Horacio Ramirez:
Also one of the worst starting pitchers in Mariner history.
14 strikeouts and 18 walks so far in 38.2 innings, along with the lowest groundball rate of his career.
And he's all ours for a few years, at the low low price of one of the best relievers in baseball.
Time for his sorry ass to go away forever.
1:02pm Update: Ramirez yanked from game after two innings with what's probably an injury. We may be getting our wish.
1:17pm Update: Ho gone with "tightness in his left shoulder." Hopefully of the significant and incapacitating variety.
1:23pm Update: Sean White also needs to go away forever.
1:30pm Update: Carlos Garcia...well it might be easier to make a list of Mariners who *don't* need to go away forever.
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Can we try...
by MarkE on May 24, 2007 12:38 PM PDT 0 recs
It's vulgar, but it's how I feel:
by Thingray on May 24, 2007 12:40 PM PDT 0 recs
I know you're going to hate me for this.
Pitcher B: 0-2, 13.17
A is Ho at home. B is Ho on the road.
Man.
(yeah, his peripherals still suck although they suck a LOT less at home than on the road as well, 1HR/7BB/9K in 24.2 innings at home vs. 2HR/9BB/5K in 13.2 innings on the road)
by Deanna on May 24, 2007 12:59 PM PDT 0 recs
Soriano vs. Ho
Ho 38.1inn 6.10 era, b4 today's game
great trade Bavasi...........
by Brohan on May 24, 2007 1:02 PM PDT 0 recs
I guess Hargrove feels the same way
by Nuss on May 24, 2007 1:03 PM PDT 0 recs
Thank Fucking God.
A guy can hope right?
by TyranT on May 24, 2007 1:10 PM PDT 0 recs
hope for rotator cuff tear
by azruavatar on
May 24, 2007 2:28 PM PDT
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Hoping for injuries is bad karma
by Gomez on
May 24, 2007 2:33 PM PDT
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Is it still bad karma
by Jeff on
May 24, 2007 2:39 PM PDT
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Horacio plays for us?
by Matthew on
May 24, 2007 2:42 PM PDT
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No, that's Bavasi
by Rollo Tomasi on
May 24, 2007 2:43 PM PDT
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Careful what you wish for.
by eponymous coward on May 24, 2007 1:14 PM PDT 0 recs
Lehr's 5-0 with a 2.44 ERA.
Since Jake Woods is basically HoRam's Caucasian cousin (lefty with completely pedestrian stuff), I think I will pray for the other guys, though Feierabend's really the only one I think has a shot of being > 5th starter fodder.
by eponymous coward on
May 24, 2007 1:19 PM PDT
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Woods > Ho
by Jeff on
May 24, 2007 1:21 PM PDT
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Campillo's pitched here before...
I dunno, 5-0 with a shiny ERA in Tacoma (even though the periperhals aren't THAT good) likely gets you the callup, especially when Woods is looking like a pile of suck.
And go look at HoRam and Woods in the minors. Tell me you can pick those guys apart. They're both in the John Halama class of "LHP with zero stuff who really belongs in garbage relief/spot starting/AAA". The difference is Woods hasn't had the sample size to start sucking yet like HoRam or Halama.
Lehr's got better control than both of them, and I'm fine with him as the callup (though he's also not anything more than a Baek/Franklin style 5th starter).
by eponymous coward on
May 24, 2007 1:36 PM PDT
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I'm not saying I wouldn't prefer Campillo/Lehr
As for Woods, he's already been up once this year, he's throwing strikes and missing bats in AAA, and the near 2/1 K/BB he put up in eight starts last season probably bought him another look. He's a fair upgrade over Ramirez.
by Jeff on
May 24, 2007 1:46 PM PDT
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How do you miss bats with a 6.17 ERA?
Granted, he's not Parquetastic like HoRam was, but...
eh. I suppose you're right. I have no confidence that Woods represents much of an upgrade on HoRam, though.
by eponymous coward on
May 24, 2007 1:52 PM PDT
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Well, yeah.
by Jeff on
May 24, 2007 1:55 PM PDT
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Wow.
If Jake Woods is better than anyone, then that person must really, really, really suck...
by PositivePaul on
May 24, 2007 1:53 PM PDT
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Well, that and.
