna know who else is gone.
LET WLAD BAT!!!!

by MFAN on Jan 27, 2008 5:07 PM PST up reply actions  

Sexson, Vidro, and Willie?
In our dreams.  More like Tillman, Triunfel, and Morrow.
--Dave

Addicted to Quack SBN's Oregon Ducks Blog

by David Piper on Jan 27, 2008 5:08 PM PST up reply actions  

I'd have hoped that if Bavasi
had something up his sleeve, like at least using this to get rid of Richie.  He's just not that smart, though.
--Dave

Addicted to Quack SBN's Oregon Ducks Blog

by David Piper on Jan 27, 2008 5:09 PM PST up reply actions  

is there any way
we're getting a second player back?

by seattlebruin on Jan 27, 2008 5:10 PM PST up reply actions  

If we do, it will be a filler.
If it was someone good like Roberts then we would have heard about it by now.
And to think, I could have chosen to support the Yankees or Red Sox...

by EnglishMariner on Jan 27, 2008 5:13 PM PST up reply actions  

Just heard about this.
It obviously makes you guys better short term, and by 2009 you'll have the money to sign him to an extension.  Losing Jones though...yikes.
*Visiting Angels fan* Never give up, never surrender!

by TheOptimist on Jan 27, 2008 5:14 PM PST reply actions  

The waiting
to find out who else is baltimore bound is killing me
I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me.

by wadswerth on Jan 27, 2008 5:15 PM PST reply actions  

I'd offer condolences...
except that while Jones is a heavy price to pay, Bedard is in my top five favorite pitchers to watch in baseball. Complete stud, and the health issues he's had seem behind him now.

by NHZ @ Lookout Landing on Jan 27, 2008 5:17 PM PST reply actions  

Ok i'm closing my browser and not getting back
on until tomorrow morning.  Hopefully by then we'll have some good info on the trade and everything will be sorted out.  This is just frustrating me.

by Edgar for Pres on Jan 27, 2008 5:19 PM PST reply actions  

Ok i lied
I'm back.  Wow I only lasted 20 minutes. Thats pathetic.

by Edgar for Pres on Jan 27, 2008 5:43 PM PST up reply actions  

just like
crack
I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me.

by wadswerth on Jan 27, 2008 5:44 PM PST up reply actions  

Some eye candy
http://baltimore.orioles.mlb.com/team/player_media.jsp?player_id=407853

Recommended:  07.08.2007 | Bedard strikes out 15

That curve/slurve ... that's my second favourite pitch in baseball just behind Johan's circle change.

And to think, I could have chosen to support the Yankees or Red Sox...

by EnglishMariner on Jan 27, 2008 5:28 PM PST reply actions  

I love the announcers after..
the 5th inning strikeout.  "When is he gonna be done?"

Losing A.J. BLOWS but, the return could be worse.

by seattlesundevil on Jan 27, 2008 5:34 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah
that clip actually made Josh Lewin sound tolerable.

by Jeff Sullivan on Jan 27, 2008 5:38 PM PST up reply actions  

Hehe, yeah.
Totally overdramatic, just the way I like it.
And to think, I could have chosen to support the Yankees or Red Sox...

by EnglishMariner on Jan 27, 2008 5:40 PM PST up reply actions  

also included in the highlight
2 Brad Wilkerson K's, which is something else we should probably get used to seeing.
LET WLAD BAT!!!!

by MFAN on Jan 27, 2008 5:39 PM PST up reply actions  

maybe
wlad will just be a super badass in spring training an take jones spot
I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me.

by wadswerth on Jan 27, 2008 5:40 PM PST up reply actions  

No matter how bad ass he is with the bat
He's still not going to be as fast at Jones and as good at covering RF.
And to think, I could have chosen to support the Yankees or Red Sox...

by EnglishMariner on Jan 27, 2008 5:42 PM PST up reply actions  

Baker says he's open to an extension now.
So that's something. That would make it better, certainly, and would negate a little of that "We would have had Adam Jones for 6 years rather than 2" problem. So that's something.
Babies hate me.

by CapSea on Jan 27, 2008 5:33 PM PST reply actions  

Not sure if I'd want to extend Bedard
haven't looked into it, but he'll be 31 after 2009

by Matthew on Jan 27, 2008 5:36 PM PST up reply actions  

You're welcome
The pup that laughs when you're down on your luck.

by Scrappy the Scapegoat on Jan 27, 2008 5:35 PM PST reply actions  

We need
a mole inside the m's front office for times like this, so we can find out whos going to baltimore
I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me.

by wadswerth on Jan 27, 2008 5:36 PM PST reply actions  

We need a Chris Antonelli in the M's front office
so we can stop people from going to Baltimore in the first place.

by JLC on Jan 27, 2008 5:41 PM PST up reply actions  

Now go get Santana
Fuck it, let's do this thing.

by Garces on Jan 27, 2008 5:39 PM PST reply actions  

Hahaha could you imagine?
A team comes to Seattle for a 3-game set and has to face Johan, Bedard and Felix

by seattlesundevil on Jan 27, 2008 5:40 PM PST up reply actions  

I've found out why the Orioles might want Sherrill
Sounds like they're planning on flipping him to Atlanta for Lillibridge.

by Graham MacAree on Jan 27, 2008 5:40 PM PST reply actions  

haha
i was waiting for that to come out
I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me.

by wadswerth on Jan 27, 2008 5:41 PM PST up reply actions  

You realize you scared him away.
He hangs out on PI and DOV now.
Babies hate me.

by CapSea on Jan 27, 2008 5:58 PM PST up reply actions  

Well played
That duplicate posting did annoy me, though apparently not as much as some others

by batura on Jan 27, 2008 6:05 PM PST up reply actions  

My Mariner fandom
all hinging on Triunfel, now.

I love having Bedard, but this a steep price.

We also learned that when Bavasi and another GM are 'not budging', Bavasi will cave.

Side note, this definitely qualifies for gamethread emotion, right? Fuck damn shit.

by Slica on Jan 27, 2008 5:52 PM PST reply actions  

We don't know if Bavasi caved.
Won't really know until we see who else is in the deal.

by Jeff Sullivan on Jan 27, 2008 5:56 PM PST up reply actions  

I think it's MacPhail who caved
I recall Bavasi saying he put his best deal on the table and it was just a waiting game at that point.

Of course the price could still be very high even if that's the case.

by ThundaPC on Jan 27, 2008 6:01 PM PST up reply actions  

Actually
most indications are that Bavasi left out a "final offer" on the table for Baltimore (Jones+Tillman+Sherill) a while ago and left it at that.

Slowly the Reds dropped out since they refused to give up Bruce, so the Orioles were left to accept the Mariners' offer. Rumor is that 4 players are going to the Orioles, but I doubt the 4th is important.

I'd be surprised if Bavasi doesn't feel like he came out on the winning side here. He obviously wasn't adverse to trading Jones in the first place.

by JLC on Jan 27, 2008 5:58 PM PST up reply actions  

Good point, both of you
Sadly im trying to see the bright side...we got a good pitcher, and someone said he may be open  for an extension...and of course 'it could be worse'...

Still, Carlos Triunfel is the difference between me following the Mariners in the long term vs. me following the Brewers. Good God can they keep at LEAST one of my favorite players? :(.

by Slica on Jan 27, 2008 6:02 PM PST up reply actions  

They still have Beltre and Felix
and Putz.
When life gives you scurvy, make lemonade.

by Mariner John on Jan 27, 2008 7:16 PM PST up reply actions  

To make things easier on myself
I am going to sleep now fully expecting the trade details waiting for me in the morning of our four player trade to be as follows:

SP E.Bedard for:

OF A.Jones
OF I.Suzuki
SP F.Hernandez
RP J.Putz

And to think, I could have chosen to support the Yankees or Red Sox...

by EnglishMariner on Jan 27, 2008 6:01 PM PST reply actions  

wow
at least you wont be disappointed tomorrow morning

by seattlebruin on Jan 27, 2008 7:32 PM PST up reply actions  

I'll never EVER leave the Mariners
just saying.

So....What are we HAPPY with giving up?

Is AJ/Tillman/Sherrill the best we're gonna see?

I'm happy with giving that up, when you really think about it(that AJ was leaving no matter what).

If Carlos/Morrow are BOTH NOT in the deal, I'd say we didnt do horrendously.

by PShwa on Jan 27, 2008 6:01 PM PST reply actions  

100% true.
Just saying in terms of we KNOW what were getting/giving up.

there is still the chance Tillman isnt who we think he'll be.

same with Carlos.

