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by Jeff on May 10, 2007 1:24 PM PDT in Regular News Comment 65 comments

At this point, there's just nothing to say. Jeff Weaver ~~might be~~ is the worst starting pitcher in franchise history, and he makes it more and more evident every time he steps foot on the mound. If this wasn't his last start in a Mariner uniform, then it's time to stop blaming the pitcher and start blaming the organization.

There's nothing fun about automatic losses, but look on the bright side - Felix should theoretically be back in time for this rotation spot's next go-round. This has to end sometime, right?

I'm going to a bar to watch hockey. Which means time for another positively invigorating You Write The Recap! Let us hear your various tales of woe!

Biggest Contribution: Ben Broussard, +4.6%
Biggest Suckfest: Jeff Weaver, -31.3%
Most Important At Bat: Beltre strikeout, -7.1%
Most Important Pitch: Ordonez homer, -14.8%
Total Contribution by Pitcher(s): -30.3%
Total Contribution by Position Players: -20.3%
Total Contribution by Opposition: +0.6%

(What is this?)

Yankees come to town tomorrow night, with Jarrod Washburn going up against Darrell Rasn-aw God dammit.

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IP H R ER HR BB SO

2.0 7 7 7 1 2 1 (BOS) ERA: 31.50
6.0 10 7 7 1 1 3 (MIN) ERA: 15.75
3.0 7 3 3 0 0 3 (LAA) ERA: 13.91
0.1 7 6 6 0 1 0 (KC) ERA: 18.27
5.2 9 6 6 0 3 3 (NYY) ERA: 15.35
5.0 10 6 6 2 2 0 (DET) ERA: 14.32

Jeff Weaver. So easy, a caveman can hit it.

by ThundaPC on May 10, 2007 1:28 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

14-2 Texas, 16-3 Oakland, 5-0 Angels.

Whoops.

by Jeff on May 10, 2007 1:34 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Oy

We blew ours yesterday.

by ThundaPC on May 10, 2007 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

God had to take a crap

and the Mariners are his toilet.

by Gomez on May 10, 2007 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Oakland has six homers today.

Giving them a season total of six.

by Jeff on May 10, 2007 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

And Snelling

left the game in the 3rd with a left knee contusion. It is only being called a "contusion" right now, but anytime you see "Snelling" and "knee" in the same semtemce it is scary.

by kva15 on May 10, 2007 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Heh, Zack Greinke just pitched the 8th inning

by Gomez on May 10, 2007 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Jack Cust has more HR than Vidro

in 25 fewer games played. And only 4 fewer walks.

We don't need to go over what each organization gave up to acquire them, respectively.

by patsfan on May 10, 2007 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Stubborn M's

What bothers me the most about the Weaver situation is that the Yankees had a similar, yet less severe situation with Igawa and they sent his ass down to the minors to go work it out. They're even more starved for pitching than the Mariners and yet, they were sick of watching the guaranteed losses.

Comparing the two:
W L G GS ERA IP
K Igawa 2 1 6 5 7.63 30.2
J Weaver 0 6 5 5 14.32 22.0

They were getting a lot more out of Igawa, had a lot more money invested in him and STILL didn't hesitate to demote him to the bullpen and then later send him down to try and fix whatever was not working.

The M's have a long history of keeping players in their roles despite poor performance. This year it is Weaver (and Ho for the most part too), last year it was Pineiro and Everett... It never stops.

by batura on May 10, 2007 1:40 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

The problem is this

Bavasi has hitched his wagon to both HoRam and Weaver. So you send Weaver to the bullpen and HoRam to the minors. Then what? Call up Jorge Campillo? Send Morrow to the rotation? Oh, wait, the guy is in our bullpen and hasn't pitched more than three innings in a game. Call up Jim Parque?

There just aren't any other viable options. One can go when Felix comes back, but there is no way to get rid of both, outside of a trade.

