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Wbc_029_tiny by Jeff Sullivan on in Seattle Mariners Regular News

ROSTER UPDATE: Baek to the 15-day DL, Rowland-Smith recalled.

First Pitch: 7:05pm PDT

                   

Hopper LF Ichiro CF Phillips 2B Beltre 3B Griffey RF Ibanez LF Conine 1B Guillen RF Dunn DH Johjima C Encarnacion 3B Sexson 1B Gonzalez SS Vidro DH Hamilton CF Betancourt SS Ross C Ballgame 2B ---------- ----------

Harang (7-2, 3.88)          Feierabend (1-1, 4.50)

LET'S GO MARINERS!!

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Don't the Reds
have some player on their team who used to be a Mariner?

by tworsandtwols on Jun 22, 2007 2:23 PM PDT reply actions  

I think maybe
it was back when they played in the King Felix Dome, but I could be wrong.

It's not Schooler, is it?

by tworsandtwols on Jun 22, 2007 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

Griffey, I think
That should be kind of interesting, seeing him at Safeco. Maybe the broadcasters will mention his return during the game at some point.

by Katal LM on Jun 22, 2007 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

No, Hatteberg played for Oakland
They got that old, chubby RF slugger, though.  Fat Elvis Griffey or something.

by Gomez on Jun 22, 2007 2:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hell Yeah
The return of Eddie!!!
"You guys should be in every major city. This is some heavy shit. This is, like, Lone Ranger heavy, man."

by AZSEAfan on Jun 22, 2007 3:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ha ha!
I didn't know monkeys were allowed in the MLB
Top 5 Greatest Players ever: 1. Josh Gibson 2. Cool Papa Bell 3. Babe Ruth 4. Matty 5. Ty Cobb

by Coach Owens on Jun 22, 2007 2:28 PM PDT reply actions  

You don't get it?
Harang's nickname is the "Harangutan".
Top 5 Greatest Players ever: 1. Josh Gibson 2. Cool Papa Bell 3. Babe Ruth 4. Matty 5. Ty Cobb

by Coach Owens on Jun 22, 2007 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

THE RETURN OF BOBBY LIVINGSTON
I wish FSN would shut up about it already.

by JI on Jun 22, 2007 2:28 PM PDT reply actions  

Griffey on returning to Seattle:
"I haven't been back, not once," he said. "No desire. And why does everybody want me to talk about Seattle? What's the big deal? What am I going to do? I'm going to Scott Hatteberg's house."

Even Griffey wants people to settle the fuck down.

Protect the enviroment, or I'll FUCKING KILL YOU! CAPTAAAAAIIIINNNN PLANNNNET! ~Ted Turner

by Goose on Jun 22, 2007 2:47 PM PDT reply actions  

I've heard tell
that he doesn't want to say too much positive about Seattle for fear of irking everyone in Cincinnati. The guy wants to be liked by everyone... and while it's not the smartest thing in the world, I get the "need" for it because I do it too.

But you know what the greatest thing about Griffey is? He basically forced Woody Woodward's resignation. They brought in Gillick because Mr. Woodward didn't want to be "the man who traded Ken Griffey, Junior." At least, that's what I remember hearing some years ago.

Okay, maybe that's not the GREATEST thing, but if you really really wanted to stretch it, you could say that Griffey had a major influence in the Mariners run of 2000-2002 because of it... then again, you could keep that stretch going and blame Griffey for Gillick scorching the minor league system before Bavasi took over, which I suppose we're still feeling to some level today?

by tworsandtwols on Jun 22, 2007 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

Heh.
All I can think of, after hearing that quote, is this.  
"But when you throw the other ones a foot and a half out of the strike zone, they don't give you those." --Brandon Morrow

by PositivePaul on Jun 22, 2007 3:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

Mariner fans
want this to mean way much more than it actually does.

He doesn't want to come back.  There's no real place for him if he does come back, and he's so old and broken down that it wouldn't be a good baseball idea to bring him back.

All of this is almost a slap in the face to the existing ballclub.  "Hey, you're our team, that's nice, now STFU and step aside so we can give this guy who played for us 5-10 years ago a giant public blowjob, thx."

by Gomez on Jun 22, 2007 3:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

Also the D-Rays just sent Elijah Dukes to AAA
and placed him on the inactive list.
Protect the enviroment, or I'll FUCKING KILL YOU! CAPTAAAAAIIIINNNN PLANNNNET! ~Ted Turner

by Goose on Jun 22, 2007 2:49 PM PDT reply actions  

Well that's good
Otherwise we woulda had to sign Eduardo Perez so he could get a FB of off Mr. Lester.  Because if i remember correctly Jon was the guy who gave up Perez's one FB as a Mariner. Was'nt that also the game where Beltre got his Inside the Parker?
Adrian Beltre>Mike Blowers Russ Davis>Player A

by mariners11 on Jun 22, 2007 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

But that was before the FB era.
Griffey has the all-time Mariner HR record, but I think Sexson's got the all-time Mariner FB record.

by tworsandtwols on Jun 22, 2007 3:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

Why!!!
How dare you compare "Harangatang" (thanks for that Coach!) to the Ace Man!

by G4Real on Jun 22, 2007 3:15 PM PDT reply actions  

Yay! Ryan Feierabend!
Yay!  High socks!  

Yay!  Scott Hatteberg!

Boo David Ross though.  I was really hoping he'd follow up with another good season.

also boo on Kirk Saarloos, for that matter.

by Deanna on Jun 22, 2007 3:15 PM PDT reply actions  

Yay! Beer!
"The Dude. Takin' 'er easy for all us sinners."

by Thingray on Jun 22, 2007 3:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

WTF Gomez?
A giant public blowjob?  Do you not like Safeco Field?  This isn't about whether or not he ever wants to come back.  It's about saying thanks, we appreciate having baseball in Seattle.  

by ryanb on Jun 22, 2007 3:20 PM PDT reply actions  

Cut the crap
Players come and players go, and what Griffey did a player here was great... but the past is over and we have a growing team in the present that's going to be great in the future.  Let's focus on the present instead of wishing it was 1995 again.

by Gomez on Jun 22, 2007 3:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Also
Name another team that did something like this for a former player whenever he came into town.

by Gomez on Jun 22, 2007 3:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

It's not whenever.
This is the first time we have seen him since him he left.  Teams do do this all the time to celebrate things that happened in the past.  I mean, should we all just forget about it?  That's pretty damn depressing...

by ryanb on Jun 22, 2007 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

There's no need to go this far over the top
It's obnoxious how far the hype machine's going.  Even Griffey himself thinks it's ridiculous.

by Gomez on Jun 22, 2007 3:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

The hype is overdoing it
and so is the signing of "Griffey Returns" baseballs. But I don't think the pregame ceremony is overdoing it necessarily (depending on what happens in those 15 minutes. If they retire his number on the spot, it's probably too much, but I'd still go for it), and I don't think that the Mariners reminding people he's coming in their ads is too much, but I do think that FSN is crazynuts.

by tworsandtwols on Jun 22, 2007 3:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

This I agree with
I don't have a problem with advertising it and doing a ceremony.  But don't mention it EVERY SINGLE MOMENT.  I don't care THAT much.

It's the OVERKILL that's driving me up the wall.  Also, I think it's fueled in large part by people foolishly wanting him to come back, which is even dumber.

by Gomez on Jun 22, 2007 3:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

The Mariners have played the Reds before with
Griffey on the team.
Protect the enviroment, or I'll FUCKING KILL YOU! CAPTAAAAAIIIINNNN PLANNNNET! ~Ted Turner

by Goose on Jun 22, 2007 3:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

Let the fans give him a standing ovation.
That's what he should get, and that's what he deserves.

But a 15-minute pregame ceremony? Really?

by Jeff Sullivan on Jun 22, 2007 3:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

Why Not?
He was the best player in franchise history, and a big reason we still have a team.  I think to NOT do something before the game would be insulting to the fans.  

by ryanb on Jun 22, 2007 3:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

Insulting?!
I've been to enough games to say with some degree of certainty that if there was no ceremony before this game, I don't think the fans would think that much of it nor would it stop them from going nuts during Junior's ABs.

by Gomez on Jun 22, 2007 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Been to plenty of games myself.
And I'm pretty sure that my friends and I would find it odd if they just started the game.  Maybe insulting is the wrong word, but how about just "let down"

by ryanb on Jun 22, 2007 4:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

It just seems over the top.
Who else does this? I mean, I don't recall Boston throwing a huge party when Pedro came back with the Mets.

by Jeff Sullivan on Jun 22, 2007 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

Boston has a rich baseball history
Seattle does not.  I think that might have something to do with it.

by The Beer Baron on Jun 22, 2007 3:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

Exactly.
I know it's been said enough times already, but there would be no Seattle Mariners without Ken Griffey, Jr. I don't think there is another city/team in MLB that has been affected so dramatically by one star.

by sammy on Jun 22, 2007 4:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm not sure Pedro's a fair comparison.
I can't really think of one actually.  

by ryanb on Jun 22, 2007 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

No, it's not.
Boston was Pedro's third team.  Boston never threatened to move to another city.  And Pedro hadn't been gone for 8 years.  

by ryanb on Jun 22, 2007 4:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

The impact was different
but the meaning of each player to each city's fan base is, to me, roughly equivalent.

by Jeff Sullivan on Jun 22, 2007 4:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

No, it's not.
Boston had Williams, Yaz, and a rich history of baseball moments that's rivaled by few other sports teams. Sure, Pedro meant the world to Sox fans, but had he never come along, Fenway would still be a hallowed ballpark and Sox fans would have still had fanatical loyalty to the team.

Before Griffey in Seattle, there was no one. Steve Largent was the only other athlete who could begin to compare to what Griffey brought to the city. Every kid in my elementary school class wanted one and only one kind of candy: the Ken Griffey Jr. Chocolate Bar. This is not hyperbole.

by sammy on Jun 22, 2007 4:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

Of course you can't
Because teams don't do this sort of thing.

by Gomez on Jun 22, 2007 4:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

baseball-reference.com, says
Sammy Sosa (902)
Gary Sheffield (877)
Mickey Mantle (869) *
Mike Schmidt (866) *
Jeff Bagwell (834)
Fred McGriff (830)
Willie Stargell (829) *
Frank Thomas (822)
Eddie Mathews (819) *
Reggie Jackson (815) *

by InSpokane on Jun 22, 2007 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

Huh?
I meant, is there a comparable player who meant what Griffey did to Seattle, left town for an extended period, and then came back while still playing?

by ryanb on Jun 22, 2007 4:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Is there a comparable organization
that would do such a thing?

Also, let's make this clear one more time: Griffey was one of Seattle greatest players, but you're inferring that Griffey singlehandedly kept baseball in Seattle, and that isn't even close to being true.

by Gomez on Jun 22, 2007 4:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

Never said singlehandedly
But yes, he played a huge part.  And a pre-game ceremony is certainly appropriate

by ryanb on Jun 22, 2007 4:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

questions
Did Frank Thomas get the hip when he went back to Chi-town

Slamm'n Sammy? whne he went back to Texas.

I'm with Goose. I've not been a fan this long, but this is little over out of control

by InSpokane on Jun 22, 2007 4:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

No, It's not.
Look, no one would be complaining if this was Griffey's retirement celebration.  But we never got that chance, and we might not get it after this.  And comparing it to Sosa coming back to TEXAS? really?  

by ryanb on Jun 22, 2007 4:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think it would be different if he was retiring.
Didn't we do something for Cal Ripken when he came through town his last year?

I think it's different because he's still playing.

"The Dude. Takin' 'er easy for all us sinners."

by Thingray on Jun 22, 2007 4:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

So we invite him back for a ceremony after
he retires. If he declines, then he declines...
"The Dude. Takin' 'er easy for all us sinners."

by Thingray on Jun 22, 2007 4:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

It's been 7 years.
Since he was last here. It woulda been weird if we had done it two years after the trade, but I think the gap in time makes it allowable.

by sammy on Jun 22, 2007 4:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

Pedro was probably more valuable to Boston
during his tenure there than Griffey was to Seattle. He put up what is arguably the most dominant 5 year period in the history of the game. Griffey was really good, but he wasn't far and away above his peers like Pedro was.
Protect the enviroment, or I'll FUCKING KILL YOU! CAPTAAAAAIIIINNNN PLANNNNET! ~Ted Turner

by Goose on Jun 22, 2007 4:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think the problem is just the hype
When Olerud came back with the Yankees in 2004 after being DFAed, the announcer inadvertantly said "now batting, first baseman John Ooooooooolerud," and the entire stadium stood up for a two-minute spontaneous standing ovation before his first at-bat.  Nobody made a big deal about it before or after, but THAT seemed like a really poignant way for fans to let the guy know that he was really appreciated here.

I didn't live here in the 90's, but I've been to 15 Mariners games this year already and have had the Griffey stuff shoved at me every time I go in the stadium.  So in some ways, I think the hype over the series actually makes it less special, even if the fans show up en masse to cheer for him, just because it's almost like things can't possibly live up to expectations at this point.

by Deanna on Jun 22, 2007 4:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

It's less special because the fans are being
"told" to cheer. When it's spontaneous it's so much better.
"The Dude. Takin' 'er easy for all us sinners."

by Thingray on Jun 22, 2007 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

There's no way the Griffey's return
to Seattle after nearly a decade was going to elicit a "spontaneous" response.

by sammy on Jun 22, 2007 4:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Then why should we have a huge
pre-game ceremony, if none of the fans feel all that strongly about it?
"The Dude. Takin' 'er easy for all us sinners."

by Thingray on Jun 22, 2007 4:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm not getting across.
I mean, there was no way in hell this thing was gonna pass us by without a hundred articles written about how the Mariner's Jesus has finally returned. I honestly think the ceremony reflects a lot of Seattle-ites' desire to show their appreciation.

by sammy on Jun 22, 2007 4:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

That makes sense.
I don't actually think it's horrible that they are doing this, I just don't think it's really necessary, and it feels "forced".

Plus I'm already sick of hearing about it. I'll be glad once the pomp and circumstance is done, and I just get to watch him play.  

But to be honest, if we are up a run in the 9th, I'm still rooting for JJ to strike him out on three straight pitches.

"The Dude. Takin' 'er easy for all us sinners."

by Thingray on Jun 22, 2007 4:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

What
Do you live in Seattle?

by Gomez on Jun 22, 2007 4:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Not anymore, but I grew up there in there
until I left in the early part of this decade.

by sammy on Jun 22, 2007 4:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

Uh huh
Well, I live here, go to a lot of games, read and watch the local media each day, and most of the fanbase absolutely loves Griffey, loved him last year and the year before, and half of them want him back.  This fanbase gives Cammy an ovation every time he comes back.  So your assessment that they wouldn't spontaneously cheer Griffey's return is probably wrong.

by Gomez on Jun 22, 2007 4:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

uh.
more miscommunication. Please read my response to Thingray above.

by sammy on Jun 22, 2007 4:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

The articles are fine.
The fans getting excited are fine.  Advertising the series on TV and everywhere is totally fine.  But to say a ceremony was thus absolutely necessary?  Uh, not really.  Nothing will fall apart if there's no pregame ceremony for Junior.

To ignore Jose Lopez's at bats because FSN's telling Dave Sims over his headset to talk about Griffey moments?  Also not fine.

by Gomez on Jun 22, 2007 4:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh,
I don't think I'd ever said the ceremony was "absolutely necessary." Just that I understood where it, and all the media love/hype is coming from. The response/hype/celebration all jives with my own emotional response to seeing Griffey back in Seattle.

by sammy on Jun 22, 2007 4:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

It's one pregame event dude.
I mean, what would like to see, a button give-away?  How many first ballot hall of famers did the M's have?  And if Griffey can't let himself really appreciate it yet, that's ok, because this also for the fans.  

by ryanb on Jun 22, 2007 3:29 PM PDT reply actions  

Hi, Randy. Hi, Ichiro.
Griffey is not the only great player this org's ever had.

by Gomez on Jun 22, 2007 3:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

And as much as I hate to say it, A-Rod.
"The Dude. Takin' 'er easy for all us sinners."

by Thingray on Jun 22, 2007 3:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh yeah, huh?
I actually didn't mean to exclude him.  A-Rod too.

by Gomez on Jun 22, 2007 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Don't forget
the immortal Brian Turang!

by G4Real on Jun 22, 2007 3:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

Do you think Ichiro is a first ballot
HOF already?  I'm not disagreeing, because I think he'll end up in the HOF, I just wonder if you think he'd get in if he retired today.
"The Dude. Takin' 'er easy for all us sinners."

by Thingray on Jun 22, 2007 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Among other guys who would be eligible
and given his marvelous seasons, plus his past history with NPB, I'd say he's an easy in.

by Gomez on Jun 22, 2007 3:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

I just wonder sometimes,
because he doesn't have the "magic numbers" (3,000 hits, etc..    Yet.) in MLB itself that so many people look at.
"The Dude. Takin' 'er easy for all us sinners."

by Thingray on Jun 22, 2007 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

There are a lot of guys in the hall
who don't have those numbers.  I think the magic numbers come into play when a guy's a moer borderline case, i.e. there aren't really any standout career accomplishments other than a bunch of great seasons.

Ichiro walked in the door, with a lot of pressure being the 1st Japanese position player in MLB, and hit .350, got 200 hits a year every year, then set the hits record, then continued getting hits.  If you wanted to judge him independent of his NPB career and trailblazer status, then yeah, his case is doubtful.  But considering he opened the floodgates for Matsui, Iguchi and other position players from NPB, as well as his big hitting seasons, then yeah, I'd say he's an easy in even if he stopped playing today.

by Gomez on Jun 22, 2007 4:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

The more I think about it, the more I think
you're right.
"The Dude. Takin' 'er easy for all us sinners."

by Thingray on Jun 22, 2007 4:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

Totally Agree
But no one has had a bigger impact on baseball in Seattle than Jr.  I just think a lot of people are pretty excited for this, and I don't get the backlash.  If I had a ticket, I'd sure as hell want to get there early tonight.  

by ryanb on Jun 22, 2007 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

The backlash
is not with Junior, it's with the incessant hype from the media, from FSN, from the org itself.

by Gomez on Jun 22, 2007 3:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

Most of the backlash here
is against FSN for driving it down our throats. I think the celebration is unnecessary, but I don't have a big problem with it in and of itself. I'm just beyond sick of hearing about it, and can't wait for it to be over.

by Jeff Sullivan on Jun 22, 2007 3:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

"For adult eyes only!"
I'd get pretty pissed anytime someone was "driving it down my throat" personally!

