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One too many Brokeback Jokes

Heath Ledger Found Dead in Olsen Twin's Apartment in NYC

http://www.mediainfo.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003699996

First Brandon Lee, now this - the moral is, don't wear facepaint in a movie until you're willing to risk it being your last.

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Too soon?
"You guys should be in every major city. This is some heavy shit. This is, like, Lone Ranger heavy, man."

by AZSEAfan on Jan 22, 2008 2:49 PM PST reply actions  

Hmmm..
Gives a whole new meaning to "I want my ouce-cream" now doesn't it...

Now who's in big trouble, mister!

//lame

Ill Ligitamus Non Carberendum

by PositivePaul on Jan 22, 2008 2:50 PM PST reply actions  

I read he died in his own place,
but if he was in the Olsen Twins apartment, that makes it even stranger/funnier.
Prospects are under-valued.

by Thingray on Jan 22, 2008 3:24 PM PST up reply actions  

This is odd as well:
"The police said they believed Ms. Olsen, 21, was in California and said it was not clear why Mr. Ledger was in her apartment."
Prospects are under-valued.

by Thingray on Jan 22, 2008 3:27 PM PST up reply actions  

But he scheduled a massuese
to come to the apartment. Seems like something you would only do if you welcome in the apartment.
Prospects are under-valued.

by Thingray on Jan 22, 2008 3:37 PM PST up reply actions  

Please, baby.
Call me "Uncle Jesse."
Babies hate me.

by CapSea on Jan 22, 2008 3:40 PM PST up reply actions  

In that case
they retracted the thing that made this story funny.
Babies hate me.

by CapSea on Jan 22, 2008 5:36 PM PST up reply actions  

That's actually quite a surprise
Heath Ledger wasn't exactly high on anyone's Death Pool list, though from the description of the scene, it appears he was high on a lot of other things.

Drugs are bad, kids.

by Gomez on Jan 22, 2008 3:25 PM PST reply actions  

Conspiracy
Someone whacked Ledger to increase the interest in the latest installment of the Batman flicks. Heath is/was the Joker BTW.
"You guys should be in every major city. This is some heavy shit. This is, like, Lone Ranger heavy, man."

by AZSEAfan on Jan 22, 2008 3:30 PM PST up reply actions  

Ah, the good old days
when 'viral marketing' meant nothing more than an Internet game, or a poster or two.  Studios are getting desperate.

Yup, far, far, far too soon.

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Jan 22, 2008 3:31 PM PST up reply actions  

Like Gyllenhaal did?
What do I look like, a guy who's not lazy?

by Rollo Tomasi on Jan 22, 2008 5:19 PM PST up reply actions  

Too much
"You guys should be in every major city. This is some heavy shit. This is, like, Lone Ranger heavy, man."

by AZSEAfan on Jan 23, 2008 9:58 AM PST up reply actions  

Well
He finally found a way to quit Jake Gyllenhall...
Too soon?
"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring." ~Rogers Hornsby

by thejew4u on Jan 22, 2008 3:44 PM PST reply actions  

Did he and Renfro ever cheat death together?
People laughed when I told them Final Destination was a true story from the future. Who's laughing now? Not Ledger or Renfro.

by Jeff Sullivan on Jan 22, 2008 4:00 PM PST reply actions  

Heh
These pretzels....are making me thirsty!

by Goose on Jan 22, 2008 5:54 PM PST reply actions  

you know, I normally don't pay attention to this
kinda stuff, but this gets to me somehow. He had a little kid, he's about my age... I dunno, this depresses me.

by Bearskin Rugburn on Jan 22, 2008 5:57 PM PST reply actions  

aw
Ledger was one of my favorite actors. This is all a shame.

by Katal LM on Jan 22, 2008 6:07 PM PST reply actions  

Most of the comments
Really fucking poor taste, you guys.  Guy had a baby daughter.

by Garces on Jan 22, 2008 11:07 PM PST reply actions  

To clarify
It's just that this guy was a celebrity that you can laugh at his death?

If Jeff died, would there be a diary full of "Too bad it wasn't Bavasi!   Too soon?"  If it was Felix who OD'd would there be diaries full of "Breaking news: Hernandez placed on IR - For Eternity" posts?

