Churchill - Bedard-Jones Update

by wadswerth on Jan 14, 2008 10:29 PM PST Comment 49 comments

Another league source claims he spoke with someone close to the situation in Baltimore and got the impression that Seattle was likely to cave on Morrow before agreeing to include Triunfel in any trade, but that no progress involving the right-hander had been achieved.

well according to churhill at prospect insider that sounds like better news then losing both jones and truinfel.

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It would be nice if Morrow replaced Jones

but I don't think this is what it means.

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by Mariner John on Jan 14, 2008 10:31 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

no it would

be i belive jones/morrow/sherrill

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by wadswerth on Jan 14, 2008 10:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

heh

didnt even look at the main page story before writing this diary. derrr doh me smart

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by wadswerth on Jan 14, 2008 10:31 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

So....

I'm a little confused on the Mariners thinking. We want to include Jones but won't do Morrow why? Doesn't Bedard make Morrow repetative? Are the O's requiring Jones no matter what? I guess what is the list of want for the O's? We have barely any clue huh.

by Edgar for Pres on Jan 14, 2008 10:39 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

alot of speculation

and guessing is mainly all we have... damn slow time for seattle sports so this is about it

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by wadswerth on Jan 14, 2008 10:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I don't get it either

If we're so convinced that Morrow is going to be t his frontline starter this year that we can't trade him then kicking him out of the rotation is pretty dumb.

My trading for Bedard we'll guarantee Morrow as a reliever, lowering his value.

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by I'm NOT Corco on Jan 14, 2008 10:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah, its just wierd

by Edgar for Pres on Jan 14, 2008 11:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

No it's not wierd

Of course the O's are demanding that Jones be the centerpiece of the deal. He's the only bankable prospect we have. Morrow/Wlad/Clement MAY turn out to be above average major leaguers, but Jones almost certainly will. Similarly, GS52 is guaranteed to produce. That's what good GM's want. Not Jesse Flop-pert.

The M's are convinced Morrow can miss bats... can be a stud pitcher... can be the next Gil Meche. He's under team control for a few more years. They also know pitchers capable of dominating from the Starting Pitcher role at the ML level are rare. It makes total sense they want to keep him... even if he gets stuck in the bullpen for another year of "development". Teams need more than 5 starting pitchers. We've had to pay through the nose for mediocre starters the last few years... how nice would it be to have one waiting in the wings... ready to fill in when someone gets injured.

Also... if you're going to trade Morrow, imagine how much higher his trade value will be next year if he performs a bit better in 08 and maybe gets a few successful starts under his belt (either at AAA or with the M's.)

by johnbai on Jan 15, 2008 9:43 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

The problem is you only have 5 SP spots

and for the next two years they are all full. I don't think its reasonable to expect to stick Morrow into a SP spot after 2 yrs in the bullpen. We've already got a closer in Putz so the value of Morrow in the bullpen is pretty low.

by Edgar for Pres on Jan 15, 2008 1:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

5 starting spots

but every team winds up using 6-9 different starters based on injuries. Having Morrow as a swingman that could work long relief in the pen until he is needed for spot starts wouldn't be so terrible on his development.

Unless you're one of those that believes you can only become a good starter by starting every fifth day... and that you should do it in the minors until you're ready to contribute at the MLB level. And I think there's probably a lot of validity to that.

Oddly, Morrow actually has the most to gain/lose depending on whether he's pegged as a reliever or a starter. Since starters make about 8-10x the salary of relievers.

by johnbai on Jan 15, 2008 2:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

If Morrow is a swingman only getting 10 starts/yr

then I'd rather trade him and keep somebody else.

by Edgar for Pres on Jan 15, 2008 2:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Well

just to be clear, you're talking about trading Morrow and protecting Tillman.

There's no way trading Morrow allows us to keep Jones. Jones IS the package... the rest of these guys are like roasted carrots and potatos next to the suckling pig.

