Lookout Landing: An SB Nation Community

Navigation: Jump to content areas:


Pro Quality. Fan Perspective.
Around SBN: Headlines: BC Beats BU 4-3 in 58th Beanpot Championship

25 Years, 25 M's

Thanks to this post on Viva El Birdos, and a disinclination to study for my poli sci exam, I decided to make the 25 year M's team.

The Rules:

I went through the last 25 years of Mets history - 1983 through 2006, inclusive -- and put together a team. A starter at each position. A backup catcher, middle infielder, and outfielder. An extra bat off the bench. A defensive replacement-type. Five starters, 1 closer, and five relievers.

Easy? Sure, except:

    * I took only one player per year.
    * Once I used a player, he couldn't be used again (e.g. only one Dwight Gooden)
    * The player really needed to have the position he's in -- so I couldn't put Todd Hundley as a backup catcher or use John Olerud off the bench.

I went with 9 starters, a 4 man bench (C, IF, OF, Util), 5 SP, and 7 RP (Lou would've wanted it that way).  The 25 years cover 1982-2006.  

Leading off for the 1982-2006 M's:

1.  RF  Ichiro!, 2004  .372/.414/.455 262 hits.  Best thing about an Mariners team that lost the most games of any M's since 1983 ridiculously.  Edgar deserved better than Rich Aurilia and Scot Spiezio.

Star-divide

Batting second...

2.  3B  Edgar Martinez,  1992  .343/.404/.544 Why is Edgar at 3B?  Because otherwise it's Mike Blowers or Jim Presley.  Edgar's first batting title.

Batting third...

3.  SS  Alex Rodriguez,  2000  .316/.420/.606 I've made my peace with the best player any of us will ever see.  This was his best season at SS (park adjusted), and best overall until 2005.

In the cleanup spot...

4.  CF  Ken Griffey Jr.,  1994  .323/.402/.674 Highest OPS of his career.  Junior was on pace for 136 R, 203 H, 35 2B, 6 3B, 58 HR, 130 RBI, 16 SB, 81 BB.  Stupid strike.

Batting 5-6-7...

  1.  2B  Bret Boone,  2001  .331/.372/.578
  2.  DH  Ken Phelps,  1986  .247/.406/.526
  3.  1B  Alvin Davis,  1989  .305/.424/.496

By OPS+, these are the best years by an M's player at each position (except for Edgar).  Boone, whose career line before 2001 was .255/.312/.413, gets to represent the magical M's.  (How he improved let's not go there.)  Phelps is a pop culture reference and the best non-Edgar DH.  1989 is Mr. Mariner's best season (by OPS+).

Batting eighth...

8.  C  Kenji Johjima,  2006  .291/.332/.451 I'm sorry I didn't get Dan Wilson in.  I never actually was that big a fan.  Joh's rookie year is the best hitting season for a catcher for this 25 year period.  Putting him in did cost me Putz's 2006, though.  (See poll below)

Batting ninth...

9.  LF  Phil Bradley,  1985  .300/.365/.498 For those who don't know, Phil Bradley is the M's leader in LF games played.  (Raul is 68 games behind him.)  He is the only Mariner to start in LF three consecutive seasons.  This was his only All-Star season.

Bench:


C  Dave Valle,  1987  .256/.292/.435
OF  Darren Bragg,  1996  .272/.376/.451
OF  Ken Griffey, Sr.,  1990  .377/.443/.519

Valle would hit 12 HR as a backup catcher.  Bragg would be traded mid-season for Jamie Moyer and never hit as well again.  The senior Griffey only had 77 AB for Seattle that season, but one of his three HR occur right before his son hit a home run.  The only time a father-and-son have gone back-to-back came off California Angels starter Kirk McCaskill on Sept. 14, 1990.  Field of Dreams came out the year before that.  No, I don't cry when I watch that movie.  Not at all.

Starting Rotation:

1.  LHP  Randy Johnson,  1997  20-4, 2.28 ERA, 213 IP, 77 BB, 291 K Lowest ERA in team history until Felix decides that's a record he'd like to have.  In the AL, 2nd in Wins, 2nd in ERA, 2nd in K's, 2nd in Cy Young voting, all to Roger Clemens.

