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Fun With Numbers, Hitting Edition

God bless you, PITCHf/x tool by Josh Kalk. It doesn't include every pitch thrown in 2007, but it includes a representative sample, so away we go.

Percentage of fastballs seen:

  1. Burke, 68.4%
  2. Ballgame, 65.4%
  3. Vidro, 65.0%
  4. Ibanez, 64.6%
  5. Ichiro, 64.0%
  6. Guillen, 63.9%
  7. Sexson, 62.6%
  8. Betancourt, 62.2%
  9. Lopez, 60.3%
  10. Johjima, 56.5%
  11. Beltre, 55.9%
  12. Broussard, 55.7%
BA on fastballs put in play (includes homers):
  1. Ichiro, .387
  2. Burke, .375
  3. Ballgame, .366
  4. Beltre, .361
  5. Vidro, .347
  6. Ibanez, .346
  7. Guillen, .337
  8. Betancourt, .305
  9. Broussard, .295
  10. Johjima, .282
  11. Sexson, .276
  12. Lopez, .262
Isolated power on fastballs put in play:
  1. Sexson, .301
  2. Beltre, .287
  3. Burke, .250
  4. Guillen, .215
  5. Ibanez, .202
  6. Broussard, .192
  7. Betancourt, .168
  8. Johjima, .127
  9. Lopez, .094
  10. Vidro, .091
  11. Ichiro, .073
  12. Ballgame, .028
Percentage of fastball strikes swung and missed:
  1. Guillen, 13.8%
  2. Sexson, 12.9%
  3. Broussard, 12.6%
  4. Beltre, 11.8%
  5. Ibanez, 10.3%
  6. Ballgame, 10.2%
  7. Burke, 8.3%
  8. Betancourt, 6.0%
  9. Lopez, 5.4%
  10. Johjima, 5.0%
  11. Ichiro, 4.7%
  12. Vidro, 4.4%

Star-divide

BA on offspeed pitches put in play:

  1. Guillen, .414
  2. Burke, .412
  3. Broussard, .407
  4. Ichiro, .362
  5. Vidro, .361
  6. Johjima, .348
  7. Ibanez, .343
  8. Lopez, .341
  9. Beltre, .340
  10. Betancourt, .336
  11. Ballgame, .333
  12. Sexson, .286
Isolated power on offspeed pitches put in play:
  1. Guillen, .289
  2. Sexson, .286
  3. Beltre, .242
  4. Broussard, .204
  5. Johjima, .178
  6. Ibanez, .168
  7. Betancourt, .114
  8. Lopez, .104
  9. Vidro, .098
  10. Ichiro, .096
  11. Ballgame, .067
  12. Burke, .000
Percentage of offspeed strikes swung on and missed:
  1. Sexson, 32.8%
  2. Broussard, 23.3%
  3. Guillen, 23.2%
  4. Beltre, 23.0%
  5. Ballgame, 20.3%
  6. Johjima, 19.5%
  7. Lopez, 18.2%
  8. Betancourt, 15.8%
  9. Ibanez, 15.0%
  10. Burke, 12.8%
  11. Vidro, 11.5%
  12. Ichiro, 10.5%
Percentage of fastballs thrown for strikes:
  1. Beltre, 70.5%
  2. Ballgame, 69.1%
  3. Betancourt, 68.9%
  4. Johjima, 68.6%
  5. Lopez, 68.2%
  6. Broussard, 66.1%
  7. Burke, 64.5%
  8. Guillen, 63.3%
  9. Ibanez, 62.4%
  10. Ichiro, 61.8%
  11. Vidro, 60.9%
  12. Sexson, 59.1%
Percentage of offspeed pitches thrown for strikes:
  1. Burke, 71.1%
  2. Lopez, 68.7%
  3. Ichiro, 67.2%
  4. Beltre, 65.1%
  5. Betancourt, 65.1%
  6. Johjima, 63.4%
  7. Broussard, 63.3%
  8. Ballgame, 63.1%
  9. Guillen, 62.7%
  10. Vidro, 62.0%
  11. Ibanez, 60.6%
  12. Sexson, 58.3%
A few other things of note:

-Ben Broussard has curveball nightmares, and pitchers know it
-Jose Vidro makes contact on everything
-I don't know how many lives Raul Ibanez has, but he's got to have a bunch, considering he dies every time a lefty throws him a slider
-If you were a lefty in 2007, and you were facing Jose Guillen, you'd have been better off shooting yourself
-King Awesome swings really hard

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Hmmmm.
I was impressed by this:

BA on fastballs put in play (includes homers):
3. Ballgame, .366

Until I saw this:

Isolated power on fastballs put in play:
12. Ballgame, .028

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Jan 24, 2008 3:36 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Another fun Willie fact:
in hitter's counts, Willie saw 100% fastballs.

100%.

Pitchers were so sure that Willie wouldn't be able to hurt them that they didn't care if he saw their fastballs coming. They threw them anyway.

by Jeff on Jan 24, 2008 4:50 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I thought you were exaggerating
about Guillen facing lefties.

But you weren't.  Wow.

by Llewdor on Jan 24, 2008 4:23 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Awww!

I was really hoping to see the numbers for off-speed, low and away for King Awesome.

They would certainly be awesome.

Okay, so the numbers aren't that easy to get out of the tool, but here's the picture-- its pretty funny (against right-handed for full breaking awesomeness):

http://baseball.bornbybits.com/php/combined_tool.php?pit=0&bat=134181&type=2&result=-1&a mp;count=-1&r_spd=1&spd=-1&r_brx=1&brx=-100&r_brz=1&brz=-100&l_b=0

by batura on Jan 24, 2008 4:54 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

The slider picture is worse
here

I can't even count how many low-away sliders went for swings and misses.

by Jeff on Jan 24, 2008 4:57 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

So here is a question
How sustainable is Vidro's BABIP?  Thats basically what he is going to live or die by next year.  As a younger player he consistant put up around a BABIP of .330.  It declined as he aged probably because he slowed down and couldn't get as many infield singles (no evidence).

