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The Precipitous Decline Of Raul Ibanez

A few weeks ago, when I was making player evaluations based on early-season statistical trends, I had this to say about our everyday left fielder and Mariner For Life:

On the one hand, we've been saying that he's due to decline for a while, now. On the other, I don't think any of us expected this to happen after the most productive season of Raul's career. While my initial impression was that Raul's bat has gotten slow, the data doesn't bear that out - he's actually making contact more often than he did in 2006. With someone whose bat has noticeably slowed (think Edgar towards the end), the numbers trend the other way. No, instead of a slow bat, I think Raul's problem is that he's getting fed more strikes than he ever has as an everyday player. Pitchers are getting ahead of him more often, forcing him to go to a defensive swing that yields substantially worse results. I don't think this is repeatable. Ibanez will get into better counts as the season wears on, and he'll start making pitchers pay more often as a results. He won't post his 2006 line again, but he'll produce.

Verdict: Unsustainable

At that writing, Ibanez was putting up a .224/.260/.328 batting line in 67 AB's. Since then, he's had 72 at bats and hit .306/.359/.389. While he's technically improved, it's all singles, thanks to a line drive rate that's regressing to the mean after an early season slump. The major problem is still there: our "left-handed sock" doesn't have any pop in his bat. Raul only has one home run and nine extra-base hits after 36 games, while a year ago at the same point he had three and 16. Where a better lineup might be able to hide his inadequacy, this one badly needs him to hit for power, and he just isn't doing it. So what's up?

When I wrote the quote above, I thought this was all just a sample size fluke. Even though his bat looked slow to the eye, the numbers didn't appear to bear it out; rather, it seemed like Raul was just getting into too many bad hitter's counts. As it turns out, though, that isn't really the case at all. Check out the following distribution of PA's by count, 2007 vs. career:

If you look at the standard bad hitter's counts - 0-1, 0-2, 1-2, maybe 2-2 - Raul is either at or below his career frequency in each. He's only gotten into a two-strike count 40% of the time so far this year, as opposed to 47% for his career. He's actually getting into more hitter-friendly counts than usual; 1-0, 2-0, 2-1, 3-1 - these are all up across the board. In theory, he should be having a terrific season.

Here's the problem: Raul isn't taking advantage of those hitter's counts once he gets into them. Observe:

When ending an at bat with a 1-0, 2-0, 2-1, or 3-1 count, Raul's hitting .300/.400/.417, which isn't real good when you consider that he can't strike out. In those same situations over his career, he's hit .365/.449/.646. You see the difference? The problem isn't that Raul isn't getting into enough favorable counts - it's that, once he gets into them, he still can't do anything.

Here's another way of looking at things:

After first-pitch ball, career: .302/.395/.512
After first-pitch ball, 2007: .283/.356/.340

Even when he knows he's going to get a hittable pitch, the worst Raul can do right now is slap a single (not unlike our starting DH) (or our starting CF). This is a substantial change from prior seasons, when he was a power-hitting run producer in the middle of the lineup capable of taking advantage of the short porch in right field. These days, it's like he's barely hitting his fly balls 300 feet.

So what happened to him? Obviously, I have no way of being sure, but my hypothesis is that his bat has slowed way down, and that he's just treating it differently than you'd expect him to. When guys like Frank Thomas and Mark McGwire saw their bat speeds dip (I'm thinking of injured Thomas in 2005), they started loading up and swinging from the heels, sacrificing contact for power. They knew they couldn't get around on everything like they used to, so they waited for a hittable pitch and tried to beat the crap out of it.

Raul, I think, is taking the opposite approach - to me, it seems like he's compensating by beginning his swing earlier, and then adjusting it in the middle if he has to in order to make contact. I think he knows that his slow bat makes him a strikeout threat, so he tries to put the ball in play before he gets too deep in the count. That'd explain why his contact rate is up while his walks, strikeouts, and pitches/PA are way down. In an organization that loathes strikeouts, and spending most of his time batting in front of Richie Sexson, I don't think Ibanez really wants to take the all-or-nothing approach of some of his predecessors. Given a choice, he's instead trying to stave off old age by turning himself into a contact hitter. It'll help keep his batting average respectable, but save for rare occasions, it means he's deliberately sacrificing most of his power.

So where do we go from here? Nowhere good, I'm afraid, unless I'm totally wrong and this is still just an early-season fluke. If Raul's bat really has lost its speed (that 2.1% HR/FB is dismal), then there's no getting it back, and there's no way he's going to try to become an all-or-nothing hitter as long as Sexson's in the same lineup. So if that's the case, then this is what we get to deal with through the end of his contract next October. As long as he's hitting singles, he's not a total waste of space, but he's awful close, and not having a left-handed power threat is just killing this lineup.

I don't think I am, but for the sake of the Mariners, I hope I'm dead wrong about Ibanez here. It wouldn't be the first time.

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A hidden negative about Weaver
Is that his early season suckitude has distracted people from the other problems on the team. Ramirez has been a big one, but to a lesser extent, so has Raul.

We've been doubting Ibanez since he returned to the club prior to the 2004 seasons, and I think he'll eventually prove his wrong again.

Raul seems to be a smart guy, and we shouldn't put it past him to figure out a new & effective approach. He's already made adjustments since last year. If he isn't satisfied with his current line of production, I'm sure he'll try new techniques out, until he finds success.

Excellent write up, Jeff.

by Katal LM on May 18, 2007 2:46 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I don't...
know if it explains the situation here but eventually no amount of baseball acumen can compensate for the decline of physical skills.

by kenshin1 on May 18, 2007 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The problem is,
there aren't any techniques to get your bat speed back.

Like Jeff said, he would have to become an all or nothing guy if he wants to hit for power again.

by Happybelly on May 18, 2007 3:03 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You think the back spasms are a sign
of a correlative problem?

I'm only partially kidding.

by Gomez on May 18, 2007 3:01 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Assuming he's not injured...
Is there much historical precident for this precipitous of a power outage?  Especially at his age, and with his track record?

I'm also assuming that he didn't suddenly stop taking steroids/HGH.  

I'm not as much a Raul hater as most people around here though... I'll take his singles for now and hope for a return of the power.  

What I really don't understand is giving 5 ABs a game to Richie Sexson instead of Broussard.  Richie sucked out of the gate last year too, and he'll probably finish the season with decent numbers, but if he doesn't start hitting until June or July, then I say bench him until June or July!

by johnbai on May 18, 2007 3:03 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Well
If not for all those liners that found fielders, I'd agree.

I think Richie's K's are even down so far.

by Gomez on May 18, 2007 3:06 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah,
Just based on observation, it seems like in addition  to some problems at the plate, Richie has seen a fair amount of hardluck outs.

Hopefully the pendulum starts swinging back in the other direction soon.

by jtopps on May 18, 2007 3:43 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That liner that Aybar somehow caught
still pisses me off.  I don't care if we were down 7-3 and it probably wouldn't have mattered.  It WAS like one of those angels from Angels in the Outfield stopped it in midair and held it up there long enough for Aybar to catch it.  That was jacked up.

by Gomez on May 18, 2007 3:46 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

My Roto team thanks him,
Derrek Lee and Ryan Howard for their HR production this year.

by Gomez on May 18, 2007 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Miguel Tejada
is following the same path as Raul this year... 6 doubles 2 hrs on the season slugging under .400.

by MfaninAlaska on May 18, 2007 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Tejada's a weird one
but I don't think it's the same path - he's just hitting more groundballs than he ever has before in his career. His contact and patience numbers are the same as they've always been.

I'd be worried if I were an Orioles fan, though. Tejada's isolated power has dropped each year since 2004.

by Jeff on May 18, 2007 4:24 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

wasn't that
the same thing that happened with Cirillo when he became a Mariner... hit nothing but groundballs to the left side?  I've tried to block it out of my mind, but I thought that was one of the things we talked about back on the ESPN board in the day.

as a side note Jeff:  who was the guy on the ESPN board that came over all the time that was a Padre fan?  I was trying to think of his screen name when I read that diary the padres fan started.

by MfaninAlaska on May 18, 2007 4:33 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Actually
as a Mariner, Cirillo's GB/FB was just about even. He's become more of a groundballer since moving on. His problem was that he didn't have enough power.

And the Padres fan was FrozenLemonadeMan.

by Jeff on May 18, 2007 4:54 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Spring Training
Any ideas why Raul showed great power in spring training and seems to have lost it since?

by topher on May 18, 2007 4:02 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Not sure.
How did Quinton McCracken go deep three times in Spring '04? Unless Raul got hurt in late March/early April and never told anyone, it's probably just a mix of bad pitching, friendly ballparks, and a healthy dose of good luck.

by Jeff on May 18, 2007 4:19 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The one thing I've noticed
but don't have data to back it up is, pitchers seem to be pitching Raul away alot more then normal, even when he's in hitters counts, and he's taking the ball to left field much more frequently.

When you look at his hit chart on the MLB page for him.... most of his flyouts have been to left field (safeco field only).. only 3 have been really pulled fly balls.

In comparison to his 2006 flyball/homerun chart he's definitely not pulling the ball in the air at all.   So either his bat as slowed and he's behind everything, or as I mentioned above, he's hitting more pitches on the outer half and just going with the pitch instead of waiting for a pitch that comes inside or middle/in to drive.

http://seattle.mariners.mlb.com/stats/individual_player_hitting_chart.jsp?c_id=sea&playerID=1163 80&statType=1

by MfaninAlaska on May 18, 2007 4:04 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Coincidentally
I just dropped Raul from my fantasy team today.  I finally realised I'd rather have almost anyone (I found Granderson available).

by Llewdor on May 18, 2007 4:25 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Heh
I dropped him from my public H2H team way back in mid April.  But then again, it's a 12 team, OF-inspecific league and there were all sorts of productive OFs available.

by Gomez on May 18, 2007 4:36 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wow
nice pickup with Granderson.
I reject your reality and substitute my own!

by Phildopip on May 18, 2007 4:37 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Lost his bat speed huh?
Heavens, a guy goes from 30+ homers one year, then starts the next year off slow.

Lost his bat speed just like that, yeah. That must be it.

by nathaniel dawson on May 18, 2007 7:39 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

How about presenting some evidence of your
own, instead of just dismissing it out of hand.
Protect the enviroment, or I'll FUCKING KILL YOU! CAPTAAAAAIIIINNNN PLANNNNET! ~Ted Turner

by Goose on May 18, 2007 8:35 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't know why it happened, either.
But I don't see any better reasons.

by Jeff on May 18, 2007 9:07 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't really know if we can say too much about
Ibanez.  I'd be surprised to see somebody consistantly perform well for many years.  Have his best year ever (with the most power he's ever shown) and then just lose it all.  I have a feeling he'll come back and put up numbers that are closer to the numbers he put up in 2005.

I'm worried though.

by Edgar for Pres on May 18, 2007 11:10 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Hmmmm....
I seem to remember a way to measure bat speed. It had something to do with counting video frames or something like that.

But anyway, I wonder just how much bat speed one has to lose to see a precipitous drop in numbers like he has?

For the sake of the team I hope it's just a nagging injury. I remember hurting my back a few years back (minor injury) and it definitely changed how I swung a bat in softball.

Hello, 911? It's Quagmire. Yeah, it's caught in the window this time

by Ben in Va on May 20, 2007 5:36 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

So basically your telling me
That purchasing Werewolves of London as a cell phone ringer was a poor investment in terms of future use.

by Robert on May 18, 2007 11:30 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Geoff Baker
Has a blog post up suggesting batting Sexson 7th and Ibanez clean-up. My initial reaction was forehead slapping. But re-reading this post, maybe that's what Ibanez needs: to be counted on to drive in runs without the knowledge that if he strikes out, the guy behind him is getting out at a 74 percent clip. Perhaps that would get him to change his approach for the better?

by sammy on May 19, 2007 1:03 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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