2.  LHP  Jamie Moyer,  1998  15-9, 3.53 ERA, 234.3 IP, 42 BB, 158 K First of Moyer's five great seasons with the M's (1998-1999, 2001-2003).  1998 may have fewer wins than 2001 or 2003, but it's Moyer's Seattle bests in IP, Ks, K/BB, and shutouts and it's all done in the Kingdome.

 

3.  RHP  Freddy Garcia,  1999  17-8, 4.07 ERA, 201.3 IP, 90 BB, 170 K The Chief's second best year in Seattle (after his 18-6, 3.05 ERA 2001 campaign).  This year he finished second to Carlos Beltran in the Rookie of the Year voting.  Imagine how good he'd have been if he lived during Prohibition...err...never mind that thought.

 

4.  LHP  Mark Langston,  1988  15-11, 3.34 ERA, 261.3 IP, 110 BB, By ERA this is Langston's best year as Mariner.  You could take his 1987 campaign (19-13, 3.84 ERA) if you're picky and swap it with Valle's 1988 campaign.  Langston would go on to be traded to Montreal for Randy Johnson and would later lose the 1995 playoff game to...Randy Johnson.  

 

5.  LHP  Matt Young,  1983  11-15, 3.27 ERA, 203.7 IP, 79 BB, 130 K 24 year-old rookie pitcher was the best thing on the 60-102 Seattle Mariners.  ERA+ of 131 is 8th best in team history.  Young never had another All-Star season and only topped 200 IP two more times.  In 1987, he was involved with a trade for Jesse Orosco.  Orosco was 30 at the time.  Orosco would pitch 16 more years.  Young had just 6 years left.

 

Bullpen:


RHP  Rafael Soriano,  2003  3-0, 1.53 ERA, 53 IP, 12 BB, 68 K
LHP  Arthur Rhodes,  2002  10-4, 2.33 ERA, 69.7 IP, 13 BB, 81 K
RHP  Jeff Nelson,  1995  7-3, 2.17 ERA, 78.7 IP, 27 BB, 96 K
RHP  Mike Jackson,  1991  7-7, 3.25 ERA, 88.7 IP, 34 BB, 74 K
RHP  Edwin Nunez,  1984  2-2, 3.09 ERA, 67.7 IP, 21 BB, 57 K
LHP  Dennis Powell,  1993  0-0, 4.15 ERA, 47.7 IP, 24 BB, 32 K If you're wondering why Dennis Powell is on this list, see below.  

UPDATE: Original list left off Mike Jackson 1991 and Edwin Nunez 1984. My bad.

Closer:

RHP  Bill Caudill,  1982  12-9, 26 SV, 2.35 ERA, 95.7 IP, 35 BB, 111 K

Only two relief pitchers in Mariners history have struck out 100 batters, Caudill in 1982 and Putz in 2006.  After a disappointing 1983 (4.71 ERA, but 73 K/35BB in 72.7 IP), he was trade to Oakland for Dave Beard and Bob Kearney.  Beard had an ERA of 5.80 in his one year in relief for the M's.  Kearney caught 346 games for Seattle over the next four years hitting .231/.265/.348, good for an OPS+ of 67.  Caudill would make an All-Star game with Oakland.  Bill Bavasi, Billy Beane would like a word with you.

Alternative lineups:
Originally I had Goose Gossage, 1994 as one of the relievers just so you could tell everyone that the M's have had two deserving Hall-of-Famers be denied Cooperstown in case Edgar doesn't make it.  This used Griffey's 1993 season, which has the highest OPS+ of any Mariner.  Since OPS+ uses only seasonal park factors, and the park didn't change, I assume it's just a fluke.  (Griffey 1993:  172 OPS+, Griffey 1994:  170 OPS+).

You may have noticed that there are only 24 players listed.  The 25th Man needs no introduction:

IF  Willie Bloomquist,  2005  .257/.283/.330 This team was built for WFB.

Go Mariners!

Poll
Most Egregious Omission?
Norm Charlton
3 votes
Joey Cora
0 votes
Randy Johnson, 1995 or 1996
6 votes
Any other Griffey year
4 votes
J.J. Putz, 2006
12 votes
Jay Buhner
23 votes
Dan Wilson
0 votes

48 votes | Poll has closed

0 recs  |  Comment 33 comments

Story-email Email Printer Print

Comments

Display:

Things I learned
  1.  Goose Gossage finished his career with the M's.  At the age of 42, he was still good for an ERA+ of 117 in 1994.  
  2.  Before Johjima, the M's had not had a catcher hit league average (OPS+ = 100) since Bob Stinson who did it in 1977 and 1978.
  3.  Don't do stuff like this on a weeknight.

by Trev on Apr 24, 2007 3:59 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Don't feel bad, I didn't know Gossage pitched
for the M's till last year. One of the games I went too, I wore my Mariners shirt, which says Goose on the back. It also has the number 6, because that is the number I've had through pretty much my entire baseball career(except for 1 year in little league when I was #7). I had a few people tell me I had Gossage's number wrong, and I was confused because I had no idea he was a Mariner.
No sir, I don't like it. ~Mr.Horse

by Goose on Apr 24, 2007 4:31 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Read his autobiography.
It's one of the funniest baseball books ever written.  Seriously.  Dude should be in the hall of fame already, goddamnit.
Marinerds - a different daily dose of baseblog.

by Deanna on Apr 24, 2007 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's on my list, is it any good?
Since I just finished Cheater's Guide, I may read that next.
"Dammit monster, I ain't givin you no treefiddy!"

by Thingray on Apr 24, 2007 4:57 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah it is only 23...
counted it 3 times to be sure.

by basebliman on Apr 24, 2007 9:35 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Late nights...
...forgot Mike Jackson 1991, and Edwin Nunez 1984.

by Trev on Apr 24, 2007 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

This list is sweet
However, why not just use boone's 2003 which is almost as good, and get a better 2001 like Garcia's, which was almost cy young.  I guess it just depends on the tradeoff from Garcia's 4era to 3.05 and 18-6 (though you could put in moyer at 20-6 and 3.43) and boone's downgrade in BA from 331 to 294.
Ha, nevermind, I didn't even see Moyer til just now.
Also, sad to see that Phelps is our best option at DH besides Edgar.  The OBP is good, and slugging is acceptable, but average is horrendous.  I wonder if a 3b would be better than that. Spiezio anyone?
Anyways, looks like a fun project.  I'm curious though why was this on viva el birdos (for mets palyers)?  Isn't that a Cards site?
http://seattlesportsmaniac.blogspot.com

by LantermanC on Apr 24, 2007 5:27 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

A,lso for closer
wouldn't mind Kaz Sasaki's 2002.  Not his greatest year, but a year you didn't use.  I'm probably just partial to this because I know who he is and i've never heard of Bill Caudill
http://seattlesportsmaniac.blogspot.com

by LantermanC on Apr 24, 2007 5:35 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Very cool
Didn't Erik Hanson have a pretty filthy year in like 1990? How does that compare to Young's 1983?

I know Dan Wilson isn't very popular on this site, but any all-time M's team has to have him at catcher. Even if the numbers don't agree. Does defense count in this at all?

Mariner Magic http://www.marinermagic.blogspot.com/

by BaltimoreMarinersFan on Apr 24, 2007 6:22 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm inclined to agree
From what I hear of Wilson's defense, his best year with the stick would make him a more valuable catcher than Joh.

I never saw him in his prime, though, so this is just going with secondhand information.

by Graham on Apr 24, 2007 6:23 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Although...
Only being able to use one player per year makes it tough. Wilson's best years were in the mid-90s.
Mariner Magic http://www.marinermagic.blogspot.com/

by BaltimoreMarinersFan on Apr 24, 2007 6:27 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah but...
If you use 1995 all you sacrifice is one year of Jeff Nelson.  He's good, but swapping him for Putz, I'd make that move.

Isn't that the year Wilson hit that grand slam?

by darrylzero on Apr 24, 2007 9:26 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That was 1998
I remember it being one of the first times that I followed the M's
The poster formerly known as KnightofKingK

by Robert on Apr 24, 2007 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Erik Hanson
was money in 1990. I think 18-6, with an ERA in the low 3s. I'd probably sub that in for Young, and sacrifice the older (and lesser) Griffey.
I'm trying, I'm trying to Drink away the part of the day That I cannot sleep away

by Hoft on Apr 24, 2007 7:13 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Hmm
Don't know how I missed Hanson.  I'd swap Hanson 1990 for Griffey Sr. 1990 and Young 1983 for reserve OF Ron Roenicke 1983.

by Trev on Apr 24, 2007 1:10 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Here is my suggestions
Switch Edgar (1995). (.356/.479/.628)
Switch Darren Bragg (1996) with Jay Buhner (1996).
Replace Garcia (1999) with Fleming (1992).
Replace Powell (1993) with Charleton (1993).
The only problem is that I need a reliever from 1999.  Maybe Paniagua (1999).

by Edgar for Pres on Apr 24, 2007 8:06 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Oh yeah
Bosio for his no hitter should be on there plus he was really fat.

by Edgar for Pres on Apr 24, 2007 8:06 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

My $0.02

C- Kenji Johjima '06: Far and away the best season by a Mariner catcher, even with the shaky defense.

1B- Alvin Davis '89:

2B- Bret Boone '01: I could have gone a couple ways with this. I could have used Boone's 2003 (which was nearly as good) and taken Freddy Garcia from the 2001 team, but that would have prevented me from using Moyer's 2003. It was a tough choice.

3B- Jim Presley '85: I damn near took Edgar, but... no. Presley was perfectly acceptable, but they let him stay three whole seasons (!)after he'd worn out his welcome.

SS- Alex Rodriguez '96: Duh.

LF- Phil Bradley '86: Jay Buhner really gets the shaft on this team, doesn't he?

CF- Junior '93: Far and away Junior's best complete season. It's amazing to me that he peaked at the age of 23.

RF- Ichiro '04

DH- Edgar '95

So the lineup goes:

Ichiro '04: .372/.414/.455
A- Rod '96: .358/.414/.631
Junior '93: .309/.408/.617
Edgar '95: .356/.479/.628
Boone '01: .331/.372/.578
A.D. '89: .305/.424/.496
Bradley '86: .310/.405/.445
Johjima '06: .291/.332/.451
Presley '85: .275/.324/.484

Bench:
Tom Lampkin '99, C: .291/.345/.495 (21 XHB!)
Mark McLemore '02 IF: .270/.380/.395
D. Ramos '83 IF: .283/.326/.362
Henry Cotto '91 OF: .305/.357/.463
Mickey Brntley '87 OF: .302/.344/.499

Rotation:

Randy Johnson '97: 20-4 2.28, 291K

Randy's best season? I don't think so, but it's so hard to choose.

Moyer '03: 21-7, 3.27
Hanson '90: 18-9, 3.24
Langston '84: 17-10, 3.40, 204K
Fleming '92: 17-10, 3.39

Bullpen:

Swift '90: 6-4, 2.39
Guardado '05: 2.72 ERA, 36 SV

Well, I had to take someone from that team. It was either him or Mike Morse. Not the best season by a Mariner closer by a long shot

Bobby Ayala '94: 2.78 ERA 18 SV, 76 in 56IP

I had to take someone from that team; plus, I hate everyone.

Mike Jackson '88 2.63 ERA 99 IP
Ed Vande Berg '82 2.37 ERA
Mike Timlin '98 2.95 ERA 19 SV

Obviously, you're not a golfer.

by JI on Apr 24, 2007 8:26 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Junior
I don't know if 1993 was "far and away" Griffey's best season. His 1997 was massive, and '96 was right up there too, right?
I'm trying, I'm trying to Drink away the part of the day That I cannot sleep away

by Hoft on Apr 24, 2007 8:54 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sure
as far as counting numbers go. But he had a better (career high?) OBP, and 1993 was a much more difficult year to hit in.
Obviously, you're not a golfer.

by JI on Apr 24, 2007 2:41 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Buhner
For this exercise, he's hurt by being a right-fielder and getting overshadowed by Ichiro. My gut-feeling is that he and Wilson should be on this team, if on the bench (if that's allowed by the rules).

by vj on Apr 24, 2007 9:05 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good call on Vandeberg
One of the great LOOGY seasons ever, and gives the bullpen some great depth.

by marc w on Apr 24, 2007 9:16 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ayala
was ok in 1994. He had a really good K rate.

by bluemax on Apr 24, 2007 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

One good season...
...does not erase a lifetime of nightmares.  I don't care if he's in a wheelchair and I'm on a date with Jessica Alba, I'd still curbstomb that bum the second I saw him.

by Trev on Apr 24, 2007 2:26 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fuck!
I think I forgot someone from 2000.

In that case add Carlos Guillen as the utility infielder.

Obviously, you're not a golfer.

by JI on Apr 24, 2007 2:43 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The big question
What about Felix '07?  I know we're all still a little nervous, but suppose there was money riding on this somehow...

Build the best rotation you can without using the '07 season.  Then you have the chance to swap out one performance in the past for one performance this year.  If the swap makes the team better, you win some money.  If it doesn't, you lose some money.

Do you take Felix's 2007, despite the question marks?  I say yes.

Also, I'd take Wilson's 1996 and Putz' 2006 and find another bench bat for Bragg.  I think especially with a team this powerful, I'd go for defense at catcher.  And there may be no real evidence he actually calls a better game, and being a good clubhouse guy might be overrated, but I think a little extra glue couldn't really hurt and pitchers always seemed to really like working with him.  That's a bit sentimental, but I think it's worth it.

by darrylzero on Apr 24, 2007 9:38 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Um...
Let's try something different.

IMO Beltre::Presley or Blowers as Johjima::Wilson. Clearly the superior player.

Also, Edgar could have been the MVP in 2005: he clearly outplayed Mo Vaughn. So his season HAS to get squeezed in. We can do this by taking Beltre's 2006, which means we also take Edgar's 1995 at DH. I'll take superior defense at 3B and a monster DH year over Ken Phelps and Joh.

RF  Ichiro!, 2004  .372/.414/.455
3B  Adrian Beltre, 2006 .268/.328/.465

(hey, hitting second seems to work here...)

SS  Alex Rodriguez,  2000  .316/.420/.606
CF  Ken Griffey Jr.,  1994  .323/.402/.674
DH  Edgar Martinez, 1995 .356/.479/.628
2B  Bret Boone,  2001  .331/.372/.578
1B  Alvin Davis,  1989  .305/.424/.496

(I almost really wish I could get Olerud on the team, but while Ole's the better player, Davis is the better Mariner.)

C   Dan Wilson, 1996, .285/.330/.444
LF  Phil Bradley,  1986  .310/.405/.445

Bradley gets his 1986 instead of 1995 so I can put in a decent season for Phelps from the bench in 1985...

Bench:
C  Dave Valle,  1987  .256/.292/.435
1B/DH Ken Phelps, 1985 .207/.343/.466

(The average sucks but the OPS+ is good...especially for from the bench in the mid-80's).

IF  Willie Bloomquist,  2005  .257/.283/.330
OF  Ken Griffey, Sr.,  1990  .377/.443/.519

Rotation:
LHP  Randy Johnson,  1997  20-4, 2.28 ERA, 213 IP, 77 BB, 291 K
LHP  Mark Langston,  1988  15-11, 3.34 ERA, 261.3 IP, 110 BB,
RHP  Freddy Garcia,  1999  17-8, 4.07 ERA, 201.3 IP, 90 BB, 170 K
LHP  Jamie Moyer,  1998  15-9, 3.53 ERA, 234.3 IP, 42 BB, 158 K
LHP Dave Fleming, 1992  17-10, 3.39, 228.3  IP, 60 BB  112 K

Bullpen:
RHP  Rafael Soriano,  2003  3-0, 1.53 ERA, 53 IP, 12 BB, 68 K
LHP  Arthur Rhodes,  2002  10-4, 2.33 ERA, 69.7 IP, 13 BB, 81 K
RHP  Jeff Nelson,  1995  7-3, 2.17 ERA, 78.7 IP, 27 BB, 96 K
RHP Bill Swift, 1991 1-2, 19 SV, 1.99 ERA, 90.3 IP, 26 BB, 48 K
RHP  Bill Caudill,  1982  12-9, 26 SV, 2.35 ERA, 95.7 IP, 35 BB, 111 K
RHP Edwin Nunez, 1984, 2-2, 7 SV, 3.19 ERA, 67.7 IP, 57 K
LHP Norm! Charlton, 1993, 1-3, 18 SV, 2.34 ERA, 34.7 IP, 17 BB, 48 K

(OK, Norm got injured this year- but I got him on the team...instead of Dennis freakin' Powell. This gives me two lefties, too.)

I wish I could have gotten Buhner on the team... but oh well. I'm pretty happy to have squeezed some M's with some history onto the team (Wilson, Swift, Charlton). Oh, and the riches we have in RF (where Buhner got hosed) are countered by the rotten history at 3B (where good years = one by Blowers, a couple by Presley, and Beltre).

by eponymous coward on Apr 24, 2007 10:53 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Aw, crap
Error in the bullpen- Nelson's not supposed to be there. Should read like:

RHP  Rafael Soriano,  2003  3-0, 1.53 ERA, 53 IP, 12 BB, 68 K
LHP  Arthur Rhodes,  2002  10-4, 2.33 ERA, 69.7 IP, 13 BB, 81 K
RHP Bill Swift, 1991 1-2, 19 SV, 1.99 ERA, 90.3 IP, 26 BB, 48 K
RHP  Bill Caudill,  1982  12-9, 26 SV, 2.35 ERA, 95.7 IP, 35 BB, 111 K
RHP Edwin Nunez, 1984, 2-2, 7 SV, 3.19 ERA, 67.7 IP, 57 K
LHP Norm! Charlton, 1993, 1-3, 18 SV, 2.34 ERA, 34.7 IP, 17 BB, 48 K
LHP Ed Vande Berg, 1983, 2-4, 5 SV, 3.36 ERA, 64.3 IP, 22 BB, 49 K

This DOES balance my 'pen out a bit more, though. Hate giving up Nellie, but I like having some 80's players represent.

by eponymous coward on Apr 24, 2007 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

My bench
is so much stronger. But your pen whoops my pen's ass.
Obviously, you're not a golfer.

by JI on Apr 24, 2007 2:45 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is pretty hard
mostly because the mariners have sucked alot.  Sure they've had a few good seasons but you look at the teams in the late 80s and last few years and you want to cry.

by Edgar for Pres on Apr 24, 2007 3:07 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Nice job!
Good work putting this together.  A few months ago I produced a list of the top 100 Mariners of all-time...believe me after about 25-30 it got really difficult!  My list tended to reward "career" numbers over one-season greatness.

Anyways, here's the link:

http://www.lookoutlanding.com/story/2006/12/22/153034/79

by TheOtherJeff on Apr 24, 2007 7:59 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Comments For This Post Are Closed


User Tools

By reading a game thread of your own volition you agree to accept all liability for any and all damage done to your delicate sensibilities.
Start posting about the Mariners »

Join SB Nation and dive into communities focused on all your favorite teams.

FanPosts

Community blog posts and discussion.

Recommended FanPosts

Sth70021_small
The Luckiest Pitchers of 2009
Small
A different way of looking at the offseason - Impact on Playoff Hopes
Small
My Favorite Player: Rob Johnson
Clement_small
The Effect of Chemistry in MLB and the Yuniesky Betancourt Exception

Recent FanPosts

Small
Blasphemy?
Small
Cliff Lee had surgery on left foot
Clemente_small
OT cooking thoughts, and oh yeah, there's that football game, Feb 7
39135485-59af19dbb26654095f910f34176af094_4ae8a81e-scaled_small
Predictions Group
Small
A Case For Felipe Lopez
Small
First Thursday in February (and Superbowl!) OT
12839274_l_small
Optimism thread... Give your thoughts about what you predict in '10

+ New FanPost All FanPosts >


Sexy People

Hms_surprise_small Graham

Small Matthew

Wbc_029_small Jeff Sullivan