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At Least We Never Saw Francisco Rodriguez

I hate that guy.

For a few hours now I've been trying to think of what to say, how to make sense of what we've seen over the past three games. This is what I came up with:

We just got blasted.

There's really no other way around it. We got absolutely throttled by a better baseball team. No, they're not this much better. They're not sweep-on-the-road-and-outscore-22-to-8 better. Jered Weaver isn't better than Felix Hernandez, Garrett Anderson isn't a better hitter than Raul Ibanez, Jeff Mathis isn't better than Kenji Johjima, and Dustin Mosely isn't better than the top of our bullpen. They were better for three games, but given what Kansas City did in LA not too long ago, we should always be careful not to arrive at too many specific conclusions based on such a limited sample.

Overall, though, the Angels are a demonstrably better team than the Mariners. That point wasn't made this week, but it was certainly driven home. They're better on the mound, they're better in the field, and they're just as good at the plate. People will talk about alleged differences in team attitude and confidence, but even if those statements are true and the differences exist, they don't mean nearly as much as the fact that Los Angeles just has more talent than we do. That's never pleasant to hear, but in a way it is a little comforting to know that we haven't been relegated to runner-up status by virtue of bad managing alone. We're in second place because we're the second-best team in the division.

The hype, the excitement, the potential - in a red blur, it all disappeared. While the crowds were never that enthusiastic to begin with, I am a little concerned about the next time Safeco hosts a big series, because a lot of people are going to remember this and wait to be impressed before they allow themselves to get all the way back into this team. This was as deflating and demoralizing as any series can be, and I can already hear the snarky remarks about Lollablueza Returns. It sucks, but can you blame them? When's the last time they really - really - had something to cheer for?

People are going to respond to this series differently. There are two main camps: one that feels like the season is over, and one that points out how we're still tied for the Wild Card with a decisive series in the Bronx coming up next week. There will be clashes and a lot of name-calling as one group tries to claim that they're the better fans, while the other group wonders out loud why the optimists can't see the writing on the wall.

At their hearts, neither one is wrong. This isn't a debate about the standings; everybody knows that the Mariners are still in the hunt. No, this is a matter of emotion and psychology. Some people have it in them to remain hopeful in the darkest of circumstances, while others have watched this take place enough times before to see a pattern. To argue against somebody's opposing viewpoint is to think you can change who they are as a person, which is really kind of a silly and selfish thing to attempt. Some people are optimists. Some people are pessimists. Because of their nature they're going to interpret the Mariners' current situation in different ways, and it just isn't worth all the arguments we're going to see.

Fortunately, the neat thing about baseball is that we don't have to wait very long to see how this all plays out. Win tomorrow and a lot of people are back on the wagon. Extend the slump and we'll have more jumping off. The arguments change every day, and never are they more intense than when the team's riding a streak or a slump. There's just something about extreme performances that always manages to get the emotions running high.

Right now, nobody knows. Everyone has their suspicions, but just when this team has looked dead, it's sprung back to life. When the Mariners lost six in a row in April, they took seven of their next eight. When they dropped six more in June, they won ten of their next eleven. And the seven-game skid in July was followed by possibly the best run of the season. You never like to be put in a position where you're waiting for the good because the bad's already happened, but here we are, and it's all we have. Maybe this is just the nature of the beast. Maybe this team actually has it in them to make another run. Maybe they'll find a way to bounce back from this letdown and get the last laugh. Maybe this is all part of their plan to give us a true storybook ending.

And if they don't, and if it's not, at least we'll always have this. No matter what happens now or down the road, that's ours forever.