Just feels kind of weak.  Ledger was the same age as a lot of us here.

by Garces on Jan 22, 2008 11:11 PM PST up reply actions  

It's obviously an awful situation
but I don't think anyone here knew Ledger, or felt any kind of connection with him, so for most of us his death isn't different from anyone else's. Not even the Utah miners'.

by Jeff Sullivan on Jan 22, 2008 11:17 PM PST up reply actions  

He's in the same boat as an athlete
as far as I'm concerned.  I don't know Felix, but I've watched him since he was young and I'd certainly be affected by his death.  I work in the film industry, I'm two years younger almost to the day, and it's not like I'm a stranger to recreational drug use.

I just get the feeling if this was some young Allstar pitcher for the Padres there wouldn't be this level of flippancy.  What I'm saying, I guess, is what's the difference?

by Garces on Jan 22, 2008 11:22 PM PST up reply actions  

I'll paraphrase a line from Trey Parker
Sacred cows are the kiss of death.  The second you decide that something is off limits, then every joke you've ever made is offensive.

That said... joking is, in a way, a manner of dealing with tragic news.  I don't think anyone here holds ill will towards Ledger and his daughter.  It's a shame, but let's not take what happened too personal.

by Gomez on Jan 22, 2008 11:31 PM PST up reply actions  

I can't speak for anyone else
but I feel a connection with athletes, at least the ones I've watched play. I do not feel a connection to Ledger (or Renfro), as I've barely seen anything they've done. For this reason I found Josh Hancock's death more jarring than Ledger's.

Sports are something to which I devote an awful lot of my life. Movies aren't. Neither is popular music, which is why I won't care when Britney and Amy Winehouse die next week. They just don't mean as much to me as a pitcher or a hockey goalie.

Being in the film industry, you obviously have a different perspective. I'm sure I would too, were I in your shoes. But I'm not, and so I can't sit here and force myself to really care too much about this.

by Jeff Sullivan on Jan 22, 2008 11:39 PM PST up reply actions  

well, we made a bunch of Sean Taylor jokes
so I don't see any hypocrisy on our part so far.

But seriously, if you, or anyone, feels a personal connection to him, then yeah, you probably don't want to joke about it. But don't try to project your personal connection on the rest of us; and we didn't make any joke about his family.

150,000+ people die every single day. If you want to take them all seriously you'll go mental.

by Matthew on Jan 22, 2008 11:49 PM PST up reply actions  

Agreed
It's pretty clearly an issue of perspective.  I don't begrudge the jokes, and I appreciate the honesty.  I never had the chance to work with Heath, but Michelle Williams is a friend of a friend and she's always been really nice.  It just sucks to think about what she's going through with the media coverage and the speculation and all that.

It's kind of an odd disconnect we have, and it's one that I guess is necessary.  If everyone took these things too seriously the intertubes would be a pretty miserable place to be.

There is, though, a pretty large public misconception about the everyday lives of actors.  Once you move down from the A List, it's far more regular than you'd think.  I deal with it every day, and it's pretty interesting to see how people actually act compared with how someone walking the streets of Portland will blog about their experience seeing X person browsing a rack at Powell's.

But anyway, your point is more than fair.

by Garces on Jan 23, 2008 12:43 AM PST up reply actions  

Off topic
but what do you do in the film industry?
Shop smart......Shop s-mart...... YOU GOT THAT!!!!

by Scruffy Lefty on Jan 23, 2008 7:07 AM PST up reply actions  

What's your email address?
Only because I think a few people I know browse this site, too.

by Garces on Jan 23, 2008 9:38 AM PST up reply actions  

I work on the production side
So travel, schedules, script distribution, coordinating with agents, etc. etc.

by Garces on Jan 23, 2008 10:30 AM PST up reply actions  

jbergsma14@yahoo.com
Shop smart......Shop s-mart...... YOU GOT THAT!!!!

by Scruffy Lefty on Jan 23, 2008 12:40 PM PST up reply actions  

Little did you know I'm a conservative
Shop smart......Shop s-mart...... YOU GOT THAT!!!!

by Scruffy Lefty on Jan 23, 2008 2:55 PM PST up reply actions  

Also, I make political jokes.
I don't usually get into political arguments.
Babies hate me.

by CapSea on Jan 23, 2008 3:08 PM PST up reply actions  

There is no sense in arguing
neither of us would change each others minds

I'd rather just buy librocrat a beer and have peaceful discussion in which we both come out happy

Shop smart......Shop s-mart...... YOU GOT THAT!!!!

by Scruffy Lefty on Jan 23, 2008 3:38 PM PST up reply actions  

I agree.
I wholeheartedly prefer you buy me a beer. :)
Babies hate me.

by CapSea on Jan 23, 2008 3:48 PM PST up reply actions  

I
apologize if any comment of mine affected you personally. To me though, his death is no more important that any other death that happened yesterday. It is quite tragic considering that he would be willing to throw his life away with drugs. I don't know anything more about his life or his passing than any other outsider but people who die from overdose do not deserve my sorrow (if that really is the case).

