6/10: Open Game Thread

Ichiro CF Giles 2B Lopez 2B Cruz RF Guillen RF Gonzalez 1B Ibanez LF Bard C Sexson 1B Cammy CF Betancourt E-6 Kouzmanoff 3B Burke C Greene SS Ballgame 3B Sledge LF King Felix P Young P ---------- ----------
Hernandez (3-3, 4.40) Young (6-3, giant)
Assuming Jamie Burke gets the start today, we're going to have a potent bench trifecta consisting of a 137 OPS+, a 114 OPS+, and a spherical fatass batting .289. After Adrian Gonzalez and Jose Cruz, the Padres don't have a single starter with an OPS+ over 94 or a batting average over .276. I know it's generally not polite to laugh at the misfortune of others, but in this case, how can you not?
Of course, all it takes is a handful of predictable four-seamers for Felix to make even the sorriest bat look powerful, so uh, no dicking around today, kid. We don't have the breathing room.
LET'S GO MARINERS!!
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Go M's
I will settle for the no-4seam-establishment route though, a solid outing, and an M's win.
In MVP 05 I had that happen to me.
Top or bottom?
by Coach Owens on Jun 10, 2007 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions
Oh Jeff
Here's their game preview from yesterday:
I hate the American League. The designated hitter rule, the lack of strategy, the pompous fans, the lazy pitchers and the Mariners, ugh it makes me physically ill. The Mariners should just forfeit this series and save us all a lot of time.
Seriously, I can't believe we lower ourselves by playing a Little League team like this. It's like George Clooney dumpster diving with Britney Spears. It's disgusting and nobody wants to see it.
by TheMarinator on Jun 10, 2007 10:41 AM PDT reply actions
Jeff linked to it yesterday.
by Susheel Ramasahayam on Jun 10, 2007 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions
Still don't understand "lazy pitchers"
And pompous fans? Um, they refer to their league as the senior circuit, and not because of the San Francisco Giants outfield.
Uhh...unicorns?
how do you post a youtube about unicorns
By the end of interleague play this year
Holy cow.
Man, I wish we could sometimes throw our pitchers into our starting batting order in Yahoo...
Also from around the league
Still in the bottom of the 5th
And the Angels are winning 3-1
by Coach Owens on Jun 10, 2007 12:02 PM PDT up reply actions
It's tied 3-3 now.
Jered Weaver meet Albert Pujols
Albert with a two run homer.
Jered Weaver meet clubhouse shower.
Beltre?
His arm and hand
by TheMarinator on Jun 10, 2007 12:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Punishment for the throwing error
by Bearskin Rugburn on Jun 10, 2007 12:31 PM PDT reply actions
No kidding
Who posted the lineups?
I hate waiting for Felix Day to commence.
by bpdawg24 on Jun 10, 2007 12:45 PM PDT reply actions
They just said on the pregame show that Felix has
Curt Young, Dave?
WOOT!
Don't forget Spilborghs
PU PU PU PU PU
/crushes ball, sun comes up in morning
Happy Felix Day!
He's only walked 3 batters
by JI on Jun 10, 2007 1:16 PM PDT up reply actions
NOOOOOOOOOOOO!
And Jose Guillen's strikeout binge continues.
Seems like Guillen
Whew! Guillen blown down by an 86 fastball.
Or maybe the gun is off.
/sarcasm
Followed by 2nd,3rd, 4th, and 5th pitch fastball.
6 straight fastballs.
Command ain't there on the first batter.
Hopefully the Padres offense sucks more than Felix's approach.
2nd batter..
Second curveball
Third fastball
0-2
Please, please keep doing this.
How long till we fire Chaves?
I don't have much of a problem with Chaves
Crap shoulda been a DP
by TheMarinator on Jun 10, 2007 1:18 PM PDT reply actions
Fucking hit and run
Good approach 1
Bad approach 0
It's slow. Young's fastball was like 87.
It has been a little wacky so far.
2 straight fastballs
There we go.
Well, that was a bit better.
Two fastballs on the outside corner
by Graham MacAree on Jun 10, 2007 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions
K
Oh, and it was on a breaking ball. What a shocker.