And that's what she said too....

"The Dude. Takin' 'er easy for all us sinners."

by Thingray on Jun 22, 2007 3:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Stop the fighting, please!
Top 5 Greatest Players ever: 1. Josh Gibson 2. Cool Papa Bell 3. Babe Ruth 4. Matty 5. Ty Cobb

by Coach Owens on Jun 22, 2007 3:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

And speaking of celebrating the past
ChiSox threw the old gas can onto the fire this afternoon with a very special Thornton appearance.

by DCMariner on Jun 22, 2007 3:35 PM PDT reply actions  

Even Caple thinks it's redicolous
"The Mariners are welcoming home Junior with a special ceremony before the start of Friday's game, which is a little odd considering they are honoring a player who pretty much insisted on being traded away from Seattle. This is the second ceremony the Mariners have held this season for a player who no longer plays for them (retired Edgar Martinez was the other), which is usually a sign of a team that has lost way too many games in recent years."
Protect the enviroment, or I'll FUCKING KILL YOU! CAPTAAAAAIIIINNNN PLANNNNET! ~Ted Turner

by Goose on Jun 22, 2007 3:38 PM PDT reply actions  

Desperation is a stinky cologne
What's next? FSN Smell-o-vision? I'm sure the closeup shots of rover would be delightful.

by DCMariner on Jun 22, 2007 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

We already knew the media would say that.
I'm just suprised it's coming from the people too.  

by ryanb on Jun 22, 2007 3:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

One last thing...
We have one the most beautiful stadiums in the league now.  I know many fans who are really happy to be able to say "thanks" in a special way.  

by ryanb on Jun 22, 2007 3:39 PM PDT reply actions  

Yeah
Because Randy, Buhner, Edgar, A-Rod, Cammy, Lou, King County, Slate Gorton, Nintendo and the City of Seattle et al had absolutely nothing to don with it being built.  Safeco Field exists solely because of Ken Griffey Jr.

Stop it.  Seriously.

by Gomez on Jun 22, 2007 3:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

Do you really believe that?
That any of those people were as important to this organization as Griffey?

by ryanb on Jun 22, 2007 3:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

You seriously believe
that Griffey is more important to the org than all those people?

Why didn't it all fall apart after he left?  Oh, right.

by Gomez on Jun 22, 2007 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

Griffey WAS the organization
in the early to mid 90s.  He was the face of the team and, yes, probably the major reason why the M's are still in Seattle.

by The Beer Baron on Jun 22, 2007 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

I was a bigger fan of Buhner,
but you're right. He WAS the M's as far as most of the nation was concerned.

Of course, I grew up pretending to be Spike Owen and Alvin Davis, so....

"The Dude. Takin' 'er easy for all us sinners."

by Thingray on Jun 22, 2007 3:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

Still, he does have a point.
Possibly, if it wasn't for Griffey's play back in '95, the owner who's name I forgot might have moved them to California.
Top 5 Greatest Players ever: 1. Josh Gibson 2. Cool Papa Bell 3. Babe Ruth 4. Matty 5. Ty Cobb

by Coach Owens on Jun 22, 2007 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

Florida.
"The Dude. Takin' 'er easy for all us sinners."

by Thingray on Jun 22, 2007 3:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

You know, I was 9/10 in '95
so my memory isn't that great of the time, but from what I remember, it specifically wasn't Griffey's play that made the '95 season. In fact, it seemed like it was Griffey's injury that sort of provided the catalyst for waking them up so to speak.

What I remember from '95 was the team, as a whole, playing well. The whole "different hero each night" sort of thing. It was just as much about Randy, Tino, Edgar, Buhner and others.

Griffey was the face of the team, no doubt, but don't forget he was absent for half the '95 season and the half he did play was poor to his standards.

by Matthew on Jun 22, 2007 3:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

Except in the playoffs
...but other than that, yep.

by JI on Jun 22, 2007 4:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

Griffey's walkoff homer off the Yanks started the
comeback. But if you wanna talk about players who were responsible for that season(excluding the playoffs), Randy Johnson and Edgar Martinez had WAY more to do with it.
Protect the enviroment, or I'll FUCKING KILL YOU! CAPTAAAAAIIIINNNN PLANNNNET! ~Ted Turner

by Goose on Jun 22, 2007 4:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

But...
Down the stretch and in the playoffs in '95 Griffey was an absolute monster.

by The Beer Baron on Jun 22, 2007 4:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

If ryanb will stop being a jerk
then I will stop as well.  Don't put the bullseye on MY back.

by Gomez on Jun 22, 2007 4:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

If so, maybe earlier more than later
if not a bit testy throughout.  But only in response to what's been a clear attempt to hijack the game thread and tell us all how we're supposed to think, which I consider generally unacceptable in any circumstance.

by Gomez on Jun 22, 2007 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

SLAP FIGHT!
"The Dude. Takin' 'er easy for all us sinners."

by Thingray on Jun 22, 2007 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

Bah.
I think a lot of us who spent our formative years watching Junior play for the M's view him in the same light as our parents and grandparents viewed Mantle and Mays.  Junior was the only thing this city had going for it in the late 80's/early90's, sports-wise.  This ceremony isn't logical but you're talking about sports fans here, right?  Jeff routinely destroys his furniture when things go bad during an M's game.  That's not logical either but we all kind of know how he feels.  So leave us to our sentimentality for the weekend, dammit.  

FSN sucks, yes.  Always has.  Don't turn their suckiness into a vendetta against those who are looking forward to welcoming Griffey back to Seattle.

by ryanhealy on Jun 22, 2007 4:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

A vendetta?
Now you're being ridiculous.

by Gomez on Jun 22, 2007 4:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

Heh.
Well, that's kind of how it feels.

FWIW, I can't remember the last time I disagreed with your perspective (except for maybe the ridiculous vegan mac n' cheese thread on Metblogs).  

by ryanhealy on Jun 22, 2007 4:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

People aren't gonna feel the way you do
and people are going to be irritated with the incessant, obnoxious media hype.

If you want us to let you be, then let us be.  Yes, we actually can co-exist.

by Gomez on Jun 22, 2007 4:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Uh.
That was kind of my whole point.

Whatev.  Go M's?

by ryanhealy on Jun 22, 2007 4:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

ryanb initially trolled the thread
to disagree with us.

So, taking you at your word, your beef is clearly misdirected.

by Gomez on Jun 22, 2007 4:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

"your beef is clearly misdirected"
I have to.   That's what she said.
"The Dude. Takin' 'er easy for all us sinners."

by Thingray on Jun 22, 2007 4:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm still laughing to be honest.
I may have to change the tagline on my posts!
"The Dude. Takin' 'er easy for all us sinners."

by Thingray on Jun 22, 2007 4:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

I wonder if there's just a disconnect here
I've been following the M's since 1992, but I never lived in Seattle, and only started being able to visually watch them every day in 2004. I know Gomez hasn't been a Mariner fan for that long. A lot of people here didn't have a chance to get the full Griffey experience. And we're disagreeing with the people who did. That seems to be the heart of it.

If that's the case, then I apologize.

by Jeff Sullivan on Jun 22, 2007 4:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

I've been a fan for a long while
I haven't lived here that long, but I've been a Mariner fan since the early 90's.  I still have an old Griffey autograph stashed somewhere and was a huge fan of the guy.

by Gomez on Jun 22, 2007 4:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

My bad.
But still, I wonder if you had to live in/around Seattle to really grasp what Griffey meant. If so, then it's just something I'll unfortunately never be able to understand.

by Jeff Sullivan on Jun 22, 2007 4:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

I started watching the M's in 94, so I had the
full Griffey experience for years. I loved the guy and still do. But that still doesn't change the fact that the media hype is insane.
Protect the enviroment, or I'll FUCKING KILL YOU! CAPTAAAAAIIIINNNN PLANNNNET! ~Ted Turner

by Goose on Jun 22, 2007 4:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

"the media hype is insane"
I think this is your main point Goose. Unfortunately, people are taking it more as "I hate Junior", and are drawing you into an argument I'm not sure you really beleive in.
"The Dude. Takin' 'er easy for all us sinners."

by Thingray on Jun 22, 2007 4:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'll agree with that,
if it stops the bickering. Like I said, I grew up watching the M's. They were my first sports team in any sport and that had EVERYTHING to do with Junior.  For a little boy growing up in Seattle, he was the only reason to watch baseball in the early 90's. That makes me irrational when it comes to Griffey, but, apparently, I'm far from the only one.

by sammy on Jun 22, 2007 4:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sure...
I bet that has something to do with it.  For the first 13 years of the M's existence it was mediocre player after losing season, ad nauseum.  When he arrived, for whatever reason, he captured everybody's imagination and got non-M's fans, even non-baseball fans, to pay attention.  My mom, for instance, had never intentionally watched a baseball game until the hype swirling around Griffey became impossible to ignore.  Watching him play (and watching me so excited about him) turned her into a baseball fan and to this day she watches every game she can.  It's stuff like that that makes me sentimental about Griffey.  There are just a ton of really good memories I have where he either played a central role or was on the periphery in some way.

by ryanhealy on Jun 22, 2007 4:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

Absolutely
I think you had to experience the difference between going to a game in 1988 (or before then) and going to a game in 1989 to fully appreciate the impact that Griffey had on the franchise.  The pre-Griffey M's were about as popular as the Seattle Storm are now.  

by G_ on Jun 22, 2007 5:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Disconnect
There will be a disconnect between those of you who are relatively new fans or didn't grow up in Seattle and those of us who have been watching the M's for over 20 years in the Seattle area.

1995 was the result of other players becoming a solid surrounding cast around Griffey. Griffey was exciting before Edgar, Buhner, Randy, Tino or Alex ever were. Ken Griffey Jr. was probably the first player in franchise history who offered the promise of making the playoffs if we could put a decent team around him. Even before the M's were good, Griffey provided a reason to watch the games.

Yes, FSN has hyped this thing like crazy. It just don't care because Ken Griffey Jr. has meant more to me than any other player in franchise history.

by etowncoug on Jun 22, 2007 5:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

My opinion has officially been swayed.
...of course, MLB.tv probably won't cover the ceremony anyway, sooooooo...

by Jeff Sullivan on Jun 22, 2007 5:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well, okay
I'm not about to give him full credit for Safeco Field, however.

I realize another item of disconnect: a lot of readers here haven't read Art Thiel's book "Out of Left Field," which gives a comprehensive look at Mariners history and coverage of the whole drama behind the possible move and who was responsible for eventually keeping the Mariners in Seattle and building Safeco Field.

I think everyone here who hasn't read it should go read it.  A lot of people believe Griffey and 1995 directly led to Safeco Field... and while a factor, it wasn't nearly the driving force behind saving the Mariners.

by Gomez on Jun 22, 2007 6:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

Didn't know about that book,
though Art Thiel? Really? The thought of reading a whole book by that man makes me want to throw up.

In any case, Griffey helping to save baseball in Seattle is only a very small piece of my fondness for the man. There's no way I'd be close to the baseball fan (or sports fan in general) I am today without Junior.

by sammy on Jun 22, 2007 6:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

whoops, not Art Thiel.
I like Art Thiel. Was thinking of LaRue.

by sammy on Jun 22, 2007 6:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, give it a read
If you like Art Thiel, you'll love 250-300 pages of him, and you'll learn volumes of stuff.

by Gomez on Jun 22, 2007 6:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well
The Pirates have a more beautiful stadium, and most of the fans there are trying to organize protests and boycotts.  Obviously, what they need is a visit from Andy Van Slyke!

by Deanna on Jun 22, 2007 3:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ehh, except
first, the Giants are in the same league so they see him all the time, and second, sometimes I feel like half the decent players in the game today used to be on the Pirates when I was in college.  

Seriously, go look at some of those mid-90's Pirates rosters and you'll be shocked by some of the guys you never knew played there (like, for example, some young hotshot named Jose Guillen... and when I was in college our top pitchers were Loaiza, Lieber, and Schmidt... and hey, that Arroyo kid who's pitching on Sunday started out there too)

by Deanna on Jun 22, 2007 3:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

Edgar Martinez and Randy Johnson
had more to do with 1995 than Ken Griffey Jr.

by JI on Jun 22, 2007 3:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

Thanks, Griffey!
Because of your smooth left-handed swing and immediate departure, this stadium's going to fuck our offense sideways for decades.

by Jeff Sullivan on Jun 22, 2007 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

A+ on that one Jeff!
"The Dude. Takin' 'er easy for all us sinners."

by Thingray on Jun 22, 2007 4:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

Cammy? How so?
"The Dude. Takin' 'er easy for all us sinners."

by Thingray on Jun 22, 2007 3:43 PM PDT reply actions  

Man o man.
I really love y'all's work, but I sure hope you let yourselves enjoy this tonight.  It really is special.  

by ryanb on Jun 22, 2007 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

His incredible range!
Okay, not really, but my point is that the Mariners' winning years and the new stadium were a team product.

Remember also that the Mariners had Griffey since the early 90's and they sure didn't win anything or draw a ton of fans with just him alone.  Oh, he was a spectacular player, but one spectacular player does not an orgnization make.

by Gomez on Jun 22, 2007 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

Agree to disagree I guess...
Like I said, even if you think it's over the top, a ton of us don't, and are really looking forward to it.  

by ryanb on Jun 22, 2007 3:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

Jesus Fucking Christ,
gomez, seriously, read back over all your comments in this thread and tell me who's being bitchy.

by sammy on Jun 22, 2007 4:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

Who started new nested thread after new nested
thread, insisting on being obnoxious about his perspective on this and acting like we had no right to feel the way we do?

It wasn't me.

If you're gonna be a douche, be an objective douche.  How do you think people are gonna react to how ryan conducted himself?  Don't judge my reaction in a vacuum.

by Gomez on Jun 22, 2007 4:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

Are you serious?
You throw out that this amounts to a giant public blowjob and then call people who disagree a douche? Wow.  

by ryanb on Jun 22, 2007 4:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

I see you're point.
I was just confused by Cammy being in there, since he came over after Safeco was built.

Cammy is featured in a ton of great Safeco memories that I have though.

"The Dude. Takin' 'er easy for all us sinners."

by Thingray on Jun 22, 2007 3:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm an idiot, that should be:
"I see your point", not "I see you are point"...  My brain is already thinking about a cold one as soon as I can escape the office.
"The Dude. Takin' 'er easy for all us sinners."

by Thingray on Jun 22, 2007 3:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

What the heck is the thing on the right?!?
"The Dude. Takin' 'er easy for all us sinners."

by Thingray on Jun 22, 2007 3:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

I, uh, think it's a, ummmm
Pokemon.
Top 5 Greatest Players ever: 1. Josh Gibson 2. Cool Papa Bell 3. Babe Ruth 4. Matty 5. Ty Cobb

by Coach Owens on Jun 22, 2007 3:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

Looks like a certain body part
with arms and legs or something....
"The Dude. Takin' 'er easy for all us sinners."

by Thingray on Jun 22, 2007 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wow.
I thought I was the biggest closet Griffey fan boy homer.  

Nope.  

"But when you throw the other ones a foot and a half out of the strike zone, they don't give you those." --Brandon Morrow

by PositivePaul on Jun 22, 2007 4:10 PM PDT reply actions  

Just a thought
This could be totally wrong and even if it did have something to do with it it's probably only part of the reason but...

Everybody's seen the mixed reactions when A-Rod and Randy returned(not so mixed in A-Rod's case).  Griffey himself said he was worried about getting booed because of this.  I wonder if all the hype and ceremony is to make it basically impossible for anyone to boo him.  Also, by having a ceremony and reminding everyone what he meant to the team, hopefully they won't boo him.

I don't think all of this is necessary and I don't think Junior wants it, but I think he deserves this more than being booed.

by Fuckmikereilly on Jun 22, 2007 4:13 PM PDT reply actions  

Given public sentiment
which before all this was WAY more positive for Griffey than it was for Unit and A-Rod (one need only look at the countless letteyrs and such to the org asking about trading to get Griffey back), I don't think Griffey ever had anything to worry about.  I mean, does Mike Cameron ever get booed?

Your theory makes sense... and I don't believe it was necessary.

by Gomez on Jun 22, 2007 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

About the Griffey hype
It's a Friday game, primetime television, with a beloved hero returning for the first time in 7 years.

FSN may be overdoing it, but they're just selling a product.  It may be annoying, but they're just doing what they do.  It's not all the time that you get a "story" like this handed to you.  You gotta milk it for all it's worth.  I think they're also hoping on some national attention for this.

As bad as the overhype has been, the overreacting backlash is just as ridiculous.  Get over it, guys.  It's one night, it's one pregame ceremony, people will laugh and cry and it'll be over with and we wont have to deal with it.

"Regression" is fat people speak for "don't touch my fucking cake, asshole."

by TIF @ Lookout Landing on Jun 22, 2007 4:20 PM PDT reply actions  

Overreacting?
People said they were tired of it.  And then we got attacked for saying it.  Yeah, looking at our reactions in a vacuum, it can be construed as overreacting.  And that wouldn't be fair at all.

by Gomez on Jun 22, 2007 4:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

But that's not really true is it?
You said it was a public blowjob.  Not that you personally were tired of it.  

by ryanb on Jun 22, 2007 4:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Which it is
whether or not you agree it's appropriate.

by Gomez on Jun 22, 2007 4:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Look,
By saying that the whole ceremony is a "public blowjob," the implication that anyone who agrees with the ceremony or even celebrates Griffey's return is doing the sucking. I realize that's probably not what you intended, but I can see why ryanb and others would get defensive after that comment.

by sammy on Jun 22, 2007 4:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sure, I suppose
But that's no justification for hijacking and trolling a game thread.

by Gomez on Jun 22, 2007 4:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't get it?
How am I hijacking and controlling anything?  I thought we were having a lively discussion that you were participating in?  At least until the douche comment.  

by ryanb on Jun 22, 2007 4:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

Um..., scroll up
You know how to use the Reply To This button.  Why did you start new thread after thread?

by Gomez on Jun 22, 2007 4:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

Does anybody have video for the South Park
episode where they're trying to choose a new mascot for the school? The choices are a giant douche or...   What was it?
"The Dude. Takin' 'er easy for all us sinners."

by Thingray on Jun 22, 2007 4:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

turd sandwich
vote or die motherfucker, vote or die...
bounce them titties when you vote, bitch...

by thenatural on Jun 22, 2007 6:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

This isn't trolling.
Here's what I think it comes down to:
  1. Lots of people love Griffey
  2. Many think that a pregame ceremony is a bit too much
  3. Many disagree, and are feeling pretty emotional about the return of a hero
It seems silly for #2 to criticize #3, since #2 couldn't really care either way, and #3 has obviously been looking forward to this for a while. If people want to make a big deal out of Griffey's return, that's awesome, and I hope everyone enjoys it.