I would rather feel pain for the family of Joe Kennedy, the pitcher who died recently from early heart disease. Now that's sad.

"You guys should be in every major city. This is some heavy shit. This is, like, Lone Ranger heavy, man."

by AZSEAfan on Jan 23, 2008 10:06 AM PST up reply actions  

Ironic Heartlessness
The Information Age gives modern man unprecedented awareness of even the most minor occurrences across the entire globe. We have access to unlimited information on every subject, and even unwilling or unwitting participants are constantly exposed to the overflowing font of the 24-hour news cycle.

We become anxious as a result of the disparity between the world we know and the world that we control, being able to see the entire world yet to be able to nothing to affect its state. Senseless tragedies, violence and injustice are not new phenomenons, but our ancestors had the benefit of ignorance as to the state of affairs beyond their immediate concerns. Like all animals, humans react strongly to stimuli that appear to threaten the basical physiological and psychological needs (e.g. food, shelter, safety) and exposure to information of this nature produces powerful reactions even when the source of the information is distant (such as a new item about a murder that occurs in a different country).

The more information that we are forced to comprehend, the more evidence that the inequities we witness are not personal but Cosmic in nature. As our understanding grows, so does our helplessness. That anxiety, if not consciously realized, it gravely felt on the subconscious mind and compels us to seek relief.

As modern humans with unlimited information and limited power, we are hard pressed to reconcile our desire to correct the wrongs that we perceive in the world around us with the subconscious realization that we will never be able accomplish that desire. The result is a uncomfortable state of cognitive dissonance.

Mechanisms to relieve this informational anxiety vary. Humor is a longstanding means of psychological relief, and it is often employed by modern individuals to reduce the impact of anxiety-provoking information on the psyche. By purposefully trivializing a distressing item, the individual might reduce the subconscious impact of that information and thereby limit their own instinctual reaction.

Dramatic mockery of anxiety-provoking stimuli may also highlight the lack of connection between one's personal sphere of activity and the reported event in a fashion that registers with the subconscious. That is to say, the individual not only demonstrates the non-importance of the distressing information to themselves so as to limit its subconscious threat, but invokes powerful social norms to shape their own behavior. If the individual self-demonstrates a desired reaction, in this case resilience and a lack of anxiety, they effectively act as a social model to the subconscious. The subconscious mind then realizes that it would be socially aberrant to succumb to distress over the stimuli at hand the the superego works in alignment with the desired conscious effort to overcome the basic impulses of the id.

by Jordan of Boise on Jan 23, 2008 12:02 AM PST up reply actions  

So we learned from our trip to
Itchy & Scratchy island that violence is funny when it happens to other people.

I agree with humor being a way to deal with stress.  It's how we all handle being Mariners fans.

by Jed MC on Jan 23, 2008 8:00 AM PST up reply actions  

Woohoo I get to use it!
These pretzels....are making me thirsty!

by Goose on Jan 23, 2008 2:00 AM PST up reply actions  

Is this appropriate?
My vote is no.  Here's a bunch of my thoughts as I read your comments:

1.  "I read he died in his own place, but if he was in the Olsen Twins apartment, that makes it even stranger/funnier."  
I agree with the stranger part.  I'm not sure why his death, in and of itself, would be funny at all.

2.  "He finally found a way to quit Jake Gyllenhall...  Too soon?"  (And various comments that immediately preceded it.)  
First of all, I think 99% of the time that's a rhetorical question, and everyone knows it's too soon.  The phrase sounds like a cutesy cover of the fact that the 'joke' is inappropriate.