But your point makes sense.

Im happy with Carlos staying, truthfully.

by PShwa on Jan 27, 2008 6:05 PM PST up reply actions  

Pretty satisfied with that
I'd like a little more than just Bedard, though, but whatever.

I want to wait until this is all finished. If the Mariners continue to run Ibanez and Vidro out there every day and use Morrow in the pen, we didn't gain much for '08.

But if they sign Kenny Lofton and/or Wilkerson as platoon players and move Ibanez to 1B/DH.....different story.

Not loving the trade for Jason Bay talk, though.

by JLC on Jan 27, 2008 6:13 PM PST up reply actions  

poop. Poopity-poop.
If you are gonna give up a ton of good players, you may as well do it for a top ace.

by jtopps on Jan 27, 2008 6:02 PM PST reply actions  

Remember;
the most important thing is that when things get really bad and the world looks its darkest, you just have to throw up your hands and say "Well, all right!" Because it's probably gonna get a whole hell of a lot worse.

by Matthew on Jan 27, 2008 6:05 PM PST reply actions  

I've had a bottle of gin since the deal went down
I am so angry that I'm still typing legibly.

This is a worrisome combination.

by Graham MacAree on Jan 27, 2008 6:14 PM PST up reply actions  

When I took a shower this morning
I noticed that my left foot was cut open and my right arm had a massive bruise.

So my advice to you is, if you're going to try to drink this all away, wear pads.

by Jeff Sullivan on Jan 27, 2008 6:16 PM PST up reply actions  

I was wearing my pads
For a hockey match this afternoon. They didn't help very much. I could only feel 1/4 limbs by the time I was done.

The other team had a fucking England international.

by Graham MacAree on Jan 27, 2008 6:18 PM PST up reply actions  

My driver's license photo
serves as a memory of the night before my 18th birthday, when in celebration I passed out with my head on the stove. I've got a huge burn on my chin.
Washington Highways

by Corco on Jan 27, 2008 6:35 PM PST up reply actions  

So
Whats our OF look like?

Anyone think Balentien will be in it? I doubt he is involved in the trade...

Trying to calm down. For me, its not because its a bad trade...its because its my favorite players. Again. Thats why im whining so much. Aside Lopez, who isnt special anymore, there is noone on the roster im willing to overcook food for when said player comes to the plate. Just defending myself before im ripped for talking Brewers. Remember, I still watch every Sonics game.

by Slica on Jan 27, 2008 6:12 PM PST reply actions  

Well...at least pitching should be fun to watch
this year.

Bedard-Felix>Webb-Haren

These pretzels....are making me thirsty!

by Goose on Jan 27, 2008 6:19 PM PST reply actions  

hmmm
bedard and aumont will get along seeing as they are both french canadiens
I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me.

by wadswerth on Jan 27, 2008 6:34 PM PST reply actions  

Another Question
I realize we should wait until the dust settles, but its a painful wait...so

What happens to Ho? Morrow?

Our 3-5 pitchers cost a ton for their spots now.

by Slica on Jan 27, 2008 6:35 PM PST reply actions  

Ho disappears
and Morrow keeps the same role in the bullpen.

by Jeff Sullivan on Jan 27, 2008 6:37 PM PST up reply actions  

Hmm
I would agree on Ho, especially if he sucks in ST.

Morrow is pretty interesting. He belongs in Triple A starting, but if Sherill is involved (he claims he hasnt been called about anything yet), I guess Morrow is a lock for the bullpen.

This whole thng is giving me brain cramps.

by Slica on Jan 27, 2008 6:42 PM PST up reply actions  

Unless Morrow badly fucks up ST
I'd be shocked to see him in AAA next year, regardless
Washington Highways

by Corco on Jan 27, 2008 6:43 PM PST up reply actions  

It'll never happen
but if this trade did result in Morrow going to Tacoma's rotation; that would soften the blow considerably.

by Matthew on Jan 27, 2008 6:47 PM PST up reply actions  

2 ifs for the bullpen
if Sherrill isn't dealt and if Lowe returns to his 2006 form, would there be a team with a better pitching staff?