Hangin' With The Nuss

by Nuss on May 10, 2007 3:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

He won't send down HoRam

They'll give him another couple months to flounder before they even consider moving him to the pen, let alone demoting him, a la Pineiro.

by Gomez on May 10, 2007 4:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah but

Piniero actually strung together some good games early in the season
http://www.baseball-reference.com/pi/gl.cgi?n1=pineijo01&t=p&year=2006
After the first two games of may he was 4-2 with a sub-4 ERA and won player of the week or something...note I am not proficient and drumming up SABR stats which are probably more telling...

Ho has sucked pretty bad from the get go...

by appleshampoo on May 10, 2007 6:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

If only Bavasi and Grover knew that

by Gomez on May 10, 2007 6:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Boy way to twist your argument

Jim Parque is the last guy they would call up who isn't facing jail time. They'd go Woods, Leher, Feierabend, or even Rowland-Smith before Parque.

by Mariner John on May 10, 2007 9:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

How did Guillen manage a negative contribution

After going 3-4 was a 2B and a walk? Good things came too late to really matter? What brought him down?

by BrettJMiller on May 10, 2007 1:46 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

This happened to Robinson Cano last year

The hits just lacked context: they didn't drive in any runs or spark any rallies in close situations.

by Gomez on May 10, 2007 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

im guessing

it has to do with him not getting a run home in the 1st inning, 1st and 3rd with 1 out and he K'd. That was probably worth a pretty big negative WPA, his other hits probably just didn't make up for it.

by MFAN on May 10, 2007 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Isn't it time

the guy moves up to No. 3 in the order? He hitting the crap out of the ball right now, and Ibanez is striking fear in the hearts of no one.

(Except for maybe his own pitchers when flyballs end up in left ...)

Hangin' With The Nuss

by Nuss on May 10, 2007 3:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

His first inning out.

by Jeff on May 11, 2007 7:44 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'd rather have

All 9 members of Wu-Tang (including the deceased ODB) pitching in Weaver's spot.

Mariner Magic http://www.marinermagic.blogspot.com/

by BaltimoreMarinersFan on May 10, 2007 1:52 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

There's no way

That he gets another start.

His ERA is 14.32. Not after one bad start. Nor two. Not even three. Four? Five? SIX starts!?!?!?

The only thing missing is an orange goatee and an invitation to join Sandfrog. Yeah, I went there.

by oneiric232 on May 10, 2007 2:07 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

It was 15.75 after 5 starts

and somehow he got a sixth.

He's WAY below replacement level. Almost any random independent league guy would have been better than him, but somehow we picked him. Again.

Being confident we won't do it again invites disaster.

by Llewdor on May 10, 2007 2:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

What the hell?

Bot 4th: LA Angels
- J. Molina stole home, R. Willits stole second

Context?

by Garces on May 10, 2007 2:17 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Willits' grit got Molina home.

I reject your reality and substitute my own!

by Phildopip on May 10, 2007 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Probably...

The 1st and 3rd little league double steal play.

by Egaas on May 10, 2007 2:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I love using that play in video games

by Gomez on May 10, 2007 3:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

It's what I figured

But I thought it might have been more exciting. Molina doesn't seem like the steal home type.

by Garces on May 10, 2007 4:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Jeff Weaver MIGHT be the worst

starting pitcher in franchise history? MIGHT?

He's already the worst pitcher in frachise history (by ERA, min 10 IP), and he's well past that innings threshhold.

Do we honestly think that if he threw 50 innings he'd somehow come out looking better than Steve Trout?

by Llewdor on May 10, 2007 2:21 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Let him pitch drunk...

At least he would be entertaining....right now he just pisses me off. Weaver and dfa need to be in the same headline....followed by Hargrove seen sobbing uncontrollably as he was denied entry to the M's facilities.