2 straight fastballs
2-0 fastball middle-in
I don't think this blog
We better not hit 1000
given we're already close to 200
thats the way to go
by Susheel Ramasahayam on Jun 10, 2007 1:22 PM PDT reply actions
Swung at ball 4
by TheMarinator on Jun 10, 2007 1:22 PM PDT reply actions
Note to Felix:
You also got a K on a slider and a weak comebacker on a changeup.
Does that tell you anything?
Honestly...
So yeah, very unlikely.
by BrettJMiller on Jun 10, 2007 1:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Hooray for bad hitting!
I don't care if he throws all fastballs
by Susheel Ramasahayam on Jun 10, 2007 1:24 PM PDT reply actions
It's not so much that his fastball sucks
I don't think its that
Anybody see the ESPN power rankings?
Forgot the link...
You actually pay attention to those?
Pay attention? Sometimes.
Chris Young's fastest pitch so far
Richie Sexson:Hits lots of flyballs.
Result:Groundball.
NBC's Fall lineup doesn't include The Apprentice.
(I hope nobody here watches Bill Maher)
Acutally Trump's
That bridge looks like the one in Anchorman.
Oh yeah. More two-seamers.
I want Felix to walk to first base
That was a fastball Blowers.
Me like Chuck Meriwether.
High Fastball in a little bit.

Oh he totally went.
I want a curve.
I think it's slider time.
OH! Who just totally called that??
Comment from on USSM:
lol
I mean comment on USSM.
The USSM comments are stupid now.
Are USSM readers really that dumb now?
by BrettJMiller on Jun 10, 2007 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions
He was out.
It's the pitcher. Now you can throw fastballs if
Chris Young runs like a gazelle
by TheMarinator on Jun 10, 2007 1:38 PM PDT reply actions
The giant is ssssssllllllllloooooooowwwwwwwwwww.
It's amazing how well nicknames
Which reminds me...
Best moment ever
And an excellent example of exactly that.
Mmmm. Nachos
And, I'd hang glide right there, too.
Hahaha goliath.
Tom Lampkin says hello.
Ohhhh
Dan Wilson fans are forming a lynch mob as we speak.
by TheMarinator on Jun 10, 2007 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions
No-Hitter over!
I just realized
Time for a Felix RBI!
Wow, that was really stupid.
WFB!
Willie Bloomquist
mlb.tv
Felix don't want to bunt.
Felix GIDP on a bunt?
So the master plan is working
I get to swing if I get to 0-2
/fouls pitch off
/fouls pitch off
FELIX GOT A HIT!!!!
HAHA!
An infield hit!
FELIX!
I believe so
by TheMarinator on Jun 10, 2007 1:49 PM PDT up reply actions
That just made my day.
Congrats on your first hit Felix.
I'd have liked to see an Ichiro bunt.
Felix to Ichiro
God I love the Padres announcers
Ichri SB!
That would be, IchIRO
Goddamnit Willie.
Bloomquist you're an idiot.
Nevermind, Jose got the 2nd base.
There would of been an out on the play
Fuck you WFB.
Jeepers, Blowers
Guillen forgot how to hit a fastball
by Susheel Ramasahayam on Jun 10, 2007 1:55 PM PDT reply actions
Time to move Guillen down in the order.
Maybe 1 will be enough
by TheMarinator on Jun 10, 2007 1:55 PM PDT reply actions
You suck Gullien.
Goddamn that was sad.
The only run we scored was on a FELIX BUNT.
Any word on why Beltre has the day off?
by Dylan @ Lookout Landing on Jun 10, 2007 1:56 PM PDT reply actions
Sore elbow because of the HBP.
Elbow that was hit the other day.
by BrettJMiller on Jun 10, 2007 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions
There's the Yu-Bet we want to see.
Betancourt w. a good defensive play
I'm surprised those 3 Reds games aren't sold out
by TheMarinator on Jun 10, 2007 1:58 PM PDT reply actions
Carrasco had struck out Pujols on 3 pitches
HAHAHAHA!!!
by JI on Jun 10, 2007 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Damn you Cruz.
10 Bucks says...
Have they stayed best friends?
I believe so.
by PositivePaul on Jun 10, 2007 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Does anybody know what kind of ceremony
I've been waiting 8 years for this day and bought tickets on the first day I could. I can't wait.
Doubt it.
Probably just a huge round of applause and standing o's when he comes to the plate for the first time...
by PositivePaul on Jun 10, 2007 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions
I think they're advertising something happening
Much much much better.
Low pitch innings are tremend
by TheMarinator on Jun 10, 2007 1:59 PM PDT reply actions
GB+K Felix > mediocre command.
Felix is cruising.
I can't get over the hit and run with Burke
by Susheel Ramasahayam on Jun 10, 2007 2:01 PM PDT reply actions
Yeah, it was really stupid.
All of a sudden I hate him less now.
Wasn't that the same run homer
Uh, Raul...
kthxbye.
GRRRR
Wow.
As advertised
Finally, a pitchers duel that turns out to be a pitchers duel.
by TheMarinator on Jun 10, 2007 2:05 PM PDT reply actions
I hate Taco Bell's quesadilla commercial
by Susheel Ramasahayam on Jun 10, 2007 2:05 PM PDT reply actions
I hate Taco Bell period.
Last time I ate at Taco Hell
by TheMarinator on Jun 10, 2007 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Who <em>doesn't</em> like
Stupid tag
I like all these non-fastballs
by TheMarinator on Jun 10, 2007 2:08 PM PDT reply actions
Fastball-Homer
Must've been a 2-seamer then.
by BrettJMiller on Jun 10, 2007 2:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Fuck you Mike Cameron
God dammit.
That's such fucking bullshit
by bpdawg24 on Jun 10, 2007 2:10 PM PDT reply actions
The slide-piece the pitch before
by bpdawg24 on Jun 10, 2007 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Now he's throwing all fastballs.
YuBet!!
by TheMarinator on Jun 10, 2007 2:12 PM PDT reply actions
Well at least he hasn't lost it with the next
Yeah, that confused me too.
Oh, and good Yu-Bet is awesome with the mitt.
God, I hate ex-Mariners.
FUCK SLEDGE
Fuck this.
Tv off, on to the D-backs.
It's called jumping Ibanez
I wanna see that four-seamer from Felix
Despite that HR not being on a fastball
I don't get it.
That's because Felix's 4-seamer
by BrettJMiller on Jun 10, 2007 2:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Concerning
by TheMarinator on Jun 10, 2007 2:15 PM PDT reply actions
Uh, Felix...
Jeepers, dude. Grow up already! You're getting on my shit list again...
Sledge hit a change
by bpdawg24 on Jun 10, 2007 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Even so, Raul should've caught it.
by BrettJMiller on Jun 10, 2007 2:19 PM PDT up reply actions
True.
by PositivePaul on Jun 10, 2007 2:19 PM PDT up reply actions
For a while I was real impressed with
Why does God hate this
Olives Mayo Feta Garlic
Sugar Honey Iced Tea
Meanwhile, Randy Johnson, who actually knows how
why wouldn't you pitch him there?
Even Willie should make contact
by BrettJMiller on Jun 10, 2007 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Definitely
I'm also officially joining the
Seriously, he would've jumped for that ball.
Raul for DH; Vidro to bench & DH vs. Lefties; Jones for LF...
Free Adam Jones!
I think we all want that
Only 1 way it happens
Yeah, it's a shame Ibby is so well-thought of
You suck Bloomquist.
God Willie sucks.
Well let's be honest...
by BrettJMiller on Jun 10, 2007 2:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Just like Ibanez, Willie is undeservingly loved.
Morse isn't a good enough hitter
He's a right handed Raul at best.
by JI on Jun 10, 2007 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, well Willie is
Bloomquist you cunt!
by John Morgan @ Lookout Landing on Jun 10, 2007 2:22 PM PDT reply actions
Impotent Willie.
Angels lose.
It's times like this I wish we had
I think if he had a little bit of practice
Felix is seeing more pitches
Felix
by anky on Jun 10, 2007 2:31 PM PDT reply actions
I don't think he has as much confidence in it
Hmm.
by PositivePaul on Jun 10, 2007 2:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Well, the pitch Sledge hit for a HR
by anky on Jun 10, 2007 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Alright, at the very least,
by bpdawg24 on Jun 10, 2007 2:35 PM PDT reply actions
Got lucky there Ichiro.
*LAUGH*
This would be a good time for an Ibby FB
God we suck.
Damn...
Holy cow.
I was just looking at that box score
Caught looking mother fucker.
its really bad..
I think Felix is done now.
He's at 92 pitches.
by BrettJMiller on Jun 10, 2007 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions
I think pitch count is over-rated.
Well, Reitsma is warming up
But when it's all said and done
Yeah,
Don't be silly.
by BrettJMiller on Jun 10, 2007 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions
God, Yuni
by anky on Jun 10, 2007 2:54 PM PDT reply actions
3-3,
And Burke finds another hole.
I hate you Hargrove.
You suck Bloomquist.
I agree but
Beltre could play for a couple of innings
WHY THE FUCK DID WILLIE BAT???
Well shit.
Clutch time Ichi.
We love you for that Ben
by TheMarinator on Jun 10, 2007 3:01 PM PDT reply actions
Sweet
2-0!
Might not be a bad idea to walk Ichiro
by TheMarinator on Jun 10, 2007 3:02 PM PDT reply actions
2-1 count and I'm scared.
Hmmm.
We have to keep him around.
Jamie Burke is my new favorite Mariner!!
I'm on board for the cult of Burke!
by TheMarinator on Jun 10, 2007 3:03 PM PDT reply actions
ICHIRO!
What a freakin' slide.
by John Morgan @ Lookout Landing on Jun 10, 2007 3:04 PM PDT reply actions
Safe on the replay too.
Reed was right there.
Glad we have a different HP ump...
Imagine wht they can do?
by Susheel Ramasahayam on Jun 10, 2007 3:06 PM PDT up reply actions
And once they learn that Bloomquist
Crap no Putz today
WE NEED AT LEAST 2 MORE RUNS!
by TheMarinator on Jun 10, 2007 3:05 PM PDT reply actions
Let's take the lead here
by anky on Jun 10, 2007 3:05 PM PDT reply actions
Bard missed that tag barely
That slide was 10x grittier than anything Boom-
by John Morgan @ Lookout Landing on Jun 10, 2007 3:06 PM PDT reply actions
It's still tied boys and girls
Jamie Feckin' Burke!
And folks complain that Gritty Gritterson deserves more playing time? How about JB for DH?
Kudos to Burke and Ben
Get rid of the Willie articles and write some stuff about that seattle media!
Too bad we are in the NL
by Dylan @ Lookout Landing on Jun 10, 2007 3:06 PM PDT reply actions
Okay, so I know wins are a crapyp statistic
Or does Broussard get it?
by tworsandtwols on Jun 10, 2007 3:07 PM PDT reply actions
Ok guys,
by tworsandtwols on Jun 10, 2007 3:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Moot point now lol
That's even more unsafe!
by BrettJMiller on Jun 10, 2007 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions
I know the feeling.
Broussard should go in for Guillen
Nope
by Susheel Ramasahayam on Jun 10, 2007 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh boy.
Please keep the ball down, Chris.
Infinity Billion Dollars.
by BrettJMiller on Jun 10, 2007 3:13 PM PDT up reply actions
that was outside
So many flat pitches up in the zone.
Oakland's winning even though they have 1 run
Why is Batista warming up??
It's his throw day.
by BrettJMiller on Jun 10, 2007 3:16 PM PDT up reply actions
Miguel Batista warming up?!?!?
Um
by Dylan @ Lookout Landing on Jun 10, 2007 3:19 PM PDT up reply actions
Sherrill?
new idea
I fucking hate the Oakland A's.
by Dylan @ Lookout Landing on Jun 10, 2007 3:18 PM PDT reply actions
Jamie Burke Story
Michigan pitcher with a no no
Ok Mariners you need more than one run today
Leadoff single by Guillen.
I SAID PINCH RUN FOR HIS ASS!!
Finally.
I hate
by anky on Jun 10, 2007 3:23 PM PDT reply actions
Another terrific game on ESPN right now,
by bpdawg24 on Jun 10, 2007 3:23 PM PDT reply actions
Good thing that was slowly hit.
3-0 to Richie
BB!
Mission accomplished!
by BrettJMiller on Jun 10, 2007 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions
How about extending your HS Yuni?
Jamie we might have to rely on you.
Burke!
Rosie O'Donnell
Awwwwww.
I thought he had another parachute hit!
Because if Miggy gives up just one run
Another extra innings game?
The NL just brought it all out of us.
by TheMarinator on Jun 10, 2007 3:29 PM PDT reply actions
Damn.
I'd leave him in
And this just shows you how far apart
It's his throw day.
by BrettJMiller on Jun 10, 2007 3:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Miggy pitching.
Why is Miguel Batista in there now?
Morrow probably not coming in
It's his god damn throw day
by BrettJMiller on Jun 10, 2007 3:33 PM PDT up reply actions
I thought pitching out of the bullpen
Stop throwing 88, Miguel.
by anky on Jun 10, 2007 3:32 PM PDT reply actions
Uh oh.
its that goddamn Cleveland game
We just had a day off
This would be fine if we didn't DL Huber
by BrettJMiller on Jun 10, 2007 3:35 PM PDT up reply actions
As much as I like Hell's Bells.
Josh Bard is the captain?
Why isn't Sherrill pitching
by anky on Jun 10, 2007 3:36 PM PDT reply actions
Caught looking again!
Oakland gives up 0 runs today
Cammy up
Good job tits
by TheMarinator on Jun 10, 2007 3:37 PM PDT reply actions
YES!
alright!
Oh and I think going to Batista was a solid move by grover, it's a long road trip, you cant use everyone up in this series. Plus it was Miguel's throw day, why not let him pitch?
Beltre-Kenji-Ichiro should come up.
Not a save situation for Hoffman
by TheMarinator on Jun 10, 2007 3:40 PM PDT reply actions
Fucking Willie again
One of my least favorite things about Willie
It's cool that he just got on base, though. I'm okay with that.
Thanks asshat!!
by TheMarinator on Jun 10, 2007 3:42 PM PDT reply actions
Willie has another scratch hit.
Vidro sacrifices
by TheMarinator on Jun 10, 2007 3:42 PM PDT reply actions
OK Jo-Lo
Willie!
Why would JJ warm up!?!
run scores!!
not the best possible outcome
You know why the Padres
Not exactly the way i wanted you to do it
do they use putz now?
Ok, I gotta give Willie some credit
by anky on Jun 10, 2007 3:46 PM PDT reply actions
Crap. Could've used that insurance run.
Putz with the bottom of the order
by TheMarinator on Jun 10, 2007 3:47 PM PDT reply actions
Here comes Putz
Morrow and Sherril are awesome
why not try Sherrill
That takes a lot of unconventional thinking so, yeah. Won't happen.
Is bringing in JJ for the third straight day
There is no way
And no one saw this team being 7 games over .500
Baek.
There are worse hitters..
by BrettJMiller on Jun 10, 2007 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions
Wow.
by Rollo Tomasi on Jun 10, 2007 4:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Putz woooooooo!
M's WIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Holy crap
by BlowerPower on Jun 10, 2007 3:54 PM PDT reply actions
Mariners win The Mariners win
Holy Shit
3
Looks like the Sports Gods
7/500
Jamie Moyer got pounded today
But he's still better then Weaver
My favorite part
So yeah, in review.
-I love Burke, I think he's our second best backup catcher of all-time behind Tom Lampkin.
-Ichiro is definitly the face of the Mariners. A stolen base and the game tying hit? Resign him now Bavasi.
-Willie sucks.
bah. Leave ballgame alone this time.
Yeah but his GIDP
Baseball is starting to be fun again
by BlowerPower on Jun 10, 2007 4:01 PM PDT reply actions
*AL Central is the best division in baseball.
The AL Central is below .500
by Graham MacAree on Jun 10, 2007 4:09 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm talking about overall ability.
Well, the AL West is better than any NL division
The M's/A's/Angels
by dz on Jun 10, 2007 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions
I am considering jumping
by dz on Jun 10, 2007 4:02 PM PDT reply actions
This really was perfect timing.
by BlowerPower on Jun 10, 2007 4:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Cubs series
Momentum has us...
Damn that sucks
Also, why does everyone say we can't beat Cleveland, on the baseball roadtrip I was just on, they lost to Cinci and KC, so... looking pretty beatable
To top things off
by dz on Jun 10, 2007 4:06 PM PDT reply actions
How come after playing the A's in April
Holy shit we won?!? And Batista got the W?
And they helped the D-Backs get back into first place in the process.
Reading Gaslamps gamethread is hilarious
They don't field very well, with the exeption of their closer their bully is below average, they run the bases like the Bad News Bears...and we're on the verge of being swept by these guys at home."
Our bullpen is below average? News to me. And for how good your bullpen is, it's pretty much the single reason why you got your asses handed to you.
"Honkytonk
Badonkadonk"
Kill yourself. Getting swept is what you get for posting that in a game thread. That's almost as bad as "Git er dun"
And of course, from my evil counterpart:
"i really hate the mariners
as of now, i really and truly hate them. because when we beat them, it's not that satisfying. it's not like beating the dodgers, d-bags, or giants--and there isn't the satisfaction of beating a good NL team we might face in the playoffs. and when we lose to the mariners, it's just frustrating beyond belief. we lose to the mets or braves and i figure, get 'em next time. get 'em in the playoffs. you lose to the mariners and...you've lost to the mariners. agh. it drives me insane."
Can we please make that
by Babar @ Lookout Landing on Jun 10, 2007 6:03 PM PDT up reply actions
It's not ours though. And since we aren't playing
man, it must be a So Cal thing
Although I can't really blame them, getting swept at home always sucks.
totally O/T here
I saw that earlier
Uh, he obviously didn't, dumbass. Lilly also looked pretty nonplussed for a guy who had it out for Renteria.
And then Renteria clobbered the rookie SS on his steal of second anyway, and then didn't get tossed. What horseshit. Seriously, fuck the Braves and fuck that ump.
Gaslamp Ball people
I'm starting too, but that has more to do with a
rimshot
by Rollo Tomasi on Jun 10, 2007 6:37 PM PDT up reply actions
they take alot of rivalries pretty seriously
By the way, long time lurker, first time poster, love the blog. Go M's.
Now they're going on about how unicorns are
Wow...just...wow.
Chicks dig Unicorns
Not any that I know.
heh... they really hate the Moose

Also, it's time to give Mike Hargrove some due.
I second that emotion.
by Rollo Tomasi on Jun 10, 2007 6:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Actually it did
His bullpen usage
Simple explainantion
by AnotherAaron on Jun 10, 2007 9:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, that's pretty crazy.
But, hey, it worked out. And with the team not getting enough days off, sure, that's not a bad idea at all.
our last 2 losses
obviously an L is an L and we've probably won a few games we've had no business winning, but man 33-26 could easily be 35-24. Fucking Kenny Lofton.
oh and Prince Fielder just hit his 23 homer. Beltre leads the M's with 9,lol.
At least we don't play the Rockies this year
Dont click this
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/forum/boards/viewtopic.asp?topicID=106195
Apparently, Felix sucks.
You know what the saddest thing about that thread
This:
"yeah cause the 2nd best offense in baseball certainly won't give him run support....."
No, the saddest thing is that
by Mariner John on Jun 10, 2007 7:37 PM PDT up reply actions
This is why I don't read that forum.
Gaslamp ball is getting ugly
JJ with the best WPA for relievers
number 2??
Rafael Soriano with a 2.46 WPA
Hargrove getting better, still hate Bavasi.
by Rollo Tomasi on Jun 10, 2007 7:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Can't completely hate the guy
He has had his terrible moves and good moves and we should mention both
by Scruffy Lefty on Jun 10, 2007 8:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Yes, but...
by Rollo Tomasi on Jun 10, 2007 8:37 PM PDT up reply actions

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