Rotation of Bedard, Felix, Silva, Washburn Batista

Bullpen of JJ, Sherrill, Morrow, Lowe, O'Flaherty, Green, Rowland-Smith

by MfaninAlaska on Jan 27, 2008 6:47 PM PST reply actions  

I don't know about better
but Boston and Cleveland would be right up there, and the Angels are solid.

by Jeff Sullivan on Jan 27, 2008 6:49 PM PST up reply actions  

I think Boston
has a better rotation .... but all arms rotation and bullpen?

by MfaninAlaska on Jan 27, 2008 6:51 PM PST up reply actions  

What if Felix put it all together?
"I hate so much about the things... you... choose to be."

by JI on Jan 27, 2008 7:17 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm accounting for that
if he puts up another 4 ERA in Safeco, then, no, we won't be the best.

by Jeff Sullivan on Jan 27, 2008 7:18 PM PST up reply actions  

I guess it could be worse.
In the past I could see us doing something like this for Odalis Perez (post-2002) or Carl Pavano (post-whatever his good year was).
"I hate so much about the things... you... choose to be."

by JI on Jan 27, 2008 7:30 PM PST up reply actions  

Well well well...
"MacPhail said Jones is not coming to Baltimore for a physical."

by Fett42 on Jan 27, 2008 6:54 PM PST reply actions  

and Jones
is directly quoted as saying that:  "(Bill Bavasi) called me yesterday and told me the news. I've got to go to Baltimore tomorrow morning and handle things there. I'm the centerpiece of the deal on the Mariners side."

Who do you want to believe, a GM that can't comment until a deal is finalized, or a player that has been directly been told?

by MfaninAlaska on Jan 27, 2008 6:59 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm excited
I know that it probably wasn't the greatest (or even good) trade, but Erik fricking Bedard is the best pitcher the Mariners have had since Randy Johnson (until Felix figures out how to pitch a little better) come what may, but as of today I am optimistic that this could work out (unless we gave up Triunfel in which case I may go murder Bavasi)
Don't listen to their lies, Bill! Look at the sparkly ERA! Sparkly sparkly! - McCovey Chronicles

by Trenchtown2 on Jan 27, 2008 7:07 PM PST reply actions  

well, from jim street
http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20080127&content_id=2357273&vkey=news_sea&fext=. jsp&c_id=sea&partnered=rss_sea

The Mariners apparently would send Jones, left-handed reliever George Sherrill and Minor League pitcher Chris Tillman, along with one more Minor League player, to the rebuilding Orioles for Bedard.

I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me.

by wadswerth on Jan 27, 2008 7:14 PM PST reply actions  

That makes this trade make less sense
if the idea is to WIN! this year, why are we gutting our team the major league level?
"I hate so much about the things... you... choose to be."

by JI on Jan 27, 2008 7:18 PM PST up reply actions  

Rosenthal is reporting
that it could possibly be a five for one.
"I hate so much about the things... you... choose to be."

by JI on Jan 27, 2008 7:46 PM PST reply actions  

How THE FUCK does a PITCHER HELP THE OUTFIELD!!!!!
At the end of 2007, the Mariners had a few problems:

2 shitty starting pitchers
2 shitty outfielders. One of which was rated as one of the WORST at his JOB in the industry.
A first baseman that was so bad, he even said (yesterday) he prefered playing away because no one boo-ed him there.
A DH who can't field, can't run and do not hit for power. (And if you watched the games, he got a bunch of hits because the other team was unable to turn a double play!)
AND finally one bullpen spot that went to a physically more mature pitcher that had nothing else to give to this team other than showing the kids what their balls were going to look like at
the age of 40.
______________

Bedard is a great pitcher. I will be very happy to see him pitch. I will take 100's of photos of him over his time with the Mariners. With any luck

BUT how the fuck does Bedard help with any of this?

by mark s @ Lookout Landing on Jan 27, 2008 7:56 PM PST reply actions  

Well
More strikeouts = fewer balls to the outfield.

But other than that, yeah.

by Jeff Sullivan on Jan 27, 2008 8:04 PM PST up reply actions  

Also
I'm pretty sure he helps the whole "2 shitty pitchers" thing.

by Jeff Sullivan on Jan 27, 2008 8:05 PM PST up reply actions  

you are correct. once again
but does Silva really help the "2 shitty pitchers" thing?

geez, I cused a lot in that post. I think that is the most in any post I have made here.

by mark s @ Lookout Landing on Jan 27, 2008 10:58 PM PST up reply actions  

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