I just can't wait until FSN shuts up.

by Jeff Sullivan on Jun 22, 2007 4:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

Man, I'm sorry guys.
I just wanted to chime in on how big this is for a lot of us who grew up going to games in the King Dome.  Never meant to irritate, just to defend the team.  Sorry Gomez for not hitting "reply" a couple times, but I don't see where the animosity is coming from.  

by ryanb on Jun 22, 2007 4:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

It's good to get both sides.
I may think the ceremony is over the top, but I'm really interested in hearing how much Griffey meant to some people. It's an experience I've never had with an athlete.

by Jeff Sullivan on Jun 22, 2007 4:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

Man
You should have been a left-handed kid growing up in Pennsylvania.  I still find it amusing that Jamie Moyer and I both had Steve Carlton as a childhood hero.  :)

by Deanna on Jun 22, 2007 5:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

Certainly
And I don't mean anything personal by it, of course.  The coverage is obnoxious, and once you add in someone being obnoxious about how you shouldn't find it obnoxious, well... it all goes to hell.

by Gomez on Jun 22, 2007 4:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ok
I'll try not to start new threads, and we will agree to my status as a non-douche.  Agreed?

by ryanb on Jun 22, 2007 4:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

We're all douchebags.
What kind of moron subjects himself to the Mariner rollercoaster on purpose?

by Jeff Sullivan on Jun 22, 2007 5:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

Makes me think of the old SNL douchebag skit!
"The Dude. Takin' 'er easy for all us sinners."

by Thingray on Jun 22, 2007 5:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

You can start new threads, man
Just don't argue a point and then jump to thread after thread while you're doing it.

It was just obnoxious, was all.  I don't hate you or anything.

by Gomez on Jun 22, 2007 5:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

Honestly didn't mean to.
Hit the wrong button I guess.  Really.  

by ryanb on Jun 22, 2007 5:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

Jeez man, don't get personal.
I'm sorry that you felt like I "trolled" your thread by disagreeing that tonight was indeed a meaningul event.  No need to personally attack though.  I thought I could have my opinion too.  

by ryanb on Jun 22, 2007 4:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

You spammed the thread with your opinion
Sure, have your opinion, and that's fine.  It's clear many many others share your opinion and that's fine.  Don't start new nested thread after thread after thread and be completely obnoxious about it.  Let everyone have their opinion.

by Gomez on Jun 22, 2007 4:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

No one got obnoxious until you did.
But fine, I'll ignore things I disagree with you on from now on.  

by ryanb on Jun 22, 2007 4:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

You're missing a key point
You started the following brand new threads after discussion was well underway on the exact same topic.

http://www.lookoutlanding.com/comments/2007/6/22/171939/114/22#22
http://www.lookoutlanding.com/comments/2007/6/22/171939/114/30#30
http://www.lookoutlanding.com/comments/2007/6/22/171939/114/48#48

That's trollish, especially when you're fully aware of how to reply to threads, and not very conducive to amicable discussion.

by Gomez on Jun 22, 2007 4:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, accidents on the new threads.
But maybe we have different ideas about what is amicable.  

by ryanb on Jun 22, 2007 4:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

How could you get tired of a public.......
Oh, never mind.
"The Dude. Takin' 'er easy for all us sinners."

by Thingray on Jun 22, 2007 4:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

In Non-Griffey related news
Cha Seung Baek to the 15-Day DL and Ryan Rowland-Smith called up.

by MfaninAlaska on Jun 22, 2007 4:26 PM PDT reply actions  

DL?
What, another case of fake "tendinitis" for an M's pitcher?
"The Dude. Takin' 'er easy for all us sinners."

by Thingray on Jun 22, 2007 4:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

This one
is called inflammation of the right shoulder.

by MfaninAlaska on Jun 22, 2007 4:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wow
That would explain Baek's removal from the rotation, then.

Man, I hope this is a quick R&R outage and not a bigger problem.

by Gomez on Jun 22, 2007 4:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

Cha Cha
seems to have this at least once or twice a year .... he was always going on the DL for a couple of weeks during his minor league career... so it doesn't surprise me alot.

by MfaninAlaska on Jun 22, 2007 4:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

Heh.
Color me skeptical about the validity of this injury, but whatever works.

by Jeff Sullivan on Jun 22, 2007 4:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Same here.
"The Dude. Takin' 'er easy for all us sinners."

by Thingray on Jun 22, 2007 4:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Normally
I would agree with the skepticism.... but I can't really see why you would DL him for 15-days when he could probably be valuable in long relief with the propensity for this team to have its starters bomb early.  

by MfaninAlaska on Jun 22, 2007 4:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Not sure.
Maybe Baek just has an aversion to pitching out of the bullpen. But reading all the quotes from Hargrove and the like after the Feierabend switch, I didn't see any indication at all that Baek was hurt.

My best guess is that they don't need him in the bullpen with Green coming back (from a family emergency), but they want him to keep getting an ML paycheck while they sort a few other roster issues out. It's not like he won't be throwing during his 15 days; he just won't be doing it in games.

by Jeff Sullivan on Jun 22, 2007 4:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

Why not just
send him back down to Tacoma where he can continue pitching competitively and working on ironing things out against actual hitters.  Plus, if someone does get seriously hurt and an immediate starter replacement is needed there is no one left on the 40-man to come up... sending him down would allow him to come back up right away in that scenario.

Seems risky to DL him for no reason guarantee'ing you can't use him for 15 days.... with Weaver and Ramirez I can understand it a bit, since they both started with the club, Weaver couldn't be optioned, and Ramirez was one of Bavasi's big off-season acquisitions.  Baek started at Tacoma so I don't see where it'd be a big deal to just send him down there again until he's needed again.

by MfaninAlaska on Jun 22, 2007 4:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

DL stint's retroactive to June 17th
and the Mariners have a day off next week, so they can reshuffle their rotation in the event of an injury if they need to.

I think it really is just a money thing. In AAA, Baek doesn't get very much. On the DL, he keeps getting a big league paycheck. It's one of those little ways that Bavasi keeps his players happy.

by Jeff Sullivan on Jun 22, 2007 5:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

I thought
that once you were on the 40-man roster that you made at least the major league minimum because that's how team salary is calculated....

by MfaninAlaska on Jun 22, 2007 5:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't think that's how it works.
I think guys on the 40-man have a way lower minimum than guys on the 25-man. But I've been wrong before.

by Jeff Sullivan on Jun 22, 2007 5:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

40 man salary rules.
And those like Baek who ended up on the DL.

Minor leaguers on the 40 man roster for at least 1 year and are into their 2nd year or who have had at least 1 day of major league service is 54,500 (2006).

Major league min is 327,000 (2006).

So, yes, Bavasi is doing Baek a huge favor.

by Ben in Va on Jun 22, 2007 5:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

OK,
So when does MLB HQ come out and start looking the M's for their "use" of the DL?

Does it matter?

Go Fo Broke!

by eknpdx on Jun 22, 2007 4:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

I used to have over a hundred Griffey BB cards
He was the best.  Then he left, and I'll never forgive him.  I'm glad that he never lived up to his potential, and glad the Cincinatti has sucked for him.  He deserves it all.  

I am passionately irrational about this, as you can tell.

by Manzanillos Cup on Jun 22, 2007 4:33 PM PDT reply actions  

I felt exactly the same way when he left
But for some reason now I can forgive him.  Maybe because karma has repaid him with the injuries.  I dunno.

With all the hype about his return I've been reminiscing about the player I grew up idolizing, not the asshole who forced a trade.

by The Beer Baron on Jun 22, 2007 4:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

Whatever. I hope he does well, but the whole thing
is too much. I'm not watching this game  because I have other things to do. I might catch one of the weekend games.

Meh.

Protect the enviroment, or I'll FUCKING KILL YOU! CAPTAAAAAIIIINNNN PLANNNNET! ~Ted Turner

by Goose on Jun 22, 2007 4:40 PM PDT reply actions  

Jeff
Can we have a do over on the game thread?

by InSpokane on Jun 22, 2007 4:46 PM PDT reply actions  

Only Griffey could cause this much debate
among Mariner fans.  In an attempt to end the bickering and give everyone an easy target to attack...

M's get:
Griffey Jr.
cash

Reds get:
Balentien
Feierabend
low-A spect

by Fuckmikereilly on Jun 22, 2007 4:50 PM PDT reply actions  

um, no thanks.
I'll always be grateful for what he gave me and the city, but I wouldn't want him back.

by sammy on Jun 22, 2007 4:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yep
Definitely kidding.  We need to get rid of an OFer/DH, and when we do, Adam Jones sure as hell better be coming up to take his spot.

by Fuckmikereilly on Jun 22, 2007 4:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

NO
There will be no talk of trading Ryan Feierabend or I will be forced to strangle people with a pair of high socks.

by Deanna on Jun 22, 2007 5:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

Joel returns to Safeco next week
retire his number?

im excited.

Broussard for 1st! Seriously, stop sucking Richie.

by MFAN on Jun 22, 2007 4:54 PM PDT reply actions  

Help me out,
what is that from?  Makes me think of Die Hard.
"The Dude. Takin' 'er easy for all us sinners."

by Thingray on Jun 22, 2007 5:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

It reminds me of the scene
where that one jack-ass, brown-nosing salesman is in the office trying to negotiate with the terrorists right before they kill him.

Oh, and..   FUCK YOU TOO! Am I right?   :)

"The Dude. Takin' 'er easy for all us sinners."

by Thingray on Jun 22, 2007 5:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Don't you hate that?
Its like when me and my roomate used to talk about Jorts and then they had to make a fucking "Real men of Genius" commercial about it.  

by ryanb on Jun 22, 2007 5:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

FUCK ME?
FUCK YOOOOOU!

(one of my favorite scenes from Rounders, where Mike McD is owning the guys in the kitchen of the Greek restaurant.  The best is when they show Rounders on TNT or USA or whatever, and "fuck" becomes "forget".)

by patsfan on Jun 22, 2007 5:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

I could rant on this ALL day...
But Ill make it short.  I for one will be booing Griffey.  Ill never forgive him for the way he "hamstrung"(Yes, pun intended) the Mariners franchise and killed any better deal they could have made with the Reds.  Leaving via free agency is one thing but demanding trades and whining at every chance is a whole other ballgame.  FUCK YOU GRIFFEY, I HOPE YOUR LEG FALLS OFF!!!
Its like the luck of the Irish, only Im not Irish so you figure it out.

by RED29 on Jun 22, 2007 5:07 PM PDT reply actions  

I bet you're not the only one, either.
I honestly have no idea what the stadium's going to sound like tonight. It's going to be loud, but I don't know what kind of loud.

by Jeff Sullivan on Jun 22, 2007 5:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

All good.
I'll be shocked if you can hear any boos over the cheers.  Shocked.  

by ryanb on Jun 22, 2007 5:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

Red has a powerful voice.
(Some might call it a roar.)

You're probably right, though. The people who want to cheer for Griffey were probably more driven to snap up tickets than the people who want to boo him.

by Jeff Sullivan on Jun 22, 2007 5:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ill try my hardest...
but Im out in centerfield tonight so he wont be able to hear me.  God forbid I get the seats behind the dugout this weekend.  Its on like neckbones!
Its like the luck of the Irish, only Im not Irish so you figure it out.

by RED29 on Jun 22, 2007 5:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

Man, I feel ALOT better now...
Its like the luck of the Irish, only Im not Irish so you figure it out.

by RED29 on Jun 22, 2007 5:07 PM PDT reply actions  

Wow!
Tell us how you REALLY feel Red!
"The Dude. Takin' 'er easy for all us sinners."

by Thingray on Jun 22, 2007 5:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

I just had a thought...
What if MLB.tv decides to show the Cincy station's feed of the game? I'd imagine there would be a lot of upset fans (and elated ones).

by sammy on Jun 22, 2007 5:07 PM PDT reply actions  

Really?
I was under the impression that you get each team's feed at least once per series. That's how it felt to me, anyway, but I might be totally off-base.

by sammy on Jun 22, 2007 5:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

I haven't really been keeping track
but it seems to me they give the home team feed every time unless they aren't broadcasting a particular game.

by Jeff Sullivan on Jun 22, 2007 5:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'll be pissed
Just give me a couple Griffey at bats called by Niehaus and I'll be happy

by Zack on Jun 22, 2007 5:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

Rowland-Smith recalled.
This gives him another shot to be the first player to appear in a game that has a hyphenated last name, doesn't it?
"The Dude. Takin' 'er easy for all us sinners."

by Thingray on Jun 22, 2007 5:07 PM PDT reply actions  

Indeed
Though with a rested bullpen, unlikely we see him tonight.  Maybe in the next 1-2 days.

by Gomez on Jun 22, 2007 5:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

To Follow Up
On a point Jeff made way up in the thread (without it being lost in the clutter): I think it's hard for people who didn't live in Seattle during the Griffey years to understand what he meant, especially to people like me who grew up with him.  I moved to Seattle in 1989, which means that until he was traded in 2000, Mariners baseball meant Ken Griffey Jr.  WHile of course it's not true that he was solely responsible for Safeco and the team staying in Seattle, it's also wrong to diminish what he meant to the franchise, and most of all to the fanbase.  

Think of it this way: those of us who lived through the 2001 season will always cherish it in a way that might be hard to explain to a future group of M's fans who see a ridiculously lucky team that choked in the regular season.  In 2026, when they celebrate the 25th anniversary of that team, I'm sure we'll have a bunch of posts about how the ceremony before the game is ridiculously overwrought for a team that didn't even reach the World Series, but that won't change the way we feel about it.

Sure, the promotion for the ceremony has been a bit excessive, but it's only that way because so many people feel so strongly about Griffey.  For those of you who don't, I can only say that the series will be over in less than 48 hours.

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by Sportszilla on Jun 22, 2007 5:18 PM PDT reply actions  

its kinda weird
to think about LL, or even the same form of computers or internet 25 years down the road.

Lastly, i hope that the 25th anniversary wont be the highest point to celebrate from the past 25 years of the team.

by marinerschas2 on Jun 22, 2007 5:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

I agree
Griffey had a part in putting Seattle on the map.  He wasnt the only one though.  It just pisses me off when I hear people say that he was the ONLY reason Seattle still has a team.  Complete bullshit.  I think most true Mariner fans realize that so...
Its like the luck of the Irish, only Im not Irish so you figure it out.

by RED29 on Jun 22, 2007 5:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

But Jr. was the biggest part, dontcha think?
I just think if not for Griffey, we probably don't have a team.  But yes, it took many others as well.  But he was the centerpiece.  No Griffey probably means no team today.  

by ryanb on Jun 22, 2007 5:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

He was a piece
but only a piece.  Others had important roles as well.  Keeping the Mariners in Seattle was a huge team effort.

by Gomez on Jun 22, 2007 5:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

Agreed
As an example, Randy's 18-2 record was as instrumental to '95 as anything Griffey did on the field. However, I would say that Griffey was a household name across the country and had the attention of the media in a way that no other Mariner did. In an on-the-field sense he was a part of a team with a bunch of high quality players (Randy, Gar, Tino, Buhner, etc.), but in terms of being the face of the franchise locally and nationally he was a step above all of his teammates.

And I say all that as a lifetime Northwesterner and having lived in Seattle and gone to games since '91.  

by stu hamm on Jun 22, 2007 5:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

I mentioned it above
but anyone who hasn't read Art Thiel's "Out of Left Field" really needs to read it.  He covers the entire Mariners saga between the attempts to move them and the building of Safeco Field.

You'd be surprised how relatively small of a role the team itself and the fans play.

by Gomez on Jun 22, 2007 6:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yep
My dad started taking me to games in '87 and so I too grew up with him.  I know he forced the M's to trade him.  I know he was a huge prima donna.  But I love the guy.  Can't help it.  My favorite player of all time and always will be.

by Zack on Jun 22, 2007 5:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

ditto on that exactly...
'87 was my first game... I was only 2, but I grew up with Griffey as a hero, of course I loved Randy, Edgar, and Buhner(although I never shaved my head for a ticket), but Griffey was my baseball God.  Even though I moved away in '93, I never stopped beingan M's fan, and a Griffey fan.
When he fucked us, karma came back and bit him in the ass. For that reason, I've forgiven him, and am looking forward to the return.  My sister recently moved back to work for Boeing and is going to the game tonight, and I am jealous as you can possibly imagine.
So, for me, personally, I am excited about the return of the guy I absolutely idolized as a little kid.

also, I had this:

by thenatural on Jun 22, 2007 6:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

Man
Drinking during the day is so fun

Until you get home and you have to fake sober.

by Corco on Jun 22, 2007 5:28 PM PDT reply actions  

Didn't you have this same problem last week?
"The Dude. Takin' 'er easy for all us sinners."

by Thingray on Jun 22, 2007 5:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

it means he's an alcoholic
dude, you've got a disease. (guess the movie)

by marinerschas2 on Jun 22, 2007 5:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

God help me...
I am doing some work for a few days near Haverhill, Ma (just North of Boston).

If I hear one more person say "Cah" and not "Car" I will beat them to death with Griffeys' hamstring scar tissue.

by Ben in Va on Jun 22, 2007 5:49 PM PDT reply actions  

Joy.
Just push the shiny red button now.

by Ben in Va on Jun 22, 2007 5:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

Willie
More inside-the-park grittiness.

by ThundaPC on Jun 22, 2007 5:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

When are the Mariners going to welcome back
Heathcliff Slocumb?  I would cheer that guy!
Its like the luck of the Irish, only Im not Irish so you figure it out.

by RED29 on Jun 22, 2007 5:54 PM PDT reply actions  

Griffey's return
Long time lurker finally compelled to step out of the shadows because of the return of one of the greatest icons in Seattle sports history.

Griffey had a hand in saving baseball in Seattle, that is true, but for me personally, seeing the Kid smiling underneath that human pile after an improbable comeback really solidified baseball as my favorite sport.  Heck, it really solidified me as a sports junkie for life, period.  There have been awesome sports moments beyond that, of course, and I had tepidly waded into the sports scene beforehand, but without that moment I'm not sure I would have ever become the diehard M's fan that I am today.

I'm positive I'm not the only person for whom that event left a lasting impression on.  

The pre-game ceremony isn't for Griffey, it's for all of us who's sports lives were shaped in some way by what he accomplished here in the great city of Seattle.

I'm just not sure that you can find a similiar situation where a player who meant so much to a franchise returns after so long...and the way he left doesn't cancel out what he did while he was in a Mariner uniform.

We traded Paul Spoljaric?!

by Omerta on Jun 22, 2007 5:58 PM PDT reply actions  

And of course...
FSN is blacked out, so I can't watch.

I hate Comcast.

We traded Paul Spoljaric?!

by Omerta on Jun 22, 2007 6:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

Just
for me, it seems.  I'm canceling Comcast soon.
We traded Paul Spoljaric?!

by Omerta on Jun 22, 2007 7:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hmmm.
So, where's Ken Levine in all of this?  

Man, I hated listening to him, but a lot of other folks really liked him and miss him.  

Not to change the subject or anything :-)

"But when you throw the other ones a foot and a half out of the strike zone, they don't give you those." --Brandon Morrow

by PositivePaul on Jun 22, 2007 5:59 PM PDT reply actions  

Glavine gives up 1 run on 6 hits in 8 innings
to get over the hump on his way to 300... hes been stuck on 295 for a long time now, good to see him get out of the slump.

by thenatural on Jun 22, 2007 6:18 PM PDT reply actions  

I understand
it must be hell in Seattle right now with repetitive coverage.

But seriously, can we just let Griffey have his night? This whole thing was going to happen sooner or later, so either way you're stuck with it.

Theres no point in getting mad over it, because its not going to stop the coverage. Im just saying.

by Slica on Jun 22, 2007 6:21 PM PDT reply actions  

Watching the Griffey interview right now
there have been a couple moments so far where he's looked teary eyed.

by Katal LM on Jun 22, 2007 6:22 PM PDT reply actions  

I know its a touchy subject here, but...
will they be showing the ceremony on mlb.tv?
I was late to the Edgar M's HOF night, so I don't know if they show these types of events as a part of the mlb.tv broadcast

by thenatural on Jun 22, 2007 6:24 PM PDT reply actions  

Doesn't look like it.
Not live, anyway. I'm sure they'll have a link after the game's over.

by Jeff Sullivan on Jun 22, 2007 6:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Okay. It's only the press conference.
I'm checking in my man card.  Seriously.  I don't care how much it's been hyped.  I've been lookin' forward to this for a long, long time.

Whoever said there's no crying in baseball was a lying, sick, weak, bastard...

"But when you throw the other ones a foot and a half out of the strike zone, they don't give you those." --Brandon Morrow

by PositivePaul on Jun 22, 2007 6:28 PM PDT reply actions  

lol @ Griffey commercials
Griffey clones and Griffey stuffing lambs in Lou's office.  "You gotta love these guys!"

by ThundaPC on Jun 22, 2007 6:29 PM PDT reply actions  

Eff reason
I want Griffey to be a Mariner.

by Katal LM on Jun 22, 2007 6:38 PM PDT reply actions  

Including reason...
I want Griffey to be a Mariner.

Yeah.  Imagine him hitting third in this lineup.

Screw Vidro, screw Raul.  I want some real lefty sock.  

His OPS+ this year thus far?  141.  

His OPS vs. Lefties thus far? .931
His OPS vs. Righties thus far? .960

Yeah.  He'd help.  Jettison Guillen, give Griffey LF, stick Jones in RF, Raul as DH, and Vidro on the bench.  

Imagine that lineup.  Even with Griffey's sucky defense in left (would he be much worse, defensively, in LF than Raul???).  

I'd do it in a heartbeat.  And even w/this rotation, the Angels would have good reason to be afraid.

//poisoned by propoganda, he's willing to admit...

"But when you throw the other ones a foot and a half out of the strike zone, they don't give you those." --Brandon Morrow

by PositivePaul on Jun 22, 2007 6:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

Silly wishful thinking, but
maybe the M's brass will be so taken aback by Griffey's reception this weekend, that they'll seriously consider making a move for him.

Vidro (in order to even out the salary exchanged by the two teams) + a couple non-Jones prospects of the Reds' choice.

Maybe I wouldn't do that trade three weeks ago, or three weeks from now. But right now, I'm making that deal.

by Katal LM on Jun 22, 2007 6:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh hells yes.
They'd be more likely to take Guillen back than Vidro.  

But, yeah, I wouldn't be disappointed.

I could argue, too, that it'd be one way to keep Ichiro happy.  Wait.  I already DID argue that...

"But when you throw the other ones a foot and a half out of the strike zone, they don't give you those." --Brandon Morrow

by PositivePaul on Jun 22, 2007 6:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

alright
I decided not to go to dinner with my housemate and friends so that I could stay home and watch the Griffey ceremony and start of the game.

but I'm pretty glad I'm not at the stadium.  I'd just feel bad, especially taking up a seat that someone who was actually here in the 90's would deserve more.

by Deanna on Jun 22, 2007 6:48 PM PDT reply actions  

Also, crowds
Which, like the Red Sox and Yankees series crowds, would probably drive you up the wall.

by Gomez on Jun 22, 2007 6:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

One nice thing about Griffey:
KGJ Presents Major League Baseball is the greatest baseball video game ever.

by Katal LM on Jun 22, 2007 6:48 PM PDT reply actions  

that game is so awesomw
Broussard for 1st! Seriously, stop sucking Richie.

by MFAN on Jun 22, 2007 6:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

Something interesting
There is a rumor going around about Gary Payton coming back for one more year in Seattle.

"Gary has not yet made an official announcement and might be enticed for a final season with the Sonics, which also might be the team's final season in Seattle. I wouldn't go as far as to say the Heat wouldn't have won the '06 title without him, but he certainly had his playoff moments."
--
---The Sun Sentinel

Fitting on the timing.

by Slica on Jun 22, 2007 6:51 PM PDT reply actions  

I like that sign.
"Return of the King"

Indeed, yes, he's King of Mariner baseball...

"But when you throw the other ones a foot and a half out of the strike zone, they don't give you those." --Brandon Morrow

by PositivePaul on Jun 22, 2007 6:53 PM PDT reply actions  

yeah, same here
hey maybe only one guy is clapping.
Broussard for 1st! Seriously, stop sucking Richie.

by MFAN on Jun 22, 2007 6:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ideally
We win each game of the series X to 3, with all of the Reds' rus each game coming off Griffey solo shots.

by Katal LM on Jun 22, 2007 6:53 PM PDT reply actions  

Man
how awkward he must feel

by sammy on Jun 22, 2007 6:55 PM PDT reply actions  

heh
I wondered whether they'd call out some of the locals like Edgar and Bone to say hi :)

by Deanna on Jun 22, 2007 6:56 PM PDT reply actions  

Goose 'im Goose 'im!!
Oh.
"But when you throw the other ones a foot and a half out of the strike zone, they don't give you those." --Brandon Morrow

by PositivePaul on Jun 22, 2007 6:56 PM PDT reply actions  

This presentation is awkward.
For a guy who basically took a poop on his fans. A poop!

by Slozbury Stouvre on Jun 22, 2007 6:57 PM PDT reply actions  

I like my picture better.
Can I give him one, too?
"But when you throw the other ones a foot and a half out of the strike zone, they don't give you those." --Brandon Morrow

by PositivePaul on Jun 22, 2007 6:57 PM PDT reply actions  

I was shocked
that ESPN had nothing up about Jr.'s return...

...well, check out the front page.

We traded Paul Spoljaric?!

by Omerta on Jun 22, 2007 6:58 PM PDT reply actions  

Death threats?
Howard Lincoln?

Impatience?

Why would Ichiro leave???

It wasn't about the money.

"But when you throw the other ones a foot and a half out of the strike zone, they don't give you those." --Brandon Morrow

by PositivePaul on Jun 22, 2007 7:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

huh
if I'm not mistaken, the only current Mariner who actually played with Griffey is Raul...

by Deanna on Jun 22, 2007 6:59 PM PDT reply actions  

Rhodes??
or was he post- .Jr???
Broussard for 1st! Seriously, stop sucking Richie.

by MFAN on Jun 22, 2007 7:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

nope.
rhodes got here in 2000.

by Deanna on Jun 22, 2007 7:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

yeah
I wasn't sure, I thought maybe he was around in'99.
Broussard for 1st! Seriously, stop sucking Richie.

by MFAN on Jun 22, 2007 7:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

This is Boom Boom's city.
We have no part of it.

by little joey @ Lookout Landing on Jun 22, 2007 7:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

The biggest moment of the season so far
involved exactly zero people still playing for the Mariners.

by Jeff Sullivan on Jun 22, 2007 7:03 PM PDT reply actions  

I wonder what Jr thinks when...
He's checking the box score and sees...

E: Bentancourt, 16.

Or, DP: Vidro 2.

But whatevs, I read it every day and keep coming back.

by little joey @ Lookout Landing on Jun 22, 2007 7:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Why do Seattle fans cheer Jr and Randy Johnson
But boo A-Rod?
Adrian Beltre>Mike Blowers Russ Davis>Player A

by mariners11 on Jun 22, 2007 7:04 PM PDT reply actions  

I cheer A-Rod :)
girllovessports.blogspot.com

by mary on Jun 22, 2007 7:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

thats cause you are a girl
/end being a dick cause shes a girl

Because A-Rod is a tool.

by PShwa on Jun 22, 2007 7:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

bah
Well, I think A-Rod was getting big around when I started paying attention to baseball, but Jr. was slightly before my time, so there you go. I'm also a softy.
girllovessports.blogspot.com

by mary on Jun 22, 2007 7:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

they even cheered Bonds!
I guess everyone hates A-Rod.
Broussard for 1st! Seriously, stop sucking Richie.

by MFAN on Jun 22, 2007 7:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

people cheer randy johnson?
last year when there was the big Randy-Felix matchup, it actually felt like people were pretty anti-Randy, except the crazy Yankees fans, of course.

me, I'm ambivalent towards both of them, but I always liked Tino :)

by Deanna on Jun 22, 2007 7:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'll give the fans this
Junior and Unit were trailblazing performers while A-Rod kinda rode their coattails.

by Gomez on Jun 22, 2007 7:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Besides the double-talk and money whoring?
I think it has a lot to do with service time. Junior and Unit were here when we were struggling. A-Rod wasn't a part of the '95 team. We have way, way more positive memories associated with those two than we do with A-Rod.

by sammy on Jun 22, 2007 7:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

but also the double-talk and money whoring
Griffey and Randy didn't want to be here any more, for whatever reasons.  That was obvious.

But A-Rod probably didn't give a shit where he played, as long as he got the insane amount of money that he did.  He just looked like the ultimate sellout.

by Zack on Jun 22, 2007 7:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

because
A-Rod has proven himself to be one of the biggest douchebags in the game.  Johnson didn't write a letter to Boeing extolling the virtues of the greater Houston area.  Griffey didn't slap the ball out of Bronson Arroyo's hand in one of the largest displays of pussy-ness ever.

Johnson left because we traded him, Griffey left to be closer to home, A-Rod left because Texas foolishly made him the richest athlete in pro-sports.

We traded Paul Spoljaric?!

by Omerta on Jun 22, 2007 7:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think i know why
Lets see here

Griffey:Did everything you could ask for he could run he could hit and boy could he ever play center.

Randy:real slumpbuster

A-Rod:Choker and money grubbing.

Adrian Beltre>Mike Blowers Russ Davis>Player A

by mariners11 on Jun 22, 2007 7:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

What happened to Cha Baek?
Adrian Beltre>Mike Blowers Russ Davis>Player A

by mariners11 on Jun 22, 2007 7:07 PM PDT reply actions  

The Mariners
are too lazy to send him to Triple A.

by Slica on Jun 22, 2007 7:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

Nothing.
They just pulled him from the rotation. He's fine.

by Jeff Sullivan on Jun 22, 2007 7:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

man, you know what gets me
No opportunity to go to these games and hold up silly signs making fun of Ryan Freel.  :(

by Deanna on Jun 22, 2007 7:12 PM PDT reply actions  

Yeah
I make fun of Jeff Weaver by pretending that he hallucinates a little floating Gazoo, but with Freel...

by Jeff Sullivan on Jun 22, 2007 7:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Feierabend must be thinking
"holy shit do they want me to get him out or what?"

by Jeff Sullivan on Jun 22, 2007 7:16 PM PDT reply actions  

ok i draw the line at booing your own pitchr
come on.
girllovessports.blogspot.com

by mary on Jun 22, 2007 7:17 PM PDT reply actions  

Okay
No wonder they didn't let Baek start this game.

by ThundaPC on Jun 22, 2007 7:17 PM PDT reply actions  

screw you Griffey
Go back to Seattle.
Broussard for 1st! Seriously, stop sucking Richie.

by MFAN on Jun 22, 2007 7:17 PM PDT reply actions  

Okay that's ridiculous
We're applauding the other team's success?

by Jeff Sullivan on Jun 22, 2007 7:17 PM PDT reply actions  

I was afraid of this
and it's an indictment of 'Mariner fans'.

by Gomez on Jun 22, 2007 7:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

i dont think Ive EVER heard
a pitcher get booed for holding the runner in his own park, and then get a huge cheer when he gives up a hit

by thenatural on Jun 22, 2007 7:17 PM PDT reply actions  

hahahaha Jeff Conine
Turns 41 next week.  That's awesome.

by Deanna on Jun 22, 2007 7:18 PM PDT reply actions  

Will this be the tenth year in a row
that we're allegedly on the verge of trading for him?

by Jeff Sullivan on Jun 22, 2007 7:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

huh...
booing Feierabend and cheering a Griffey single... Goddamnit Seattle, don't make me hate you.

by sammy on Jun 22, 2007 7:18 PM PDT reply actions  

Elluva pitch
Looked pretty good to me...

So did that one.  

"But when you throw the other ones a foot and a half out of the strike zone, they don't give you those." --Brandon Morrow

by PositivePaul on Jun 22, 2007 7:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

bah... What is this game...
I'm getting irritated.  Not because of the performance of the team, but because of the dumb fans and umpire.

by BeltredNOT on Jun 22, 2007 7:23 PM PDT reply actions  

This is bizarre.
Better hold Harang to the same standard.

by Jeff Sullivan on Jun 22, 2007 7:25 PM PDT reply actions  

... Huh?
Really????  Where is the strike zone???

by BeltredNOT on Jun 22, 2007 7:25 PM PDT reply actions  

Okay, I'm leaving
I need a drink.  I'm sincerely offended at our fanbase for booing our team's pitcher.

Seriously, fuck every single one of you who booed.  Your presence at this game makes me sick.

by Gomez on Jun 22, 2007 7:26 PM PDT reply actions  

That's a bit of an overreaction.
If they do it next time Griffey bats, however...

by Jeff Sullivan on Jun 22, 2007 7:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

you can't be surprised
There's a lot fewer fans at "normal" games.

Therefore, it's safe to assume that most of the crowd tonight cares more about Griffey than they do the Mariners.

That doesn't make their booing acceptable, but you can kind of see why they're doing it. They're not Mariner fans.

You suck, Ibanez.

by Katal LM on Jun 22, 2007 7:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

poll:
what's more of a novelty to you:

1. Junior back in Seattle.

-or-

2. 40K+ "fans" in Safeco.

br

by sirbrianwilson on Jun 22, 2007 7:27 PM PDT reply actions  

Not to sound uncaring
but remember when Felix faced Boston? My girlfriend had appendicitis that day.

Now I just got a phone call from her, saying that she's sick.

Lame. I'm tired of her illnesses coinciding with relatively important baseball games.

by Katal LM on Jun 22, 2007 7:29 PM PDT reply actions  

women....
can't live with 'em, can't ki.... nvm

by thenatural on Jun 22, 2007 7:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ummm
I thought the Cincinnati Reds started in 1869.

by Deanna on Jun 22, 2007 7:29 PM PDT reply actions  

That was a different franchise
The oldest franchise is the Atlanta Braves. The Braves predate MLB.

by JI on Jun 23, 2007 12:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

No, but
They said that "blah blah blah, the Reds were the first professional baseball team, in 1876".

One way or another, that statement was wrong (but in my memory I was thinking of the 1869 team).

by Deanna on Jun 23, 2007 12:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

yuck, inning should be over
screw you Mike Winters.
Broussard for 1st! Seriously, stop sucking Richie.

by MFAN on Jun 22, 2007 7:30 PM PDT reply actions  

seriously
this umpire is a douche.

inning should be over.

by PShwa on Jun 22, 2007 7:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Just when you thought the shutouts
were gonna give our bullpen a nice rest...

33 pitches so far for Ry-Fi.

by Slica on Jun 22, 2007 7:31 PM PDT reply actions  

Not Ryan's fault, totally.
When the ump forces you to throw 4 or 5 strikes for a strikeout, any pitcher's going to struggle...
"But when you throw the other ones a foot and a half out of the strike zone, they don't give you those." --Brandon Morrow

by PositivePaul on Jun 22, 2007 7:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

Adam Jones would've had that.
Hell, GRIFFEY would've had that.
"But when you throw the other ones a foot and a half out of the strike zone, they don't give you those." --Brandon Morrow

by PositivePaul on Jun 22, 2007 7:31 PM PDT reply actions  

fucking christ Raul
you are slow as shit... fuck you

by thenatural on Jun 22, 2007 7:32 PM PDT reply actions  

ballgame
Broussard for 1st! Seriously, stop sucking Richie.

by MFAN on Jun 22, 2007 7:32 PM PDT reply actions  

Seriously, fuck you, Raul.
You are absolutely worthless in the field.

by Jeff Sullivan on Jun 22, 2007 7:32 PM PDT reply actions  

Sigh
Ryan Feierabend, I still love you, even if this game is completely retarded.

by Deanna on Jun 22, 2007 7:32 PM PDT reply actions  

STOP FOULING OFF PITCHES
FOR THE LOVE OF GOD.

and Raul you suck.

Broussard for 1st! Seriously, stop sucking Richie.

by MFAN on Jun 22, 2007 7:33 PM PDT reply actions  

Which
Alex Gonzalez was that? There have been so many im getting confused.

by Slica on Jun 22, 2007 7:33 PM PDT reply actions  

the one thats a fat piece of shit
who is lucky that Raul is a slow piece of shit

by thenatural on Jun 22, 2007 7:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

4 runs
Think the M's can come back against a guy who strikes more guys out than he walks?
Adrian Beltre>Mike Blowers Russ Davis>Player A

by mariners11 on Jun 22, 2007 7:34 PM PDT reply actions  

well hopefully
the ump has the same strikezone for them... that should just about even out the K's to BB's

by thenatural on Jun 22, 2007 7:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

I hate our fans
I blame them for that inning.
Broussard for 1st! Seriously, stop sucking Richie.

by MFAN on Jun 22, 2007 7:35 PM PDT reply actions  

i wouldn't call a lot of the people there tonight
fans.  more like "fans" who want to see griffey and only watched in 95 and 01...

br

by sirbrianwilson on Jun 22, 2007 7:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

So what's this ump's strikezone look like?
Adrian Beltre>Mike Blowers Russ Davis>Player A

by mariners11 on Jun 22, 2007 7:36 PM PDT reply actions  

That's for Feirabend right?
Because it sounds like Harang couldn't throw a ball even if he tried
Adrian Beltre>Mike Blowers Russ Davis>Player A

by mariners11 on Jun 22, 2007 7:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

Man, Morneau is apparently pretty fucked up
Rushed to the hospital after his collision with Seattle's favorite ex-catcher Miguel Olive because he began coughing up blood and was complaining of chest pain. Yikes.

by Trent on Jun 22, 2007 7:36 PM PDT reply actions  

Oh my gosh
that sounds really scary.  I can't think of anything to say besides that.

by Deanna on Jun 22, 2007 7:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

I blame Sexson
for those two players, and Ibanez for that one
http://seattlesportsmaniac.blogspot.com

by LantermanC on Jun 22, 2007 7:36 PM PDT reply actions  

2 plays
not players
http://seattlesportsmaniac.blogspot.com

by LantermanC on Jun 22, 2007 7:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yea
So naturally Harang gets the strike zone.

by ThundaPC on Jun 22, 2007 7:37 PM PDT reply actions  

Fuck you Josh Hamilton
Adrian Beltre>Mike Blowers Russ Davis>Player A

by mariners11 on Jun 22, 2007 7:39 PM PDT reply actions  

bull shit.
Feir didn't get that call.

by BeltredNOT on Jun 22, 2007 7:39 PM PDT reply actions  

at this rate you could probably get
thoroughly wasted by halfway through the 2nd...

br

by sirbrianwilson on Jun 22, 2007 7:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

Here's a fan game we can play
take a drink everytime they mention Griffey's name in any non-negative way. We should all be tanked in 15 minutes

by Trent on Jun 22, 2007 7:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

Fan, fun
whatever.

I played golf this afternoon and have a head start.

by Trent on Jun 22, 2007 7:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Fuck these Umpires
Adrian Beltre>Mike Blowers Russ Davis>Player A

by mariners11 on Jun 22, 2007 7:40 PM PDT reply actions  

hahahahahahahahaha
Not even fuckin close.  What the FUCK!?

by BeltredNOT on Jun 22, 2007 7:41 PM PDT reply actions  

WHAT
dskjgdjflsdkfjdslkfjsdlkjfs

my housemate's dog just got startled and is now barking up a storm because I yelled so loudly after that call.

This game is too retarded for words.

by Deanna on Jun 22, 2007 7:41 PM PDT reply actions  

Why would these umpires wanna help the haples Reds
The M's are the ones playing for something right now
Adrian Beltre>Mike Blowers Russ Davis>Player A

by mariners11 on Jun 22, 2007 7:42 PM PDT reply actions  

ok, that inning made me hate Griffey
Broussard for 1st! Seriously, stop sucking Richie.

by MFAN on Jun 22, 2007 7:42 PM PDT reply actions  

I get home just as the game started.
Heard the fans BOO THEIR OWN FUCKING TEAM and shut it right back off.

That's disgusting. Just fucking disgusting.

Protect the enviroment, or I'll FUCKING KILL YOU! CAPTAAAAAIIIINNNN PLANNNNET! ~Ted Turner

by Goose on Jun 22, 2007 7:43 PM PDT reply actions  

Oh and cheering the opposition when it gets a hit.
Give me a break.
Protect the enviroment, or I'll FUCKING KILL YOU! CAPTAAAAAIIIINNNN PLANNNNET! ~Ted Turner

by Goose on Jun 22, 2007 7:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

All Griffey sentiments
now overwhelmed by umpire sentiments.

by Jeff Sullivan on Jun 22, 2007 7:43 PM PDT reply actions  

Those balls were borderline
And so where the ump's
Adrian Beltre>Mike Blowers Russ Davis>Player A

by mariners11 on Jun 22, 2007 7:45 PM PDT reply actions  

Worst. Game. Ever.
It should be 0-0 with the Mariners still batting in the first, but hey, thanks, Winters and Raul.

by Jeff Sullivan on Jun 22, 2007 7:46 PM PDT reply actions  

I would boo Griffey this time
And Richie should chokeslam all the umpires with one hand
Adrian Beltre>Mike Blowers Russ Davis>Player A

by mariners11 on Jun 22, 2007 7:47 PM PDT reply actions  

cool, now Ryan has to lob it down the middle
to get a strike.  Fuck you Winters.
Broussard for 1st! Seriously, stop sucking Richie.

by MFAN on Jun 22, 2007 7:47 PM PDT reply actions  

He might not be so lucky
Adrian Beltre>Mike Blowers Russ Davis>Player A

by mariners11 on Jun 22, 2007 8:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

well fuck
this game sucks
girllovessports.blogspot.com

by mary on Jun 22, 2007 7:47 PM PDT reply actions  

Man, what a joke of a game.
Umpires are blind, fans booing their own team, hitters getting robbed by Hamilton, and somehow the Red have the ability to swing an infinite amount of times and get uncatchable flyballs out of it.

by JLC on Jun 22, 2007 7:48 PM PDT reply actions  

Now it's just funny.
I can't believe I'm sitting through this pile of horseshit.

by Jeff Sullivan on Jun 22, 2007 7:48 PM PDT reply actions  

Can we start this game over
with some hobos grabbed off the street to be the Umpires?
Adrian Beltre>Mike Blowers Russ Davis>Player A

by mariners11 on Jun 22, 2007 7:48 PM PDT reply actions  

Go Hargrove!
Protect the enviroment, or I'll FUCKING KILL YOU! CAPTAAAAAIIIINNNN PLANNNNET! ~Ted Turner

by Goose on Jun 22, 2007 7:48 PM PDT reply actions  

Hahaha
Hargrove:HEY, FUCK YOU!
Protect the enviroment, or I'll FUCKING KILL YOU! CAPTAAAAAIIIINNNN PLANNNNET! ~Ted Turner

by Goose on Jun 22, 2007 7:49 PM PDT reply actions  

Is it Louesque out there?
I mean is he really getting in his face?
Adrian Beltre>Mike Blowers Russ Davis>Player A

by mariners11 on Jun 22, 2007 7:49 PM PDT reply actions  

finally
Broussard for 1st! Seriously, stop sucking Richie.

by MFAN on Jun 22, 2007 7:49 PM PDT reply actions  

These Umpires suck Junior's ass
Adrian Beltre>Mike Blowers Russ Davis>Player A

by mariners11 on Jun 22, 2007 7:49 PM PDT reply actions  

ironic cheer for the strike call
this game is ridiculous
girllovessports.blogspot.com

by mary on Jun 22, 2007 7:50 PM PDT reply actions  

New idea:
Feierabend and Johjima arrange to throw a high fastball towards Winter's face, and Johjima never stands up to block it.

by Jeff Sullivan on Jun 22, 2007 7:50 PM PDT reply actions  

Seriously, I hope the Mariners move to Portland
after this game and they take Safeco with them. These assclowns don't deserve them.
Protect the enviroment, or I'll FUCKING KILL YOU! CAPTAAAAAIIIINNNN PLANNNNET! ~Ted Turner

by Goose on Jun 22, 2007 7:50 PM PDT reply actions  

i do'nt blame grover...
i'd want to leave if i was there too...

by sirbrianwilson on Jun 22, 2007 7:50 PM PDT reply actions  

Jason Davis's facial hair
looks as awful as Jack Wilson's.

I mean that in the nicest way possible, of course.

by Deanna on Jun 22, 2007 7:50 PM PDT reply actions  

Well, at least Feierabend won't lose his spot
in the rotation. Hargrove knows he doesn't deserve this shit.

by JLC on Jun 22, 2007 7:50 PM PDT reply actions  

So...
Are those D-O-V folks still praising Betancourt as this all world talent that we can trade for Bonderman? LOL

by Trent on Jun 22, 2007 7:50 PM PDT reply actions  

BUT HE'S GONNA BE ALFONSO SORIANO!
OR MIGUEL TEJADA!
Protect the enviroment, or I'll FUCKING KILL YOU! CAPTAAAAAIIIINNNN PLANNNNET! ~Ted Turner

by Goose on Jun 22, 2007 7:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

Here's a question
Have you ever seen Angel Berroa and YuBet in the same room?

by Trent on Jun 22, 2007 7:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

FOUR WALKS
AND JASON DAVIS OFFERS LITTLE IN THE WAY OF RELIEF

by Jeff Sullivan on Jun 22, 2007 7:51 PM PDT reply actions  

I hope this gets the hitters FIRED UP
But would'nt bet on it
Adrian Beltre>Mike Blowers Russ Davis>Player A

by mariners11 on Jun 22, 2007 7:51 PM PDT reply actions  

See
NOW it makes sense to boo, you gloryhog assclowns.

by Jeff Sullivan on Jun 22, 2007 7:51 PM PDT reply actions  

I meant the Mariner hitters
Adrian Beltre>Mike Blowers Russ Davis>Player A

by mariners11 on Jun 22, 2007 7:52 PM PDT reply actions  

Only words Safeco fans know:
  1. "Boo!"
  2. "Willie Bloomquist is a good baseball player."
(This holds true for all fans except Red, because he's awesome.)

by JLC on Jun 22, 2007 7:52 PM PDT reply actions  

errr
there are plenty of people who go to games at Safeco that are plenty intelligent about the team.

I just don't think any of them are at the stadium tonight.

Last September my housemate's girlfriend actually was telling the others in our group about crazy Lou Piniella... which would have been absolutely fine if not for the fact that she also thought he was the current manager.  I almost felt bad when I had to inform her that Edgar retired several years ago.

by Deanna on Jun 22, 2007 7:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

For the few fans that are intelligent
I aplogize. But I figure they've either given up on this team already or are posting on LL or USSM right now.

by JLC on Jun 22, 2007 8:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

This ump better be careful with the next guy
Jose Guillen isn't a guy you wanna screw with
Adrian Beltre>Mike Blowers Russ Davis>Player A

by mariners11 on Jun 22, 2007 7:54 PM PDT reply actions  

This booing...
...really is disgraceful. I guess we remember the faces of the gimps in the expensive seats because if we ever make it to an October, they'll be the ones out-bidding us for tickets.

Poor Fiereband. Doesn't deserve this.

Oh, and Fuck the Umps and their elastic strikezone.

I wish this event were tonight. When is it? February. Then why are you wearing a tux? It's after 6 - what am I, a Farmer?

by IrishMariner on Jun 22, 2007 7:55 PM PDT reply actions  

Sit down you Griffey ball-licking morons.
I hate everything about the Mariners except a few of their players.

by JLC on Jun 22, 2007 7:55 PM PDT reply actions  

I thought the booing was for the umpires, mainly..
that's who I'm yelling at, any way.
girllovessports.blogspot.com

by mary on Jun 22, 2007 7:56 PM PDT reply actions  

Blowers gets it.
They DO have different strike zones.

by Jeff Sullivan on Jun 22, 2007 7:56 PM PDT reply actions  

LOL
Harang has a strike zone the size of a Buick. This ump must be a Griffey fan too

by Trent on Jun 22, 2007 7:56 PM PDT reply actions  

Looks like this Ump' still a Reds fan
Adrian Beltre>Mike Blowers Russ Davis>Player A

by mariners11 on Jun 22, 2007 7:56 PM PDT reply actions  

Second inning
Dave and Blowers already criticizing the umps.

This is obscene. Better umps and a better left fielder and this is probably a scoreless game.

by Jeff Sullivan on Jun 22, 2007 7:57 PM PDT reply actions  

"..Harang has thrown 20 pitches and
15 for strikes."

No he's thrown 20 pitches and about 10 strikes.

by Trent on Jun 22, 2007 7:58 PM PDT reply actions  

Doesnt Harang
look like a member of the Addam's Family?

I cant put my finger on which one the butler was...Lurch?

by Slica on Jun 22, 2007 7:58 PM PDT reply actions  

everyone in the AL west losing, except Texas
here come the Rangers.
Broussard for 1st! Seriously, stop sucking Richie.

by MFAN on Jun 22, 2007 7:58 PM PDT reply actions  

LOL
:-)
I wish this event were tonight. When is it? February. Then why are you wearing a tux? It's after 6 - what am I, a Farmer?

by IrishMariner on Jun 22, 2007 8:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

lol
I was thinking the exact same thing, and was surprised by the non-call.

by BeltredNOT on Jun 22, 2007 8:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

Fuck Mike Winters
Chalk up another one for the Asshole Umpire list
Adrian Beltre>Mike Blowers Russ Davis>Player A

by mariners11 on Jun 22, 2007 7:59 PM PDT reply actions  

So to recap:
  1. Raul sucks
  2. Yuni sucks
  3. Winters sucks
  4. Froemming sucks
  5. Feierabend probably sucks but it's hard to tell since everybody around him sucks

by Jeff Sullivan on Jun 22, 2007 8:00 PM PDT reply actions  

Sexson kind of sucks.
Should've caught that Griffey base hit.

by JLC on Jun 22, 2007 8:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

It's hard to blame the fans.
They just do what the scoreboard tells them to do. For example, if the scoreboard told them to kill the person to your right, they'd all pull out their Raul Ibanez bobblehead dolls and club each other to death with them. For the other 25,000 fans, they'd use their Mariner scoring sheets.

Except Red. He'd just slug anyone that comes near him while doing something very entertaining with his sign.

by JLC on Jun 22, 2007 8:01 PM PDT reply actions  

I don't think the scoreboard told them to cheer
the opposition for getting a hit.
Protect the enviroment, or I'll FUCKING KILL YOU! CAPTAAAAAIIIINNNN PLANNNNET! ~Ted Turner

by Goose on Jun 22, 2007 8:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

I know, I was being facetious.
The fact that the fans usually need that scoreboard to get them to make any sort of noise has been annoying me for a while.

by JLC on Jun 22, 2007 8:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yea
Call that a ball, Ump.

by ThundaPC on Jun 22, 2007 8:03 PM PDT reply actions  

wow Feirabend struck someone out
Even though he swung i'm almost suprised that it was called a strike
Adrian Beltre>Mike Blowers Russ Davis>Player A

by mariners11 on Jun 22, 2007 8:03 PM PDT reply actions  

Striking out Alex Gonzalez
This should not be a cause for major celebration, but alas...

by Jeff Sullivan on Jun 22, 2007 8:04 PM PDT reply actions  

8-0 score this game is a joke
This game dosen't really count
Adrian Beltre>Mike Blowers Russ Davis>Player A

by mariners11 on Jun 22, 2007 8:06 PM PDT reply actions  

8-0
Up yours, Hugenoseabend.

by Jeff Sullivan on Jun 22, 2007 8:07 PM PDT reply actions  

Anyone have a video of Grover getting tossed
I don't have this game on TV

but i want to see what happened

Adrian Beltre>Mike Blowers Russ Davis>Player A

by mariners11 on Jun 22, 2007 8:07 PM PDT reply actions  

Wasn't very exciting.
Hargrove gets thrown out from dugout, comes out and yells but doesn't get in the umpires face or kicks dirt or anything. After some pointing and cussing he walks back.

by JLC on Jun 22, 2007 8:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

9-0
hahahahahahahahahahahaha

by Jeff Sullivan on Jun 22, 2007 8:09 PM PDT reply actions  

and the game goes off
fuck you Mike Winters and screw you Feierabend.
Broussard for 1st! Seriously, stop sucking Richie.

by MFAN on Jun 22, 2007 8:10 PM PDT reply actions  

Wow this is embarassing
you are a loser Feierabend.
VIDRO STOPPED BECAUSE HE PROBABLY SAW SOME EFFING FOOD IN THE CROWD - katal

by Babar @ Lookout Landing on Jun 22, 2007 8:10 PM PDT reply actions  

well
I'm going to go drink elsewhere. This sucks. Although Davis could always earhole Griffey, which would be interesting to see how fans react...

by Trent on Jun 22, 2007 8:10 PM PDT reply actions  

Actually
I'm okay with that. It shows shades of real sports towns. I loathe the fact they're cheering the Reds to win.

by Trent on Jun 22, 2007 8:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

On the plus side
at least the fans are getting what they want. Since none of them giving a flying fuck about the Mariners.

by Jeff Sullivan on Jun 22, 2007 8:13 PM PDT reply actions  

Six homers on June 22nd
Just fall asleep like I know you want to, old man.

by Jeff Sullivan on Jun 22, 2007 8:14 PM PDT reply actions  

I just want to point out
that everyone in the stands gasped when Griffey struck out
VIDRO STOPPED BECAUSE HE PROBABLY SAW SOME EFFING FOOD IN THE CROWD - katal

by Babar @ Lookout Landing on Jun 22, 2007 8:15 PM PDT reply actions  

Can't wait for Ichiro to return in a BoSox uniform
I bet at least 80% of the fans in Safeco wear red on that day.

by JLC on Jun 22, 2007 8:16 PM PDT reply actions  

Fans cheering for Vidro
Why? He got a base hit. He's helping us win! BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

by JLC on Jun 22, 2007 8:17 PM PDT reply actions  

A HIT YAY
ONLY NEED 11 MORE SINGLES IN A ROW

by Jeff Sullivan on Jun 22, 2007 8:17 PM PDT reply actions  

Only Hope
Trade for the tattered remains of the 01 Indians

by Robert on Jun 22, 2007 8:18 PM PDT reply actions  

Yuni sucks at everything, retire.
Broussard for 1st! Seriously, stop sucking Richie.

by MFAN on Jun 22, 2007 8:18 PM PDT reply actions  

I love you KGJR!
Thanks for takin' a walk on our asses and makin sure that Mikey Camy is enjoyin' his enjoyment and for all the lovely excitement throughout the 90's.  this old-timer remembers the GOOD and the semi-bad times.  boyhood-hero, i will stand and aplaud your stike outs.  
here i am and here i go

by Burnside Brian on Jun 22, 2007 8:19 PM PDT reply actions  

Willie lines it to Griffey
Seattle doesn't know what to think

by Robert on Jun 22, 2007 8:19 PM PDT reply actions  

Ugh
No comment.

You know, I wanted to see a nice night, and if the Reds scored anything, it would be a Griffey HR. But I never asked for a 9-0 deficit.

Disgusting.

by Slica on Jun 22, 2007 8:19 PM PDT reply actions  

The MLB-tv break display sucks
But not as bad as this game.  Geeawwwd what a POS.

by Paytheline on Jun 22, 2007 8:21 PM PDT reply actions  

ESPn predicts a Saints/ Bears
NFC Championship, way to go out on a limb you fucking douchebags.
Broussard for 1st! Seriously, stop sucking Richie.

by MFAN on Jun 22, 2007 8:22 PM PDT reply actions  

okay, screw this game
I have better things to do tonight than watch this.

by Deanna on Jun 22, 2007 8:22 PM PDT reply actions  

I kind of like that we're getting blownout
Fans boo Feierabend, the Mariners end up getting hammered, and now they can't decide whether or not to leave and give up or stay to cheer on Griffey.

Meanwhile, the realization begins to creep in that they've been cheering for the opposing team. You can almost hear the confusion. "Hey, our team just got a hit! Wait.......do we boo that, or should we clap?"

by JLC on Jun 22, 2007 8:24 PM PDT reply actions  

Speaking of confusion...
Can you really blame the fans, I mean, Griffey threw a whole lot of "we" in his speech.  
"But when you throw the other ones a foot and a half out of the strike zone, they don't give you those." --Brandon Morrow

by PositivePaul on Jun 22, 2007 8:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think that Nintendo
is actually paying him to endorse the wii

by thenatural on Jun 22, 2007 8:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

D-Backs getting blown out too, Cabrera with a
no-no going.

I hate baseball.

Protect the enviroment, or I'll FUCKING KILL YOU! CAPTAAAAAIIIINNNN PLANNNNET! ~Ted Turner

by Goose on Jun 22, 2007 8:26 PM PDT reply actions  

I just came by to say
how dare you slander my hero Adam Carolla with that picture next to Harang.  Shame!

by JeffHagan2 on Jun 22, 2007 8:27 PM PDT reply actions  

Wow.
Protect the enviroment, or I'll FUCKING KILL YOU! CAPTAAAAAIIIINNNN PLANNNNET! ~Ted Turner

by Goose on Jun 22, 2007 8:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

Another BS strikeout.
At this point, I don't know if I'm supposed to still care.

by Jeff Sullivan on Jun 22, 2007 8:34 PM PDT reply actions  

Aaron Harang:
1 K, 3 Winters assists.

by JLC on Jun 22, 2007 8:34 PM PDT reply actions  

what is the ratio
of Winters Assists to Schrute Bucks?

by thenatural on Jun 22, 2007 8:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm right there with you
summer school in Arizona (115 degrees) = no friends in town

by thenatural on Jun 22, 2007 8:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

Me neither.
I'm at work.
Protect the enviroment, or I'll FUCKING KILL YOU! CAPTAAAAAIIIINNNN PLANNNNET! ~Ted Turner

by Goose on Jun 22, 2007 8:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well, Ichiro wanted to try pitching
Now is a good a time as any.

Oh, and I don't know how Ichiro feels about the fans booing Ryan, but if I were him, I wouldn't come back to this town, which apparently has the "best fans in baseball".

by JLC on Jun 22, 2007 8:39 PM PDT reply actions  

If I'm Ichiro, that's pretty much the deciding
moment for me. I'm outta here.
Protect the enviroment, or I'll FUCKING KILL YOU! CAPTAAAAAIIIINNNN PLANNNNET! ~Ted Turner

by Goose on Jun 22, 2007 8:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

Josh Hamilton homers
someone needs to come up with a good drug joke.
Broussard for 1st! Seriously, stop sucking Richie.

by MFAN on Jun 22, 2007 8:41 PM PDT reply actions  

Oh, and while Blowers didn't come right out
and say it, he's done a good job of criticizing the fans and the umpires in a "Mariners' approved" way.

by JLC on Jun 22, 2007 8:41 PM PDT reply actions  

Yeah
the broadcast's been the only saving grace so far.

by Jeff Sullivan on Jun 22, 2007 8:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

Harang got that pitch.
I never want any umpires to die in the middle of a game, but if it had to happen...

by Jeff Sullivan on Jun 22, 2007 8:44 PM PDT reply actions  

Have Ichiro pitch to Griffey
I'd like to see both the outcome and the fans' reaction to that outcome.

by JLC on Jun 22, 2007 8:45 PM PDT reply actions  

Dave Sims is so naive.
Nobody back east gives a fuck about Griffey's return. Hell, nobody back east gives a fuck about Griffey.

by Jeff Sullivan on Jun 22, 2007 8:46 PM PDT reply actions  

Umpire calls Griffey out on swinging strike 3
I half expected him to give him another strike.

by JLC on Jun 22, 2007 8:48 PM PDT reply actions  

hehe, M's losing 9-0
and Griffey with 2 K's.

take that "safeco faithful", everyone there deserves that...except Red.

Broussard for 1st! Seriously, stop sucking Richie.

by MFAN on Jun 22, 2007 8:48 PM PDT reply actions  

Richie with the prductive out
fans cheer??
Broussard for 1st! Seriously, stop sucking Richie.

by MFAN on Jun 22, 2007 8:52 PM PDT reply actions  

back to back shutouts against a terrible team
after losing series to two terrible teams, now getting shutout 10-0 to the worst team in the league...

Im not sure what to think about this

by thenatural on Jun 22, 2007 8:54 PM PDT reply actions  

Wow
Ump didn't call that a strike?

by ThundaPC on Jun 22, 2007 8:54 PM PDT reply actions  

Even Betancourt's hitting caues E-6's.
Protect the enviroment, or I'll FUCKING KILL YOU! CAPTAAAAAIIIINNNN PLANNNNET! ~Ted Turner

by Goose on Jun 22, 2007 8:56 PM PDT reply actions  

bloomquist has 1 career grand slam...
Dave pointing that out as foreshadowing... haha right

by thenatural on Jun 22, 2007 8:56 PM PDT reply actions  

lucky scoop
he just swatted at that...

SHUTOUT AVOIDED!!!

by thenatural on Jun 22, 2007 8:57 PM PDT reply actions  

so lets say, for the sake of argument...
heh, or not... that Ichiro signs somewhere else next year.

Does the "Ichiro" chant continue with the fan's of whatever city he goes to?

by thenatural on Jun 22, 2007 8:59 PM PDT reply actions  

Yeah, I'd say so.
Protect the enviroment, or I'll FUCKING KILL YOU! CAPTAAAAAIIIINNNN PLANNNNET! ~Ted Turner

by Goose on Jun 22, 2007 9:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

i think i would tend to agree
unless he goes to the Yankees or BoSox, where hes just an average player on a team of superstars

by thenatural on Jun 22, 2007 9:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't see why not
He doesn't have a nickname (Ichiro is basically his nickname) and you can't do anything else with it.

Maybe they start chanting "Suzuki" but I doubt it.

by JLC on Jun 22, 2007 9:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm just saying
that it's kind of unique for us... theres not many other players who have fans chanting their name, or nickname, whenever they come up to bat... so I dont know if that would transfer over to another club if and when he leaves

by thenatural on Jun 22, 2007 9:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Never mind Ichiro..
..after tonight, Dave & The Moose will be demanding a trade.
I wish this event were tonight. When is it? February. Then why are you wearing a tux? It's after 6 - what am I, a Farmer?

by IrishMariner on Jun 22, 2007 9:03 PM PDT reply actions  

Cue the Benny Hill Music!
Protect the enviroment, or I'll FUCKING KILL YOU! CAPTAAAAAIIIINNNN PLANNNNET! ~Ted Turner

by Goose on Jun 22, 2007 9:05 PM PDT reply actions  

Too bad it's not Arthur Rhodes.
He used to pitch for the Mariners! Refuse to Lose! Sodo Mojo! Two outs? So what!

by JLC on Jun 22, 2007 9:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Can they make it to 20?
Protect the enviroment, or I'll FUCKING KILL YOU! CAPTAAAAAIIIINNNN PLANNNNET! ~Ted Turner

by Goose on Jun 22, 2007 9:07 PM PDT reply actions  

Lovely
15-1

Fuck this.

I wish this event were tonight. When is it? February. Then why are you wearing a tux? It's after 6 - what am I, a Farmer?

by IrishMariner on Jun 22, 2007 9:07 PM PDT reply actions  

15-1
Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee.....

by ThundaPC on Jun 22, 2007 9:07 PM PDT reply actions  

this game is awesome.
Broussard for 1st! Seriously, stop sucking Richie.

by MFAN on Jun 22, 2007 9:07 PM PDT reply actions  

Guess on the final run tally for Cincinnati?
I'm guessing 19.
Protect the enviroment, or I'll FUCKING KILL YOU! CAPTAAAAAIIIINNNN PLANNNNET! ~Ted Turner

by Goose on Jun 22, 2007 9:08 PM PDT reply actions  

20
How many beers has Grover had in his office since being ejected.
I wish this event were tonight. When is it? February. Then why are you wearing a tux? It's after 6 - what am I, a Farmer?

by IrishMariner on Jun 22, 2007 9:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think at this point
he's moved on to more powerful chemicals

by thenatural on Jun 22, 2007 9:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

WEEEEEEE!
Protect the enviroment, or I'll FUCKING KILL YOU! CAPTAAAAAIIIINNNN PLANNNNET! ~Ted Turner

by Goose on Jun 22, 2007 9:10 PM PDT reply actions  

HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA
Broussard for 1st! Seriously, stop sucking Richie.

by MFAN on Jun 22, 2007 9:10 PM PDT reply actions  

Wow, this is funny
Will everyone BUT Ken Griffey Jr. get a homerun today?

by ThundaPC on Jun 22, 2007 9:10 PM PDT reply actions  

just let Griffey homer
seriously, im rooting for it now!
Broussard for 1st! Seriously, stop sucking Richie.

by MFAN on Jun 22, 2007 9:10 PM PDT reply actions  

Wow
This game is enough to outperform Pythag for the rest of the year.

by ThundaPC on Jun 22, 2007 9:11 PM PDT reply actions  

I stop listening for like 30 minutes
and its 16-1

The Reds are turning Safeco into a bandbox stadium

Adrian Beltre>Mike Blowers Russ Davis>Player A

by mariners11 on Jun 22, 2007 9:12 PM PDT reply actions  

Welcome to the bigs RRS.
Your first batter is the guy everybody is rooting for.

Good luck.

Protect the enviroment, or I'll FUCKING KILL YOU! CAPTAAAAAIIIINNNN PLANNNNET! ~Ted Turner

by Goose on Jun 22, 2007 9:13 PM PDT reply actions  

RRS K's Jr
Fuck you Safeco crowd!!!
I wish this event were tonight. When is it? February. Then why are you wearing a tux? It's after 6 - what am I, a Farmer?

by IrishMariner on Jun 22, 2007 9:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Enter the Hyphen.
Sorry Austin Bibens-Dirkx!!!
"But when you throw the other ones a foot and a half out of the strike zone, they don't give you those." --Brandon Morrow

by PositivePaul on Jun 22, 2007 9:13 PM PDT reply actions  

BWAHAHAHAHAA
Three strikeouts for Griffey.

by ThundaPC on Jun 22, 2007 9:14 PM PDT reply actions  

RRS!
3 K's for Griffey.

Suck it Safeco fans.

Protect the enviroment, or I'll FUCKING KILL YOU! CAPTAAAAAIIIINNNN PLANNNNET! ~Ted Turner

by Goose on Jun 22, 2007 9:14 PM PDT reply actions  

RRS!!!!!!!!!!
Broussard for 1st! Seriously, stop sucking Richie.

by MFAN on Jun 22, 2007 9:14 PM PDT reply actions  

HAHAHAHAHAHA
Only thing positive about tonight.

by Jeff Sullivan on Jun 22, 2007 9:14 PM PDT reply actions  

This game was never meant for the M's
I mean they did start Feirabend.

Anyway who goes tomorrow?  I think we'll win tomorrow teams don't usually win after blowing out the opponent the previous night

Adrian Beltre>Mike Blowers Russ Davis>Player A

by mariners11 on Jun 22, 2007 9:14 PM PDT reply actions  

well Harang is 7-2
and theyre 18-40 when he doesnt start, so I would say we have a decent chance at the next 2 games

by thenatural on Jun 22, 2007 9:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

I didn't think they would beat Harang
He did after all once play for Oakland
Adrian Beltre>Mike Blowers Russ Davis>Player A

by mariners11 on Jun 22, 2007 9:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

Who are ya foolin, huh?
They're gonna sweep us.

We suck against sucky pitchers.  This is probaby the first time we've sucked against a good pitcher...

"But when you throw the other ones a foot and a half out of the strike zone, they don't give you those." --Brandon Morrow

by PositivePaul on Jun 22, 2007 9:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

too true...
we're fucked... especially with the Reds having the apparent home-field advantage

by thenatural on Jun 22, 2007 9:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wow.
Three K's?  

Maybe it's in honor of the Kingdome...

"But when you throw the other ones a foot and a half out of the strike zone, they don't give you those." --Brandon Morrow

by PositivePaul on Jun 22, 2007 9:14 PM PDT reply actions  

Haha, that was sick.
RRS sticking it to the fans.

by JLC on Jun 22, 2007 9:15 PM PDT reply actions  

Griffey
Single, GIDP/E-6, K, K, K.

by ThundaPC on Jun 22, 2007 9:15 PM PDT reply actions  

I don't believe you
I still see fans in the stadium.

by JLC on Jun 22, 2007 9:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

:stadium empties:
Protect the enviroment, or I'll FUCKING KILL YOU! CAPTAAAAAIIIINNNN PLANNNNET! ~Ted Turner

by Goose on Jun 22, 2007 9:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

Not quite...
These fans are too stupid to notice that there's a white guy playing RF now.  Once his turn in the order comes up again, and he doesn't take it, THEN you'll see the exodus...
"But when you throw the other ones a foot and a half out of the strike zone, they don't give you those." --Brandon Morrow

by PositivePaul on Jun 22, 2007 9:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ha! they took Junior out
Okay Mariners at least try to make a game of this
Adrian Beltre>Mike Blowers Russ Davis>Player A

by mariners11 on Jun 22, 2007 9:17 PM PDT reply actions  

Make a game of this?
That would require 9 more innings, a new umpiring crew, and for Aaron Harang to go away.

by JLC on Jun 22, 2007 9:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

To hell with what i said
I could care less what the score is right now

As long as we take the next two games I'll be happy

Adrian Beltre>Mike Blowers Russ Davis>Player A

by mariners11 on Jun 22, 2007 9:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

unrelated question
ive been wondering this for a while... why did beltre change uniform numbers?

by thenatural on Jun 22, 2007 9:19 PM PDT reply actions  

I said try to make a game of this
This isn't trying Mariners
Adrian Beltre>Mike Blowers Russ Davis>Player A

by mariners11 on Jun 22, 2007 9:20 PM PDT reply actions  

For the Mariners to make a game of it, they'd have
to have the Seahawks come in and throw a couple of touchdowns first.
Protect the enviroment, or I'll FUCKING KILL YOU! CAPTAAAAAIIIINNNN PLANNNNET! ~Ted Turner

by Goose on Jun 22, 2007 9:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Jose Guillen
starting to suck.
Broussard for 1st! Seriously, stop sucking Richie.

by MFAN on Jun 22, 2007 9:22 PM PDT reply actions  

You want Carl Everett back?
I'd take Broussard over him and Guillen

even if Broussard is not so good in the OF

Adrian Beltre>Mike Blowers Russ Davis>Player A

by mariners11 on Jun 22, 2007 9:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

ok
I never said anything about Carl.

Guillen is slumping, thats all im saying.

Broussard for 1st! Seriously, stop sucking Richie.

by MFAN on Jun 22, 2007 9:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

Call up Adam Jones
and rename him "Ken Griffey Jr. Edgar Olerud Bret Boone Bat Flip Mr. Mariner Bloomquist".

by JLC on Jun 22, 2007 9:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

Worst outfielder ever.
Protect the enviroment, or I'll FUCKING KILL YOU! CAPTAAAAAIIIINNNN PLANNNNET! ~Ted Turner

by Goose on Jun 22, 2007 9:24 PM PDT reply actions  

Hey now
Raul still sucks at LF-ing.

by ThundaPC on Jun 22, 2007 9:24 PM PDT reply actions  

My only hope with a game as bad as this
is that Bavasi makes a rash decision tomorrow like calling up Adam Jones and DFA'ing Vidro.

by Slozbury Stouvre on Jun 22, 2007 9:25 PM PDT reply actions  

We kept them scoreless in the 4th!
Booyah Bitch!
Protect the enviroment, or I'll FUCKING KILL YOU! CAPTAAAAAIIIINNNN PLANNNNET! ~Ted Turner

by Goose on Jun 22, 2007 9:26 PM PDT reply actions  

More like stone tablets.
"But when you throw the other ones a foot and a half out of the strike zone, they don't give you those." --Brandon Morrow

by PositivePaul on Jun 22, 2007 9:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

I like RRS
the Mariner seem to do a good job off finding solid left-handed relievers.
Broussard for 1st! Seriously, stop sucking Richie.

by MFAN on Jun 22, 2007 9:29 PM PDT reply actions  

RRS sporting the goggles
That makes him automatically better than Jason Davis.

by JLC on Jun 22, 2007 9:30 PM PDT reply actions  

Class Action Guy says:

You fuckers disgust me!

