Aumont
The baseball amateur draft is a time many people look forward to so that they can voice their opinions about players that most people have never heard of. Some people do it well, some people don't, and some people take the stuff that qualified people say and try to pass it off as their own scouting insight. It's a delightful circus of emotion, hope, and plagiarism that always seems to get a big reaction from fanbases that've never even seen their new top draft pick play in a game.
We went over this a year ago, but again, I'm gonna be honest - I don't know much about the guys getting drafted. Because my weeks leading up to the draft are spent working, watching the M's, and watching the NHL playoffs, I just don't have time to appropriately research the countless players that might end up as the next top Mariner prospects. It's both something I wish I could do and something I know I can't.
Fortunately, other people can. And these other people are giving me really good vibes about our new 6'7, 18 year old right-handed prospect from the north(east), Phillippe Aumont. Baseball America likes him. John Sickels likes him. Dave Cameron likes him. And so on and so forth. For a little background, here's an interview with him recently posted at Baseball Analysts. He's only been pitching for four years and he didn't have a high school team in Canada, so you better believe he's incredibly raw, but when you're so raw and yet still so good, that just means you've got a high ceiling. The only downside I can see to this right now is that Aumont's been living in Gatineau, Quebec, which is situated right next to Ottawa, and as many of you are no doubt currently aware, Ottawa has been the cause of much personal heartbreak over the past ten years.
I'm not going to parrot what other people are saying; it's their work, and I don't have the right to claim it's mine. Dave's write-up is pretty thorough, encouraging, and free, so that should be the first thing you read. The bare bones are that Aumont has a four-seam fastball that's touched the high-90s, a two-seam fastball around 91-93 that he uses as his primary pitch, and developing secondary stuff, including a slider with pretty good potential. MiLB has a player profile complete with video for those interested.
The only new thing I want to contribute to the discussion is this - check out Aumont's delivery when compared to Brandon Morrow's:
Morrow is all power, coming off the rubber full force towards home plate. Aumont, meanwhile, is one of those "tall-and-fall" guys who starts moving towards the plate almost immediately, with his arm catching up later on. The result is that he's getting little momentum from his body and most of it from an arm that whips through the zone a lot like a right-handed Randy Johnson's.
Good? Bad? Meaningless? I'm not smart enough to answer that. Based on personal experience, my gut feeling is that he could generate more velocity by staying back a little longer, but I wouldn't be surprised if Aumont's groundball tendencies were the direct result of his delivery - his body is pulling him down towards the plate, so his arm follows suit. And since Aumont's effective two-seamer and ability to make hitters pound the ball into the ground are his big drawing points, it'd be silly to suggest that he change the way he throws. Consider this more an observation than highlighting a potential problem.
Aumont is young, raw, inexperienced, and a whole bunch of other synonyms. Even in the best-case scenario, it's going to be a while before he's ready to help the Mariners at the Major League level. However, the upside is huge, and in recognizing that the men in charge were able to ignore their presumed biases towards players who could contribute in a matter of months, instead of years. For the first time in what seems like forever, the Mariner organization has made a decision in its long-term best interests, rather than blowing off the future in the pursuit of immediate gain. And for the first time since last night, I'm smiling.
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Also, as was pointed out below
Interesting item
Interesting, and it would explain his control problems. I hope someone comes to their senses, pulls him from the rotation and allows him to heal sooner rather than later, as further use could lead to further damage. Because, as it stands, walking a bunch of guys and getting pounded with a bum arm doesn't do anyone any good.
Saw that...
by JY on Jun 7, 2007 2:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Isn't that what happened with Morrow in college?
If they bullpen him
Very well said.
"It's a delightful circus of emotion, hope, and plagiarism that always seems to get a big reaction from fanbases that've never even seen their new top draft pick play in a game."
Is doubly meaningful for the NFL draft. It's amazing how much regurgitated scout-speak gets thrown around leading up to and following the draft, or how much credence many fans give this thrice removed mumbo-jumbo.
by John Morgan @ Lookout Landing on Jun 7, 2007 2:21 PM PDT reply actions
pitching form...
the key is timing. looking at aumont's initial form shows an impressive learning curve. some people find their mechanics naturally...others have to force them. a lot of people put too much reliance on pushing off with the legs for velocity. in reality it's all about when your hips square-off to the plate followed by the upper torso. think of it like winding a rubber-band around a pencil and letting go. the arm-whip created is where the velocity is combined with arm-strength.
this is why you see short pitchers throwing just as fast as tall pitchers...timing. it always comes back to fundamentals.
the one place where tall pitchers have the advantage is the release point. every foot closer to the plate where the ball is released creates an artificial 3 mph increase in velocity because it reduces the amount of time the batter has to react to a pitch. This is why a lot of pitching coaches preach the tall and fall to tall guys and not so much to short pitchers.