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Yeah.
I don't think there are enough words in the dictionary to describe how much that game sucked. :(

'02 helped a lot though.  Now it's just another old battle scar, instead of being another festering wound that won't heal.  It'll happen for you all someday too, I'm sure of it.  You'll look back on this series as just one in a series of bitter experiences that made the ultimate victory that much better.  Or you'll just wonder in helpless rage why the hell McLaren was left in charge of the team.  It'll be one of the two. >_>

*Visiting Angels fan* Never give up, never surrender!

by TheOptimist on Aug 29, 2007 9:26 PM PDT   0 recs

Kudos Jeff
your writing goes a long way towards helping the grieving process

by mariners124m on Aug 29, 2007 9:39 PM PDT   0 recs

I wish we had seen KRod
because that elbow only has so many more pitches in it and I'm just waiting for it to explode.

by Edgar for Pres on Aug 29, 2007 9:52 PM PDT   0 recs

I think it'd be funny
if, in a moment of irony, it somehow popped while he was doing his little dance.

by Gomez on Aug 29, 2007 10:49 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I don't think we're done, BUT...
If we do a totally tailspin and end up 5+ games out of the WC to NYY and around 8+ games out of the division do you guys think Mac and Bavasi will be back? I'd assume they're coming back no matter what (unfortunately). I'm seriously just wondering...I really have no clue.
Horacio Ramirez is God's gift to whoever the Mariners happen to be playing.

by SethGrandpa on Aug 29, 2007 10:43 PM PDT   0 recs

If they go like 4-20 in September than maybe
they might get fired. But do you think that's gonna happen? Me neither.
These pretzels....are making me thirsty!

by Goose on Aug 29, 2007 10:46 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

They're not getting fired
The team is about to have its first winning season since 2003, after hanging in the pennant and wildcard races for most of the year.  That's gonna be how Bavasi's judged and how McLaren's judged, not their micro-level personnel moves.

by Gomez on Aug 29, 2007 11:05 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Ya I don't think it will happen, but it should...
If they tank.
Horacio Ramirez is God's gift to whoever the Mariners happen to be playing.

by SethGrandpa on Aug 29, 2007 11:25 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I am probably going
to one of the yankee's games in KC a next weekend. If everyone would like to pool some money together for bail and a lawyer, I am willing to run on to the field and attempt to injure Arod, Jetes, and Matsui in one fell swoop. How I will do that as a skinny white guy is another story.

by hcoguy on Aug 30, 2007 12:08 AM PDT   0 recs

Wild Card odds?
What do you guys think our wild card odds are? Coolstandings has us at 21%. I'd say that's generous. 10% unless we go into Yankee stadium and sweep their asses which isn't gonna happen..

by phil333 on Aug 30, 2007 1:01 AM PDT   0 recs

I think there's about a 20% chance of the playoffs
Horacio Ramirez is God's gift to whoever the Mariners happen to be playing.

by SethGrandpa on Aug 30, 2007 1:06 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I'd really like
The Yanks and BoSox to bleed each other down, the Tribe to coast into the AL Central, and any two AL West teams make the postseason.  If for no other reason than to see ESPN gag and spew over our 'weak' division.

by Ed Coffin on Aug 30, 2007 8:57 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I think we have a fair shot
depending on how this next week pans out...even if we go 5-5, or somehow 6-4, we then have 21 games left, and the Yankees will have 18 left.  Also depends on if Detroit sticks around.  Right now, KC is my 2nd favorite team...they have handled Detroit, and they have the Yankees for 3 coming up...

But we'll know a lot more next Sunday night--the 9th, that is...

by LBDave on Aug 30, 2007 9:08 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

After the playoffs
Ok - so when we make the ALDS, we are locked into matching up with Boston, which we all know, makes us underdogs.

I give us a 35% change to beat Boston - a lot can happen in a short series, but that's besides the point.

If we make the playoffs then Joe Torre gets canned by the Yanks, and we can pick him up for next year.

Plausible?

Bring back the Pilots . . .

by cmartinj on Aug 30, 2007 6:10 AM PDT   0 recs

No, not really
but I am all for bringing back the Pilots, too...I enjoyed watching them as a 10th grader at old Sicks' Seattle Stadium.  And they are breaking everyone's hearts in Wisconsin this year.

by LBDave on Aug 30, 2007 9:10 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

A couple of things seem clear after these games
  1. Sexson has to go into a platoon. This move is maybe way too late to salvage the playoffs, but that dead wood has to sit more. Even better would be to get rid of him somehow. (Can he be put on waivers again? Let Detroit have him for gosh sakes! They also take on the ridiculous salary, right? Pulling Sexson back was a moronic move and may have cost us the playoffs. It will come down to only a couple games effectively)
  2. Sit down Lopez's butt until he gets his head straightened out, his fat behind rested, or whatever. His moronic mental mistakes are a huge sabotage to the morale and momentum of the team.
He doesn't deserve to be out there.