Protect the enviroment, or I'll FUCKING KILL YOU! CAPTAAAAAIIIINNNN PLANNNNET! ~Ted Turner

by Goose on Jun 22, 2007 9:31 PM PDT reply actions  

He's back!
I saw a guy who looked exactly like him during a playoff hockey game a month or two ago.

by Jeff Sullivan on Jun 22, 2007 9:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

GOD DAMMIT
LET A POSITION PLAYER PITCH!!
Broussard for 1st! Seriously, stop sucking Richie.

by MFAN on Jun 22, 2007 9:37 PM PDT reply actions  

This game
Needs more Brandon Morrow.

by ThundaPC on Jun 22, 2007 9:38 PM PDT reply actions  

I still wanna know where Green's ability
to miss bats at a high rate came from.
Protect the enviroment, or I'll FUCKING KILL YOU! CAPTAAAAAIIIINNNN PLANNNNET! ~Ted Turner

by Goose on Jun 22, 2007 9:39 PM PDT reply actions  

Umm
Why do I sometimes feel like I'm the only person in the Mariners blogosphere who's noticed Sean Green's changed his delivery since last year?

by Deanna on Jun 23, 2007 12:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

Heh.
Maybe you're just the only one paying close enough attention to Sean Green.

by Jeff Sullivan on Jun 23, 2007 12:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

Well
There's been at least three or four times on here where people have said "How is Green sucking less?" and I say "He's dropped his arm angle against righties and is almost pitching sidearm a la Villone," and then a day later people ask again, "So has Green changed anything?"

I pointed it out at the last LL Night too, but the only person who heard me was Garces, I think.

by Deanna on Jun 23, 2007 12:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

If we weren't getting creamed, that hit would of
pissed me off.
Protect the enviroment, or I'll FUCKING KILL YOU! CAPTAAAAAIIIINNNN PLANNNNET! ~Ted Turner

by Goose on Jun 22, 2007 9:40 PM PDT reply actions  

Noris Hopper
he's going to be a pain in the ass this series.
Broussard for 1st! Seriously, stop sucking Richie.

by MFAN on Jun 22, 2007 9:40 PM PDT reply actions  

Noris Hopper
Hit a chopper
Beltre couldn't
Throw and stop 'er.

by Paytheline on Jun 22, 2007 9:43 PM PDT reply actions  

:golf clap:
Protect the enviroment, or I'll FUCKING KILL YOU! CAPTAAAAAIIIINNNN PLANNNNET! ~Ted Turner

by Goose on Jun 22, 2007 9:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

Angels tied 4-4
Reggie Willits double.  I hate that guy
Broussard for 1st! Seriously, stop sucking Richie.

by MFAN on Jun 22, 2007 9:43 PM PDT reply actions  

What. The. Fuck.
Protect the enviroment, or I'll FUCKING KILL YOU! CAPTAAAAAIIIINNNN PLANNNNET! ~Ted Turner

by Goose on Jun 22, 2007 9:56 PM PDT reply actions  

Beltre
Didn't want to draw a walk.

by ThundaPC on Jun 22, 2007 9:57 PM PDT reply actions  

Reggie Willits hitting .349
I fucking hate Anaheim and everybody from Anaheim.

by Jeff Sullivan on Jun 22, 2007 9:57 PM PDT reply actions  

Yes. Time to mount a comeback!
Top 5 Greatest Players ever: 1. Josh Gibson 2. Cool Papa Bell 3. Babe Ruth 4. Matty 5. Ty Cobb

by Coach Owens on Jun 22, 2007 9:57 PM PDT reply actions  

WOOOOOOOOO! RAAAAALLLLLYYYYY!!!!
Protect the enviroment, or I'll FUCKING KILL YOU! CAPTAAAAAIIIINNNN PLANNNNET! ~Ted Turner

by Goose on Jun 22, 2007 9:59 PM PDT reply actions  

Home run makes it
only a 12-run game.
Top 5 Greatest Players ever: 1. Josh Gibson 2. Cool Papa Bell 3. Babe Ruth 4. Matty 5. Ty Cobb

by Coach Owens on Jun 22, 2007 9:59 PM PDT reply actions  

Hahahahaha.
Brandon Phillips is stupid.

by JLC on Jun 22, 2007 9:59 PM PDT reply actions  

THAT'S RIGHT! REFUSE TO LOSE!
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!
Protect the enviroment, or I'll FUCKING KILL YOU! CAPTAAAAAIIIINNNN PLANNNNET! ~Ted Turner

by Goose on Jun 22, 2007 9:59 PM PDT reply actions  

LET'S GO MARINERS! CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP
CLAP! LET'S GO MARINERS! CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP!
Protect the enviroment, or I'll FUCKING KILL YOU! CAPTAAAAAIIIINNNN PLANNNNET! ~Ted Turner

by Goose on Jun 22, 2007 10:01 PM PDT reply actions  

Stupid ump.
I hate you so much.
Top 5 Greatest Players ever: 1. Josh Gibson 2. Cool Papa Bell 3. Babe Ruth 4. Matty 5. Ty Cobb

by Coach Owens on Jun 22, 2007 10:01 PM PDT reply actions  

Shank him!
That baseball bat can hit more than just baseballs!

by JLC on Jun 22, 2007 10:01 PM PDT reply actions  

Guillen
Struck out looking at a ball that almost hit him.

by ThundaPC on Jun 22, 2007 10:01 PM PDT reply actions  

dammit
bonds hit another homer tonight... I cant wait till A-Rod gets older

by thenatural on Jun 22, 2007 10:01 PM PDT reply actions  

Jamie Burke
Still awesome. Even amidst all the shit going on tonight.
Protect the enviroment, or I'll FUCKING KILL YOU! CAPTAAAAAIIIINNNN PLANNNNET! ~Ted Turner

by Goose on Jun 22, 2007 10:03 PM PDT reply actions  

Burke
still awesome.
Broussard for 1st! Seriously, stop sucking Richie.

by MFAN on Jun 22, 2007 10:03 PM PDT reply actions  

Nice Broussard.
Top 5 Greatest Players ever: 1. Josh Gibson 2. Cool Papa Bell 3. Babe Ruth 4. Matty 5. Ty Cobb

by Coach Owens on Jun 22, 2007 10:03 PM PDT reply actions  

Worst game of the year.
Protect the enviroment, or I'll FUCKING KILL YOU! CAPTAAAAAIIIINNNN PLANNNNET! ~Ted Turner

by Goose on Jun 22, 2007 10:03 PM PDT reply actions  

good job Ben
Broussard for 1st! Seriously, stop sucking Richie.

by MFAN on Jun 22, 2007 10:04 PM PDT reply actions  

This game best left forgotten.
Unfortunately, the Mariners are going to talk about Griffey so much that I'll probably vomit.

by JLC on Jun 22, 2007 10:07 PM PDT reply actions  

pirates with runners on 1st and 2nd
2 outs, freddie sanchez up against scott shields, in the top of the 10th

by thenatural on Jun 22, 2007 10:12 PM PDT reply actions  

the battle between the Pirates and Angels
doesn't work in our favor to begin with.
Broussard for 1st! Seriously, stop sucking Richie.

by MFAN on Jun 22, 2007 10:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

cabrera makes a decent play
on a ball in the 3.5 hole to rob him. Angels most likely win in bottom of the 10th... just a feelin

by thenatural on Jun 22, 2007 10:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Angels win.
I've decided to henceforth call them Los Angeles instead of Anaheim, since it makes them more angry.

by Jeff Sullivan on Jun 22, 2007 10:52 PM PDT reply actions  

Jeff, I need a postgame thread
so I can rail on the fanboys tonight.

by tworsandtwols on Jun 22, 2007 10:54 PM PDT reply actions  

Give me time.
I always need a break between watching and writing.

by Jeff Sullivan on Jun 22, 2007 11:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

Simply Incredible Game Thread.
I don't know how to explain how strange it is to look through these posts, and see intelligent people claiming to understand why tonight was important to Seattle, only to read later posts of "Bean Griffey" and "The only good part is Griffey sucked".  I'm just at a loss.
Like you said Jeff, there really does seem to be a disconnect between pre and post-Griffey era fans, and to some extent, pre and post-95 M's fans.  But to hear these so called "fans" on this thread calling out the M's fan at Safeco today as bad fans?  Well, I just don't know how anyone could respond to that irony.  

by ryanb on Jun 22, 2007 11:02 PM PDT reply actions  

This is a pretty important point:
Things said during game threads should not be taken outside of game thread context. Today's contest absolutely, positively sucked in every single way. Many people (myself clearly being one of them) were extremely frustrated and just saying angry things. That's what happens during shitty games. It's meaningless venting.

by Jeff Sullivan on Jun 22, 2007 11:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

Totally get that Jeff.
But it still sounds like more than that, and I'm not gonna waste everyone's time again preaching about it, so don't worry.  I guess I'm just sad that it wasn't, i guess, happier.  

by ryanb on Jun 22, 2007 11:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

Nah, it's not more than that.
We're just an angry group when we lose (in humiliating fashion).

by Jeff Sullivan on Jun 22, 2007 11:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

well...
booing feirebend immensely just for keeping the runner close at first was beyond rediculous.

by Eldukey on Jun 22, 2007 11:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yes, that's pretty lame.
But one thing you have to think about is that M's fans are not Yankees/Sox/Dodgers fans.  We've had exactly one transcendent player in our short history.  The crazy loyalty I would think might be a bit better understood in this case.  

by ryanb on Jun 22, 2007 11:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

still..
I could understand them booing if they did something like, bean griffey, intentionally walk griffey, etc. etc.  But we have a rookie pitcher up there, thrust into an incredibly awkward situation, and they boo the hell out of him just for keeping the runner close, who i'll add is a high threat to steal.  I don't care that they cheered when griffey got a base hit, if i was at the game i'd be cheering too, but booing feirebend was appalling.  He didn't deserve that.

by Eldukey on Jun 22, 2007 11:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Agree
This is not acceptable under any circumstances.

by Gomez on Jun 22, 2007 11:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm not really sure some people understand
The kind of emotional attachment many in Seattle have to Junior.

This night belonged to Junior. It was going to belong to Junior, absolutely no stopping it. There could have been no pregame ceremony and no build up to his return and the reaction would've been the same.

by TheMarinator on Jun 22, 2007 11:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

This night didn't belong to junior
This night belonged to the media hype machine. Griffey couldn't give two shits about returning to Seattle.
Protect the enviroment, or I'll FUCKING KILL YOU! CAPTAAAAAIIIINNNN PLANNNNET! ~Ted Turner

by Goose on Jun 22, 2007 11:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

As far as I'm concerned it belonged to the fans
Maybe Griffey cared about coming back, maybe not. All I know is I saw a lot of people at the ballpark wearing their emotions on their sleeves and it was pretty cool to see.

It is fun to take a ride on the Wayback Machine for 1 night, and celebrate a great player in Mariner history. It was fun, that's all I really care about. It may have been one of those things where you just had to be at the ballpark shrug

by TheMarinator on Jun 23, 2007 12:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

Not that many people booed
it just came when everyone else had no reason to make noise.  And there were a lot of vocal Reds fans wearing Big Red Machine throwbacks -- remember this was the Reds' first visit to Seattle, and all the displaced Reds fan have been waiting a long time for this game too.

by G_ on Jun 22, 2007 11:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

I watched at the bar
Train wreck.

I stand by my point that our fans booing our pitching is still sick and pathetic.

I guess it didn't matter eventually... but how can one condone that?  I can understand Jeff Weaver getting booed my the home crowd for sucking, but Feierabend for doing his job and holding the runner close like he's supposed to?

Not called for in any circumstances.

As for Griffey, he got on base, so good for him.  And ryanb, please shut up and go away if you can't discuss anything other than your anger that everyone doesn't share your wild man-love for Junior.

by Gomez on Jun 22, 2007 11:13 PM PDT reply actions  

Okay, that was funny.
But anyway, I have absolutely no interest in seeing this get heated again. Griffey had his ceremony. It was nice. People enjoyed it. Now we get to talk about losing by fifteen runs to the worst team in baseball.

by Jeff Sullivan on Jun 22, 2007 11:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

WE LOST 16-1 TO THE REDS
THERE IS NOT ENOUGH LIQUOR IN THE WORLD.

AT LEAST WE SAW RRS.

by Gomez on Jun 22, 2007 11:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

Don't worry, just trying to make sense of it.
BUT I'LL TELL YOU ONE THING YOU SON'S OF BITCHES IS THAT I WILL NOT STAND FOR PEOPLE TRYING TO MAKE POINTS BY TYPING IN ALL CAPS!!!  IT JUST MAKES SHIT HARDER TO READ BUT DOES NOT MAKE YOU LOOK HARDER AS AN ADVOCATE FOR YOUR POSITION!  

by ryanb on Jun 22, 2007 11:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

that was attempted comedy by the way Gomez...
Not trying to get heated, and yes, I know, comedy is hard.

by ryanb on Jun 22, 2007 11:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

However
All caps make things funnier when you don't use punctuation.

For example:

There is a monkey in my living room!! Why is there a monkey in my living room?!?

THERE IS A MONKEY IN MY LIVING ROOM WHY IS THERE A MONKEY IN MY LIVING ROOM

by Jeff Sullivan on Jun 22, 2007 11:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

SURE YOU WERE
I HAVE TO YELL BECAUSE YOU KIDS DAMAGE YOUR EARS WITH THAT LOUD MUSIC

by Gomez on Jun 22, 2007 11:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

WHATEVER MOM
IF YOU ARE GONNA YELL AT ME WHY THE FUCK DO YOU GET MAD AT ME FOR YELLING ARGGGGGGGGGGGG

by ryanb on Jun 22, 2007 11:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

I was at the game, and the pregame was great
Not a dry eye in the house.

I really don't care what anyone here thinks about it. It was very touching, and very appropriate.

This was one of the greatest moments in Seattle sports history, as well it should be.

I didn't even mind the 15 run blowout, for just 1 night.

by TheMarinator on Jun 22, 2007 11:13 PM PDT reply actions  

White boy?
Yeah, I was booing the living shit out of Feirabend. I called him every name in the book, right up until they pulled his lame ass.

So was everyone around me. He was absolutely awful. I didn't want to see him go past the 1st inning.

by TheMarinator on Jun 22, 2007 11:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

In all fairness
while Feierabend was absolutely awful in the 2nd and 3rd, that 1st inning was mostly bad umpiring and worse Raul.

by Jeff Sullivan on Jun 22, 2007 11:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah I cussed Raul too
and the umps, and Ryan F. Then I think after the 3rd beer and the home run given upto their .198 hitting catcher, I started laughing. I didn't stop until the game ended. My friend kept looking at me like I was crazy.

It was just so horribly one sided I found it really comical. Especially after they pulled Griffey and some Reds fans in front of me got extremely pissed off. They went absolutely balistik, and stormed out of their seats. Like 10 of them. I don't know if I've ever laughed so hard in my life.

by TheMarinator on Jun 22, 2007 11:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

This is one of what?
The Kid forced a trade. More than any other athlete in Seattle sports history he turned his back on us. He may have but Seattle baseball on the map but he had no intention of staying here. In no way should this be ever be mentioned in the same breath as Game 5, the NFC championship game or the 79 NBA Finals.

by Robert on Jun 22, 2007 11:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

It's hard to explain
Some of it defies conventional thinking really. It's hard to explain with complete rationality. Honestly Griffey was the person that drew me into the entire Seattle sports scene in the early 90's. The Mariners were my first love as far as sports teams go. Then came the Sonics, and the Seahawks. I think many people in Seattle have the same level of attachment with the guy.

What he did to force the trade is largely forgotten. I really have a hard time caring about it myself.

by TheMarinator on Jun 22, 2007 11:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

If you
don't appreciate what Griffey did for the organization, and don't think he deserved what he got, I would question how long you have been following the club. The current players haven't done shit for the organization, except for turning out a few embarrassing years. Maybe current team wasn't so bad, the fans wouldn't have to hold on to the past.

by seahawk24 on Jun 22, 2007 11:14 PM PDT reply actions  

I started following in 98
Ichiro has done plenty of shit lately. Griffey was the only player to ever force his way out of town and as long as the short right field porch continues to shit all over our free agent acquisitions I will consider it a personal "fuck you" from Ken himself.

by Robert on Jun 22, 2007 11:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

you started in 98?
You really could have just stopped your thought right there.  

by ryanb on Jun 22, 2007 11:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

I moved from New York in 97
I stopped rooting for the Yankees in the middle of their greatest season to follow a last place baseball team. I consider my self both a diehard Seattle fan and a baseball historian. I know exactly what Griffey meant for Seattle. I was all for the Standing O, thought the pre game festivities were a little over the top but whatever, its the when the fans started caring more about a player that fucked this team 5 ways to Sunday then the people currently wearing the uniform that really made me angry.

by Robert on Jun 22, 2007 11:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

You are just making my point.
If you were not here for the 80's M's, you don't know.  Even if you studied baseball history, you can't understand how different it felt to be an M's fan post 1989.  You just can't.  
And Griffey didn't fuck the M's, he put them on the map.  To put it in NY terms, he was our Ruth.  And that's really not as crazy as it sounds if you were here.  

by ryanb on Jun 22, 2007 11:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

See, how is this productive?
How does putting other fans down make anything right?

by Gomez on Jun 22, 2007 11:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

Griffey would have been the M's Ruth
had he stayed. The trade before 2000 sucked like hell. I have strangely forgiven him for it, probably due to some combination of Mariners' immediate success following his dpearture, Mike Cameron's robbing of Derek Jeter, and the number of injuries he's had since. Or perhaps that letting him go allowed the M's to go get a bullpen, which they desperately needed when he was here.