The only way I see him being a decent hitter next year is if he can sustain a high BA because I don't see his SLG increasing.  The BABIP he had last year (.342) was higher than I thought he'd have.  This could all just be luck.  Maybe, just maybe it might be sustainable though.  Once again, maybe...just maybe moving to DH and sacrificing all your power in an attempt to consistantly hit singles has allowed him to increase his BABIP.

I see two options for him next year.  His BABIP regresses back to around .310 maybe which is much more realistic based on his past experience or he really has improved somehow and his past BABIP is sustainable.  I'm guessing his power isn't coming back no matter what but it also can't go down much more which is good i guess.

(Using last year's numbers and varying BABIP also...numbers are approximate)
W/ BABIP of .280
.251/.328/.331
W/ BABIP of .310
.278/.352/.358
W/ BABIP of .360
.323/.392/.403

by Edgar for Pres on Jan 24, 2008 5:06 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

.342 was his highest BABIP since 2000
I'm not optimistic. I think he's due for some regression to the .310-.320 range, unless he starts churning out the line drives.

by Jeff on Jan 24, 2008 5:19 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

So if he hits
.290/.360/.370 I'm guessing we aren't happy with that right?  I mean its not horrible but its not helping much.  The big thing that worries me is that he screams as a guy who could udderly collapse and hit .240/.280/.300.

by Edgar for Pres on Jan 24, 2008 5:54 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

At this point, I'd be happy with that line
he's already not the guy I want at DH. Having come to terms with that, all I'm hoping for is that he doesn't fall apart.

by Jeff on Jan 24, 2008 6:09 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I hope he falls apart fast and quick
so we can get his ass out of the lineup, and be protected for 2009.
"Goddamn Romans. Sure know how to make a ... drum room." --Matt Cameron

by JI on Jan 24, 2008 6:24 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Sexson is the more attractive man.
"Goddamn Romans. Sure know how to make a ... drum room." --Matt Cameron

by JI on Jan 24, 2008 6:47 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

diff between BABIP and BA
Personally, I think Vidro's decline wasn't in any way "age" related.  I think the season without a home, followed by two seasons in RFK, (while hurt), were the easy-to-see external causes for Vidro's 'decline'.

I think it is reasonable to assume that he was increasingly unhappy with his previous org, and that likely showed up in his numbers.  I think ANY change of scenary would've created a Vidro bounce.

As to his BABIP - the .337 is certainly above standard expectation.  But, let's take a look at the trend line for the difference between Vidro's BA and his BABIP.

Starting in '99 - going to present.
15, 9, 11, 15, 8, 6, 8, 19, 23

2007 marked a highwater mark not only for BABIP, but also, the single largest skew between BA and BABIP in his career.  The career look says that only one thing has changed for Vidro, really - and that's his power.  In Montreal, during his peak days, he managed a 51-2B + 24-HR season, and another 43/19 season, with his final full season netting 36/15.  In 2007, he netted 26/6 with the Ms.

Simply put, he's not hitting the ball quite as hard.  But, his K and BB numbers remain pretty solid, (2007 was only his 2nd season ever with a signifant edge in BB to Ks).  

My own belief is that Vidro has (to a degree), become an Ichiro disciple.  When he was at his peak, he was walking less and whiffing more.  So, I would read into the stats that he's altered his "approach", which costs him power, but likely buffs his BABIP average slightly.

I think .315-.320 BABIP is the reasonable projection.  But I would also expect some regression in his BA/BABIP difference, probably in the 14-18 range, meaning a .300 average is doable.

.300/.367/.393 would be my projection.

The arena I think there is room for potential gain is in power.  In his final season in Washington, his 2B/HR numbers were nearly identical to his 2007 Seattle numbers (but in 80 fewer at bats).  I'm thinking he's still got the potential to hit low-30 doubles and 10-HRs.

I wouldn't peg him to get 50 XBHs, but breaking 40 is definitely feasible, and if this happens, his slugging likely breaks .400 again.

While I take second half split data with a grain of salt, Vidro hit 16 doubles in the second half of 2007, and his isolated power jumped from 63 to 101.  While I have no illusions that the 160 ISO will return, I'm thinking he can still post 100+ isolated power numbers - even in Safeco.

Calm is contagious

by Firemane on Jan 25, 2008 7:27 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

BABIP and BA
don't work like that.  If you know the K% and B% then you can calculate the BA directly from the BABIP.  You can't say you expect his K% and B% to stay the same, his BABIP to regress quite a bit and his BA not to suffer.

The thing that really makes me suspect Vidro's high BABIP is his speed.  Ichiro is fast and many of his hits come from beating out groundballs for infield singles.  Vidro is just too slow to maintain that high BABIP.  He's old and fat.

by Edgar for Pres on Jan 25, 2008 8:47 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

One thing nobody has really brought up
is that we should probably expect Ichiro's BA/OBP/SLG to drop about 20-30 pts next year which will hurt the offense a fair amount.

by Edgar for Pres on Jan 26, 2008 4:57 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I did as well
I slated that we should expect to lose 10-20 runs of offense out of Ichiro next year.

by Matthew on Jan 26, 2008 6:08 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I can try shouting
but I think it's still a long way for you to be able to hear me. Let's stick to writing and reading?

by Matthew on Jan 26, 2008 6:13 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

We've been careful with saying such things
in fear that Ichiro will find us.  

by Jeff on Jan 26, 2008 6:14 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

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