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Allow me to predict some of the complaints we'll probably hear over the next 20 hours or so:

The team looks like they weren't even trying.

The Mariners were clearly overlooking their opponent in anticipation of the Angels series.

Good teams don't split important series against a team like Texas. Playoff teams win three, championship teams win four.

People always love to overreact to games like this. I don't mean bloggers or readers, either; I mean everyone, fans and journalists alike. There's some sort of inexplicably sick satisfaction to be derived when you make sweeping conclusions following one or two games. I've never quite understood the appeal, but it's there, and there's no denying the frequency with which it rears its head.

Here's the thing, though - as I've written before, it just doesn't make sense to try and extract psychological character from performance. There's so little overlap and so much noise that not even the most thorough analysis of one will tell you much of anything about the other. Personally, I find it more than a little presumptuous to think that we can sit here and watch this team lose to Vicente Padilla and infer from this that the lineup was packing it in. What evidence is there to suggest that this is even remotely true? Did the entire team pack it in, or was it just a few guys? If they were really packing it in, how come they only lost by two, and tried to rally in the ninth? Do you really think the team would take kindly to the implication that they were giving less than their best effort in what was clearly an important game to win?

The psychological explanations may be more cathartic, but here's what it comes down to: the Mariners have a singles-based offense that doesn't walk and loves to put the ball in play early in the count. Just as is the case for individual players with the same profile, those types of offenses will be prone to wild swings in performance. The results of a patient and/or powerful approach will be fairly consistent; the results of an aggressive, weaker approach will not. Some days this lineup will look unbeatable, and other times it'll look like this. That's just the nature of the offense that Bavasi's put together.

Nobody likes to lose to a last-place team and fall further behind the division leaders, but in the end, that's all it is - one loss. We're still two up on the Yankees, who also crapped the bed against some mediocre pitchers. And remember, last time we had a game like this - when we got shut down by Scott Baker - the Mariners came back out and put together a nine-game stretch over which they scored 59 runs with a .949 OPS. One game tells you very, very little about what's going to happen in the next. Keep that in mind and I imagine you'll sleep better tonight than you thought you would after Yuni struck out. Today sucked, but it's the next three days that're critically important. Now is not the time to give up on this team.

Around this time last year, the Tigers lost a series to the Rangers (80-82), the Twins lost a series to the Royals (62-100), the Yankees lost a series to the Orioles (70-92), the A's split with the Royals, the Padres lost a series to the Rockies (76-86), the Mets lost a series to the Phillies (85-77), the Cardinals got swept by the Pirates (67-95), and the Dodgers got swept by their closest division rival. Somehow, those teams managed to put it behind them and make the playoffs. Why should we think that the Mariners' brand of suck is unique and five times as crippling?

Seven of the eight teams who held playoff spots on August 26th last season played in October. The same goes for the year before that. This is still a good situation, no matter how much we try to convince ourselves that it's not. I know it could be better, but it could also be way, way worse. Save your emotion for the next three games.

Chart coming soon.

Biggest Contribution: Adrian Beltre, +4.3%
Biggest Suckfest: Yuniesky Betancourt, -14.3%
Most Important At Bat: Beltre single, +10.9%
Most Important Pitch: Sosa homer, -14.2%
Total Contribution by Pitcher(s): +0.8%
Total Contribution by Position Players: -56.0%
Total Contribution by Opposition: +5.2%

(What is this chart?)

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I'm going to use this defense
the next time I'm at work or school and a boss/professor pulls me aside and openly questions my dedication or character because of some subtle bullshit or an isolated incident.

Honestly, I think the reason we do this sort of thing is because we as a society do this sort of thing.  We read into small sample sizes and things we observe more than our observations probably warrant.  We see people talk about other people like 'He/she has something special about him/her.'  THE FUCK does that mean, and what does it matter?

by Gomez on Aug 26, 2007 9:31 PM PDT reply actions  

I pretty much accepted that we were boned today
And just admired some of Padilla's 54 MPH slow-motion junk that he threw in between his 90 MPH pitches.