That said, Aumont has a lot of upside considering height and his devastating 3/4 delivery. With the proper training and conditioning he could easily be a top of the rotation guy.
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Velocity is a function of joint torque
by Graham MacAree on Jun 7, 2007 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Not so much
joint torque...
looking at his scouting video one more time brought a couple more things to mind:
- He doesn't finish all that well. With a tall and fall approach you should see more of a follow-through than with other forms. if you watch his vid that's linked from dave cameron's blog you'll see his arm bounce back. A consistent and complete follow through will lead to him leaving the ball down and decrease stress to the arm.
- It appears (from that limited video coverage at least) that he crosses up the catcher a lot. Either the catcher isn't all that great or he has a repetition issue. Not really a big deal because when he gets under big league trainers they'll pound it into him over and over and over. I like that he's a raw talent and hasn't receive much pitching instruction. Hopefully he'll have an open mind and work on the form a tad.
by sirbrianwilson on Jun 7, 2007 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions
I noticed that, too.
It's pretty easy to see what coaching he's had, and what coaching he hasn't.
by Jeff Sullivan on Jun 7, 2007 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh, I was just speaking from my own background.
I do love that he's a tall sinkerballer. For a high schooler, his skillset makes him a pretty safe pick, and with an awful lot of upside.
by Jeff Sullivan on Jun 7, 2007 2:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah..
Personally, i'd only push a tall and fall approach for tall athletes with a natural timing.
Otherwise, sometimes it's better to let one's form come naturally. See: Ichiro's batting form.
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by sirbrianwilson on Jun 7, 2007 2:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Jeff - I think this is a job for you.
However, we know that his father is a big fan of the Montreal Canadiens, and Philippe himself is actually a New Jersey Devils fan because he loves Martin Brodeur. Brodeur is also from Montreal.
So I'm guessing Aumont is actually from somewhere further east than Gatineau, but with all the hockey connections I figure you're the best guy to pin that down.
Martin Brodeur and Roberto Luongo
Where did you get the info on a drug habit?
Baseball America says he has a past he doesn't
Thanks!
Hopefully that means he appreciates this opportunity he's been given!
I'm not concerned.
by Jeff Sullivan on Jun 7, 2007 3:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Sure sounds like it according to his
The kids going to be a pitcher, not the President of the United States (or Canada's Prime Minister... That's what they have, correct?)
Man... kid's probably got quite a story
I suppose that is a downside.
And everytime the camera shows him in the dugout
Guess how much I like Schill?
so its not a perfect game
by Bearskin Rugburn on Jun 7, 2007 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions
A perfect game is nobody reaching base.At all.
Correct.
Wow Kendall is slow.
Could we keep this thread on topic?
by Jeff Sullivan on Jun 7, 2007 2:49 PM PDT up reply actions
So, did Schill accidentally run over your dog?
by John Morgan @ Lookout Landing on Jun 7, 2007 2:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Without the error
Mangini
Looks like a solid prospect. Could be a sleeper.
by TheMarinator on Jun 7, 2007 2:52 PM PDT reply actions
I love how
At this game, there was some concern that Mangini had developed some bad habits in terms of having an aluminum bat swing. He handled wood well last summer and scouts will want to see him return to that swing before considering him early.
In other words, once he gets used to wood bats, then....
Looks like two nice picks so far with Aumont and Mangini.
If it's just a bad habit from switching
I'm still confused
by Edgar for Pres on Jun 7, 2007 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Timing maybe?
Substance consistency
With aluminum, you hit the ball square with any part of the bat and the ball will come off the bat with the same general velocity.
So how would that explain him being worse
could be a comfort thing
Oh no, not worse
This is what's confusing me:
It's from BA I beleive.
What it appears to mean
Hopefully it's just a bad habit he developed
I don't know
by Edgar for Pres on Jun 7, 2007 6:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Are there signability issues?
None at all.
by Jeff Sullivan on Jun 7, 2007 3:11 PM PDT up reply actions
He has zeero interest in going to college
Yeah.
by Jeff Sullivan on Jun 7, 2007 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Last one was Mayberry, correct?
Mayberry is right
.316 .492 .808
That would suck to have him in the minors,
an 803 OPS
Language barrier
Jeff, I think this is a sign...
This could very well be Canadian karma. After the gut wrenching loss in the Finals karma decided to throw you a bone (or at least that's what I'm hoping). Considering the sheer amount of suffering and copious amounts of alcohol ingested of said hockey team, karma owes you a great deal. Hopefully my theory is correct. Because if you balance out the heaps of bad karma with this kid, then he's destined to be ace #2 behind Felix. One can only hope your suffering has not been for nothing.
Thanks for taking one for the team.

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