3. I suspect that the umpires for this series were in on the take. They tried to cover their asses with some blatent "make-up calls" after it didn't really matter with the outlook of the games clear, but something extremely stinky about them.
Wish someone could investigate this.

by Tom C on Aug 30, 2007 6:27 AM PDT   0 recs

Maybe my comment
about the umps possibly being on the take is an exxageration, but they did us over good.
Seems natural to suspect that something's up (rather than incompetency).

by Tom C on Aug 30, 2007 6:36 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I tried getting an "N-B-A" chant going
during Monday's game, but it never caught on.

by Katal LM on Aug 30, 2007 6:59 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

LOL! Good one katal
Guess it was too subtle for the crowd though.

by Tom C on Aug 30, 2007 12:54 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Luck, chickens, roosts
For me, this season has already been a pleasant surprise.  The baseball gods smiled on us with  timely (uh, lucky) hitting in the late innings, the resurrection of Mr. Weaver and Rauuul (from the dead, I'm telling you!), even a very occasional "good" outing from HoRam. Going in, I thought they'd be lucky to be .500 (for the record, I voted 71-75 wins in the poll, which makes me a pessimist, I admit), so this has all been gravy as far as I'm concerned. To me, this was a stop-gap team, assembled to be unembarrassing, while some of the pitching prospects ripened on the vine.

Things took a startling turn when the M's began to win with their pecking chickens attack in late innings combined with the bullpen excellence (even without Soriano). And somehow that caused us more aggravation than not, because then the failures of the manager and players became more important. And it also interfered with the development of some of our prospects, specifically AJ, whose game has now been turned into radioactive sludge by the decision to sit him.  That's irritating, especially if you're looking down the road a bit farther for an M's team that can really compete against the best teams.

So, none of this is predictive. Maybe the M's, lucky chickens, will continue their death by a thousand pecks assault on American League pitching, including the Yankees, and scramble into the WC slot.  But if not, I can't help thinking that we got more than our fair share!  

rightly, in every age it is assumed we are witnessing the disappearance of the last traces of paradise... Cioran

by toonprivate on Aug 30, 2007 8:26 AM PDT   0 recs

thanks...
for the chuckle!
I agree that there have been far more wins than anticipated...and all in all, a fun ride.

by gblady on Aug 30, 2007 9:24 AM PDT   0 recs

I'm a cynic
What separates a cynic from a pessimist is that a cynic can see the drawbacks but does so to have a more complete mindset, understands that success can still happen, but that in some situations it isn't likely.  A pessimist, meanwhile, assumes the worst, period.

The cynical mindset understands that the M's just received a crushing blow to their division title hopes, and a strong blow to their wildcard hopes... and that while they certainly can recover and take one or the other and that you can't count them out, the chances of doing so are greatly diminished.

by Gomez on Aug 30, 2007 10:02 AM PDT   0 recs

At least Rev Halofan is still good for a laugh
I'm not linking to it because it's there on the sidebar, but he's got a post crowing about how the sweep "proves" the existence of intangibles, that only atheistic Seattle statheads refuse to believe in.

But let me get this straight - the team with more talent and better statistics beats the team that has  won more games than anyone ever expected, and THAT's supposed to prove the existence of intangibles???

by Nadingo on Aug 30, 2007 10:11 AM PDT   0 recs

As Douglas Adams pointed out
as soon as you prove the existence of God, he/she/it will cease to have meaning, because faith will no longer be necessary.

Luckily Rev Halofan has only proved that he is an idiot.

by johnbai on Aug 30, 2007 10:57 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Thanks Jeff
After my little shit the bed comment yesterday, I kind of felt bad. I don't want the optimists to give up at all. This is how I'm feeling. It's like having an alcoholic friend that disappoints you over and over. You love them, you want them so badly to get with the program, but they continue to flake out and disappoint. You cheer them on but at the same time you know they are going to fail you, so after a while you stop letting them get your hopes up and you embrace the few bright spots. So in the end, you build an emotional wall where you store your hope until they do something that is worthy of it.

I love the M's but I am not getting my hopes up for Oct. baseball and I'll just be happy we are not as bad as we were the last couple of years.  

by InSpokane on Aug 30, 2007 10:11 AM PDT   0 recs

I'm a realist
what I mean by that is that, I enjoy the game of baseball, and I enjoy following the Mariners in specific.  I follow stats, analyze players but don't get so wrapped up in it that it becomes my world and starts to effect me emotionally.  Yeah I'm happy when they win and bummed when they lose, but being a realist I realize that baseball is entertainment and meant to be a distraction something to enjoy.  I have had good friends die, watched people I didn't know get into a wreck and pass away, and I've watched relatives battle cancer and other diseases and thru all that realized that the important things in life doesn't begin with baseball and the Mariners.  So when I start driving myself to the point of frustration and anger that I'm taking the joy out of what is meant to be entertainment I step away for a while.

I see people on here that went to some of these past 3 games and talk about how they left early because they were totally disgusted with the teams play and I just sit there shaking my head because I'm in a situation where in the past 16 years I have only been able to attend one Mariners game in person, and those that can go on a whim are lucky in my eyes.

by MfaninAlaska on Aug 30, 2007 10:19 AM PDT   0 recs

Oh hi
I'm one of those people.

I don't shit on Yankee fans for leaving games early, even though seeing a game in Yankee Stadium is a unique experience I've never had.  I left because what I was watched ceased to be entertaining, I had to be up early the next morning and didn't feel watching the home team lose 6-0 was worth losing hours of sleep, but I appreciate you taking a sanctimonious holier than thou apporach to judging my actions.

While your general point is true, using it to judgmentally flame somebody for their actions in a vacuum pretty much negates whatever positivity your point was supposed to bring to the table.

by Gomez on Aug 30, 2007 10:26 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I wasn't trying
to flame anyone.  I was pointing out that you guys are lucky that you can go to a game on a whim, and your situations are different then mine because you have the luxury of leaving a game early depending upon your circumstances, where as I don't have the luxury of going at all.

I shake my head because I'm envious not because I'm better.

Apologies if that last statement came across as any type of attack.

by MfaninAlaska on Aug 30, 2007 10:32 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Okay, cool
Again, the rest of your point was a very good point to make, to keep in perspective that, even if the M's tank or whatever, that there are far worse things that happen in this world.

by Gomez on Aug 30, 2007 10:36 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

so...
With respect, I disagree with the "keep it in perspective" argument.  Obviously, the M's are not the most important thing in the world.  One of the reasons it is fun to be a fan is that it doesn't really matter.  The significance of virtually everything (insert sucky things) can get tiring as hell.  So we have the M's: a refuge from that that matters and something we can safely argue about across the multitude of divides between us.  So, let's try not to bring perspective into the discussion, we can do that on our own.  This sweep sucked balls, so now we just have to wait for the next game and be grateful we have Ballgame's grit to guide us through.

by big on Aug 30, 2007 11:26 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Larry said it best
in response to the Josh Hancock thing:
it's obligatory when something like this happens to say that death puts it all into perspective --- it reminds us how little the games, the winning and losing, really matter. true, as far as it goes. but it's also true that being a fan is largely about abandoning perspective. this is a willful, deliberate choice; we know going in that the attention, money, and emotional energy we commit to baseball is way out of proportion to the game's true affect on our lives. yet we make the investment anyway because it's in human nature to do so. people need symbols and rituals, we need tribes to belong to, we need to feel occasionally like we're part of a heroic struggle; our teams and our games provide a largely harmless outlet for those impulses.