But we're still in contention, we're still leading the Wild Card by 2.0 and we're still in striking distance of 1st place in the AL West.  Strangely enough for us there is a LOT of baseball left to play, as opposed to hopeful longshots who have to make up ground in a hurry if they want a chance to see October baseball from anywhere other than a couch.

by ThundaPC on Aug 26, 2007 9:50 PM PDT reply actions  

I know some Nicaraguans
who take a great deal of pride out of the successes of the relatively few Nicaraguan major leaguers, and I'm sure they're delighted every time Padilla succeeds.  So I'm happy to write this loss off as a victory for Nicaraguans everywhere.  They deserve something to celebrate every once in a while.

by Nadingo on Aug 27, 2007 9:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

Nice recap, Jeff
It helped put things in perspective.

I'm still worried about the Angels series - it seems that when the Mariners lose, they lose in bunches. Hope I'm wrong.

by Katal LM on Aug 26, 2007 10:36 PM PDT reply actions  

I'm just plain worried
I like that we have won so much.  I'm still just shocked.  I feel guilty cause I live with a Tigers fan and a twins fan and they just look at our team and are confused how we won any games.

by Edgar for Pres on Aug 26, 2007 10:55 PM PDT reply actions  

I'm confused how we won any games.
Seriously though, people who know I'm a M's fan ask me how they're so good and I don't have a real answer for them. I usually just say bullpen & luck.
Horacio Ramirez is God's gift to whoever the Mariners happen to be playing.

by SethGrandpa on Aug 26, 2007 11:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

All I have to say is...
The team looks like they weren't even trying. The Mariners were clearly overlooking their opponent in anticipation of the Angels series. Good teams don't split important series against a team like Texas. Playoff teams win three, championship teams win four. ... Actually I haven't caught the last two games. I think I"m glad I didn't.
Horacio Ramirez is God's gift to whoever the Mariners happen to be playing.

by SethGrandpa on Aug 26, 2007 11:24 PM PDT reply actions  

Lopez only avoided being the biggest suckfest
because he cued a bloop into right field in the 9th. Man, he looks downright terrible. I know we're winning, and you don't want to mess with a winning lineup... but would it really hurt the team to have Ben Broussard and Princess Willy in there to man the right side of the infield? Oh, and Guillen's range in RF is absolutely painful to watch. Gomez chases after balls better than Shank.

by johnbai on Aug 26, 2007 11:58 PM PDT reply actions  

I think it might be time for Nick Green
Green might be a gigantic fluke, it's just hard to believe he could worse than Jose Lopez.

by JLC on Aug 27, 2007 1:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

Thanks, Jeff
For not being completely emotional and ridiculous. I was getting kinda frustrated reading the comments on the USSM thread today about how "playoff teams never lose series to bad teams late in the season" and other such nonsense. I actually stole a paragraph from you and posted it there -- with attribution, of course -- because I don't think I could have said it much better.

There are 162 games. Going 2-2 in a series isn't a harbinger of a terrible collapse.

Go Mariners!

by Teej on Aug 27, 2007 1:13 AM PDT reply actions  

I think most folks
Still have a last-place complex disorder.  We have one of the best records in baseball but we're not as good as [insert +.500 team here].

by ThundaPC on Aug 27, 2007 2:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, being an M's fan,
at least over the past few years, you tend to expect the worst. It just frustrates me when people think baseball is like football, where losing a game can mean the end of the world. It's a grind, and that's what makes baseball unique. And that's also what makes it awesome. But as a fan, you have to be able to put up with this shit. With a full month left, you simply can't freak out over one series. Especially when you have the wildcard lead and the team behind you is losing games, too. It's trying on all of us. We can be furious with a manager's moves and a GM's strategies, and I will never say that we shouldn't be critical where criticism is due. I just scoff at the insane conclusions so many people jump to based on such a tiny series of events.