Secondly, it sounds as though he's being mocked for homosexuality.  Most of you realize he wasn't gay, and it was just a movie role.  So why are all the jokes about this role?  Because it's easy I guess, and/or because you find something innately funny about homosexuality.  Neither attitude do I understand.    

3. "Sacred cows are the kiss of death.  The second you decide that something is off limits, then every joke you've ever made is offensive."
With all respect for Mr. Parker, that sounds like a very convenient cop-out.  Slippery-slope arguments almost never hold up.  There's a line, and the vast majority of us know when it's been crossed ("too soon?").  I think we all know how we can avoid hurting most people's feelings.  If you're not interested in making that effort, because you have this very easy joke to make, I don't agree with that.

4. "That said... joking is, in a way, a manner of dealing with tragic news....  It's a shame, but let's not take what happened too personal."  
There are a lot of other ways to deal with tragedy without offending anyone.  And my understanding is that most of the people making jokes were unaffected by Ledger's death, so why the need for jokes?  And the last sentence is just wrong, as though no one should feel differently than you, and no one should be bothered by jokes at the expense of someone who died so recently.

5.  "150,000+ people die every single day. If you want to take them all seriously you'll go mental."  
Uh, no you won't.  I think we can all get by without making jokes about someone's death, and no one will end up in an asylum.  There are plenty of things to laugh at in this world.  We can afford to be selective.  And if you think someone dying is a good opportunity to make some jokes at his expense, I think it would be better if you shared that joke with a controlled audience - not the internet.  

6. "To me though, his death is no more important that any other death that happened yesterday."  I'd prefer you didn't make jokes about anyone who died yesterday.  

7. "It is quite tragic considering that he would be willing to throw his life away with drugs... people who die from overdose do not deserve my sorrow (if that really is the case)."  
Well, as you point out, you don't know if he died from an overdose.  I'm assuming you mean intentional overdose, and that you'll see it as a tragedy if it turns out to be a bad mix of prescriptions or accidental.  I would think the lack of info would be all the more reason to hold off.  

Let me say, these comments aren't intended personally - I didn't really note the authors of the various comments I quoted.  I guess the easy response to all my bitching is that I didn't have to read it, and maybe there's some validity to that.  But I didn't know what it was until I read it.  

Personally, Ledger's death hasn't really affected me emotionally.  I thought it was sad, I guess, him being a father and all.  I just thought this thread was a little crass.  I'll shut up now.

by The Alaskan on Jan 24, 2008 11:46 AM PST reply actions  

I'm cool with that.
I don't really find it funny either. Though I think I would find it mildly humorous if he was actually in the Olsen Twin's home. Sometimes, no matter how tragic something is, there is a point where you're like "wait... what?" and get a small chuckle.
Babies hate me.

by CapSea on Jan 24, 2008 11:57 AM PST up reply actions  

So then stop reading it
when you do find it inappropriate. How is that difficult?

by Matthew on Jan 24, 2008 12:21 PM PST up reply actions  

So don't post it. How is that difficult?
See how I did that, with throwing a rhetorical question back at you?  I learned that kind of parallel structuring from Woody Paige.

Isn't once enough?  Or is there some quota that needs to be met before being offended is valid?

by The Alaskan on Jan 24, 2008 12:40 PM PST up reply actions  

Because *I* don't find it offensive
and you're not forced to read it.

It's as simple as that. That's what freedom is.

by Matthew on Jan 24, 2008 12:48 PM PST up reply actions  

God Bless America
Listen, I don't want to rewrite the constitution or anything - I'm all about you keeping your freedom.  I'm talking about manners, not law.  All I'm saying is I think it's poor manners.  

I totally agree - I'm not forced to read it.  I chose to read it.  And I'm glad I read it, because now we can have this lively conversation.

by The Alaskan on Jan 24, 2008 12:56 PM PST up reply actions  

You can make a choice not to read it
You're telling us what not to post.  One approach is more open minded than the other.

by Gomez on Jan 26, 2008 8:52 AM PST up reply actions  

Different people have different standards
and there's really nothing wrong with that; it's as the world should be.  And you hit it yourself with your next-to-last paragraph:

"I guess the easy response to all my bitching is that I didn't have to read it, and maybe there's some validity to that."

There's a tremendous amount of validity to that.  Please don't take this personally, but once you realized what was happening, and that it didn't sit well with you for any reason, maybe it was time to stop reading the thread.

If you've spent any amount of time around here, you'd know that the bar for what this site deems offensive and will not talk/joke about is pretty danged low; in the last two months, I've made several jokes inferring that my own mother was a prostitute (which, just for the record, she was not).  And I'm just one poster.  Whether that level of discourse is proper or not is not really the question; the reality is that it happens, it's accepted by a lot of posters and ignored by countless others, and it's been happening long enough that it shouldn't be a surprise when it happens.

I guess what I'm getting at is, I'm sorry if you were offended or taken aback by some of the comments made - they were indeed crass, and tasteless. And it's obvious that you have issues with some of the responses, and that's valid - but maybe next time, skip the thread entirely?

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Jan 24, 2008 12:37 PM PST up reply actions  

You make a good argument
Although I suggest that the jokes about your mother are not going to offend anyone but your mother, so I don't suppose you're in any danger there.

Like I said (I think), I wasn't really offended myself.  I guess I'm "fighting someone else's battles," if you could even call it fighting.  I just think it's a little sad that this kind of thing is being said in such a public forum.  If it was you and your buddies, I would see it differently.  And maybe that's the way I should see it, but it's hard when just anyone can walk in on your conversation.

Anyway, I would hate to change things here.  You guys have a great thing going, being able to discuss things freely.  I just think that free discussion can be done without jokes at someone's expense.  I may very well be wrong about that, though I don't see how.  

by The Alaskan on Jan 24, 2008 12:47 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm not sure it's an issue
of "right" or "wrong"; it's more about what's acceptable to each individual.  

If it was you and your buddies, I would see it differently.

I think that's how a lot of us see this site, really, which may be why this sort of thing runs rampant - the "regulars" here have all posted so long that it seems to be like a group of good friends in the "real world", sitting around drinking beer and busting each other's balls a lot.  

And, just like in the real world, sometimes people will stumble into the insanity, and be shocked by what they hear; there's really no way to mitigate against that, because, again, it all comes down to what someone deems appropriate.  I'm not a big fan of GTE, so I don't post in game threads much; problem solved.

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Jan 24, 2008 12:54 PM PST up reply actions  

That's very well put.
I would say it's only about 'right and wrong' inasmuch as it's about appropriate behavior.  When I ride the bus, and the high schoolers behind me won't stop cursing, and there's a little old lady sitting near me, it bothers me.  I think the high schoolers need to grow up, and try to have some respect for those around them who might not like the way they're talking.  I would say this site is more like that bus than a bunch of friends at someone's house.

But again, I would hate to ruin a plaec where people can get together and just BS like friends do.  So, like you said, maybe those random few just have to accept a little offense, in order to preserve the good.  

by The Alaskan on Jan 24, 2008 1:02 PM PST up reply actions  

The bus is more public, though
I'm right there with you - whenever I ride the bus home, even if there's no old lady on the bus, I get annoyed at random high school kids shouting and swearing.  I am, more or less, that old lady on the bus - why can't people just converse quietly, or listen to headphones.  KIDS THESE DAYS!!!!

/*start looking back at own youth, unrealistically

(Of course, when I was a teenager, I was NEVER like that with my friends on the bus.  NEVER.)

/*end fictional remembrance

Anyway.  This is a website that is, while not closed, certainly not something people who don't at least have a cursory knowledge of the Mariner/baseball universe would just wander across - it's less like that bus than like the semi-secluded back room of the bar, which you won't know is even there unless you're looking for it.

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Jan 24, 2008 1:14 PM PST up reply actions  

If in more public, you mean more diverse
The people on the bus come from all walks of life.   The people who frequent this site come from perhaps a narrower selection, though still a very broad range of backgrounds.  However, since the subject is death (and apparently homosexuality), I wouldn't presume that LL folk have similar opinions, just because they all like the M's, right?  So I don't think your chance of offending someone is really that much lower than on the bus.

I'm sure you've always been a model citizen.  

by The Alaskan on Jan 24, 2008 1:34 PM PST up reply actions  

No, I just meant more public
as in, the bus is more easily accessible to the population as a whole.  The likelihood of a person who has never read/posted/been here before wandering into LL, without having at least some advance knowledge that it might exist, is a lot lower than the likelihood that someone random will catch a bus.  Which means, at least to me, that I can be fairly sure that there are probably, at any given time, not any random nice old ladies checking out LL.