by Jeff on Aug 30, 2007 11:40 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Or, as my former co-blogger expressed...
Why do we relate to the game of Major League baseball as if it were somehow truly real and essential in our lives? It's the "material alienation which reigns in the conditions of [our] existence" (241). Our existence, on this earth, is probably unfulfilling, and likely somewhat depressing. With all the negative and stressful aspects of life, our minds seek a respite from reality. For many, MLB serves as that island of serenity in a sea of chaos. We alienate ourselves from the unpredictable, unpleasant true conditions of the world in a sanctuary of familiar and comforting entities: balls, strikes, outs, hits, errors, and runs. While we are watching an MLB game, we are not worrying about where our next meal is going to come from, the homeless person sleeping on the streetcorner, the breaking down of our traditional freedoms, or the like; All we are concerned with is who is up to bat and how they generally fare against this specific pitcher.

MLB is pure escapism (based on age-old dramatic themes- love, hate, heroism, shame and redemption) though we relate to the game as if it were reality. We don't cry about genocides in Africa, we cry when our team loses a close game. We aren't upset when an innocent person is jailed without cause or chance to post bail, we get mad when an umpire calls a clear strike a ball, or vice versa. Althusser writes, "what is represented in ideology is therefore not the system of the real relations which govern the existence of individuals, but the imaginary relation of those individuals to the real relations in which they live"

--from "Is Baseball an Ideology?"

Who'm I kidding? BOOOOOOOOO RICHIE!!! FREE BROUUUUUUUSAAAARRRRDDD!!!!

by PositivePaul on Aug 30, 2007 11:56 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I drove up from Eugene for the whole series
Let me tell you, there's nothing worse than watching fans fill up the stadium three consecutive days, and then watching the entire Ms team--pitchers, position players, management--come out with lackluster effort. If you get beat in heartbreaking fashion by a better team, fine, but I felt like this team snoozed instead of stepping it up during the most important series of the year. When I read some of the wrap ups about the first game Tuesday morning, and read that the team was relaxed and joking about after the loss... well, I think that's pretty indicative of where their heads were at.

Let's hope we see a dramatic turn around in the coming days.

by mary on Aug 30, 2007 10:32 AM PDT   0 recs

OhmyGodohmyGodohmyGod....
Dudes, dudes! DUDES!

I think there is a CHICK in the comment thread!

Act cool guys, act cool...  Dude! Quit staring!

"Every Halloween, the trees are filled with underwear. Every spring, the toilets explode."

by Thingray on Aug 30, 2007 10:58 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Ironic how?
"Every Halloween, the trees are filled with underwear. Every spring, the toilets explode."

by Thingray on Aug 30, 2007 11:53 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I think the bullpen did well in the series
but yeah other than that, terrible performance across the board.

by Matthew on Aug 30, 2007 11:11 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

First Clemens and now Wang?
Red Sox are asleep at the wheel.

by ThundaPC on Aug 30, 2007 11:32 AM PDT   0 recs

HEY EVERYBODY
CHIEN-MING WANG IS THROWING A NO-HITTER, YES, A NO-HITTER!  THE RED SOX NEED TO WIN FOR US AND THEY'RE GETTING NO-HIT!  Can I jinx him anymore?

by BrettJMiller on Aug 30, 2007 11:57 AM PDT   0 recs

It worked.
HEY EVERYONE WANG IS THROWING A SHUTOUT!!!
Who'm I kidding? BOOOOOOOOO RICHIE!!! FREE BROUUUUUUUSAAAARRRRDDD!!!!

by PositivePaul on Aug 30, 2007 12:07 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

That's what she said.
"Every Halloween, the trees are filled with underwear. Every spring, the toilets explode."

by Thingray on Aug 30, 2007 12:11 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Thanks a lot
for playing like crap, BoSox.

It's really painful to root for those bozos (though I like Manny) but I hate the Yanks more, even without the wild cad thing.

by Tom C on Aug 30, 2007 12:58 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

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