But pennant, wild card or long trip home, this has been an incredible year. We as M's fans are pretty docile, to be honest. We get excited over just being competitive. A season like this is a blast. I can't imagine being a Yankees or Red Sox fan and expecting to win it all every year. I think the constant disappointment would wear me out.

by Teej on Aug 27, 2007 2:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

Baseball is unique
And one game doesn't mean anything. Remember the old saying, everyone wins 54 games, everyone loses 54 games, it's what you do with the other 54 games that counts. Sometimes it's hard though, cause as I've written before, this team has disapointed us so many times in the past it's hard to feel optimistic. I will feel a lot better if we stick it to the Angels tonight.

by phil333 on Aug 27, 2007 5:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

Which of the DUH songs is that?
Didn't get to see the TV feed, so I'm not sure... Beethoven, 2001 song, Mission Impossible? Or am I entirely wrong...
Agent 51: The Japanese God of Awesome

by Robert Lintott on Aug 27, 2007 6:29 AM PDT reply actions  

It's the FOX baseball theme.
(link)

The Rangers play it over the PA every single time a remotely decent defensive play is made.

by Jeff Sullivan on Aug 27, 2007 8:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

You're fucking kidding, right?
I thought it was that the morons in the sound booth in FSN-TX thought the inning was over, and played the music accordingly.

No wonder noone shows up at that ballpark. I wouldn't either, if that was playing over and over again (well, 10 or so times in a well played game).

by Faux on Aug 27, 2007 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

Nope, it's the PA guy.
The sounds at that ballpark are unbearable. I don't know how Rangers fans can put up with it.

by Jeff Sullivan on Aug 27, 2007 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

I was blown away by this
The first couple of times I heard it, I thought they were about to go to commercial for some reason then decided not to. But then I listened closer and realized that it wasn't the broadcasters playing it, it was the fucking PA system. It's ridiculous on so many levels, but it makes me laugh to no end, so I'll get over it.

by Teej on Aug 27, 2007 1:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

I just noticed
in the chart pics, Jarrod changes his uniform inbetween the delivery of his pitch and watching the ball leave the yard.  LOL.

by Gomez on Aug 27, 2007 8:16 AM PDT reply actions  

Before the weekend...
I was recalling some of those horrible, late-season sweeps at the hands of the Rangers down in Arlington.  Yeah, it would have been nice to win three, but I just didn't like our chances with HoRam and Jarrod "gopherball" Washburn in that park.  That the games were close is annoying, but not devastating.  

Get swept in this series, though...and I might jump off a building.

Still not making fun of Willie.

by carcinogen on Aug 27, 2007 8:43 AM PDT reply actions  

Good perspective Jeff
Another positive is that the bullpen wasn't burnt up on this road trip. We're in a good spot. Keep hope alive!

by BaltimoreMarinersFan on Aug 27, 2007 9:56 AM PDT reply actions  

I'm so nervous about tonight
I just keep checking LL and USSM for no apparent reason. I don't know if I can handle losing this Angels series. I live and die w. this team way too easily.

by phil333 on Aug 27, 2007 10:24 AM PDT reply actions  

I know what you mean.
A big part of me doesn't even want to watch this series. It's entirely too decisive.

by Jeff Sullivan on Aug 27, 2007 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

Absolutely
I awoke this morning realizing that nothing in my life over the next three days compares to what I am going to see between the hours of 10:00pm and 2 am.

by Dylan @ Lookout Landing on Aug 27, 2007 10:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

IDK about that
winning the series either puts us a game ahead or behind and losing it 1-2 only puts us 3 back.

As long as we don't get swept, I'd say this is a terrific opportunity, but hardly the be-all end-all like the 4 game set in ANA will be.

by Matthew on Aug 27, 2007 12:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

The worst thing about living in central time...
...is that I have to wait so goddamn long for these games.  My life is on hold until 9:00PM, for chrissakes.

by esoteric on Aug 27, 2007 10:51 AM PDT reply actions  

Try 10pm on the east coast.
It's a blower.  There's only so many Seinfeld reruns and shitty movies to hold me over until the first pitch.

by bpdawg24 on Aug 27, 2007 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah I can dig that.
Usually Netflix comes smashingly in handy during the pre-game hours.  Looking forward to the Felix game on Wednesday starting at 4:30 here on the right coast.

by bpdawg24 on Aug 27, 2007 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

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