And if you'd rather keep Tillman, that's... um... whatever. I don't know enough about Tillman to have an opinion.

by johnbai on Jan 15, 2008 4:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

True

I guess there's no real discussion since we are forced to include Jones.

by Edgar for Pres on Jan 15, 2008 5:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I think that right now

Tillman has a better shot of being an above average starter than Morrow does. But I could be way off base.

by patsfan on Jan 16, 2008 5:53 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

This is from mlb.com

"Various reports continue to link Bedard with the Mariners as Spring Training approaches. A source told MLB.com on Sunday that the Orioles have given up trying to obtain reliever Brandon Morrow in the deal, and would instead accept Mariners Minor League Pitcher of the Year Chris Tillman. Baltimore also apparently wants left-handed reliever George Sherrill included in the deal"

i heard that the orioles demanded morrow in the deal and the mariners called their bluff but the orioles really dont want to walk away with nothing and now they will settle for tillman instead of morrow. It seems bavasi finally did something smart.

by rturk89 on Jan 14, 2008 10:59 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Just found out why the o's want sherrill

over at dov an o's insider said they want sherril because they intend to then flip him or jamie walker to the braves for Brent Lillibridge. Now it makes sense why they want sherrill.

by rturk89 on Jan 14, 2008 11:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Just found out why the o's want sherrill ov

over at dov an o's insider said they want sherril because they intend to then flip him or jamie walker to the braves for Brent Lillibridge. Now it makes sense why they want sherrill.

by Graham on Jan 15, 2008 1:18 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I hope you mean at the price he would command

because not wanting Lincecum is wrong.

by Robert on Jan 15, 2008 8:39 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I'm glad I'm not the only one

who thought that.

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by pdb on Jan 15, 2008 8:41 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Beat me to it.

I was going to add a Do. Not. Want. but I got into work too late because of the ice.

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by Librocrat on Jan 15, 2008 10:08 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

n/s

Is this the new "Olerud sucks?"

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by MFAN on Jan 15, 2008 9:42 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Just found out why the o's want sherrill

over at dov an o's insider said they want sherril because they intend to then flip him or jamie walker to the braves for Brent Lillibridge. Now it makes sense why they want sherrill.

by Graham on Jan 15, 2008 1:18 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Did I miss something?

These pretzels....are making me thirsty!

by Goose on Jan 15, 2008 1:55 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

He posted that in about 6 different threads

by Graham on Jan 15, 2008 1:56 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

and it's equally credible in all of them

Hint: referencing DOV as a source = not a good idea when establishing credibility.

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by pdb on Jan 15, 2008 7:05 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Whoa!

So you mean that DOV isn't right a lot of the time. I mean I never remember him ever being too optimistic or pulling stuff out of you know where to prove something. The O's would never want Sherril cause their bullpen sucks and he's under team control for a few years at almost no cost. No, thats a stupid idea, DOV must be right. There must be some outlandish idea of why the O's would ever want Sherril.

(By the way, this was revised before posting to be more civil)

by Edgar for Pres on Jan 15, 2008 8:11 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

but the O's are rebuilding

why would they want a 30 year old reliever?

by Mere Tantalisers on Jan 15, 2008 8:38 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

The O's suck at rebuilding

What have they been doing for years now. Their bullpen sucks right now.

by Edgar for Pres on Jan 15, 2008 8:44 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I don't think they've committed

to rebuilding before this offseason.

They were hanging on to a lot of star power trying to "retool" as they continued to contend.
This worked about as well for them as it has for the Mariners and maybe the Dodgers. These second tier payroll teams really need to rethink the strategy.

by johnbai on Jan 15, 2008 9:46 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I don't know

why did they want Walker, Baez, Bradford, Williamson, Hawkins, Brower, Halama, Kline, Reed, Grimsley, Baldwin, Byrdak, Williams, DeJean, Groom, Ligtenberg, Carrasco, Brock, Perez, Trombley, McElroy, or Timlin?

by Jeff on Jan 15, 2008 8:47 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs