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First Pitch: 10:07am PDT

                   

Ichiro CF Stairs LF Vidro DH Overbay 1B Ibanez LF Rios RF Guillen RF Glaus 3B Beltre 3B Wells CF Sexson 1B Thomas DH Lopez 2B Hill 2B Burke C Zaun C Betancourt SS Clayton SS ---------- ----------

Weaver (2-7, 6.82)          Towers (4-6, 5.40)

Since it's 2:15 and I don't have anything to say and I'm only posting this because I know I won't be awake until seconds before the first pitch, I'll just use this space to copy and paste a little Mariner content from The Brushback (full article linked).

Mariners Bring Hargrove Back After Ichiro Signs Extension

SEATTLE--The Seattle Mariners announced Monday that former manager Mike Hargrove will return to the bench and take the reigns for the rest of the 2007 season and beyond. The announcement startled rightfielder Ichiro, who recently signed a five-year extension after learning that Hargrove, with whom he often had a contentious relationship, had resigned.

LET'S GO MARINERS!!

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Bah, I hate really early games.
Hopefully I wake up to a winner. Go Mariners!
These pretzels....are making me thirsty!

by Goose on Jul 21, 2007 3:19 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

holy shit bavasi.
"Anyway, I hope Ichiro can set aside his differences with Mike and just concentrate on getting hits. He could also concentrate on the fact that he's make $90 million. Hell, I would play for Hitler for $90 million. Actually I would play for Hitler for free, because I'm a huge World War II buff."


why are you such an idiot
morrow for president 08.

by idealFX on Jul 21, 2007 3:38 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

nevermind
i'm a dumbass.
morrow for president 08.

by idealFX on Jul 21, 2007 3:40 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

i did the same thing
until i read that line.
I love these sites

by mutt1823 on Jul 21, 2007 4:55 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I proposed in a game thread a few days ago
that Zombie Hitler would be a better option at DH than Jose Vidro. I stand by that argument.

by Slozbury Stouvre on Jul 21, 2007 7:49 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I love it
Not picking on you, but nothing is funnier then someone whigging out because of something said in a brushback or onion article because they think it's real. My favorite was when the onion did an article on Hank Aaron being awarded 50 "lost" homeruns and some Giants fan on another site freaked out. His reaction was so funny I don't think anyone bothered to tell him it was fake for awhile
Don't listen to their lies, Bill! Look at the sparkly ERA! Sparkly sparkly! - McCovey Chronicles

by Trenchtown2 on Jul 21, 2007 9:32 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

YYYYAAAAAAAWWWwwwwnnnnnnnnn....
So, I get up before dawn to take my wife to the airport, and there's a game thread up already?  WTF???

I just wish her flight would've been a little earlier so I could've justified staying up until my normal time and then coming home and sleeping all morning...

Heh.  It's just past 4:20.  Someone check on Weaver.

Baseball is 90% Mental. The other half is statistics...

by PositivePaul on Jul 21, 2007 4:30 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

This game will be over
Before I even get up in the afternoon.

Oh well, Weaver time!

by ThundaPC on Jul 21, 2007 6:39 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Lets keep this Winning up
so we can do this to the division leaders.

by PShwa on Jul 21, 2007 8:07 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Thats awesome! Well done!
VIDRO STOPPED BECAUSE HE PROBABLY SAW SOME EFFING FOOD IN THE CROWD - katal

by Babar on Jul 21, 2007 9:24 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

And now its my desktop background
taking the place of a picture of the joker from the new batman movie
VIDRO STOPPED BECAUSE HE PROBABLY SAW SOME EFFING FOOD IN THE CROWD - katal

by Babar on Jul 21, 2007 9:25 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cheers.
That's pretty fucking menacing.  I like.  The only problem now is waiting another year for the film...

by bpdawg24 on Jul 21, 2007 9:53 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

that's pretty awesome
who's playing the the Joker in the new movie??  I thought I heard Heath Leger(sp?) but then someone told me it was someone else.
WHAT ARE YOU DOING JOHNNY MAC?!?!

by MFAN on Jul 21, 2007 9:57 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah its Ledger.
When I heard that I was pretty bitter, but from the looks of that makeup job, he'll do.

by bpdawg24 on Jul 21, 2007 9:59 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

same here
my first reaction was "Huh??" but after thinking it over, I have a feeling he's going to be pretty good.
WHAT ARE YOU DOING JOHNNY MAC?!?!

by MFAN on Jul 21, 2007 10:00 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

None of that matters
Christian Bale is the shit
Shop smart......Shop s-mart...... YOU GOT THAT!!!!

by Scruffy Lefty on Jul 21, 2007 10:18 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Annnd right on cue,
Batman Begins on HBOHD.  She's a nice.

by bpdawg24 on Jul 21, 2007 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

haha, awesome!
WHAT ARE YOU DOING JOHNNY MAC?!?!

by MFAN on Jul 21, 2007 9:33 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Here's why I hate Towers

PITCHERS SHOULD NOT HAVE SINGLE DIGIT NUMBERS.

by Slozbury Stouvre on Jul 21, 2007 8:48 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Just curious..
why is that? is it some unwritten rule?

by areacode206 on Jul 21, 2007 9:37 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, it's extremely rare for an MLB
pitcher to wear a single digit number. This article has some good info on the reasons.

Towers doesn't actually bother me, I just think it's funny.

by Slozbury Stouvre on Jul 21, 2007 9:58 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Learn something everyday..
In all my years of following baseball, this is the first time I heard about this rule.  Thank you for the link..learned something today..

And I see that Matt Young is on the list...I still have his autograph from way back when..

by areacode206 on Jul 21, 2007 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Believe it or not, ESPN gives the M's
a back handed compliment.

From their website's baseball power rankings:

"Winning breeds confidence, and confidence breeds winning. The Mariners have the look of a serious contender."