But at this point, I mostly feel that A-Rod has served his penance. He has not earned my applause nor my ASG votes, due to my M's fandom and irrational hatred of NYY, but his penance, I feel, has been completed.

by tworsandtwols on Jun 23, 2007 12:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yep yep
They've both served their time. Griffey most of all. I hold no ill will towards either.

Now Jeff Cirrillo and Player A? Fuck them.

Protect the enviroment, or I'll FUCKING KILL YOU! CAPTAAAAAIIIINNNN PLANNNNET! ~Ted Turner

by Goose on Jun 23, 2007 12:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

There is a special special hell
for Player A. I am highly indifferent toward Cirillo, who I'm happy to say only has one "R" in his name (I had to look it up). I just like that because that means his last name isn't like mine (or as Deanna pointed out to me once, Sherrill's).

by tworsandtwols on Jun 23, 2007 12:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

I just hated Cirillo because he freaking sucked.
And his first year in Seattle was when I learned about sabermetrics and the value of OBP vs BA. So Cirillo for me was the first example of "Holy shit, not only does this guy suck the old fashion way, but he sucks with the new way as well!"

And then of course next year, he was even worse.

Protect the enviroment, or I'll FUCKING KILL YOU! CAPTAAAAAIIIINNNN PLANNNNET! ~Ted Turner

by Goose on Jun 23, 2007 12:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

Six Time All-Star, Gold Glover, 2001 ROTY and MVP,
all-time single-season hits champion Ichiro says hi.

by tworsandtwols on Jun 22, 2007 11:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

True, but that's mostly because of injury.
Griffey was never the fastest man in baseball like Ichiro has been, but he was never Vidro or Edgar with the legs. At least, not until all the injuries.

by tworsandtwols on Jun 22, 2007 11:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

I love Griffey more than I love Ichiro, though
but that's mostly because Griffey was my childhood. Ichiro is simply amazing and I don't think anyone quite appreciates him as much as he ought to be appreciated. Then again, I don't know if we understand how to properly do that.

by tworsandtwols on Jun 22, 2007 11:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

This laughable
The game sucked. The pregame was apparently great.

I dont see why the two have to tie into each other.

So cant we all be hippies and not savages?

by Slica on Jun 22, 2007 11:30 PM PDT reply actions  

Gomez
It was I who responded to you on SLOG.  I think you owe ryanb an apology.

by ryanhealy on Jun 22, 2007 11:36 PM PDT reply actions  

Yeah, I know it was you
And no, I'm not going to.  If you actually read Slog, you'd know that asking this is fruitless.

He knows the score here and yet he's pushing people.  It's clear with every post he's trying to bait people and pick a fight.

In fact, he'd better not pull this crap tomorrow.  I can keep the peace just fine, but he needs to play along.

by Gomez on Jun 22, 2007 11:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

You signed up on 6/17
Where have you been between then and today?

by Gomez on Jun 22, 2007 11:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

That is the source of your angst?
B/c I didn't post before?  My goodness man.  I have tried to be pretty respectful, and it is obvious we disagree about Griffey.  But come on.  Making 3rd party threats?  I better conform?  What the hell is that?  I though this was about talking baseball.  

by ryanb on Jun 22, 2007 11:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

What you're doing isn't productive or amicable
You're taking shots at me for no real productive reason.  And yes, I have admin powers... that I'd rather not put to use.  I'd rather you just quit this garbage and let it drop.  Yes, you love Griffey, and people here don't share your world-view.

by Gomez on Jun 23, 2007 12:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

Now now Gomez.
I'm pretty sure Jeff wouldn't take too kindly to that.

Come on guys. How about we call it a night eh?

Protect the enviroment, or I'll FUCKING KILL YOU! CAPTAAAAAIIIINNNN PLANNNNET! ~Ted Turner

by Goose on Jun 23, 2007 12:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

No, he wouldn't
Which is why I didn't want to go there in the first place.

But this guy simply will not let it go.  At all.

by Gomez on Jun 23, 2007 12:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

Cool, do what you have to do, but
I thought different opinions were welcome.  That's why I defended tonight's celebration, Griffey and the fans who dig him.  I think if you look back over this, you'll see you got a little steamed that I didn't agree with you, and that's fine with me.  But some people did, so I'm not falling on the sword for my position.  If that warrants being banned, then so be it.  Not trying to cause trouble, and I do read what you write most every day.  I just didn't expect such hostility toward a contrary viewpoint.  

by ryanb on Jun 23, 2007 12:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

Listen... no bannination
I really mean it when I say I don't want to go there.  It's like a nuke: a total last resort you do not want to lose.

And thanks.  Clearly, we got pretty mad at one another.  We're both annoyed for our respective reasons.

by Gomez on Jun 23, 2007 12:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

Last post.
I appreciate the forum, you both (you and jeff) should know that.  I know I'm crazy pro-Griffey, and I now know plenty are not.  Here's to an exciting rest of the season, I look forward to the minor league wrap ups Gomez.  All BS aside, you do good work and I'd still read even if banned.  I'm really just a big baseball junkie like you.  

by ryanb on Jun 23, 2007 12:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

No one's getting banned, dude
Even mentioning it was heat of the moment stuff, and even if I wanted to (which again, I don't), Jeff could and would easily undo it.

I appreciate that you read my stuff.  I'm normally far more abrasive in other forums than I am here and what happened here is just highly unusual.  I think I got into it a bit with Jonathan Helfgott over judging prospect psyches, but otherwise I come here to escape that sort of cattiness, so I'm sorry that it came out here en masse.

Please, don't feel threatened or anything.  You're welcome here.

by Gomez on Jun 23, 2007 1:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

Not to worry.
I end up with the final say on admin stuff, and I'm a pussy who doesn't like to ban anyone. Ask Deanna.

by Jeff Sullivan on Jun 23, 2007 12:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

He's the good cop.
Besides, everyone knows a woman is much more dangerous with a banhammer.

by Deanna on Jun 23, 2007 1:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

Also, you're not making this about baseball
You're making this about attacking people for not sharing a belief that Griffey is some sort of god-figure.

by Gomez on Jun 23, 2007 12:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

That's just not true.
I think if you re-read this, you will realize I wasn't attacking, just advancing a different viewpoint.  

by ryanb on Jun 23, 2007 12:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

And you wouldn't let it go
And you argued the point with whoever disagreed with you.

It's a point you can't necessarily even prove, because it's steeped heavily in subjective opinion.

So no, you never intended this to be an innocent, amicable discussion, because if you did, you would've made your point, heard the contrary, and once you saw the impasse, would've said, "Okay," and let it go.

by Gomez on Jun 23, 2007 12:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

Ok man.
I just know that when someone starts insulting me and then says "just let it go" that's kinda lame.  But since you can't see the debate in all of this, I'm tired of trying to have a civil conversation with you. You have some really good points, and it sucks that you are not more open to other's.  

by ryanb on Jun 23, 2007 12:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

Okay
I was willing to do the same, so point out where I insulted you.

by Gomez on Jun 23, 2007 12:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

Douche, Prick, Shut up and go away.
I mean, come on.  I never wanted a confrontation.  You attacked me because you disagreed.  

by ryanb on Jun 23, 2007 12:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

Just one final thought...
Isn't "letting it go" a two-way street?  I mean, I make some comments, and then I get just slammed by you, but I'm supposed to then just let it go?  I guess the point is that we disagree, and we can both let it go, but that probably won't happen if you keep resorting to insulting retorts and ultimatums.  Had you said, "hey ryanb, lets put it to bed" fine.  But what would you do if you were being slammed?  

by ryanb on Jun 23, 2007 12:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

See above
I'm sorry.  We both got real mad about this and other issues.

by Gomez on Jun 23, 2007 12:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

I swear, I'm not looking for a fight.
I really never saw this coming.  Gomez, can we just agree to never discuss Griffey again?  One thing this night has taught me is that this is a very polorizing topic, and it's hard to stay civil when you are emotional, like I think we both are right now.  

by ryanb on Jun 23, 2007 12:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

As invigorating as all this is
is it really necessary?

Ryan loves Griffey and enjoyed the ceremony.

Gomez thought the ceremony was too much, and didn't like how it was being forced down his throat.

...and that's it. That's the disagreement. How on earth did this ever become personal?

by Jeff Sullivan on Jun 23, 2007 12:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

Never intended
Hopefully never again.  Just a huge M's fan, not animosity toward Gomez or anyone else.  And I'm sorry if I came off as an instigator.  

by ryanb on Jun 23, 2007 12:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

Don't worry about it.
You handled yourself fine. I think this is just one of those weird one-time incidents, which makes sense given that it was a weird one-time occasion. I'm sure everything would be said in much better spirits had we not just lost by fifteen.

by Jeff Sullivan on Jun 23, 2007 12:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

Now that you mention it, yes
And not gotten jobbed by the umpires, and so on.

by Gomez on Jun 23, 2007 12:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah.
Ask my desk what I thought about the umpires in the first inning.

As soon as the ceremony ended, this became a most unpleasant evening for all of us.

by Jeff Sullivan on Jun 23, 2007 12:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

Hey look
This is obviously an emotional issue for both of us.  But you did call me a prick, douche, and told me to shut up and go away.  I would love to be able to discuss baseball with you and the other folks here, but if I am too abrasive for you then we move on.  

by ryanb on Jun 23, 2007 12:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

And no
You were not just 'advancing a different viewpoint'.

SO what's your goal at this point?  Are you trying to smear me and get me in trouble?  And before you come back with the tired 'You're doing a good job of that yourself,' seriously... you came right after me from the opening bell and have not let up, and the comment I linked clearly indicates you're looking to take shots.  How am I supposed to buy your last comment?

by Gomez on Jun 23, 2007 12:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

Whoa whoa whoa...
Where is the link to you telling me to shut up and go away?  That is what I responded to.  

by ryanb on Jun 23, 2007 12:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah
That was in response to you keeping on going and going and going and just not letting it rest.  That was not an insult: that was an actual request.  Stop.

by Gomez on Jun 23, 2007 12:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

Interesting
So you think I trolled this thread?  I'm confused.

by ryanhealy on Jun 22, 2007 11:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

Okay, what
You were the one who commented on Slog, weren't you?

by Gomez on Jun 22, 2007 11:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

And this is was meant for me?
Gomez said:  "Also, Ryan at #13, given you've been trolling the Lookout Landing game thread about this very topic and generally being an obnoxious, sanctimonious prick about the whole thing... I don't think you're in any position to look down on anyone."

by ryanhealy on Jun 22, 2007 11:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh, well, whoops
That's what happens when two Ryans target you in a discussion... unless you're flipping back and forth between two accounts, which would be ridiculous.

by Gomez on Jun 23, 2007 12:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

Anyway...
For what it's worth, I suffer no delusions regarding Griffey.  I don't believe for a second he saved baseball in Seattle.  That claim isn't even hyperbole, it's just false.

However, at the risk of repeating myself, I grew up w/ Griffey and have a million great memories where he's either a central figure or at least on the periphery. Now that I'm an adult, I have a hard time getting worked up over pro athletes.  But Griffey is a direct link to my childhood. Getting to cheer for him again tonight reconnected me to that a little bit. It was unexpectedly moving, actually.

I don't expect you to agree or feel the same way.  But because it doesn't take much imagination or intellectual prowess, I expect that you would understand.

Also, I read Slog all the time.  I kind of have to.  But I do my best not to project the patented "Slog shrill" so I don't comment very often.  Tonight was the exception -- the Fat Elvis comment bothered me.  Seemed...well, shrill.

by ryanhealy on Jun 23, 2007 12:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

I was angry when I wrote that
forgive me if it goes astray :P

Yeah, that was mean and off the cuff, and probably why I didn't echo it.  It's in response to a lot of the fans who want the team to try and bring Griffey back, and trust me, many of the fans in those seats would trade for him in a heartbeat.

by Gomez on Jun 23, 2007 12:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

Fair enough.
All is right in the world again.

by ryanhealy on Jun 23, 2007 12:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

Well, not quite
See above.

But between you and I, though, all is relatively well.

by Gomez on Jun 23, 2007 12:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

Heh.
Well, I'm leaving while I'm...even.

by ryanhealy on Jun 23, 2007 12:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'll say one thing about Junior
He sure knows how to cause a lively debate.

:Shits in hand:
:flings it at Graham:

Protect the enviroment, or I'll FUCKING KILL YOU! CAPTAAAAAIIIINNNN PLANNNNET! ~Ted Turner

by Goose on Jun 22, 2007 11:52 PM PDT reply actions  

:Watches Goose:
:Doesn't want to be left out:
:Flings shit at Scruffy:
:Flees scene:

by Robert on Jun 23, 2007 12:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

So these two fat chicks just walked into the
casino, with shirts on that wouldn't fit a women half their size, and they both have tiaras on.

Oh god.

Protect the enviroment, or I'll FUCKING KILL YOU! CAPTAAAAAIIIINNNN PLANNNNET! ~Ted Turner

by Goose on Jun 23, 2007 12:00 AM PDT reply actions  

You should ask them out
Fat girls need love too. You could be the mayo in their love sandwich!

by TheMarinator on Jun 23, 2007 12:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

I've gone porking before.
But even I have my limits.
Protect the enviroment, or I'll FUCKING KILL YOU! CAPTAAAAAIIIINNNN PLANNNNET! ~Ted Turner

by Goose on Jun 23, 2007 12:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

Combined? Or single?
Protect the enviroment, or I'll FUCKING KILL YOU! CAPTAAAAAIIIINNNN PLANNNNET! ~Ted Turner

by Goose on Jun 23, 2007 12:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

I see this going in a really bad direction
Hilariously bad or extremely bad taste bad? IDK, but I don't want to find out!

by TheMarinator on Jun 23, 2007 12:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

A little from column A, a little from column B....
Protect the enviroment, or I'll FUCKING KILL YOU! CAPTAAAAAIIIINNNN PLANNNNET! ~Ted Turner

by Goose on Jun 23, 2007 12:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

When Davis was going to face Griffey for the
3rd time, after giving up six, I was so mad I sarcastically tried to get a "JA-SON DA-VIS" chant going.  People gave me weird looks.  I also chanted "AD-AM JON-ES" whenever Raul sucked.  My dad got mad at me for that.

I'll admit I was happy to see Griffey.  He was my first hero, and as long as we win the next two games, I want to see him hit a home run.  Feierabend got squeezed, but dumbass Mariner fans booed him after he started giving up more runs.  Hopefully the Mariners coaches realize Feier didn't really suck, but rather got really unlucky due to Umpires.

There was this obnoxious Cincy fan behind me.  She kept cheering on Cincy and tapping me on the shoulder saying "Aww, ya doing okay?" when Cincy scored and I was clearly angry.  So I just yelled at no one in particular "Strike out these inbred redneck Cincinnati assholes!  What a shitty city."

She didn't deny it, and kept on going.  Until some guy told her to shut the fuck up, and that she wasn't a good fan, she was just obnoxious.  My dad, being a polite Seattle fan, got in the other guy's face.  I can't believe my dad did that.  If this were a passionate baseball town, someone would've dumped a beer on that dumb bitch.  But once she was told to shut the fuck up, we were able to give each other shit without getting mad at each other again.  God, Seattle fans, including my dad, are retarded.

by BrettJMiller on Jun 23, 2007 12:07 AM PDT reply actions  

Ah man, and here I thought your dad was a cool
guy after talking to him at the LL night.

Come on Bretticus's dad, step it up!

Protect the enviroment, or I'll FUCKING KILL YOU! CAPTAAAAAIIIINNNN PLANNNNET! ~Ted Turner

by Goose on Jun 23, 2007 12:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

wow
"Hopefully the Mariners coaches realize Feier didn't really suck"

You're joking, right?

by seahawk24 on Jun 23, 2007 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

He had a bad day.
Bad enough to run a 6IP, 5ER, 3BB, 3K line,  Not what he did.  He had a bad day, the umps gave him a historically bad day.

by BrettJMiller on Jun 24, 2007 2:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'm so glad I stopped watching.
One of the guys at the ballroom club who usually asks me about my fantasy baseball team said "hey, did you know the Mariners are losing 16-1 right now?" in the middle of a dance and I nearly fell over, since it was like 9-0 when I turned off the game and left.

Other than that, my evening was awesome.  Stupid Mariners :)

by Deanna on Jun 23, 2007 12:19 AM PDT reply actions  

Suuuure, blame it on the Mariners.
Protect the enviroment, or I'll FUCKING KILL YOU! CAPTAAAAAIIIINNNN PLANNNNET! ~Ted Turner

by Goose on Jun 23, 2007 12:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

From Febuary 11th 2000
For Ken Griffey Jr., it was Christmas.

"This is my hometown. This is where I grew up," the younger Griffey said in a Cincinnati news conference. "It doesn't matter how much money you make, it's where you're happiest, and this is where I'll be happiest. It's the moment I've waited for, to play where my dad played."

by Robert on Jun 23, 2007 12:21 AM PDT reply actions  

The thing is
that I'm not sure I buy that he meant it quite like that then, in the same way that I doubt he totally meant Seattle was "home" like he sounded like he said today.

The guy's an entertainer, and he can work a crowd. Not only that, but what the hell else are you gonna say when you're with 40,000+ screaming fans who adore the living crap out of you?

All that said, I still enjoy him, and I wouldn't mind having him back if it made good baseball sense.

by tworsandtwols on Jun 23, 2007 12:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

Fan reaction to the deal
Turns out Griffey was right. It wasn't about money. Turns out it wasn't about loyalty either!

-- Ross Green, Ellensburg

The Mariners brass says they have emotional ties to Griffey. They call him courageous. Gentleman, don't you realize that Griffey has just kicked sand in your face?

-- Roger Gregorich, Kirkland

How could the Mariners trade Griffey for two mediocre players, one nice prospect and a less than so-so prospect? The two first-round picks we would have got could easily turn out as good. This shows very poorly on our area, and says that if you act unreasonably like Bowden did then you get your way. I can't say how upset I am with Howard Lincoln (aka Mr. Double Speak), and lesser so with Pat Gillick (seems like he was forced into it).

Forget the Mariners, and forget Safeco -- I've had it.

-- Daniel Bosco

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/baseball/grifx.shtml

by Robert on Jun 23, 2007 12:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

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