Which, of course, were Weaver to go away, as he should, or Ho-Ram to go on the 60-day DL, which we'll know soon, wouldn't be too difficult to deal with...
by PositivePaul on
May 24, 2007 1:38 PM PDT
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Easy...
by eponymous coward on
May 24, 2007 1:45 PM PDT
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When the choice is between Hepatitis
by Rollo Tomasi on
May 24, 2007 2:09 PM PDT
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I've been a Mariners fan for nearly twenty years..
It's one thing to be bad, it's another thing to be stupid, but it's something else entirely, something far worse, to be bad, stupid and with little hope for the future.
Ms in 201?
by John Morgan on May 24, 2007 2:00 PM PDT 0 recs
I'm sick of all this "no hope" talk.
by Rollo Tomasi on
May 24, 2007 2:08 PM PDT
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Bet has very little upside, Triunfel is at least
by John Morgan on
May 24, 2007 2:22 PM PDT
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Very little upside?
Johjima could be 63 and as long as he kept putting up an .800+ OPS I wouldn't care. By the time he starts declining Clement should be ready to replace him.
Ichiro will stay if the higher-ups show a commitment to winning by canning Bavasi and Hargrove's sorry asses. If he leaves, Adam Jones should be ready to replace him.
Beltre doesn't need to "break out;" between his offense and his defense he was a very effective player last year and probably will wind up the same this year.
Washburn is a fine #3, we just need to find a decent #2.
It is very possible to obtain good starting pitching through trades and free agency, you just have to be smarter and/or luckier than Bill Bavasi to do it.
The Angels' prospects are overrated. Remember Dallas MacPherson?
by Rollo Tomasi on
May 24, 2007 2:32 PM PDT
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Seriously.
by PositivePaul on
May 24, 2007 2:37 PM PDT
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I appreciate your optimism, I just don't share it.
by John Morgan on
May 24, 2007 2:38 PM PDT
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I don't know if his statement
by Gomez on
May 24, 2007 2:26 PM PDT
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Little hope for the future?
by Goose on
May 24, 2007 2:17 PM PDT
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I think he mean...
by SethGrandpa on
May 24, 2007 2:20 PM PDT
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"tightness in his left shoulder"
by InSpokane on May 24, 2007 3:32 PM PDT 0 recs
Well there is no reason to think we cant win this
What was up with that rally monkey?
by apalach007 on May 24, 2007 4:27 PM PDT 0 recs
If he is injured, how long do you think
by Edgar for Pres on May 24, 2007 4:57 PM PDT 0 recs
Velocity? Control? Has he shown either one?
by Thingray on
May 24, 2007 5:04 PM PDT
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velocity yes, control not so much
elbow injury -> loss of control, no loss in velocity
by Matthew on
May 24, 2007 6:30 PM PDT
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well, based on his K/BB numbers
by Matthew on
May 25, 2007 12:30 AM PDT
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I don't know
by Edgar for Pres on
May 25, 2007 12:44 AM PDT
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Is the AL West really that much better?
by Edgar for Pres on
May 25, 2007 9:59 AM PDT
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Yeah, the AL's a fair bit better.
by Jeff on
May 25, 2007 10:32 AM PDT
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Maybe i'm the last non-believer
by Edgar for Pres on
May 25, 2007 10:43 AM PDT
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you think?
by Matthew on
May 26, 2007 11:35 PM PDT
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OH FUCK!
by Edgar for Pres on May 25, 2007 10:31 AM PDT 0 recs
I think it's likely
However, if Bill et al actually believe what they're saying, and they think Weaver really was injuried and can get better, we could well see him once or twice more.
by Llewdor on
May 25, 2007 11:11 AM PDT
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I dunno, dudes
Remember, buzz among the blogosphere was that Hargrove was gone after the 2006 season, and so many people were absolutely certain of that. And here he is to this day.
In other words, I would not be surprised to see Weaver take HoRam's next turn in the rotation. I won't like it, but I'm not about to believe it's not a possibility until I see them DL HoRam and call up Jake Woods (who BTW isn't all that better).
by Gomez on
May 25, 2007 11:20 AM PDT
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I would think they'd at least send him on a
by Thingray on
May 25, 2007 12:48 PM PDT
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