I don't for one second presume that LL'ers all have similar opinions; my only presumption is that a lot of them don't offend easily, and that presumption comes from the familiarity of having spent a lot of time here.

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Jan 24, 2008 1:41 PM PST up reply actions  

Agreed
It's generally the same crowd, and you've probably got a good grasp on what flies and what doesn't.  Sounds like most things fly.  I wonder a little about a "silent majority," but I find it unlikely it exists.

(Doesn't that seem like bad grammer, to say the same pronoun twice ('it') to describe two different nouns?  Have I violated an actual grammatical law, or was it just poorly done?)

by The Alaskan on Jan 24, 2008 1:50 PM PST up reply actions  

Now you've done it.
Just don't make any, mistakes, with a ,comma.

by Jed MC on Jan 24, 2008 1:52 PM PST up reply actions  

It's no worse
than misspelling "grammar", really.  hahaha.

(I'm a very picky speller)

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Jan 24, 2008 2:00 PM PST up reply actions  

Hey now...
There's always room around the campfire.  I mean, you should really hear Librocrat & Graham belt out the tenor parts to Kum-Ba-Yah! A little more help for the bass counter-melody would most certainly be appreciated...  
Ill Ligitamus Non Carberendum

by PositivePaul on Jan 24, 2008 1:03 PM PST up reply actions  

"Yo Ho Yo Ho
A prostitute's life for your mom."

OH SNAP!!!!!!

I kid, I kid. I like your mom. She's aces.

Babies hate me.

by CapSea on Jan 24, 2008 1:29 PM PST up reply actions  

Good choice!
Good band, but Colin's an asshole in real life.

by yourfacemakesmewail on Jan 26, 2008 2:26 PM PST up reply actions  

Hey now...
At least I spelled your name right!
Ill Ligitamus Non Carberendum

by PositivePaul on Jan 24, 2008 1:40 PM PST up reply actions  

Pfft
That's got nothing on the Fark thread.
These pretzels....are making me thirsty!

by Goose on Jan 24, 2008 4:15 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't get it.
I'm missing what's wrong with this.  Some employee at Best Buy puts a sign by the Ledger DVD's, and that's wrong?  Other than this comment from some jackass at Digg:
"Good riddance. Another hollywood fag dead."
Now THAT is worse.

by The Alaskan on Jan 24, 2008 5:05 PM PST up reply actions  

If you think that's bad
don't ever read the comments sections of YouTube videos or AOL blogs.
Babies hate me.

by CapSea on Jan 24, 2008 5:11 PM PST up reply actions  

And I mean at all.
I'm not talking about any one in particular. Read the comments of a Rap Video is like reading the transcripts of trials in the early 1800's south.
Babies hate me.

by CapSea on Jan 24, 2008 5:12 PM PST up reply actions  

In other news
FOREST GROVE - Elmer Vanderzanden, 83, Forest Grove, died Jan. 24, 2008, at his home.

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What kind of shitty name is Vanderzanden?  No wonder he's a rotting corpse!

Too soon?

by Garces on Jan 25, 2008 11:47 AM PST reply actions  

That was my grandfather!
You bastard!

Elmer.  That's a good name.  They don't really name kids Elmer anymore, do they?

by The Alaskan on Jan 25, 2008 1:23 PM PST up reply actions  

That.
And Adolph.
Ill Ligitamus Non Carberendum

by PositivePaul on Jan 25, 2008 1:25 PM PST up reply actions  

According to the Social Security Agency,
in 2006 Elmer was the 907th most popular boy's name and Adolph wasn't ranked, but Adolfo was 581'st.

http://www.ssa.gov/cgi-bin/popularnames.cgi

by Jed MC on Jan 25, 2008 1:30 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm naming my first son
Alexander Temujin and he shall conquer the entire world!

by Matthew on Jan 25, 2008 1:42 PM PST up reply actions  

can't have a second son
that just creates a rivalry between the two that leads to the downfall of my family reign. I mean, come on.

One son + many daughters to marry over to rival kingdoms before eventually conquering them.

by Matthew on Jan 25, 2008 1:53 PM PST up reply actions  

Damn
I wish I knew this two kids ago!  Now I have to lay on my deathbed and watch my three boys tear everything I built apart.

Oh, well.

by The Alaskan on Jan 25, 2008 2:03 PM PST up reply actions  

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