Thanks, ESPN. I'm glad that you've noticed that a 54-39 team has "the look of a serious contender."

by Katal LM on Jul 21, 2007 9:38 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm excited
we can statistically have the division lead by the end of this day.  Let's make it happen boys!  Go M's!  Go Twinkies!
"Players have two things to do. Play and keep their mouths shut." - Sparky Anderson

by Omerta on Jul 21, 2007 9:55 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

So
Somebody help a brother out with these "proxies".

by Jeff on Jul 21, 2007 9:56 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

You need TOR w/ Firefox plugin
I wish I wasn't leaving for work right now, or I'd explain it in full.

by JI on Jul 21, 2007 10:07 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not working for me.
But then I'm unfamiliar with the process.

by Jeff on Jul 21, 2007 10:12 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I explained it better
in the first CLE make up game Game Thread.

by JI on Jul 21, 2007 10:14 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

just find a feed online
and watch with a program that streams it
i.e.  sopcast

by mutt1823 on Jul 21, 2007 10:10 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

its funny
havn't used it in months, and today i get a better signal than MLBTV has given me all year

by mutt1823 on Jul 21, 2007 10:15 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Channel - 23487
maybe,  let me know

by mutt1823 on Jul 21, 2007 10:20 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

try this
myp2p.eu
click baseball on the left  or mlb  whatever
and go down and find the m's bluejays
i used the first one

by mutt1823 on Jul 21, 2007 10:26 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

btw
save that site for football season
awesome feeds for those games

by mutt1823 on Jul 21, 2007 10:30 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I tried to use it during hockey season
but it didn't work very well at all. Seems to have gotten better.

by Jeff on Jul 21, 2007 10:31 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good looking out.
I imagine this site has mad EPL and La Liga games?

by bpdawg24 on Jul 21, 2007 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

bad thing about it though
is feeds will just disappear randomly
so dont rely on it too much
good for stupid blackout rules and football season really

by mutt1823 on Jul 21, 2007 10:38 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

if you have sopcast downloaded
that is
wont work in the web program i dont think

by mutt1823 on Jul 21, 2007 10:26 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I have it downloaded
but I'm unfamiliar with Sopcast, and don't see 23487 available.

by Jeff on Jul 21, 2007 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

o
the channel was 26065  sorry
it is wayy early

by mutt1823 on Jul 21, 2007 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I use this
http://www.democrakey.com/

Install it to a thumb drive and your good to go no matter where you may be

by Robert on Jul 21, 2007 10:13 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Matt Stairs hitting leadoff?
:: head explodes, world remains flat ::

by bpdawg24 on Jul 21, 2007 9:58 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

CBC
Even though the game is on FSN I think I'm going to watch it on CBC. It could be a cool view of the game with the different Canadian announcers.

by maxthedrummer on Jul 21, 2007 10:04 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Hey guys
Missed last night as a friend invited to some cocktail party happy hour thing, and I wasn't sure if I'd be back in a couple hours if it sucked, but it turns out it was pretty good.

Mariners won and I hope they win again today.  I have to go get groceries because I'm out of just about everything.

by Gomez on Jul 21, 2007 10:06 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

3 pitches, 2 outs
were boned
WHAT ARE YOU DOING JOHNNY MAC?!?!

by MFAN on Jul 21, 2007 10:09 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

It might make a little bit of sense if they were
airing a game at the moment.  But they aren't.  This blows.

by bpdawg24 on Jul 21, 2007 10:14 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

they hate all baseball fans
except Yankee and Bonds fans
cuz thats all they ever show

by mutt1823 on Jul 21, 2007 10:16 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I thought this was going to be a 4 hour game
so far it looks like a 2 hour game

by TheMarinator on Jul 21, 2007 10:15 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

well that's good
the Blue Jays inning was equally pathetic.
WHAT ARE YOU DOING JOHNNY MAC?!?!

by MFAN on Jul 21, 2007 10:16 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Do broadcasters have an old scouting report
on Betancourt?  The CBC guys just praised his defense and hitting.
"Players have two things to do. Play and keep their mouths shut." - Sparky Anderson

by Omerta on Jul 21, 2007 10:16 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

come on Josh Towers sucks
are they just going to mail this one in?

by TheMarinator on Jul 21, 2007 10:21 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Its gonna be one of those games isnt it?
Every time Turbo bats in the 2 hole, God kills a kitten

by cougfan on Jul 21, 2007 10:22 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

The announcer on CBC is bugging me
Why the heck does his voice sound familiar?

by Robert on Jul 21, 2007 10:22 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

oh god what a bunch of bullshit
Thomas with the luckiest BH ever

by TheMarinator on Jul 21, 2007 10:29 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Okay that's really irritating.
Two straight bullshit bloop singles.

by Jeff on Jul 21, 2007 10:30 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

JIM HUGHSON!!
Somebody alert Don Taylor!

by Jeff on Jul 21, 2007 10:31 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

HAHAHA
You can hear people chanting LETS GO MARINERS thats awesome
VIDRO STOPPED BECAUSE HE PROBABLY SAW SOME EFFING FOOD IN THE CROWD - katal

by Babar on Jul 21, 2007 10:31 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

is anyone watching this?
or are most of you on gameday?
WHAT ARE YOU DOING JOHNNY MAC?!?!

by MFAN on Jul 21, 2007 10:31 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

where is this thing on TV?
WHAT ARE YOU DOING JOHNNY MAC?!?!

by MFAN on Jul 21, 2007 10:32 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

proxy, mlb.tv
or look up this thread about halfway theres a long string of posts about watching online streams

by thenatural on Jul 21, 2007 10:35 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You can listen to it if you have MLB.tv
VIDRO STOPPED BECAUSE HE PROBABLY SAW SOME EFFING FOOD IN THE CROWD - katal

by Babar on Jul 21, 2007 10:32 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

How do I do that?
VIDRO STOPPED BECAUSE HE PROBABLY SAW SOME EFFING FOOD IN THE CROWD - katal

by Babar on Jul 21, 2007 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

i downloaded a program called JAP
and it tells you how to configure it, and then you can watch

by thenatural on Jul 21, 2007 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I scrolled up and got it
I'll give it a whirl, thanks for the help :)
VIDRO STOPPED BECAUSE HE PROBABLY SAW SOME EFFING FOOD IN THE CROWD - katal

by Babar on Jul 21, 2007 10:37 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

awesome, thanks
WHAT ARE YOU DOING JOHNNY MAC?!?!

by MFAN on Jul 21, 2007 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

God damnit Raul
Youve got a pussy ass arm
Every time Turbo bats in the 2 hole, God kills a kitten

by cougfan on Jul 21, 2007 10:32 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

hey Jeff
did you get my email to you yesterday?  

by MfaninAlaska on Jul 21, 2007 10:34 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Yeah I did, thanks.
It's in a long line of emails to which I still have to respond.

by Jeff on Jul 21, 2007 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

so basically
you are like the Vidro of email.

Got people fooled by the shiny meaningless stuff? :)

by MfaninAlaska on Jul 21, 2007 10:41 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah
I even have a guy hanging around who'd give way more interesting responses, but he doesn't get a chance because I'm far more experienced with emails and the Internet.

by Jeff on Jul 21, 2007 10:44 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Man
This Toronto gun makes it impossible for anyone to throw 90.

by Jeff on Jul 21, 2007 10:37 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Uh
"I like it when young pitchers are aggressive in the strike zone."

Josh Towers is 30.

by Jeff on Jul 21, 2007 10:39 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

ok
this is now pathetic.
WHAT ARE YOU DOING JOHNNY MAC?!?!

by MFAN on Jul 21, 2007 10:40 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

You hacktastic fools!!
UGH the 2nd time around the lineup better produce results

by TheMarinator on Jul 21, 2007 10:40 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

PERFECT GAME PERFECT GAME PERFECT
GAME

Shut down by Josh Towers. Quite remarkably, really.

by Jeff on Jul 21, 2007 10:41 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Yay for skipping a Ho-Ram start
especially on the road. Best decision McLaren has made yet

by TheMarinator on Jul 21, 2007 10:44 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Skipping?
I thought we just moved it back a day.

by Jeff on Jul 21, 2007 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Booooooo
Kenny Lofton will hit for the cycle against Ho-Bag

by TheMarinator on Jul 21, 2007 10:46 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

He didn't skip
They just moved his start from the likely to lose category to the what if a monkey played baseball category.

by Robert on Jul 21, 2007 10:48 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I've always wondered
how coming hitting a homer doesn't count as "manufacturing a run"? Seems to me it's actually the most efficient manufacturing process possible.

by Jeff on Jul 21, 2007 10:47 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

trailing a game 1-0
has never felt more insurmountable.
WHAT ARE YOU DOING JOHNNY MAC?!?!

by MFAN on Jul 21, 2007 10:48 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Kei Igawa
15 home runs allowed in 54 innings.

by Jeff on Jul 21, 2007 10:48 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Sweet got the Proxy working
Thanks for the help TheNatural :)
VIDRO STOPPED BECAUSE HE PROBABLY SAW SOME EFFING FOOD IN THE CROWD - katal

by Babar on Jul 21, 2007 10:49 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Towers retires Ichiro twice
Am I still sleeping? Is this a weird nightmare?

by Jeff on Jul 21, 2007 10:51 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

HAHAHAHAHA
I've never heard an ump curse like that - even better in the replay
VIDRO STOPPED BECAUSE HE PROBABLY SAW SOME EFFING FOOD IN THE CROWD - katal

by Babar on Jul 21, 2007 10:51 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

The best part is that they replayed it
even after we clearly heard him the first time.

by Jeff on Jul 21, 2007 10:53 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

the announcers seemed kind of surprised
I guess they werent listening the first time

by thenatural on Jul 21, 2007 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well shit, not gonna get many calls now
Every time Turbo bats in the 2 hole, God kills a kitten

by cougfan on Jul 21, 2007 10:52 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I stayed around
for THIS?!

WTF.

HIT THE DAMN BALL.

by Slica on Jul 21, 2007 10:52 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

hahahahahahah
pretty easy to understand the umpire on that one.

by Jeff on Jul 21, 2007 10:52 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Yep, still dreaming
turbo just legged that one out
Every time Turbo bats in the 2 hole, God kills a kitten

by cougfan on Jul 21, 2007 10:52 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

God bless his precious little heart
It seemed like it almost burst on that one.

by Robert on Jul 21, 2007 10:53 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Vidro beats out throw
yet another kitten is killed

by thenatural on Jul 21, 2007 10:53 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Turbo!!
saving our dignity.
WHAT ARE YOU DOING JOHNNY MAC?!?!

by MFAN on Jul 21, 2007 10:53 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

So are we all agreed
Jones for Raul instead of Vidro?

by Jeff on Jul 21, 2007 10:54 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Id prefer
Jones and Balentien for Raul and Vidro.

by Slica on Jul 21, 2007 10:55 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yep

by jimmimoose1 on Jul 21, 2007 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yep
Made that decision just before the AS break.

by TheMarinator on Jul 21, 2007 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'd rather
Jones for Sexson with Raul at first.

by MfaninAlaska on Jul 21, 2007 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

If we're going to do something with Richie
(which I doubt we will), I'd rather just start Broussard and let Jones play in left as well.

by Jeff on Jul 21, 2007 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I have more
confidence in Raul being productive down the stretch then Broussard..... I know Raul is struggling right now, but until July he was still pretty productive without the long ball being part of his game..

by MfaninAlaska on Jul 21, 2007 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

If Raul is battling some injury
he really needs to be DL'd. If he's not, then I'm just not buying a revitalization - he looks about ten years older than he did last season.

What it comes down to is we can't really afford to have him doing this in the middle of the lineup with the team in the hunt. Sit him for a little while and let him prove himself in spot starts and batting practice before entrusting him with an everyday job again.

by Jeff on Jul 21, 2007 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

yup
IF singlez win ballgamez

by thenatural on Jul 21, 2007 10:55 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good ol' Turbo
Breaking up the No No with an infield single

by tootthekazoo on Jul 21, 2007 10:54 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

We get it, announcers
Towers throws a lot of strikes. This is nothing new. Weaver also throws a lot of strikes. Check out how well that's working for him.

by Jeff on Jul 21, 2007 10:54 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Guess who still sucks
He's either got 4 U's or 8 in his name
Every time Turbo bats in the 2 hole, God kills a kitten

by cougfan on Jul 21, 2007 10:54 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Robert is right
it does feel like you are watching a video game.
VIDRO STOPPED BECAUSE HE PROBABLY SAW SOME EFFING FOOD IN THE CROWD - katal

by Babar on Jul 21, 2007 10:55 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Has anybody hit the ball hard yet?
I don't think I've seen it if they have.

by Jeff on Jul 21, 2007 10:57 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

this reminds me
of the weaver/wang game in New York.
WHAT ARE YOU DOING JOHNNY MAC?!?!

by MFAN on Jul 21, 2007 10:58 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Most Home Runs Allowed Since 2005
Igawa will be on that list in like two weeks.

by Jeff on Jul 21, 2007 10:59 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Weaver down
Weaver to DL, Vidro to Pitcher, Raul to DH, Jones to LF.

Problem solved

by Robert on Jul 21, 2007 11:00 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Great job by Weaver so far
So.... about scoring some RUNS off of this sorry sack....

by TheMarinator on Jul 21, 2007 11:01 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

umpire out there
to ask Weaver how it feels to be hit with a ball off the bat

by mutt1823 on Jul 21, 2007 11:01 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I think Weaver has more swinging strikes
than the Ho did the other day already.

by hcoguy on Jul 21, 2007 11:01 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Weaver vs. Towers
is going to lower scoring that Halladay vs. Felix.
WHAT ARE YOU DOING JOHNNY MAC?!?!

by MFAN on Jul 21, 2007 11:04 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Crazy Canadian Hughson speak
Record = 'reckerd', not 'recORD'.

by Jeff on Jul 21, 2007 11:04 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Wally Backman's Club
heh... classic, he was ejected earlier in the game, then late with his team trailing 11-2 in the 7th inning an opposing player swung at a 3-0 pitch to drive in a run... the next hitter was drilled...  brawl ensues.... after the brawl is broken up, Backman's team does not go back out on the field.

by MfaninAlaska on Jul 21, 2007 11:10 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Man
would've been great to see those antics with Arizona.

by Jeff on Jul 21, 2007 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

56 pitches
in 5 innings for Towers.

Good grief.  I know its a beautiful day in Toronto, guys, but could you at least play baseball for a couple of hours?

by tait644 on Jul 21, 2007 11:10 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

For what it's worth
Towers isn't a guy you can wait on, because you'll just find yourself down 0-1 or 0-2 all the time. The team just isn't hitting his strikes.

by Jeff on Jul 21, 2007 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

haha, i love dave sims
"This being baseball you'll hear some bad words and you just heard one....get over it"
Every time Turbo bats in the 2 hole, God kills a kitten

by cougfan on Jul 21, 2007 11:11 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

That microphone near home plate
is really earning its money today. Hilarious.

by Jeff on Jul 21, 2007 11:11 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Its the only entertaining thing in this game
Every time Turbo bats in the 2 hole, God kills a kitten

by cougfan on Jul 21, 2007 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Weaver getting no run support
although I guess Towers can say the same thing.
WHAT ARE YOU DOING JOHNNY MAC?!?!

by MFAN on Jul 21, 2007 11:12 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Matt Stairs
seems like a good guy to take over as the next Rod Beck.

by Jeff on Jul 21, 2007 11:15 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Hughson says "hot lunch"
Jeff laughs like a little bitch.

by Jeff on Jul 21, 2007 11:17 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Stop upper cutting the ball
Someone teach the cuban how to properly hit.  And remind him hes not a damn power hitter
Every time Turbo bats in the 2 hole, God kills a kitten

by cougfan on Jul 21, 2007 11:18 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Yank one out Ich
POWER SWING BABY

by TheMarinator on Jul 21, 2007 11:19 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Uh
I never thought I'd ever hear Josh Towers compared to JJ Putz.

by Jeff on Jul 21, 2007 11:19 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

FSN not working for me
On to the canadian feed
Every time Turbo bats in the 2 hole, God kills a kitten

by cougfan on Jul 21, 2007 11:20 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

OH FUCK RAUL IS UP
Please step into a pitch Raul

by TheMarinator on Jul 21, 2007 11:23 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Now batting
Rally killer RAAAAUUUUULLLLLLLLL
Every time Turbo bats in the 2 hole, God kills a kitten

by cougfan on Jul 21, 2007 11:23 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

ok guys.....
2 may be all you need...
do it

by gblady on Jul 21, 2007 11:23 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

1st and 3rd
and....

now....

Raul.

by MfaninAlaska on Jul 21, 2007 11:23 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Get beaned!
Every time Turbo bats in the 2 hole, God kills a kitten

by cougfan on Jul 21, 2007 11:23 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

fuck, it's Raul
WHAT ARE YOU DOING JOHNNY MAC?!?!

by MFAN on Jul 21, 2007 11:23 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

here we go...
come on raul, i dont ask for much from you, but we need this...

by thenatural on Jul 21, 2007 11:23 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Wild pitch?
Give me something to save us here
Every time Turbo bats in the 2 hole, God kills a kitten

by cougfan on Jul 21, 2007 11:24 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Hey men on the corners
and we get the worst hitter in the lineup at the plate!

by Jeff on Jul 21, 2007 11:24 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Out
In someone's mind, Raul > Adam Jones.

There are some things that I do not understand.

by Katal LM on Jul 21, 2007 11:25 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Fuck him
retire
Every time Turbo bats in the 2 hole, God kills a kitten

by cougfan on Jul 21, 2007 11:25 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Fuck you Vernon Wells
Damn, hardest hit ball by Raul in awhile

by TheMarinator on Jul 21, 2007 11:26 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

well crap
he hit the crap out of it....

by MfaninAlaska on Jul 21, 2007 11:26 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Vernon Well came out of the closet
"Players have two things to do. Play and keep their mouths shut." - Sparky Anderson

by Omerta on Jul 21, 2007 11:26 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Wells even.
"Players have two things to do. Play and keep their mouths shut." - Sparky Anderson

by Omerta on Jul 21, 2007 11:26 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Raul hits a ball hard
And still makes an out.

by nfreakct on Jul 21, 2007 11:26 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

AH FUCK
I couldn't see in the shadows >:(

by Jeff on Jul 21, 2007 11:27 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Since 2002
almost every crappy and/or rookie pitcher owns us.  If I wasn't lazy, I'd compile a w/l record to confirm that.
"Players have two things to do. Play and keep their mouths shut." - Sparky Anderson

by Omerta on Jul 21, 2007 11:29 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

We haven't been shut out since
May 16, against the Angels. Rally coming in the eighth.

by sammy on Jul 21, 2007 11:29 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

what's the weather like
in the Tacoma area??...... Rainiers are scheduled for double header today.

by MfaninAlaska on Jul 21, 2007 11:29 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Heh
"He leaves one of those sliders up, this score is 2-0."

:slider up:

:harmlessly fouled off:

by Jeff on Jul 21, 2007 11:32 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

That slider rocked
Only 74 pitches for Weaver.

by Jeff on Jul 21, 2007 11:34 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I wonder
how many stadiums Guillen has homered in thus far...

by Slica on Jul 21, 2007 11:35 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Adrian K's on an outside slider
someone read their scouting reports
Every time Turbo bats in the 2 hole, God kills a kitten

by cougfan on Jul 21, 2007 11:37 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Uh
That was embarrassing, Adrian.

by anky on Jul 21, 2007 11:37 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

That was a terrible AB
Bad Beltre.
"Players have two things to do. Play and keep their mouths shut." - Sparky Anderson

by Omerta on Jul 21, 2007 11:37 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Why isn't Broussard playing?
He'd be 3-3 already off this RH clown.

by anky on Jul 21, 2007 11:39 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Oh good it's Lopez time
way too much of our batting order is pathetic right now.

by Jeff on Jul 21, 2007 11:40 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Well Sopcast just crashed
I wonder how many embarrassing pop-outs I've missed.

by Jeff on Jul 21, 2007 11:42 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

defense wins championships
Don't listen to their lies, Bill! Look at the sparkly ERA! Sparkly sparkly! - McCovey Chronicles

by Trenchtown2 on Jul 21, 2007 11:42 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Wooooooooo Lopey
"Players have two things to do. Play and keep their mouths shut." - Sparky Anderson

by Omerta on Jul 21, 2007 11:42 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Time for Burke's 1st FB
You know you want to Jamie!

by TheMarinator on Jul 21, 2007 11:43 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm feelin some Big Ben right now
WHAT ARE YOU DOING JOHNNY MAC?!?!

by MFAN on Jul 21, 2007 11:44 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Joh to pinch hit?
mmmm ok, he's been better lately

by TheMarinator on Jul 21, 2007 11:44 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Thank God Towers is gone.
I never thought I'd have to say that.

by Jeff on Jul 21, 2007 11:44 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

PH?
if you are going to ph for Burke why would you use Joh against a right hander instead of Broussard?

by MfaninAlaska on Jul 21, 2007 11:44 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Eh. I can see both sides
On one hand it would be a better matchup with BB but then you waste a position player because Joh comes in anyway..  

by seattlesundevil on Jul 21, 2007 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

let's go Ben!
WHAT ARE YOU DOING JOHNNY MAC?!?!

by MFAN on Jul 21, 2007 11:46 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Damn
"Players have two things to do. Play and keep their mouths shut." - Sparky Anderson

by Omerta on Jul 21, 2007 11:47 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

still the right call
but fuck
VIDRO STOPPED BECAUSE HE PROBABLY SAW SOME EFFING FOOD IN THE CROWD - katal

by Babar on Jul 21, 2007 11:48 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Oh Jesus
Strikeouts > Pop outs

by Jeff on Jul 21, 2007 11:48 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

3 hits
and Josh Towers was pitching? Why?!?!
Free Adam Jones

by bluemax on Jul 21, 2007 11:49 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Josh Towers is scrawny.
Meanwhile the Angels haven't homered in 13 games.

by Jeff on Jul 21, 2007 11:50 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

13 games?
GMJ better hook them up

by jtopps on Jul 21, 2007 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Jeff Weaver >> Ervin Santana
WHAT ARE YOU DOING JOHNNY MAC?!?!

by MFAN on Jul 21, 2007 11:52 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

To hell with that implosion haha
This is some damn efficient pitching from Reefer Jaw!  

by seattlesundevil on Jul 21, 2007 11:53 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

The only difference between us and them
is that they had two bloopers fall in before a single.

by Jeff on Jul 21, 2007 11:53 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Memo to Banner Bank:
Bucky Jacobsen isn't a Mariner fan-favorite anymore.  Get a new D+ list celebrity for your commercials.

by anky on Jul 21, 2007 11:53 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Kathy Griffin
is a Vicki Lewis wannabe.

Newsradio > Suddenly Susan

by Slica on Jul 21, 2007 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah
everyone knows that jose vidro is the most popular mariner
Spider pig, spider pig does whatever a spider pig does.

by wadswerth on Jul 21, 2007 12:02 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yuni pop up
the sky is blue

by TheMarinator on Jul 21, 2007 11:55 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Hey at least that pop-out got out of the infield
You been lifting, betty?
"Players have two things to do. Play and keep their mouths shut." - Sparky Anderson

by Omerta on Jul 21, 2007 11:55 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

81 pitches for Weaver.
81.

And we're wasting this.

by Jeff on Jul 21, 2007 11:55 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm so sick of this clown.
Betancourt is a legitimate problem.

by Jeff on Jul 21, 2007 11:56 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Triunfel.
Solution.

by anky on Jul 21, 2007 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Willie is a better option
I'm on board for Willie being a Betancourt replacement

by TheMarinator on Jul 21, 2007 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

HA! the loogy in to face Ichiro
unfortunately Ibanez is behind him so... let's see the power swing!

by hcoguy on Jul 21, 2007 11:56 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

that was our last chance for runs...
What a waste of the rare non-wasted Weaver.

by jtopps on Jul 21, 2007 11:59 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Stupid Sopcast.
Catch up to the outs we're making.

by Jeff on Jul 21, 2007 11:59 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Vidro = .811 july OPS
WHAT ARE YOU DOING JOHNNY MAC?!?!

by MFAN on Jul 21, 2007 11:59 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

3
Every time Turbo bats in the 2 hole, God kills a kitten

by cougfan on Jul 21, 2007 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

maybe this will help wake somebody up
Bring him up already

Now watch Raul hit a game tying HR

by TheMarinator on Jul 21, 2007 12:02 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

If by Home-Run, You Mean
pop-up, then yes, I won't be surprised to see Raul do that.

by JoeyJoJoJuniorShabadoo on Jul 21, 2007 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is all rauls fault
If he could make a throw this game would be 0-0
Every time Turbo bats in the 2 hole, God kills a kitten

by cougfan on Jul 21, 2007 12:02 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

he also flied out in a crucial situation
RETIRE YOU OLD TIRED FUCK

by TheMarinator on Jul 21, 2007 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Which Hitters are Available?
This is just ugly. Josh Towers? Are you serious?

by JoeyJoJoJuniorShabadoo on Jul 21, 2007 12:03 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Wow I wake up and I expect a score of 8-7
and it's 1-0?

We can't get anything of Josh friggin' Towers?

Well, at least Jose and Adrian are hitting in the ninth. I have faith in those 2.

by WeeJoe on Jul 21, 2007 12:04 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Can't we put Ellison in for defense
right now...  and let him hit for Ra_l?

by seattlesundevil on Jul 21, 2007 12:05 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

9th inning
gonna go ahead and start with an out.  No way ral does anything here
Every time Turbo bats in the 2 hole, God kills a kitten

by cougfan on Jul 21, 2007 12:05 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

An absolute GEM by Weaver!
and we're 3 outs from completely wasting it.

If we lose it will be the most irritating loss of the season for me.

by TheMarinator on Jul 21, 2007 12:05 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

We are wasting an awesome start
by Jeff Weaver.......

by anky on Jul 21, 2007 12:06 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

If we don't score here..
88 pitch CG for Weaver.  Whodathunkdit

by seattlesundevil on Jul 21, 2007 12:06 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

What's the time limit on subbing?
Could we make some roster moves and bus Jones up from Tacoma in time to PH?

by hcoguy on Jul 21, 2007 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hed need to fly an f-18 up to make it
Every time Turbo bats in the 2 hole, God kills a kitten

by cougfan on Jul 21, 2007 12:09 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah duh.
its still early for a saturday

by hcoguy on Jul 21, 2007 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

last hacks...
come on Guillen, Beltre, we need you

raul, try not to fuck up too bad

by thenatural on Jul 21, 2007 12:06 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

88 pitches through 8
and we're losing. I hate this game so much.

by sammy on Jul 21, 2007 12:06 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Lucky Weaver is Good Weaver
"Players have two things to do. Play and keep their mouths shut." - Sparky Anderson

by Omerta on Jul 21, 2007 12:07 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

2 run homer
Putz in game over.  That's my plan for the 9th.

by anky on Jul 21, 2007 12:07 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

very nice
I like your thinkin'

by WeeJoe on Jul 21, 2007 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Lefty in
Ral out
Every time Turbo bats in the 2 hole, God kills a kitten

by cougfan on Jul 21, 2007 12:08 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

.....Adam Jones??
Every time Turbo bats in the 2 hole, God kills a kitten

by cougfan on Jul 21, 2007 12:09 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Raul looks like an insect
with those shades on...

Nice K by the way, get DFA'd

by anky on Jul 21, 2007 12:09 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Go somewhere else and play baseball RAUL
If you don't want to retire just leave

by TheMarinator on Jul 21, 2007 12:09 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Damn that seemed a little low
"Players have two things to do. Play and keep their mouths shut." - Sparky Anderson

by Omerta on Jul 21, 2007 12:09 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Ad-am Jo-nes!
clapclap clapclapclap

by BrettJMiller on Jul 21, 2007 12:09 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Ha
LOL
I wish this event were tonight. When is it? February. Then why are you wearing a tux? It's after 6 - what am I, a Farmer?

by IrishMariner on Jul 21, 2007 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm so glad Raul is Mr. Mariner.
SO FUCKING GLAD.

by Slozbury Stouvre on Jul 21, 2007 12:10 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Could this be the point when
the front office finally makes the move?  Ra_l seems CLUELESS

by seattlesundevil on Jul 21, 2007 12:10 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Probably better that you just take your outs
without swinging. Makes you look less stupid.

Is there a reason why Sopcast fucking crashes like this?

by Jeff on Jul 21, 2007 12:11 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

It didnt want you to watch
too painful.  Its looking out for you
Every time Turbo bats in the 2 hole, God kills a kitten

by cougfan on Jul 21, 2007 12:12 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

According to Gameday
Downs threw zero strikes in that at bat.

by Jeff on Jul 21, 2007 12:12 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Ibanez disagrees
Every time Turbo bats in the 2 hole, God kills a kitten

by cougfan on Jul 21, 2007 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

If there was ever a game that convinced Bavasi
to call up Adam Jones, it's this one. If he isn't called up tonight, he will NEVER SEE THE MAJOR LEAGUES IN HIS LIFE BESIDES YOU KNOW LAST SEASON BUT I DIGRESS.

by Slozbury Stouvre on Jul 21, 2007 12:13 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Wasn't it Accardo that Guillen homered off of
In the last game Weaver pitched 8 innings of 1 run ball vs. Toronto?

by BrettJMiller on Jul 21, 2007 12:14 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Jesus christ swing the bat
2 K's looking in a row?

by anky on Jul 21, 2007 12:14 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Hey guys
We're fucking boned.

by Gomez on Jul 21, 2007 12:15 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Welp, this babys over
quick and painful
Every time Turbo bats in the 2 hole, God kills a kitten

by cougfan on Jul 21, 2007 12:15 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Fuck that game
At least it was god damn short.

by anky on Jul 21, 2007 12:15 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Ughhhhhhhhhh
that was PAINFUL!  Angels are safe for another day...
"Players have two things to do. Play and keep their mouths shut." - Sparky Anderson

by Omerta on Jul 21, 2007 12:15 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Look at the bright side
This game makes painfully clear that we need some Adam Jones.

by jtopps on Jul 21, 2007 12:15 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

The F.O won't see it that way.
They will think we definitely do not need another K prone hitter. Because, we HAVE to lead the league in fewest k's, that wins championships.

by hcoguy on Jul 21, 2007 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

how?
the whole team blew chunks offensively this game.... Adam Jones is not a god that's going to make all the other players hit....

This is what drives me nuts about the Adam Jones love.... like he's suddenly going to make everyone else 10 x's better when he comes up.

by MfaninAlaska on Jul 21, 2007 12:19 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

He's not a savior
but he's the easiest solution to the most obvious problem. You can't fix everything at once, but neglecting to fix one glaring issue because he doesn't solve everything is ignorant and irresponsible.

by Jeff on Jul 21, 2007 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I understand that...
and concur... .

but how exactly is this game proof positive that he needs to be here?  That's the same thing as saying that if he'd been here, the M's would have won.   That's just total homerism for Jones, who despite all his talents has his own flaws.

I have no problem bringing him up and kicking a useless Ellison to the curb and giving Jones as much playing time as possible, unless he struggles mightily when he comes up.

But putting expectations on him, that he's going to come up and make a night and day difference to what we have.....

well I can't wait till he struggles in important situations in close games to hear what you guys say about him....

by MfaninAlaska on Jul 21, 2007 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh, I dunno how this game is proof positive.
That I don't necessarily agree with. I think it's more like the entire last month has been evidence enough.

by Jeff on Jul 21, 2007 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think the month of July
has been the only proof positive that Jones needs to be in for Raul... but is that because Raul is done... or is it because he's in a slump?

Before the all-star break Raul: .275 .324 .426 .750

Since the all-star break:
148 .200 .185 .385

he's in a slump that is for sure.... but while he wasn't an all-star in the first half, he was still quite productive, and frankly more productive offensively then I think Jones will be when he does come up... I don't think Jones is going to be that productive until next year, when he is able to adjust to the better quality pitching.

by MfaninAlaska on Jul 21, 2007 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's all that one game, though.
Outside of that frighteningly awesome game in Cleveland, Raul's first half batting line was .266/.316/.388. Save for one time period of three hours and five at bats, he's been awful all season long.

Jones can match that, and I have every confidence that he'll blow Raul's defense out of the water, too. He's an upgrade. If Raul wants to earn a spot in the lineup, he ought to have to prove it in practice or pinch-hit opportunities.

by Jeff on Jul 21, 2007 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

ok
but Raul is not the biggest problem with this team.... yeah you can upgrade his position defensively... I'm not convinced Jones will be an offensive upgrade at this point in his career....

but you are just taking a step sideways in that, and making your team even more right handed then it currently is, while playing in a park that favors left handed hitters.... so you're dumping one of the 3 starters that hits for an .800 ops against right handed pitchers, in favor of another right handed hitter.

again, I'm not saying Raul isn't struggling, and I'm not saying Jones isn't better defensively.  I'm saying.. if this team wants to make the playoffs... Jones replacing Raul full time ain't going to help the offense, but it will help the defense.

by MfaninAlaska on Jul 21, 2007 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I actually think he *is* the biggest problem.
Again, outside of that crazy game against Cleveland, Raul's batted .252/.303/.366 on the season - the worst line on the team. He's matched that with simultaneously terrible defense. Jones will blow his fielding away, and I think the odds are very good that he tops Raul's offensive production as well (even if only by a little). There's a slim chance that he just blows up and can't hit Major League pitching at all, but then Raul isn't hitting it either, and Jones' defensive edge means there's pretty much no way at all that the team is worse off after making the move.

Yeah, Raul's left-handed, and that's good for Safeco. But at some point the handedness advantage goes away when the talent difference is so wide.

by Jeff on Jul 21, 2007 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is where I disagree.
while yes Raul's overall numbers are bad... its his numbers vs. left handed pitchers that is demolishing his overall value....

The majority of the team's at-bats are vs. right handed pitching.

822 AB's vs. LHP
2419 AB's vs. RHP

Guillen -
.242 .310 .373 .683 vs. RHP
.415 .500 .683 1.183 vs. LHP

Johjima -
.251 .289 .384 .672 vs. RHP
.375 .420 .656 1.077 vs. LHP

Betancourt -
.272 .295 .350 .645 vs. RHP
.316 .354 .474 .827 VS. LHP

Raul
.278 .342 .463 .805 vs. RHP
.235 .248 .284 .532 vs. LHP

If you are going to make a change with another rhb vs. rhp and have it positively affect the club, then Guillen should be replaced vs. RHP by Jones, and Ibanez only vs. LHP.

At the same time, Johjima is hurting the club big time in the majority of his at bats, Clement would be a massive improvement over Joh especially since he is a left handed bat.

And Betancourt vs. RHP is pretty horrible as well.

You can look at the overall numbers and say one thing, but when you break it down, Guillen is having a much more negative impact on the offense then Ibanez is based on the breakdown's of RHP vs. LHP.   Guillen is flukishly effective right now against LHP and downright horrible the majority of the time.

All of those players have almost twice as many at-bats vs. RHP as they do vs. LHP.

To make things most effective for the team offensively, you'd want Jones replacing Guillen vs. RHP and replacing Raul vs. LHP.

by MfaninAlaska on Jul 21, 2007 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm gonna keep going back to this though
that one awesome game for Raul was against all righties. His split's at .262/.328/.407 for the rest of the year, and while that's still better than Guillen, I think it's far more indicative of what he's capable of right now than his overall line, which is driven up by one admittedly fantastic effort (one that, if you remember, convinced me that Raul was actually fine).

Ideally, I do agree with you that the best solution would be a three-man rotation between Jones, Ibanez, and Guillen. But I think the team has demonstrated that it has no grasp of platoon splits at all, so with that in mind, we stand to gain the most by replacing Ibanez than by replacing anyone else. It's one of those theory vs. reality things where we wish the reality was a little better optimized.

by Jeff on Jul 21, 2007 2:18 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

well
if you toss out that one great game, then do you toss out a great game vs. rhp for Guillen to?

I know Raul is not a fan favorite, he's one of those quiet guys that doesn't cause trouble, doesn't hit for a ton of power, and doesn't posses a cannon arm.  Basically he's vanilla when everyone wants strawberry.

That however doesn't really mean he's a bad player, just not the favorite like someone like Guillen.  Which, other then obliterating lhp, I don't understand why so many are going crazy over him.  Majority of the time he's a detriment offensively.  I have more confidence in Raul getting better in the second half vs. RHP then I do of Guillen getting better vs. them.

by MfaninAlaska on Jul 21, 2007 2:26 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Guillen's only a fan favorite here
because we like making fun of his attitude problems. It's not really a performance thing, as I think 95% of the people here acknowledge that he's essentially a league-average corner outfielder.

Raul is a bad player. He doesn't get on base, he doesn't hit for power, and he doesn't play defense. He's not a complete black hole against right-handed pitchers, but that's his only plus, and it's barely even significant. I really want to believe that he can recover some of his 2006 before it's too late, but at this point I just don't see any sign of that happening. Maybe after he gets a break to rest his aching body, but even then you're talking about replacing him for at least a few weeks.

by Jeff on Jul 21, 2007 2:41 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Historically Guillen has hit RHP
as well as he hits LHP. I think people are overreacting to his platoon splits.

by JI on Jul 21, 2007 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I dunno
this game could have been a LOT different had Jones been in left instead of Raul - Jones has an arm that is WORLDS better than Rauls and quite possibly could have made the throw home to nail the runner that scored TORs only run.  Also he may not have been as clueless as Ra_l was leading off the ninth inning.  It is much easier to score when you don't have an automatic out to start a crucial inning.  Just my two cents..

by seattlesundevil on Jul 21, 2007 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree...
Really good teams look for every advantage to exploit, and do so.  

Besides, if not having to play the field makes Rauuuul's body feel better, maybe he'll hit better.   AJ is already better than Vidro, so its two offensive upgrades and one defensive one.  Granted it doesn't fix everything, but it is an upgrade.

Still not making fun of Willie.

by carcinogen on Jul 21, 2007 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

No he won't be Superman
but if Raul makes a better throw, maybe they catch Wells. Or maybe Jones doesn't fly-out in a key situation.

Every loss means the Mariners are a little less likely to use the excuse, "this team is winning, we don't want to change anything"

by jtopps on Jul 21, 2007 12:26 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's been painfully clear for awhile
Since Raul can't hit, or field anymore.  And hasn't been able to for a long time.  Also, since they keep replaying Wells making the catch of Raul's liner, it's as if they're trying to say "Hey!  He hit it hard!  He's still good!"

No, Jones probably won't come up until Raul finds a way to not live anymore.

by BrettJMiller on Jul 21, 2007 12:23 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

good god.
ugliest game I've seen in a long while.

by sammy on Jul 21, 2007 12:16 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Aaaaaaaaaand I begin my Saturday embarrassed
way to go guys. Really looked like a contender.

by Jeff on Jul 21, 2007 12:16 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Well that was pathetic.
Luckily I slept through most of this.

Go Twins!

by BrettJMiller on Jul 21, 2007 12:16 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Okay, seriously
I missed all but the final frame.  Did the M's just fall asleep or did Towers actually look effective?

by Gomez on Jul 21, 2007 12:16 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

hey, it didn't hurt our pythag!!
seriously how can you not bring up Adam Jones?  Raul is pathetic, he's not useful in any way, there is no skill Raul possess that is helping us right now.  Jeremy Redd would probably be an upgrade.
WHAT ARE YOU DOING JOHNNY MAC?!?!

by MFAN on Jul 21, 2007 12:18 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

you know
I can't bitch about being shut down by Towers, the Jays actually looked worse against Weaver.
WHAT ARE YOU DOING JOHNNY MAC?!?!

by MFAN on Jul 21, 2007 12:19 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Sweet Fancy Moses
That was an incredibly embarrassing and frustrating shutout.

by JLC on Jul 21, 2007 12:20 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I don't watch every inning of every game, but....
I haven't seen Betancourt do anything good in about a month.

Weirdly, I keep turning on and noticing that Sexson is on first with a walk. Over the last 7 games he has a .476 OBP.

by mobvok on Jul 21, 2007 12:20 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

betancourt
hasn't done anything good in about 2 and a half months.

by sammy on Jul 21, 2007 12:23 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I feel kinda sorry for Weaver.
He pitched a good game but Rauuuuul and his chums shafted him.

Maybe they're paying him back for the early part of the season?

I wish this event were tonight. When is it? February. Then why are you wearing a tux? It's after 6 - what am I, a Farmer?

by IrishMariner on Jul 21, 2007 12:21 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

You mean early in the season
when he also didn't get any run support?

by Jeff on Jul 21, 2007 12:22 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Vidro got two hits today right?
and if they're not going to bench/platoon a .200 hitting Sexson then what makes you think they'll replace Ibanez with Jones?  
"Players have two things to do. Play and keep their mouths shut." - Sparky Anderson

by Omerta on Jul 21, 2007 12:21 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

because
the FO thinks that we're not going to contend unless Sexson heats up in the second-half a la the last two seasons. They know what Broussard's ceiling is and have determined they'd rather get Sexson his ABs until he hits his stride. That's different from Raul because Raul has fallen off a fucking cliff and he's been awful all year long.

by sammy on Jul 21, 2007 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Jays at least have an excuse
They just suck.  But the M's... I'd say jet lag (which wouldn't have hit them as hard yesterday, given the game started at 4 pm PDT) left them completely out of it this morning.  Bad form.

by Gomez on Jul 21, 2007 12:28 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Halladay tomorrow against Felix
gotta win since we then head to Texas to pitch Horacio, Jarrod and Batista.

by Matthew on Jul 21, 2007 12:58 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Also, if your in Beltre's shoes in the 9th
how many lay a bunt down with Glaus basically conceding it? Get yourself on base as the tying run, Richie up as the winning run. To me, it's either that or you swing for the fences. You're either trying to tie it there or you're trying to get on base. You had a 100% foolproof way of doing the latter...

by Matthew on Jul 21, 2007 1:00 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

If anything
if I know they have a lead-foot at either corner, I'm bunting the living hell out of every AB until they bring the corners in.  But I'm crazy like that.

by Gomez on Jul 21, 2007 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

generally, I would to
I don't understand why someone who gets a massive lefty shift like Hafner or Ortiz doesn't just bunt down 3B every at bat.

newsflash folks .750/.750/.750 is a good line.

by Matthew on Jul 21, 2007 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

do you remember what happened
when Beltre tried to bunt earlier in the season?

by sammy on Jul 21, 2007 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is why
You take serious practice/BP time between games to really work on bunting.  It's clear Beltre never does.

by Gomez on Jul 21, 2007 1:33 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Holy crap
Joe Mauer 3-run inside-the-park homerun!

by ThundaPC on Jul 21, 2007 6:32 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Well that doesn't sound too good
Sammy Sosa Hit By Pitch.
Sammy Sosa left game due to an injured head.

where's that pic of his helmet shattering?

by Eldukey on Jul 21, 2007 6:38 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Twins win
And we're officially half way to totally redeeming this day.

by ThundaPC on Jul 21, 2007 6:47 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Angels Lose!
I am not Coach Owens!

by Coach Owens on Jul 21, 2007 6:47 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

sweeeeeeeeeeeet
and I like the Garza/Saunders matchup tomorrow.

by Jeff on Jul 21, 2007 6:47 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

and Jones
guns down a runner at home to keep the game scoreless....

Clement rips a triple to deep center, and the Rainiers lead 1-0

by MfaninAlaska on Jul 21, 2007 6:50 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

question
didn't they have a doulbeheader planned for today? if so, why wait until 6pm to start play?

by Matthew on Jul 21, 2007 6:51 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

oh and
AD-AM JO-NES

CLAPCLAP    CLAPCLAPCLAP

by Matthew on Jul 21, 2007 6:51 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

wasn't planned
its a makeup of yesterday's rainout.

by MfaninAlaska on Jul 21, 2007 6:52 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

considering the angels lost by 3
and the indians are losing by 5, not only are we on pace to hold in terms of GB, but by run differential, we're set to improve out postseason odds. 47.8% coming into today according to coolstandings.com, if the Clev-Tex score holds up we might be looking at 50% tomorrow.

by Matthew on Jul 21, 2007 6:50 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

fsn showing the beavers game
and not the rainiers...

boo, could really go for some tacoma tv action

by Matthew on Jul 21, 2007 6:53 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

To fair
Texas is letting them back in.

by ThundaPC on Jul 21, 2007 7:06 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hay Guyz!!!
Did you know David Beckham is coming top America?!

by Robert on Jul 21, 2007 7:36 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Indians officially lose.
No ground lost to the teams ahead of us.

by Jeff on Jul 21, 2007 8:57 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Don't look now,
but the red-hot A's are only 10.5 games back. And people said this team isn't due for their usual second half surge. Tell that to their 1 game win streak!

by Slozbury Stouvre on Jul 21, 2007 9:33 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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