I killed a 12 pack just to watch it die...

by Dollar97 on May 10, 2007 2:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

With context

Lest you get something like 'Felix DFA'd, Weaver Given Extension'

by Gomez on May 10, 2007 3:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

He's already punch-drunk

Not only has Seattle lost each of his starts, Weaver himself has lost them all. That's saying something when you average barely 3 innings a start.

On the positive side: he let in 6 runs in 5 innings tonight, but his ERA actually improved! It looks as if he's reversed the trend to go straight to Hell and wants a vacation in Boise along the way.

JPWood

by JPWood on May 10, 2007 3:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Hey, fuck you!

I'm from Boise, and it's a great city.

by appleshampoo on May 10, 2007 4:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

This reminds me

of the Richard Pryor movie Moving, where he tells the movers to move his stuff to his new home in Boise, ID and they're like 'Fuck that' and take his stuff to LA or something.

by Gomez on May 10, 2007 4:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I second that

Lived there for 6 years. It's a great manageably sized city with a lot to do. It's very pretty with a lot of varied activities. You can ski and play golf on the same day there. Not may places you can do that.

by I'm NOT Corco on May 10, 2007 9:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Hey!!!!!!!

I live in Boise and it is a great city! Send to Pocatello, the Walla Walla of Idaho.

I killed a 12 pack just to watch it die...

by Dollar97 on May 11, 2007 7:32 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Nah

Send 'em to Middleton, home of Middleton High School (er...before it burnt down) and a bunch of fucking bastards who petition down a league and then dominate. Fuck Middleton. Plus they use University of Michigan colors. Fuck Middleton.

by I'm NOT Corco on May 11, 2007 7:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Weaver

WPA for the season=-163.1%

by Fuckmikereilly on May 10, 2007 3:47 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Has Reefer Jaw been the biggest suckfest

all 6 starts?

by Llewdor on May 10, 2007 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I saved it

by Gomez on May 10, 2007 4:47 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Brilliant!

by BrettJMiller on May 10, 2007 4:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

O well.

I didn't need that sip of pop that just flew out my nose...

Hello, Richie? Stop sucking. kthxbye!

by PositivePaul on May 10, 2007 6:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Haha

420 friendly. Classic.

by phil333 on May 11, 2007 10:24 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Wu Tang Clan...

ain't nothin' to fuck with.

by SethGrandpa on May 10, 2007 4:52 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Senators Win

Im having a terrible day. But at least Jeff is happy!

Still not convinced they are the better team, though. Sabres played sloppy.

by Slica on May 10, 2007 6:46 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

You mean

Jeff is <strike>happy</strike> drunk!

by eponymous coward on May 10, 2007 6:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I can be both.

by Jeff on May 11, 2007 7:46 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Hmm Cupcakes

"Let's make a bargain. You ask God for help, and I'll stop the moment He shows up." Dorleac

by Mikhail on May 10, 2007 7:27 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

this about sums it up

by Mark on May 10, 2007 7:30 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Honesty time...

I think Jeff Weaver is perhaps the worst pitcher I have ever seen in person. I did not like it when the Angels signed him. I couldn't BELIEVE the Mariners signed him a year later. I was convinced he was going to tank and tank hard in Seattle from the moment the signing was announced... And even with all that, if you had told me that six starts in Weaver would have an ERA in double digits, I'd have asked what you were smoking. Pitchers in the MLB just aren't that bad. Anybody who gets promoted past high-A is capable of putting up an 8 ERA or so. I just wouldn't have believed a guy who's pitched in the majors for 8 seasons would have the gall to suck THIS much and not just retire. I can't remember ever seeing anybody get flattened the way Weaver has this many starts in a row. So my condolences, Mariner fans, and I honestly hope Jeff Weaver never starts another game in a Mariners uniform. He's become a joke, and to be honest, he's performing at such a consistently low level people shouldn't be paying ML prices to have to watch him.

*Visiting Angels fan* Never give up, never surrender!

by TheOptimist on May 10, 2007 7:52 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs