Deadline Rumors
While looking thru various spots I came across this article indicating the M's have shown some interest in Livan Hernandez.
I imagine as the trade deadline gets closer we'll be hearing a bunch of other rumors as well, some credible some far fetched, some just making you shake your head.
I thought I would start this diary as a place where all these little rumors could go, instead of a new diary for each new rumor.
Anyways in regard to Livan Hernandez... don't really see that as much of an upgrade to what we currently have, 20 hrs, and a 4.77 Era a 56/62 bb/k ratio... doesn't make me all that interested, especially when he doesn't off-set things by being a groundball pitcher.
http://www.nj.com/sports/ledger/index.ssf?/base/sports-2/1185164709129720.xml&coll=1
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Ian Snell
Snell for Jones?
I am not one to trade Jones lightly, but Snell is a top of the rotation, young, cheap pitcher. Essentially he's the Jones version of a pitcher and so if we could do a straight up trade, I'd do it in a heart beat. If we could get him for Wlad than do it, but even if it's for Jones, we have hitting, we need pitching and Snell and Felix at the top is one sick 1-2 combo.
Wouldn't be
To get Snell you are probably looking at Jones+ 2 other prospects in the A- to B level range. Something like Jones/Feierabend/Tui.. or similar combination.
by MfaninAlaska on Jul 23, 2007 10:42 AM PDT up reply actions
Consider carefully.
Also, consider that the team has few pitching prospects. Trading for Snell would give us something that we have no prospects for.
All I'd say is don't reject out of hand...
I wasn't
by MfaninAlaska on Jul 23, 2007 11:05 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, sorry...
Giving up three prospects is a big step, but it's not an automatic DO-NOT-CONSIDER...
True, so why not send over
by Bearskin Rugburn on Jul 23, 2007 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions
yep...
Someone who could end up a commodity if he can string together a couple good starts in AAA though could be Rohrbaugh. Downside is he's a finesse pitcher from the right hand side, but his k/9 isn't horrible at AAA though he does have a long ball problemo right now.
by MfaninAlaska on Jul 23, 2007 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions
I couldn't disagree more
do you really think so?
I'm sure I'm just being delusional, but it seems to me that teams find a way to see value in guys like him. Else how does he still have a job?
by Bearskin Rugburn on Jul 23, 2007 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions
People were shocked when we traded for him.
by Jeff Sullivan on Jul 23, 2007 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions
Bavasi would see a sign that says:
Seconded.
There were so many other teams interested in Soriano, that BB could've gotten so much more for him...
by PositivePaul on Jul 23, 2007 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Uh what?
by Dylan @ Lookout Landing on Jul 23, 2007 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions
Durable, middle of the rotation starter, and an
or
Right-handed set-up man (possible future closer) for Ho.
Varitek-Lowe is still a FAR worse trade than the Soriano deal.
WTF?
The thing that, for me, makes the Soriano deal worse, though, is that Bavasi totally panicked on the last day of the winter meetings, and gave up one of his best trade chips for a guy who was going to be released. Teams may or may not have been interested in Soriano, and my biggest gripe was that Bavasi evidently heard that Soriano had a bad outing in the winter league, ignoring other reports that it was likely due to the flu or something. When I asked Bavasi about what else was on the table for Soriano, there were a few other things he mentioned, but felt like Ho-Ram was a "#3 starter" that the Braves org really hated to let go of.
That's like saying Hey, we really hate to let go of Cibney Bello, because he's really going to be a great #3 starter, and proceed to trade him to the Pirates for Ian Snell. Okay, it's maybe not to THAT magnitude, but it's pretty darn close.
And the M's BP in 1997 was gawd awful. Terrible. Indeed Slocumb's addition proved to be an upgrade, even if his performance was less-than-overwhelming overall. Combined with the additions of Timlin and Spoljaric, it improved a little bit, and helped guide the M's into the playoffs. The Soriano trade didn't help the rotation, and it led to Morrow being used in the 'pen instead of being developed as a starter in the minors. So, that leads to TWO holes in the rotation -- one in the now, and one in the future. If Soriano had been held onto, (ignoring a possible trade to another team for a real starter), he'd be in the pen and we might be clamoring just as strongly for Brandon Morrow to join the rotation as much as we're clamoring for Adam Jones in the OF...
The Soriano deal was botched on so many levels, it's way worse in my mind than the Slocumb for Lowe/Varitek deal. And, besides, in my mind, I always view that trade as Lowe/Varitek for Moyer and Slocumb for Bragg. Takes a hell of a lot of the sting out of it.
by PositivePaul on Jul 23, 2007 2:18 PM PDT up reply actions
I see exactly where you're coming from,
How about we just agree that both trades sucked royally?
what both Graham and Paul said
Soriano for Horacio was flat out clinically stupid. There's no excuse for it on any level.
He is being serious
Age 23: 0.701, AA
Age 24: 0.756, AA
Age 25 (pre-trade) : 0.772, AAA
Age 25 (post trade): 0.602, AAA
(for comparison, Rob Johnson is OPS'ing .682 in his age 23 season at AAA)
Lowe ERA:
Age 22: 0.93, RK; 6.08, AA
Age 23: 3.05, AA; 4.54, AA
Age 24 (pre-trade) : 3.45, AAA; 6.96, MLB
Age 24 (post-trade): 2.37, AAA; 3.38, MLB
by Graham MacAree on Jul 23, 2007 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Still,
Would you trade Rob Johnson and let's say... Tillman for the current equivalent of Slocumb?
Green isn't Raffy
Lowe, pre-surgery?
mayyyybe
Even if, it's no excuse to give Raffy away. Top RP go for a high asking price. Our GM gave one away for a guy more likely to be cut than offered an arbitration contract.
It sucked, I agree.
While we should have gotten MUCH more, he was a high-risk kind of guy given his history..
So was Ho.
by Jeff Sullivan on Jul 23, 2007 4:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Weren't Ho's injuries more random?
That's okay...
I'm pretty sure my ass was kicked long ago, but I was too stubborn to give up!
they're both bad, horrible trades
The Horacio trade had no justification and was so widely panned when it happened that hindsight has nothing to do with it.
Aren't all injuries basically random?
by Jeff Sullivan on Jul 23, 2007 5:02 PM PDT up reply actions
I meant that they weren't all to one joint,
Like I said, I think I lost this debate a long time ago!
Opened up a can of foul worms.
by Jeff Sullivan on Jul 23, 2007 5:21 PM PDT up reply actions
Dont get Jeff angry...
I don't root for any Anaheim teams Jeff,
I just wanted to post
Oh my god, you killed Lookout Landing!
by AnotherAaron on Jul 26, 2007 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions
1!!!
(although my long sig probably throws this off)
by PositivePaul on Jul 27, 2007 10:20 AM PDT up reply actions
Varitek was a two time first round pick.
And Michael Garciaparra was a first round pick too
Your point is???
by PositivePaul on Jul 24, 2007 4:19 PM PDT up reply actions
Michael Garciaparra was a first round pick to us.
by JY on Jul 24, 2007 7:19 PM PDT up reply actions
Ignore the players.
by Jeff Sullivan on Jul 23, 2007 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Are you sure?
That's an extremely horrible thought process if you ask me.
I agree that the whole Soriano situation
I guess it's the difference between purposely paying $7,000.00 for a beater car because you love it even though it sucks, and paying $7,000.00 for a beater car because you horribly misread the price tag, and mistakenly thought "well, this is how moch a beater car costs this year".
Soriano
It may be a bad trade but who else were we supposed to get for an oft-injured, possibly mentally screwed up (from the liner to the head), set-up man? I think that Green and to a lesser extent Morrow have actually done a pretty good job in comparison this year with Raffy.
I'm Nervous......
Don't be nervous.
- Vidro
- Ho
- Ramon Santiago (for Carlos Guillen)
- Player A
- Rich Aurilia
by Hackman Leonard on Jul 23, 2007 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions
Oh God!
the Guillen trade was in the works
by Scruffy Lefty on Jul 23, 2007 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions
ramblings
Livan is 0-0 in two starts with a 3.55 ERA in his career against LAA
He is 3-0 with a 6.86 ERA vs. Texas and 2-2 with a 4.86 ERA vs. Oakland. These numbers are not blinding..but lets compare them with other "available" pitchers.
I like the idea of Jose Contreras. However, Contreras will require a larger return and is four years older than Livan. Livan is only 32.
In his career, Contreras is 3-3 with a 3.63 ERA vs. LAA in 7 starts. 1-1 with a 6.89 ERA
in four starts vs. Texas and 3-3 with a 6.00 ERA vs. Oakland in 7 starts.
I really liked hearing the Mariners going after Matt Morris in free agency last year.
Morris is 2-0 with a 2.08 ERA vs. LAA, 1-0 with 0.00 ERA in one start vs. Texas in 2006, and 2-0 with a 2.81 in 2 starts vs. Oakland.
Looking at those numbers, Morris is the obvious choice since he has never lost to any of our AL West opponents. However, Morris, like Contreras would probably require a large return.
I look at this season as I did with 95. What moves did we make in 95?
May 15 we traded Roger Salkeld to the Reds for Tim Belcher
May 21 we traded Wilson Delgado and Shawn Estes for Salomon Torres
July 18 we traded a PTBNL (Jeff Darwin) to the White Sox for Warren Newsome
July 31 we traded Ron Villone version 1.0 and Marc Newfield to SD for Andy Benes and Greg Keagle
August 15 we traded a PTBNL (Jim Converse) to KC for Vince Coleman.
Looking through that list, we traded Roger Salkeld (1st round, 3rd pick) for a piece of our playoff rotation. Salkeld went 8-5 in 29 games with Cincinnatti in '96 and never made it back.
We traded Shawn Estes (1st round, 11th pick) for Salomon Torres who went 3-8 in 13 starts and was sent to Montreal in 1997.
Marc Newfield (1st round #6 overall pick) who was supposed to be a mainstay here in Seattle (see: Adam Jones) was sent to San Diego for Benes. Benes was a great pickup as he provided depth and a legitimate second solid starter behind Johnson, but he left the very next season as a free agent. At the time he was 4-7 with a 4.17 ERA. He arrived in Seattle and went 7-2 in 12 starts. He had an ERA over 5, but again it doesn't matter if you win the game 12-11, you still WIN the game.
Newfield was supposed to solve all the problems in LF and create an outfield of 40 home run hitters. He hit 12 homeruns between Seattle and San Diego in 95 which was his career high. He was out of the majors by the end of 1997 when he finished his career in Milwaukee.
What I am getting at, is we sacrificed THREE number one picks in 1995 to put together a team that went to the ALDS. I am not advocating that this would work again, but if Wlad or Jones ends up leaving for a pitcher that completes our puzzle...stranger things CAN happen.
Man...
by Phil Hatzenbuehler on Jul 23, 2007 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions
Livan
Damn, it feels like he's been around FOREVER
32 in
So in human years....
by jimmimoose1 on Jul 23, 2007 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions
a quote to share
"Livan Hernandez is not without his flaws. He's already allowed 20 home runs this season in 20 starts. He doesn't throw very hard, and his ERA this year is 4.77. But he is durable."
That would make him 4 and a half in ppl yrs
by andyboi on Jul 28, 2007 9:15 AM PDT up reply actions
Some prospects bust.
by Jeff Sullivan on Jul 23, 2007 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Nice analysis.
It's hard to believe Livan Hernandez is only 32. I had him pegged as closer to 42. He's a proven post-season winner if nothing else.
by Hackman Leonard on Jul 23, 2007 12:04 PM PDT reply actions
oops, forgot to 'reply to'
by Hackman Leonard on Jul 23, 2007 12:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Mark Teixeira seems to be leaving Texas
As for pitching, I'm holding onto my Burnett idea. Ian Snell is intriguing though, and DL is an idiot, but I don't see them making a stupid trade there.
I agree on all three
And Snell would be a brilliant move as he is a young, cheap and good pitchers. Therefore, it's not happening.
As a D-Backs fan, I must say
I also don't like the idea of Bavasi dealing with Byrnes, who is a pretty smart guy.
Sun Times reporting
by seattlesundevil on Jul 23, 2007 2:26 PM PDT reply actions
But... but... But....
If I'm going to war, I want to go with my Grandpa who served in WWII, he has way more veteran experience than my cousin who's just finished basic training 1st in his class.
haha
I know.
We need a major upgrade to try to stay in contention, and we have at least one (if not two or three) very helpful parts sitting right down the road in Tacoma.
hmmm
dye is currently sporting a .237 BABIP, whereas his career avg is .301. his isop is consistent with his career numbers, and his walks and strikeouts are relatively normal. the one note of worry is that his LD% is down significantly, from a career avg of 18.9 to 16.5 this year.
contreras, on the other hand, is certainly a geezer, but he's been remarkable unlucky this season as well. his BABIP is .326, as opposed to a career .290 mark, and his LOB% is an absolutely AWFUL 59.3% (most pitchers leave around 70% of their runners on base). his 5.76 era totally sucks, but a FIP of 4.57 is much more interesting.
like i said, i obviously don't want these guys, they're not really difference makers. but, if we could somehow acquire them for something less than elite prospects, they could be potential upgrades over some of the other scrubs we're running out there (Ibanez for Dye, and Horam for Contreras).
i'd still rather see Jones and Snell.
by jimmimoose1 on Jul 23, 2007 3:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Hell,
Much rather take a risk on a guy like Teix who you might able to flip for a guy like Bedard at the end of the year.
How much do you think
by Edgar for Pres on Jul 23, 2007 3:43 PM PDT up reply actions
I wouldn't even know where to start
Yeah
by jimmimoose1 on Jul 23, 2007 3:46 PM PDT up reply actions
If he can adopt the leg-kick
So, where's Jerry nowadays?
Naw. AK's posts are way too short
AK hasn't made it a point of crusade
Jerry always seems to disappear until the
Out of the three
blah
At what point do we become sellers? haha
or kind of joking
I heard a rumor they might be
by Slozbury Stouvre on Jul 24, 2007 5:07 PM PDT reply actions
From the IMDB page.
I agree.
I'm sure glad we really need a pitcher
Any interest in A's pitchers?
Would the M's be interested in a guy like Gaudin? What would you give up for him? Jones? Balentien? Clement? Some combination?
Same question for all the other A's starters. We've got almost every variety imaginable:
- young with lots of promise, great start but fallen off a bit lately
- not flashy, but solid and reliable; better than anyone else being offered this summer
- very good in April and May, now absolutely dreadful (clearance item, 50% off!)
- converted reliever, mixed results but pretty good lately
- electric stuff, could be superstar except that he's perpetually injured
- veteran due off the DL soon, hasn't pitched all year, but hey, at least you recognize his name
- one of the best in the league; probably unavailable, but with Billy Beane, anyone is available for the right offer.
Chad Gaudin isn't really that good.
Haren I'd obviously give up alot for, because he's awesome.
Fat Fuck I wouldn't give up any of the afore mentioned prospects for, but I might do something. Of course, he would have to bow before Ichiro and apologize profusely for laying his hands on him.
Harden is the Mark Prior of the AL. No thanks.
Kennedy, meh no thanks.
Loaiza would have to come with a bit of money attached to him. That's a bad contract.
But in the end, I doubt Beane would deal within the division anyways.
My fear is
by chrisisasavage on Jul 25, 2007 9:18 AM PDT up reply actions
More fluffy bullshit
To clarify a few things for Hickey and everyone else who reads this:
- The M's aren't watching the White Sox because of Contreras and Vazquez. Believe me. They have much higher aspirations that would probably piss us off anyway.
- Dontrelle Willis' value is so low even Bill Bavasi couldn't mess this one up. Rumor has it Tommy John might be required for his increasingly sore elbow.
- Livan Hernandez is likely staying since the chances RJ is on the shelf for the season is pretty good.
- The M's are looking at relievers, but were really at the Astros game for a reason yesterday, Jason Jennings.
- Regarding Wandy: wouldn't it be wonderful if the guys who get paid to write about the Ms for a living didn't have to make bullshit up for attention?
Yes please.
by JI on Jul 26, 2007 9:34 AM PDT up reply actions
I would really enjoy
JIM THOME
I WOULD HAVE TO
by JI on Jul 26, 2007 9:48 AM PDT up reply actions
Uhhh,
That is, if he decides he wants to play on the West Coast. For some reason, he hates it.
Never said Vazquez wasn't a good pitcher
you know who I wouldn't mind getting?
Would Balentien and Fear for Dye be better?
by Mariner John on Jul 26, 2007 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions
So...
by Mariner John on Jul 26, 2007 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions
what ever..
He blows a lot more than I thought he did
When are we getting Moyer back? I'm tired of all this.
by Edgar for Pres on Jul 26, 2007 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Question
Ok
BB/K
BB/K is good
by Edgar for Pres on Jul 26, 2007 1:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh and off the top of my head
HR/FB ~ 10%
for a pitcher is normal
by Edgar for Pres on Jul 26, 2007 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Strikeouts, walks, and home runs (or fly balls)
by Jeff Sullivan on Jul 26, 2007 1:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Thank you guys
Okay.
OBP: sub-.330 is bad, .330-.350 is normal, .350-.380 is good, .380+ is great
SLG: sub-.410 is bad, .410-.440 is normal, .450-.500 is good, .470+ is great (better to look at isolated power - SLG minus BA - than SLG by itself, though)
OPS: sub-.740 is bad, .740-.800 is normal, .800-.900 is good, .900+ is great
by Jeff Sullivan on Jul 26, 2007 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions
*Begins to understand*
*Starts weeping *
*Goes back to using RBI's *
Have I ever said I can't stand OPS
I just think it's over used and not all that accurate as a guage of hitters run prodruction.
by chrisisasavage on Jul 26, 2007 2:39 PM PDT up reply actions
is it supposed to be?
I'm not sure whether OPS is supposed to be a measure of run production, is it? That's a serious question, I don't really know.
It seems to me that since OPS measures on-base percentage (which is not a run-producing stat) plus slugging percentage (which is also not a run-producing stat), that OPS shouldn't be used to gauge run production.
Or am I wrong in my line of thinking?
It has a very strong correlation to RC
by chrisisasavage on Jul 26, 2007 2:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Makes sense, I guess
The idea is
by chrisisasavage on Jul 26, 2007 2:49 PM PDT up reply actions
But the problem is it undervalues OBP
by chrisisasavage on Jul 26, 2007 2:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Like OPS saying
by chrisisasavage on Jul 26, 2007 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions
GPA is your friend
I use GPA as my quick and dirty
by chrisisasavage on Jul 26, 2007 3:09 PM PDT up reply actions
now that I took a closer look
by chrisisasavage on Jul 26, 2007 2:36 PM PDT up reply actions
I like Wins and Losses
by chrisisasavage on Jul 26, 2007 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions
That's not all you need to know.
and how well
by chrisisasavage on Jul 26, 2007 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions
wait
smacks self.
by chrisisasavage on Jul 26, 2007 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions
But don't actually watch any games
No to Garland
The Mariners are pursuing Jon Garland, according to the Chicago Tribune's Phil Rogers.
Rogers believes a deal would revolve around slugging right fielder Wladimir Balentien, rather than Adam Jones or Jeff Clement. The White Sox would surely want more than just Balentien and may ask for Ryan Feierabend and another young arm. Garland is earning $10 million this year and will make $12 million in 2008, the final year of his deal.
Source: Chicago Tribune
Oh hell no..
Pitchers with lower K rates than Garland:
Carlos Silva
Chris K Sampson
Garland gives up more walks and fly balls than all three of them, too, for good measure.
by Jeff Sullivan on Jul 26, 2007 2:26 PM PDT up reply actions
who in the hell is Chris K Sampson??
Oh, and
by Jeff Sullivan on Jul 26, 2007 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions
I still don't know who that is
by Jeff Sullivan on Jul 26, 2007 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't know why, but I hate him already
Oh I'll take him
by Edgar for Pres on Jul 26, 2007 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions
What's the opinion of the below statment
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/
The scary part
by chrisisasavage on Jul 26, 2007 2:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Anyone is an upgrade over Ho.
by Jeff Sullivan on Jul 26, 2007 2:57 PM PDT up reply actions
I guess you can go to the site for the links
I was not Promoting merely sharing
Hey Trent
I added my two cents into his comment field
Its amazing all those ignorant fans
It's from the school of
The other school is that that you might never get this chance again for a long time. Felix could get injured next month and never pitch again for the M's.
So Baker is simply sticking with his personal opinion. Now with the team is what matters, not the proposed unproven future of one position player.
That's a common split across the board on many different topics for debate.
But you can't go in with the caveat that
I ain't saying it's logical
In fact, the White house, Congress, Wall Street, most Fortune 500 CEO's, this is the common approach. Go after what is in front of you.
Baker is not of the Minority in this type of thought, we are.
it's one thing to jump at any reasonable playoff
It's another to cut your arms off because without them you'll reduce drag and run faster.
The single best thing the Mariners could do to help the 2007 Mariners is to play Adam Jones in LF everyday. It simply is. The defensive upgrade alone is the biggest one move the Mariners can legitimately make.
And if you are hellbent on trading Adam Jones for a "big piece" or whatever, than make sure that guy is actually an upgrade. Dontrelle Willis isn't going to be the difference between this team and the playoffs. I doubt Dontrelle Willis could even be the difference between 88 wins and 89.
I'm not defending Baker
Up further someone suggest he's gone to the "darkside," which is not true. His thought is pretty consistent with current thought.
He's been covering teams for a long time, and this type of practice occurs all the time, in every sport.
just because it's common , doesn't make it smart
Not coming down on you, I know your just saying what Baker is probably thinking, and your most likely right.
I hope we get swept by Oakland
What makes you think he wouldn't make a dumb
I hope we get swept by ...
by chrisisasavage on Jul 26, 2007 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions
We get it MFIA....
You couldn't possibly be any more clear about that.
I wouldn't be shocked to find out that you're the lone M's fan that hates the Ichiro contract extension.
We get it Tim
by Mariner John on Jul 26, 2007 6:42 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm confused
I don't hate Adam Jones... I've said a number of times that he's got alot of talent.... and he'll eventually be quite a good player... I just am not as ga ga over him as some, especially on the offensive side of the ball. Right now with the difference in bb/k ratio I think Wlad is more advanced then Jones is as a hitter.
That doesn't equate to me hating Jones, that equates to me having an opinion about him that is different then other people have right now.
by MfaninAlaska on Jul 27, 2007 12:12 AM PDT up reply actions
If Adam Jones didn't play good defense
by Jeff Sullivan on Jul 27, 2007 9:30 PM PDT up reply actions
I know it says Twins or Angels, but oh shit
If the Nats give Young a contract
Let's see him walk straight first.
Yuck
Stand pat, Bill.
by JoeyJoJoJuniorShabadoo on Jul 27, 2007 3:15 PM PDT reply actions
Personally
Willis and Garland would both be an improvement of Ramirez and if you can improve the club do it... that doesn't mean give away whatever, but negotiate with things you can afford to give away to improve the club now, and for the future.
by MfaninAlaska on Jul 27, 2007 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Looks like a solid deal
If Iguchi hadn't fallen off a cliff
I was about to post this too
Bullpen?
Since the bullpen is literally the least of our problems (sans Reitsma), it makes no sense for them to be actively searching for a bullpen arm.
Morrow isn't starting this year.
by Jeff Sullivan on Jul 27, 2007 3:39 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't think he's ready to be in the Majors
Wouldn't it be
by MfaninAlaska on Jul 27, 2007 3:59 PM PDT up reply actions
I do think that, actually.
That would seem
by MfaninAlaska on Jul 27, 2007 4:16 PM PDT up reply actions
Look who he's playing
But again, that is IMHO as well. All of this is speculation. We haven't really heard from anyone in the Mariner's front office why they sit on their hands and do nothing, other than "chemistry."
My only note is: Bavasi is the person who would call up Jones, right? And he's not here.
Look who he's playing
But again, that is IMHO as well. All of this is speculation. We haven't really heard from anyone in the Mariner's front office why they sit on their hands and do nothing, other than "chemistry."
My only note is: Bavasi is the person who would call up Jones, right? And he's not here.
I've always advocated
That idea has been scoffed at quite frequently.... you are the first one I've seen in a while that shares the belief that the manager doesn't necessarily have free reign to play who he wants and who he doesn't, and how often those players play.
by MfaninAlaska on Jul 27, 2007 4:28 PM PDT up reply actions
More will follow
There are either two things that McLaren or Hargrove could have been: A) Figureheads, B) Managers.
Figureheads do what they're told. Managers... well... manage. I think we can all agree there was very little of the latter.
Out of all the people the Mariners
Agree
by Edgar for Pres on Jul 27, 2007 5:07 PM PDT up reply actions
He didnt exactly put his best foot forward
There's a rumor floating around
Huh.
by Jeff Sullivan on Jul 27, 2007 9:10 PM PDT up reply actions
this one from a Seattle paper
Kenji Johjima and Ichiro both expressed pleasant surprise in the clubhouse after overhearing a TV report about the Mariners' rumored trade interest in Yankees pitcher Kei Igawa, who is also Japanese.
Just because he's japense? Ugh.
Naze?
by TIF @ Lookout Landing on Jul 29, 2007 1:21 AM PDT up reply actions
Maybe Kenji
Grasping at threads?
Rosenthal says the Twins might take offers for...
...
Offer everything but including kitchen sink....NOW!!!
Rosenthal says world peace is coming
...
You can tell how I feel about Rosenthal's reporting.
Man that's awsome!!!
I know it's probably BS, but it's fun to speculate a bit.
I don't think it's even news.
by Jeff Sullivan on Jul 28, 2007 3:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Dmitri Young just got a two-year extension.
Actually...
MLBTradeRumors.com
Another option would be to target Seattle's Jeff Clement, though I'd imagine Bill Bavasi would want more than just Wheeler. Carlos Pena would be a nice fit.
--I would love to have Pena over just about any other hitter on the market - Clement for Wheeler and Pena? Yes please.
by seattlesundevil on Jul 29, 2007 11:47 PM PDT reply actions
Jesus
I stopped reading right there. And you should have too.
by TIF @ Lookout Landing on Jul 30, 2007 12:53 AM PDT up reply actions
Texiera deal pending medical review
Trade to the Rangers: Saltalamacchia, Clas A SS Elvis Andrus, and Two pitching prospects (unnamed).
Neftali Feliz
by seattlesundevil on Jul 30, 2007 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions
Apparently the M's are out of the Dotel sweeps...
If it's true that's great news.
Looks like things are picking up
The Mets had been using Ruben Gotay and Damion Easley at second, but Castillo is a proven everyday player who helped the Marlins win the 2003 World Series.
Indeed
LOL good old Pat Gillick
Rosenthal is reporting
by seattlesundevil on Jul 30, 2007 2:33 PM PDT reply actions
Glaus at SS! HAHA
ironically because Gibbons
If only he was a LHB
by Edgar for Pres on Jul 30, 2007 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions
He doesn't have much range anymore
Ix-nay on Otel-Day
Damn. I would've taken Davies...
I hope Davies has fun
Meanwhile, this probably pushes Soriano farther back in the Braves bullpen.
Actually...
by PositivePaul on Jul 30, 2007 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Arroyo
Maybe
/sarcasm
by seattlesundevil on Jul 30, 2007 3:58 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, I love flyball contact pitchers
by eponymous coward on Jul 30, 2007 4:03 PM PDT up reply actions
I asked the question
I was referring to
by seattlesundevil on Jul 30, 2007 4:20 PM PDT up reply actions
Hindsight is a wonderful thing
Rumor Central update
by seattlesundevil on Jul 30, 2007 4:03 PM PDT reply actions
You mean usually
Sounds more like he's a backup option for Betancourt / Lopez.
by TIF @ Lookout Landing on Jul 30, 2007 4:11 PM PDT up reply actions

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